Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[SirCakez]

Protecting her? wtf?

[SirCakez]

moon logic
If Narna was able to be lynched I'd be the first one on the wagon and you know it

[SirCakez]

He claimed multishot daily governor
That would be ridiculously broken as scum

[SirCakez]

Because what he claimed is provable?

[SirCakez]

wow and scum Shiro is going to get away too

[SirCakez]

And who is that?

[SirCakez]

Look at the vote count, Cakez.

Not seeing it?

In post 4735, Almost50 wrote:
Right now I'm taking a great interest in sorting out Cakez. I've never been good at reading him, but I'm not going to give up until I do get a solid read. Right now he's a strong scum lean. Creature is right above him, and Narna is my 3rd scum read, but he is off the list for today.


I'm interested in your reasoning for this

As Firebringer would put it: "Reasoning is for scumz". Sriously though; you're SIRCAKEZ. I'd lynch you for lols and giggles.

[SirCakez]

Shiro, are you gonna give your results or not? People have asked.

My cake results? Only if cake says it is OK

no pls

[SirCakez]

this is painful

[SirCakez]

We aren't going to get Shiro votes anyway because scum are happy with this 1v1

[SirCakez]

I already said why I'm not voting Leon
Why is Shiro obviously town?

[SirCakez]

Your opinion on leon is pointless, we know you're scum

[SirCakez]

I already said why I'm not voting Leon
Why is Shiro obviously town?

His defense of you that is not a white knight is pretty town.

Do you really buy there are like 6 investigatives? I don't.

Your opinion on leon is pointless, we know you're scum

What do you do once I flip town? We are in agreement on Leon and it seemed like you were scumleaning on Titus a few pages back. You're probably town, but this tunnel is devoid of reasoning. It's just an assumption based on wagon composition with zero scumflips.

If you flipped town my reads would be basically the same tbh, except Leon would be even more likely town

[SirCakez]

@SirCakez, I think Narna's fake.

I do not practically count as an investigative, and I knew it the minute McMemno claimed. A lot of the investigative are nerfed like that. The others are leashable.

For instance, we can force Shiro to target Leon because his role is the source of a lot of debate and Narna (although probably scum) we can force them to check Shiro. That way when Narna gets lynched tomorrow we either get an almost rock solid result or they have to make associative tells that help solve the divide.

Obviously Narna is being fake
I wasn't referring to you as an Investigative, I was referring to Shiro

Do you really buy there are like 6 investigatives? I don't.

I mean.i could prove my case Mr. You were it's target

Scum rolecop is a thing so it wouldn't "prove" you

[SirCakez]

Actually I could see Almost scum
I can't remember any of his posting from days previous which is a bad sign (town Almost is usually pretty outspoken)

[SirCakez]

He replaced in almost two weeks ago tho

[SirCakez]

town Almost is usually pretty outspoken

I've been telling you FACTS ever since I replaced in, but you're just not reading, which is a great portion of why I'm scum reading you. Both Nahdia & Chara have been paying attention, and that earned them town points.

P.S. My "town points" are granted to those who know me well and have played more than one game before. I do not expect those who never played with me (or played me maybe once) to understand so they neither earn town points nor scum points for failing to understand my OBVIOUS messages.

you aren't sharing anything of substance tho from what I can remember
You're vomiting out cruddy reads but not explaining any of them

Always down to wagon Shiro fyi

[SirCakez]

I thought I had moved my vote to Titus gg

[SirCakez]

Giovanni lynch is not on the table with his weak claim
Still waiting for your townblock reveal Titus lol

[SirCakez]

Back when it was starting to look like either you or Titus was being lynched

[SirCakez]

Shiro's miller claim means jackshit

[SirCakez]

O, I was blocked night 1, I have resuls on night 2 that I won't share unless caky is ok with.

He's voting you. That should be permission enough.

What is this shitty fishing lol

[SirCakez]

Results make things clearer. Shady is for scum.

Wtf does this mean?

Creature would be a lame compromise lynch, only a last resort for me

[SirCakez]

Results make things clearer. Shady is for scum.

Wtf does this mean?

Creature would be a lame compromise lynch, only a last resort for me

If you think I am pushing a Creature lynch here, you are completely missing my point.

The creature thing wasn't aimed at you

I'm going balls to the walls
VOTE: Titus

[SirCakez]

Results make things clearer. Shady is for scum.

Wtf does this mean?

Creature would be a lame compromise lynch, only a last resort for me

If you think I am pushing a Creature lynch here, you are completely missing my point.

The creature thing wasn't aimed at you

I'm going balls to the walls
VOTE: Titus

Titus is still scum

VOTE: Titus

You're both still scum and I'm not lynching Titus.

You've had this scumread on me for a while and you've never said why so I'll ask.
Why?

[SirCakez]

Also I've lost all my desire to lynch creature now

[SirCakez]

i'm so sick of compromise lynches

[SirCakez]

Shiro or Titus

[SirCakez]

I WONDER WHY ITS SO HARD TO WAGON TITUS AND SHIRO
SEEMS SUSPICIOUS

[SirCakez]

idgaf anymore
I'll lynch Leon if we have to

[SirCakez]

TBH I just want to lynch him for fucking the town when we had finally got a consensus on narna

[SirCakez]

What I don't like about this Leon/Narna is that nobody actually seems interested in testing if it's TvT, TvS, SvT or SvS. If one of them flips town, they'll most likely lynch the other, and if the other flips town, then they're probably going for another lynchbait.

They're both scumbutts tho

I WONDER WHY ITS SO HARD TO WAGON TITUS AND SHIRO
SEEMS SUSPICIOUS

Not Chara too.
Ive been trying since D1

Not chara has actually gotten more then 3 votes at some points tho

[SirCakez]

Yeah but its not dead

The only innocents are bodies.

It's town tho

Cakez also expressed interest in a50 without voting them, but I'm townreading that slot more than the other two at the moment.

A50 is not someone I would wagon until my other scumreads are dead

VOTE: Leonshade
Justice4thetown

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Not Chara

VOTE: Not Chara

Look at the scum trying to start a counterwagon

has it really been three days? oh dear.

i don't want to lynch Leonshade, i also don't want to lynch Creature. but i do want to lynch Narna, curiously enough.
obviously, he isn't to be lynched.

who's left? is it just me? i feel like Creature is the only option, but he's giving me second thoughts.
i'd rather Shiro, but we're running out of time, and i've been gone for a while. longer than i meant to be.

Cakes
You can't seriously think this is tow

Why would NC scum be a counter to Leon scum?

[SirCakez]

but now that i think of it. Almost, Cakez

did

call you scum recently, it's in his ISO.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. This was his last reference to me though:

A50 is not someone I would wagon until my other scumreads are dead

Narna seems to grasp at straws in his push on me he's getting desperate. IF YOU WANT ME DEAD: SHOOT ME, SCUM.

You still haven't said why you're scumreading me lol
All of your posts are fake as hell

[SirCakez]

VOTE: narna
Diediedie

I'm not surprised by the Leon flip TBH, but I don't regret PLing him

[SirCakez]

Scum pool aside from Narna is (shiro, Titus, a50, massive)

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Shiro

I want to see what happens here.

WHY ARENT YOU VOTING NARNA

This miller is a killer.

vote: shiro

Checking a miller SeemsGood

Night 9 coroner at least has some use if night 9 comes, big use at that.

Scum gunsmith is trash. What ? To catch apparently none existing vigs? Do you see kills flying around here that I missed?

I say we lynch almost

Vote:Almost

I didn't trust Gamma from all the way to day 1.

WHY ARENT YOU VOTING NARNA

[SirCakez]

VOTE: shiro

WHY ARENT YOU VOTING NARNA

[SirCakez]

They're both probably scum but I am completely done with Narna slipping out of being lynched

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Almost 50

WHY ARENT YOU VOTING NARNA

Titus, i don't understand you voting Shiro here. i don't see you suddenly trusting Narna's results like this.

It's not trusting Narna but pragmatic really.

If shiro is town, Narna gets autolynched.
If shiro is scum, narna probably bussed.

Narna making up a guilty doesn't do much.

I am willing to lynch either, but it's not like I am trusting Natna but rather attempting to force moves.

This is idiotic
Narna knew he would be autolynched coming today, obviously he'd claim a guilty somewhere else
And checking a miller is asinine play that I can't see as town

[SirCakez]

I wanted to murder shiro for all of yesterday what the fuck are you on
Narna is probably bussing but if he gets away AGAIN he'll never die
He's dodged the lynch three fucking days in a row now and I'm so done with it

[SirCakez]

you guys got me tilted thanks

[SirCakez]

Massive is definitely scum
The way he just came on here and was like "lol cakez doesn't want to lynch shiro" is total bullshit and misrep

[SirCakez]

Not to mention opportunistic as hell

[SirCakez]

Because they're both scum
They probably agreed to bus shiro coming into today so that Narna could get towncred and keep dodging lynches

[SirCakez]

Easy to "push" on Shiro yesterday when there was no chance of lynch. And then easy slide to Leon with "but I think he's town." Why not pick back up Shiro today when Titus and Narna are already willing to run that train?

There was a wagon on Shiro for most of yesterday
Because after Shiro gets lynched and flips scum, Narna will never get lynched

Because they're both scum
They probably agreed to bus shiro coming into today so that Narna could get towncred and keep dodging lynches

Put your Titus hat on, you are talking as crazy as her.

Nope

[SirCakez]

This town is hopeless. Not ONLY do we keep lynching TOWN players, but we also do it for reasons that are utter nonsense.

Narna is Town. They didn't know they would be governed, so their reaction after the hammer makes them TOWN.

it's called twilight trolling

[SirCakez]

Happy Thanksgiving!
Give thanks to those who have fallen by helping us lynch one of those who murdered them.

[SirCakez]

This game is so jumbled and confusing. I'm just gonna work off the Leon wagon.

VOTE: Firebringer

VOTE: Not Chara

Almost is town.
VOTE: Maxous

[SirCakez]

Leon lynch was somewhat like "let's lynch leon no matter what. i know he'll flip town but i'll pretend i'm confident he's scum"

This was my attitude
Titus would definitely be my top pick for scum if Narna somehow flips town

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Titus
lynch Narna all you like. i won't be part of it.

Why not?

@A50 why don't you want to lynch Narna?

[SirCakez]

massive has been prodded.

SnarkySnowman has required too many prods and is being replaced.

hallelujah

[SirCakez]

Hi BYF
FYI I will vote Titus if I have to, I just really want Narna gone

[SirCakez]

So guaranteed scum in Shiro/Narna at the least, cool

[SirCakez]

Too many investigative claims

[SirCakez]

Narna bussing shiro would make sense here

[SirCakez]

Why isn't narna dead yet???

[SirCakez]

Shiro and Narna are both scum yes
We established this pages ago

[SirCakez]

BYF vote narna

[SirCakez]

sigh

[SirCakez]

Un fucking believable
VOTE: narna
VOTE: narna
VOTE: narna
VOTE: narna
VOTE: narna

[SirCakez]

I'm going to verbally murder every single town who fought against lynching Narna constantly postgame

[SirCakez]

Yeah it looks like I was wrong about NC q.q

[SirCakez]

So nahdia is scum?
If she is I'm going to kms

[SirCakez]

Creature can be next.
no idea why Titus's townflip means i'm scum, according to SirCakez.

because of your battle with Titus
Also A50 is next, not creature

[SirCakez]

Godfather, bus driver, who knows
Narna is guaranteed to have lied about his role sooo

[SirCakez]

I think there is a strong possibility the whole game is town and Skull is pulling a troll game

[SirCakez]

whats the point of running an all town game though
idgi

Trolling
It's happened before

Creature can be next.
no idea why Titus's townflip means i'm scum, according to SirCakez.

because of your battle with Titus
Also A50 is next, not creature

you agreed with me to a point that Titus was acting scummy, but as soon as she flips town that's invalidated? i don't believe you.
and Almost is town.

I might reconsider, you aren't top of my lynch list anyway
Almost is definitely not town with his shiro lolhammer

[SirCakez]

I kinda want to vote for a draw

[SirCakez]

Nahdia tf?

[SirCakez]

Also I was roleblocked last night

[SirCakez]

Actually it's highly likely there's a bus driver if Narna does end up town somehow

[SirCakez]

why are so many people down to vote an inno

Because Narna literally lied about their role?

[SirCakez]

DEATH TO NARNA
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[SirCakez]

I thought about voting to draw/abandon the game. The mod will probably request all the players to vote for that. Scum won't want to draw because they're close to winning, so they won't vote. Pretty simple, we'll see who's refusing to vote for a draw and we'll lynch them (note that scum will probably only have one of them to refuse to vote per day).

This is what I want

VOTE: draw

[SirCakez]

VOTE: narna
He still has yet to offer an explanation for how his "guilty" worked considering shiro was town
And that overrules a weak clear imo

[SirCakez]

That's actually a good point

@sir cakez:

who did you target night 4?

The Andrius slot

SirCakez

is SCUM. At one point he was fabricating evidence on Pepto/Narna. I wasn't even town-reading Narna at that time, but the push was very much forced with circumstantial evidence. (Don't ask for explanations. ISO Cakez instead, please).

The fuck?
What evidence?

Sircakez: Were you added to the neighborhood on night 4?

No

I am not unvoting narna until I get an explanation on how his "guilty" was town

[SirCakez]

I am not unvoting narna until I get an explanation on how his "guilty" was town

Shiro must've had a public dayvig that they forgot about from d2.

WTF? Where would that have come from?

I would be fine swinging Max but Narna still has yet to offer up an explanation. It's absurd.

[SirCakez]

For the question of "oh boo hoo why would scum Gio try to save his buddy???"
because this town is gullible as shit (as seen with the Shiro "guilty" yesterday)

and it looks like it's working

[SirCakez]

For the question of "oh boo hoo why would scum Gio try to save his buddy???"
because this town is gullible as shit (as seen with the Shiro "guilty" yesterday)

and it looks like it's working

Clarify do you mean you think Town is gullible on Narna scum or town?

Town is being gullible by thinking narna is town despite the fake guilty

[SirCakez]

For the question of "oh boo hoo why would scum Gio try to save his buddy???"
because this town is gullible as shit (as seen with the Shiro "guilty" yesterday)

and it looks like it's working

Clarify do you mean you think Town is gullible on Narna scum or town?

Town is being gullible by thinking narna is town despite the fake guilty

Yes there is a fake guilty but I don't see why Narna would do it. Fake guilties are done differently.

Again, because the town is gullible as shit
See: leon governing him day 3

[SirCakez]

I am not unvoting narna until I get an explanation on how his "guilty" was town

Shiro must've had a public dayvig that they forgot about from d2.

WTF? Where would that have come from?

I would be fine swinging Max but Narna still has yet to offer up an explanation. It's absurd.

This was in reference to Fire's "dayvig" from just before the replacening.

Uh what?

If we were going without role interactions SirCakez would be a good bet for scum.

You have yet to explain this read

The reason I lean Gio's the liar too is because he voted his innocent read. That should never happen.

This is a good point though, and another reason why I think Gio and Narna are buddies

Good night all may we lynch scums.

Oh, yes we can.

VOTE: Mathblade

Testing waters for 48 hours now trying to find a weak link to mislynch and not casting your own vote on any = SCUM!Blade.

You're clearly "trying" to look like you're solving the game, but all you've done was casting doubt on half of the players list and NOT COMMITTING YOURSELF to ANY of them.

Meanwhile this vote is out of nowhere and likely from flailing scum

[SirCakez]

It is because some of your sentence and structure is similar to other games like Dragon Age for example.

<.<

It might be better to lynch Giovanni
If he's scum we lynch Narna, if he's town Narna is conftown
If we lynch Narna and he flips town, then we have no idea what Giovanni is

[SirCakez]

It is because some of your sentence and structure is similar to other games like Dragon Age for example.

<.<

It might be better to lynch Giovanni
If he's scum we lynch Narna, if he's town Narna is conftown
If we lynch Narna and he flips town, then we have no idea what Giovanni is

I also agree with this logic. If I am scum, then you got your first red result. If I am town, then my claims are validated and you have more to work with.


@Mathblade, we are not in LyLo. Assuming 5 scum, we are 5/9 split right now. Assuming scum isn't lynched today, town will be 5/7 tomorrow (barring nightvigs or blocks or whatever), which is LyLo under normal circumstances. if there are 4 scum, then town will have two more days etc.

Why do you want to be lynched????

Math - I get your calls for more analysis, but all my scumreads are pretty set in stone :/

[SirCakez]

@math I think it's Gio/Narna/A50/Max/one of the lurkers (prob the massive slot)

VOTE: maxous

[SirCakez]

Gio/Narna/Nahdia I wouldn't mind a town block with if Maxous flips scum as I think he should. If you want to lynch Narna you should be lynching Gio because of his innocent on Narna.

I know I hate town blocks usually but I am pulling a Titus here and let's hope it goes well.

Why would you town block with Gio/Narna?

fine. fuck it

i didn't want to claim this but i kinda have to at this rate

my character is W.D. Gaster

my role is self-aligned. My win condition is to survive. If I get lynched I lose.

I can win with either the town or the scum.

Obviously i can manipulate votecounts and deadlines, honestly I just dicking around and having fun with them
Day 2 - I didn't realise the flip would be in wingdings too, I legit regretted that one.
Day 4 - I wanted the day to just hurry up and lynch, this game was dragging on too long and there was no need for another 2 weeks of doing jack-shit.

I'm ascetic and bulletproof and yes I can f'n roleblock thx, I can only die by lynch etc.

I know people are just gonna be suspect that i'm lying and that I can't win with the town - but i'll the point to only 1 night-kill per night. How do I win on my own if I can't kill?

Frankly I think there's certain people that are operating off too much insider information here, even if I do lose you know where to look for the actual scum-team. (yes i'm kinda salty towards the scum right now)

I reaalllly don't buy this
The whole claim just sounds fake
I won't vote because I don't want a quickhammer but consider my vote on Max all intents and purposes

[SirCakez]

Because Gio said they visited Narna and is weak. If this is true then Narna is town. If Narna is town (and if proper sanity {{the role not alluding to the player's mental health}}) then Nahdia and Creeps are town and/or are able to lie to the psychologist like in the setup below.

Since Narna mentioned no such caveat then it is likely Gio/Narna/Nahdia/Creeps all town.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hard_Boiled

Again this assumes Gio is telling the truth and Narna understands her role and scum didn't fuck with it.

I

think

these are okay assumptions since everything lines up after Maxous's claim.

Ok I get the first bit
I don't get how a Max scum flip = Gio town

....No. That is ridiculous. As I explained already. You are bringing up bad arguments again. Go to sleep. Read a book. Do something else and come back later.

one thing throwing me off right now, Math. this isn't how i'd talk to a solid scumread of mine.

Math, go back and read your own posts. You literally accused EVERYONE ALIVE of being scum. Everyone but SirCakez that is (I'm not even sure if you did or not regarding Cakez. If you did then I don't recall it, but that makes it 100% of the players are or have been scum read by you at one point or another). Now considering you only subbed-in TODAY (as in D5) that is certainly not healthy. It's more like you've been experimenting and examining things to see who would be easier to push. You don't replace-in and suspect the entire players list and claim that you're doing it to motivate the players!!

I think this is a towni behavior ftr (what Math is doing)
Uberparanoia is usually town

That said, I really don't like what he's doing making a "town block" with scummy as shit Narna. And his push on Ank for his weird claim is bad.

So hence Narna is town derp for checking a claimed miller. No way scum buddies let Narna do that or claim to.

Which brings us to the Gio/Nahdia/Creeps/Narna town block. I am making an assumption here Gio isn't a liar here but I think with all the pressure he had that is okay.

There has still been no explanation given as to why narna got a guilty he should not have been able to get on shiro.

[SirCakez]

Max ascetic (which we will know when he flips) under constant pressure of multiple players questioning his actions and reads he stuck by them. When the original mechanics didn't support it he still stood by it. I don't see scum sticking by such a claim after being hounded about it that much. Gio is town because of Max being ascetic (again assuming truth)

If Gio telling truth Narna is innocent. If Narna is innocent Nahdia and Creeps can't kill (granted they may be Maxous like and 3P and not kill) but then they certainly aren't group scum. I do not believe for a moment that only one scum on the entire team can kill. This is where the town block comes from. Scum would have 0 reason to frame Narna on any night because they were trying to mislynch Narna.

The explanation for the guilty is a simple one: Town Derp.

Oh and Narna mod got back to me said he couldn't answer the question as worded probably because it would confirm you as Town even though it should be pretty plain.

It's not like he could go back on the claim without being confscummed
And how does Max ascetic = Gio town?

[SirCakez]

Ok, what the fuck? I come to post and I find myself in front of the Apocalypse.


I understand that I am scumread and rightly so, so reading the last few pages before the Leonshade shenanigan, I will try to defend myself.

If I was scum that had replaced into the generally townread House slot, I wouldn't have a reason to even go near the McMenno wagon or post polarizing theories regarding flips. Instead, I would had voted Narna like all the cool kids did at the time and generally I would not stick out as much I did.

In games I usually have a low post count with a high word count per post (I like textwalling). If I was scum, I would actually textwall based on theories my mafia buddies would help me to develop during the night I replaced in. I know that Creature (and possibly SirCakez) know how I play and I would do anything possible to play as similarly as I did in the previous games.

Also, regarding Creature:

Maxous, Giovanni and Almost50 are my top preferences.

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

PEDIT

VOTE: Maxous

Disingenuous my ass.

Interesting.

VOTE: LeonShade

This here. He claimed he targeted an ascetic and weak LONG before it became a thing.
This would mean that a scum team of Gio AND Narna would have had to plan a long elaborate ruse. Keep in mind this ruse would have had to been concocted immediately after Narna's being governed. Gio is town.

This doesn't make any sense
If Max is ascetic scum, then Gio is just backing up his ascetic claim here. There's nothing that confirms Gio as town from this.
If Max is non-ascetic scum then Gio is confscum.

[SirCakez]

The point is he mentioned it before any conflicted night actions. He can't be defending Maxous because no conflicts happened yet.

But if Maxous is not ascetic yes that is true but after Gio saying Maxous is multiple times I do not believe that will happen.

@Narna The Shiro lynch is done. It is spilled milk. I believe you derped you believe framer. Fine. At the end of the day you're still Town. (barring insanities like Godfather to all cops which based on your play I doubt) The town block still exists.

A preemptive defense, then. There doesn't have to be a conflict for him to back up a buddy.

Also Skull is a she <.<

[SirCakez]

Theres been too much bullshit with night actions for there only to have been a scum faction created now imo (the Narna crap, and missing roleblocks for example)
I could see a new scum faction being created, but there is definitely still scum from pre-Max lynch

[SirCakez]

Why wouldn't shiro claim the gun when she was getting strung up?

[SirCakez]

A framer would make sense. But Shiro would have been a bizarre frame target considering the miller claim.
Also yes there is def an inventor

[SirCakez]

TBH if there was a culting Math makes sense as a target for it with their thread presence and generally being townread

[SirCakez]

TBH if there was a culting Math makes sense as a target for it with their thread presence and generally being townread

...First of all

1) I was not universally townread. Scum and one person I townread who I didn't before (Ank) were trying to mislynch me.

2) Even if I was universally townread -- Scum would be planning to use me as a mislynch anyway for the very thing you are suggesting.

Pretty much I know I am lynchbait because of the cult suggestion so I am trying to get out what reads I do have.

Mostly town read, then
Your point 2 is super WIFOM

Pine stop trying to dodge playing the game

[SirCakez]

NC is utterly baffling me.

BYF WTF?

[SirCakez]

I'll make one too: Not Chara, Almost50, Pine, and MathBlade, although not necessarily in that order. Not sure on an order, just that I am comfortable lynching any of them, mostly for reasons that have already been discussed by y'all and me.

@SirCakez I just did it for the laughs. XD

Uhhh ok

Account, you're going to need to explain this to me one more time.

i don't think Maxous is the one writing the Gaster messages. his last posts of the day claimed he didn't have any abilities left. the one that activated on death was passive, so it makes sense he wouldn't include that in the list of abilities he could use.
i also don't think Maxous can win the game anymore. being lynched was a loss. it's possible i'm wrong and he can win with a newly-created faction, but from his behaviour i simply think it's the former.

what's the issue?

WTF? You're saying gaster didn't write the gaster messages?

[SirCakez]

I doubt Maxous was directly writing those messages. They were probably just pre-made messages that went off when certain abilities fire. The alternative is that whenever Maxous wanted to use an ability, he also had to literally type out a message he wanted to go along with it. Which is silly.

Ahhhh OK. I thought you meant he was literally not the source of the messages.
I agree they don't look like he wrote them, assuming that Nahdias translations are right....

Iunno, maxous just doesn't seem like the kinda guy who would type the word "delightful". Or be super dramatic with the "MY FACTION." thing.

because of this

SirCakez on N2 who did you visit? I know super random can't find it in my notes here. So if you said it already sorry. Since you claimed roleblock I am assuming you visit people.

Not Chara -- I would be showing a bit more concern if a person who is a claimed psychologist votes you. You just asked for results. Very defeatist to me

Night 2 I visited the Andrius slot

[SirCakez]

Now then something I have noticed.

MathBlade immediately said it was a troll. However what if he was part of the new faction and was trying to hide the fact there was one and so therefore was trying to hide the fact this was happening?


VOTE: MathBlade
Also something to consider is that all people could be the mafia now. Regardless of role.

I noticed this too and he waved it off as WIFOM

That said A50 and Narna are still scumfucks who need death

[SirCakez]

If NC or BYF is scum I'm pretty sure the other is too

[SirCakez]

If NC or BYF is scum I'm pretty sure the other is too

great. i'm scum. lynch Yoshi.

<.<

See now a problem I realize in retrospect with that statement is that I don't see NC/BYF fitting with A50/Narna/Gio.

[SirCakez]

If NC or BYF is scum I'm pretty sure the other is too

great. i'm scum. lynch Yoshi.

<.<

See now a problem I realize in retrospect with that statement is that I don't see NC/BYF fitting with A50/Narna/Gio.

It can't. That's why I am split between two different potential teams.

Who are your biggest town reads SirCakez? (Myself excluded) Also for shits and giggles please repeat for N4?

I really don't have many. Ank, you kind of, Accountant.
What do you mean repeat for N4?

Also where the hell has Giovanni gone?

[SirCakez]

If NC or BYF is scum I'm pretty sure the other is too

great. i'm scum. lynch Yoshi.

<.<

See now a problem I realize in retrospect with that statement is that I don't see NC/BYF fitting with A50/Narna/Gio.

It can't. That's why I am split between two different potential teams.

Who are your biggest town reads SirCakez? (Myself excluded) Also for shits and giggles please repeat for N4?

I really don't have many. Ank, you kind of, Accountant.
What do you mean repeat for N4?

Also where the hell has Giovanni gone?

During the day your reads aren't clear in your ISO.

What were your big townreads and scumreads during N4?

Pretty similar to now. I had townreads on everyone who got booted when the draw thing happened. And I've had a scumread on Narna/A50 the whole game.

[SirCakez]

Creeps is town btw

I'n 95% certain this jester crap by A50 is a bluff.

yuuuup
It's definitely something I'd expect A50 scum to do too.

[SirCakez]

Creeps is town btw

I'n 95% certain this jester crap by A50 is a bluff.

yuuuup
It's definitely something I'd expect A50 scum to do too.

And that is based on.. what?! I'd like you to provide examples. OK, ONE example.

From your playstyle. You play EXTREMELY wildly and unpredictably.

VOTE: almost50
I've said more then once why this guy is scum.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

VOTE: MathBlade
Hell no, I'm not helping this lynch.

This reads like chainsawing

Cakez: i'm disappointed with your lack of addressing the impeccable logic being used in this game thread. Almost acting strange as playstyle is NAI, that fact alone is not a great thing to use as a springboard for your vote.

What does this mean???

Cakez: i'm disappointed with your lack of addressing the impeccable logic being used in this game thread. Almost acting strange as playstyle is NAI, that fact alone is not a great thing to use as a springboard for your vote.

it's just that timing that bothers me.

Yoshi looks like scum, he smells like scum, but whrn you compare him to Mathblade's faulty analysis he still looks reasonable.

Yoshi's posting over the last few pages was really bad and he makes sense as an A50 buddy so I would go there if the A50 wagon collapses.

I don't want to lynch Yoshi either, but Math and Cakez sullied the a50 wagon. I don't believe a townie would follow that vote in good faith.

UNVOTE:

I'm tempted to vote Cakez, but I need to read what Shiro said about him when I have time.

YES YES YES!
Narna in my townreads too.
SirCakez in scumreads.
Is this good enough for you MathBlade?

For example this is making a Narna/A50/BYF team obvious
But that leaves Gio as a question mark

Cakez is town. No touchy the cakey.

Now THAT actually DOUBLES my suspicions about him.

If you're Town: Your reads are guaranteed to be TERRIBAD, so he's likely Scum.

If you're Scum; it sounds like you're trying to protect a scum buddy, so he IS scum.

Either way you slice it, Cakez is back to being a prime suspect of mine.

When was I not a prime suspect of yours lol

[SirCakez]

VOTE: MathBlade
Hell no, I'm not helping this lynch.

This reads like chainsawing

And so does this.

Calling you scum =/= actively pursuing your lynch while trying to shut down the wagon on math lol
Keep trying

[SirCakez]

I'm for the Cakez lynch.
VOTE: SirCakez

Lol he just completely ignored my last post, what a scumbutt.
Would vote him since wagon is building up bigger on him then A50 but not sure of VC.

[SirCakez]

Are you gonna keep ignoring me Yoshi?

[SirCakez]

Why do you care? You don't think you're chainsawing, I got it.

I care because you used some bullshit to accuse me, I refuted it, and then you just ignored it to fit your own story better.
You're scum.

[SirCakez]

Why do you care? You don't think you're chainsawing, I got it.

I care because you used some bullshit to accuse me, I refuted it, and then you just ignored it to fit your own story better.
You're scum.

I didn't know it required a response.

It obviously did

Does anyone else see the cakez/math scumteam?

You think scum would defend each other this obviously?

[SirCakez]

Why do you care? You don't think you're chainsawing, I got it.

I care because you used some bullshit to accuse me, I refuted it, and then you just ignored it to fit your own story better.
You're scum.

I didn't know it required a response.

It obviously did

Does anyone else see the cakez/math scumteam?

You think scum would defend each other this obviously?

Possibly. Ask MathBlade about that concerning his read on A50 and me.

Fair enough
Though that doesn't change my read on you

[SirCakez]

I didn't read through all of the posts, but I saw multiple claims for a full claim.
I am Toriel.
1-shot Universal Doctor and Priestess
I can heal everybody during the night once and I can't hammer.

This claim seems fake as hell

Everyone MathBlade's hammered on (as in had an argument with) is town.
I'm obviously an example, but disputes with Ankamius and Nahdia can be as well.
I've noticed that he's let people slip under the radar, and I accuse those as their partners.
I think Creeps20 would be a good example of this.

As of now I think the scumteam is Math/Gio/Narna/Creeps20
If there is a fifth one, it's not Ankamius or Nahdia. Not sure where to look for that one, but I think relationships (or lack of relationships) with Math is key.
Of course all of these reads are based on Math, but that's all the reads I've made.
Now, I seriously need to focus on finals.

Where did your scumread on me go?

yoshi is trolling because he's caught scum and wants to shit up the thread even more before he inevitably gets hammered in the hopes that people will be too unmotivated to catch his scum buddies

^ this
Like I can't see why he's spam so much garbage like if he was legit town

I think town in this scenario would be a lot more cooperative, no?

[SirCakez]

SirCakez what do you think of PV?

PoE scum.

This claim seems fake as hell

Not really, considering we have no other explanation for zero deaths. What seems fake about it?

Not everyone has claimed. Plus you're a Jailkeeper yeah? Couldn't scum have attacked your target?
P-edit: Also all of the things Math just listed
It looks fake because of how convenient it is.

Oh and the Pine slot?

Damn out of ice cream after tonight.

Nulltown, mainly due to how crazy townie Andrius was

[SirCakez]

let's shoot the dog

@Cakez I didn't target anyone last night.

wut
Why not?

[SirCakez]

uhhhhh

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

SirCakez what do you think of PV?

PoE scum.

This claim seems fake as hell

Not really, considering we have no other explanation for zero deaths. What seems fake about it?

Not everyone has claimed. Plus you're a Jailkeeper yeah?

Couldn't scum have attacked your target?

P-edit: Also all of the things Math just listed
It looks fake because of how convenient it is.

Oh and the Pine slot?

Damn out of ice cream after tonight.

Nulltown, mainly due to how crazy townie Andrius was

I do believe I said "probably" the cause of the no-kill night.

You were acting like there being no NK made you locktown earlier though?

I didn't read through all of the posts, but I saw multiple claims for a full claim.
I am Toriel.
1-shot Universal Doctor and Priestess
I can heal everybody during the night once and I can't hammer.

This claim seems fake as hell

Everyone MathBlade's hammered on (as in had an argument with) is town.
I'm obviously an example, but disputes with Ankamius and Nahdia can be as well.
I've noticed that he's let people slip under the radar, and I accuse those as their partners.
I think Creeps20 would be a good example of this.

As of now I think the scumteam is Math/Gio/Narna/Creeps20
If there is a fifth one, it's not Ankamius or Nahdia. Not sure where to look for that one, but I think relationships (or lack of relationships) with Math is key.
Of course all of these reads are based on Math, but that's all the reads I've made.
Now, I seriously need to focus on finals.

Where did your scumread on me go?

With this new Gio/Narna scumteam theory I thought the chances of you being scummy are lesser. Also you did mention that scum probably wouldn't defend themselves as openly as you did. I believed it at the moment.
Your posts are getting worse as we continue though.

"Posts getting worse" is about the vaguest reason you could give for renewing your scumread on me.

let's shoot the dog

@Cakez I didn't target anyone last night.

wut
Why not?

i explained this multiple times.

I missed them q.q

Like I can't see why he's spam so much garbage like if he was legit town

Are you trolling?

How did you interpret that as trolling? What incentive does town!Yoshi have to spam up the thread with troll day actions?

claims:

sircakez: i don't know, but you do. it's in that hood you're in.

I'm not in a hood. Shiro apparently rolecopped me then leaked it to the hood.

zzz

Jae-slot isn't Chara because I am Chara.

It really should've been braindead obvious just by what I'm claiming.

uhhhh ok

I would be completely fine with killing Creeps20, but I don't actually believe that will help us actually solve the game since I can really see him being scum with just about anyone with how absent and relatively ignored the slot is.

Shit I forgot about Creeps
The slot is gonna have to go before LyLo

[SirCakez]

Gio we spent a lot of time earlier discussing the "new faction" thing. The general consensus seems to be that there is both scum left over from pre-Max lynch and new scum by the cult thing iirc

Jae I would love your read on A50

[SirCakez]

Catch up tomorrow afternoon, sorry

[SirCakez]

Catchin up now

[SirCakez]

that was really really painful
UNVOTE:

Spoiler:

He hasn't posted. I don't have a read yet.

Wtf? He has an entire ISO of hundreds of posts.

Gio we spent a lot of time earlier discussing the "new faction" thing. The general consensus seems to be that there is both scum left over from pre-Max lynch and new scum by the cult thing iirc

Jae I would love your read on A50

Yes, I know. But I remain unconvinced about said consensus, that's all.

Why aren't you convinced? Do you have some evidence to the contrary?

I say we make Chara shoot the dog.

Nope. Not that either.

Guys, Nahdia is practically scum claiming. They're the only one who understand my role now, and they're blatantly trying to get Ank to inherit it. Did I say inherit?? YES I DID.

Whoever hammers me or shoot me loses their other abilities and become the Annoying Dog themselves. It won't switch their alignment though. Just their role.

Now can we lynch conf!Scum Nahdia?

VOTE: Nahdia

This push is balls. Like 5 posts before this he said "Nahdia could be scum now". And now he's pushing her as confscum? Fake as hell.

Creeps is literally temmie. If temmie is scum I'll cry.

Skull gives flavor fakeclaims, this is stupid

im done. im out. i can't deal with this.

VOTE: accountant

this vote is fine. i don't care. i can't deal with you people and your obtuse bullshit anymore.

What's the origin of this vote? It feels RNGed.

2) I think essentially a cult/survivor faction was created upon Maxous death given what we know so far. They may or may not have the ability to nightkill.
3) I believe a scum team existed separate from Maxous prior to his lynch, and possibly still exists.

We established this ages ago.

I have never seen a goon in role madness. The token VT claim is an innocent child.

Also my predec received an FBI check and paranoia checked Titus instead of anyone actually useful the night she died and I'm pissed about that.

Not necessarily. Role madness doesn't have to have a VT (for example, Amazing World of Gumball).

I am pretty sure Yoshi is town btw because it makes sense for him to have used the doc thing he claims last night given no one knew how many kills there might be. Just like you didn't use the jk for that reason (if you're town)

This is also stupid.
For all we know scum!yoshi intentionally nokilled so he could set up this fakeclaim. He's not conf at all.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

He hasn't posted. I don't have a read yet.

Wtf? He has an entire ISO of hundreds of posts.

And I'm not reading that. Pretty sure I made it clear when I replaced in.

Why not? His ISO is scummy as shit.

2) I think essentially a cult/survivor faction was created upon Maxous death given what we know so far. They may or may not have the ability to nightkill.
3) I believe a scum team existed separate from Maxous prior to his lynch, and possibly still exists.

We established this ages ago.

Considering people were still not decided on it, apparently not as much as you thought, and as I stated, not backreading.

Who besides Giovanni hasn't conceded to this?

I have never seen a goon in role madness. The token VT claim is an innocent child.

Also my predec received an FBI check and paranoia checked Titus instead of anyone actually useful the night she died and I'm pissed about that.

Not necessarily. Role madness doesn't have to have a VT (for example, Amazing World of Gumball).

Did I say role madness had to have a VT? No. I'm the VT in this role madness game ergo the token VT, which in many role madness games is intended to be treated as an IC.

It's what you heavily implied.
The token VT thing makes sense, I didn't realize you were the one claiming it.

I am pretty sure Yoshi is town btw because it makes sense for him to have used the doc thing he claims last night given no one knew how many kills there might be. Just like you didn't use the jk for that reason (if you're town)

This is also stupid.
For all we know scum!yoshi intentionally nokilled so he could set up this fakeclaim. He's not conf at all.

Did I say he was conf? No? Right.

"pretty sure yoshi is town" is a direct quote from you. That's a stupid reason to townread him, then. Conf was a bad choice of words yes.

that was really really painful
UNVOTE:

I say we make Chara shoot the dog.

Nope. Not that either.

Guys, Nahdia is practically scum claiming. They're the only one who understand my role now, and they're blatantly trying to get Ank to inherit it. Did I say inherit?? YES I DID.

Whoever hammers me or shoot me loses their other abilities and become the Annoying Dog themselves. It won't switch their alignment though. Just their role.

Now can we lynch conf!Scum Nahdia?

VOTE: Nahdia

This push is balls. Like 5 posts before this he said "Nahdia could be scum now". And now he's pushing her as confscum? Fake as hell.

So, why did you unvote me then??

Because the wagon on you has collapsed and my vote on you was stale anyway

[SirCakez]

Day 6, Vote Count #18

Current Vote Count:

(1)

Almost50 -- Narna

Not really much of an impact to be had, + unvoting =/= not pushing him anymore, I just want to reconsider wagon options

[SirCakez]

that

is

true.

either way, i don't think Almost is scum here. i feel like i have more to say to you but can't think of anything. would you vote Creeps? Peregrine?

I would lynch either

@skull is an extension due to christmas/christmas eve possible?

[SirCakez]

FFS
I didn't claim a role on the hood, Shiro rolecopped me then leaked it there apparently

[SirCakez]

The lizard queen isn't even an Undertale character lol

[SirCakez]

The lizard queen isn't even an Undertale character lol

Nahdia means a character that starts with A that in certain circles is called the lizard queen.

SirCakez get in the trash can dude.

wut

certain circles meaning me, myself, and I.

I mean that he's Doctor Alphys.

OH
Yes since it's been outed now I'm Alphys and I'm the Inventor

SirCakez: Can you explain your reasoning for why you gave people what you gave them every night so far?

Night 1 I sent the Bodyguard/Doohickey because I believed it had the most applicable use at the time (wasn't sure if there was VTs/SK or not)
Night 2 I sent the FBI Agent/Widget because I wanted to hold onto the Tracker until the people alive were more whittled down and there was still no evidence of VTs, so that was the next most useful thing.
Night 3 I forgot to send an action <.<
Night 4 I tried to send a Tracker/Gewgaw because a lot of roles had been outed and I thought the Tracker would have much more utility at that point. But I got rbed and got to keep it.
And last night I sent the Neopolitan/Whatchamacallit because I thought it was the most useful thing I had left. I totally forgot I still had the Gewgaw

The other stuff I have left besides the Tracker is pretty useless.

[SirCakez]

N2/N4 Andrius who was N1 my notes aren't in front of me

What does this mean?

Day 6, Vote Count #18

Current Vote Count:

(1)

Almost50 -- Narna

Not really much of an impact to be had, + unvoting =/= not pushing him anymore, I just want to reconsider wagon options

To each their own, but I feel the natural thing to do if you were not faking was to keep your vote on me until you've decided on whom to vote instead. I only unvote when I'm no longer sure about wanting to lynch someone AND can't find another appropriate target for my vote. Otherwise I just simply switch my vote from x to why. It is the UNVOTE that concerns me (coupled with a continued push/discredit process).

Just because YOU do it, doesn't mean everyone else does (which you acknowledged in your first few words).
A bunch of people who I think are probtown (i;e Jae) think you are town which is also a concern to me.

@skull is an extension due to christmas/christmas eve possible?

This request is denied.

[SirCakez]

N2/N4 Andrius who was N1 my notes aren't in front of me

What does this mean?

Day 6, Vote Count #18

Current Vote Count:

(1)

Almost50 -- Narna

Not really much of an impact to be had, + unvoting =/= not pushing him anymore, I just want to reconsider wagon options

To each their own, but I feel the natural thing to do if you were not faking was to keep your vote on me until you've decided on whom to vote instead. I only unvote when I'm no longer sure about wanting to lynch someone AND can't find another appropriate target for my vote. Otherwise I just simply switch my vote from x to why. It is the UNVOTE that concerns me (coupled with a continued push/discredit process).

Just because YOU do it, doesn't mean everyone else does (which you acknowledged in your first few words).
A bunch of people who I think are probtown (i;e Jae) think you are town which is also a concern to me.

@skull is an extension due to christmas/christmas eve possible?

This request is denied.

N1 SirCakez gave an item to X
N2 SirCakez gave an item to Andrius
N3 SirCakez fell asleep
N4 SirCakez was RB'd but said he targeted Andrius
N5 SirCakez clearly targeted me.

What is X?

x is the Firebringer slot

[SirCakez]

Jae I'm not seeing a difference between Math's game here and both town/scum games elsewhere. He plays pretty much the same regardless of alignment from what I've seen.
Could you explain what "logic he has as town" is not present here?

[SirCakez]

Jae I'm not seeing a difference between Math's game here and both town/scum games elsewhere. They play pretty much the same regardless of alignment from what I've seen.
Could you explain what "logic they have as town" is not present here?

Apologies

[SirCakez]

Will catch up tomorrow morning, I'm five pages behind and it's late

[SirCakez]

SirCakez: I meant why you gave things to the people you gave them to, not why you gave certain things themselves.

Oh
Night 1 I targeted Fire because I thought he would be able to use the BG effectively and he was a townread
Nights 2/4 Andrius was a solid townread iirc so I chose him.
And last night I picked Math because of how active they are in thread and so they'd be able to strategize the Neopolitan well

For those town and not convinced that Math is scum:

Math has decided SirCakez is town because they can confirm his role through having received the Neapolitan.
Math has decided my slot is scum

despite

my slot claiming VT early, and offering to be the check from Titus, and returning a Vanilla result from Titus. Math has decided my slot is either Goon or Cult because of this.

These two viewpoints cannot exist together and be genuine. They just cannot. This is the logical progression that Math has as town which they do not have as scum. Town Math would decide either Cakez is not town just because of the role being confirmed to them, or they would decide that my slot is town. There would be consistency. There is not. Ergo, Math is scum.

This baffles me
How is Math's townread on me related to a scumread on you?

Creeps is not on the table. He is one of Narna's checks :face palm:

What? When?

I don't think NC is scum, either. Can we no lynch?

What purpose would a no lynch serve?

[SirCakez]

What purpose would a no lynch serve?

more checks, and honestly pretty much any death at this point would clarify something.

Not if it's one of the obvtown group

i don't think Giovanni is scum anymore.

Assuming Gio is town, Gio checked Narna on N4 and got a could not kill? What does that mean to you? And what does that say about Narna's checks?

obviously, it means Narna isn't groupscum, and Narna's checks are probably town, barring shenanigans. it also means scum are playing oddly, or have roles that can mess with checks somewhow.

I think it's realllly clear scum can mess with checks at this point
Whether Framer or GF or something

Math, I'm going to boil this down further for you.

My hard townreads currently: Ank and Math.

That's it.

What happened to A50?

[SirCakez]

Merry Christmas!
Will be here later

[SirCakez]

There's a chance for A50 to have pocketed me for being one of the few people that are making any sense this game. Same with Not Chara playing mediator and Yoshi.
I have my hard townreads. That's who I'm not voting. That's the only group that I find obvtown at this stage. My read on Math was wrong and I was viewing the gamestate with Math being all but confscum earlier, which colors reads also.

I see.

pretty much on the same page as chara except i wouldnt really call almost50 as lock-town, but i guess he's close-ish?

honestly, just by reads, peregrine is the guy i wanna lynch the least in that group. i'm really tempted to say fuck it and vote accountant.

Weren't you super hungry for an Almost lynch earlier?

we havent found any scum.

Gaster was scum no?

lock-town: Almost, Nahdia, Mathblade, Giovanni.

Where am I?

kek

[SirCakez]

The thing that confuses me, though: effective use of Bodyguard requires dying in someone else's place. As such, wouldn't you want to give it to someone scummy-but-probably-still-town, so that they could use it to save someone who was widely townread?

See below

Cakez, what do you mean by fb making use of the bp? They were a townread of mine that day, but I don't think they were even close to a mafia threat. My read was all meta bssed on a replace out and shitposting.

I didn't think he would be NKed, but he would be able to make a good BG choice at night.

now VOTE: creeps
It's idiotic that we're not pushing this based on a "clear" when it's like a 90% chance scum have some way of messing with investigations
With all of the debate over A50, Yoshi and PV I think this is the safest bet for scum now

[SirCakez]

I also hate that everyone has written off the Gio/Narna sect as town when those two would make a lot of sense as a scumteam

[SirCakez]

I also hate that everyone has written off the Gio/Narna sect as town when those two would make a lot of sense as a scumteam

Yeah weh would make a likely team, but it doesn't make sense to tr gio, but doubt me like my n brethren.

Everyone is grouping you and Gio together because of the interconnected nature you two have. You could be town and him scum but I doubt that, I don't see why he'd save you in that scenario on the day everyone wanted to murder your face.

Yes let's lynch Creeps the lurker with confirmable flavor since N4 over not confirmed lurker PV while the first is on V/LA. This makes complete sense. /sarcasm.

What confirmable flavor?

VOTE: replace creeps
Why are we lynching the fruit vendor?

Fruit vendors can be scum
Hell I was a scum fruit vendor in Order of the Stick

[SirCakez]

Narna/Creeps FFS
Not Chara town flip is unsurprising though
Since Narna was town that basically confirms an investigation result manipulator I believe?

I think scum is in (A50, PV, Callforjudgement, Ank) at this point, with a small chance of Yoshi scum if there was a nokill gambit to "clear" him.

[SirCakez]

Math what clears CFJ?

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah I forgot about the check on Accountant
Nice it's basically cut and dry now

Unless there's a GF or something <.<

[SirCakez]

Maybe there's like two small scumteams in play? One from pre Max death and one from after. I don't think Gio as a lone third party makes sense (Follower third party would be bizarre).

I didn't track anyone, I can't use my own inventions.

[SirCakez]

I distribute not use pls
If I used them I would be a JOAT

[SirCakez]

That sounded like something a drug dealer would say <.<

[SirCakez]

I thought Weak died if visiting nontown?

[SirCakez]

Presumably, SC has now run our of items to give out. If so, please have him hammer for the safest choice. His alignment does NOT change by hammering me, only his role does, and his original role is now effectively rendered a mere VT anyway after having handed out all his inventions.

I have items left

[SirCakez]

Actually, you could make PV hammer as an alternative. He didn't claim his role (or did I miss that?) so maybe it'd be safer that way?/ A third alternative is JR (we already know he is a VT, so transforming into the Annoying Dog while keeping his alignment isn't bad. In fact i should protect him from the NK).

Ok I'm confused
Who's hammering what?

@SC:

I was thinking about it and writing up while you responded. Only STUPID ME went and posted it in the WRONG GAME!

10/10

(PEDIT: Re: #9619) Well, I've been calling Gio a likely liar repeatedly since I replaced in…

That said, even if you think an investigative role is lying, it's normally better to lynch them than their targets. I'm waiting for clarification on Gio as to whether or not he'd die upon targeting cult. If the answer's "yes" (which seems likely), then either there's still an action-interfering role out there somewhere or you're town.

I should note that while following along with the game – I was reading it in "realtime", so this was before the Maxous flip – I got a very strong feeling that Maxous was

group

scum, and covering for buddies. In particular, if Maxous was a member of a team rather than third party, I suspect he claimed someone else's blocks (which might have been performed directly, or might have been performed by redirecting Nahdia). That said, although this can explain the N1 death, it can't really explain Gio surviving a Weak investigation on MathBlade last night unless Gio was redirected, and onto another investigative (the Follower result proves the lack of a block, and in particular there's no way to produce the result in question by redirecting Nahdia). So it's indeed not that plausible for Gio to be town but MathBlade scum.

The thing that bothers me about Max being groupscum is the whole "new faction" thing. Doesn't really seem like something that would result from a groupscum lynch.

Unless it was like a preset bullshit message that he set up or something.

[SirCakez]

Ok I'm confused
Who's hammering what?

Hammering ME. I'm suggesting that my lynch today could be beneficial to Town provided we decide who hammers.

First option: PV
Why? Bc he did not claim and is not mechanically clear. That way if he is scum (and more to it, if he is a killer) he will lose that ability. In fact he will lose all his abilities, but I'm precisely shooting for the killing ability.

Second option: SR
Why? because he is already confirmed Town AND Vanilla (i.e. no abilities to lose anyway). Transforming him into the Annoying Dog should make scum think twice before shooting him at night, and being confirmed he is unlynchable by day. It's good to have a confirmed Townie alive to endgame.

Who is SR?
For the second option - if hammering you vanillizes the hammerer, why have someone who's already confirmed vanilla do it? That seems silly.

[SirCakez]

Why are we talking about hammering the dog. We should be lynching obvscum PV.

@SirCakez -- I was assuming that typo is JR not SR for JaeReed.

Yeah that's what I thought but I wasn't 100% sure

I'm convinced Ankamius isn't groupscum, and reasonably confident that he can win with town. It's possible that he has an alternative win condition, like Nosferatu did.

Nosferatu wasn't in this game?
(inb4 Almost calls this a dumb question)

Aside from that I agree Ank doesn't make sense as groupscum. A 3P is def possible though. I'd rather dispose of PV and A50 first.

[SirCakez]

Yes he was lol Cakez

TIL Nosferatu was in this game
PV claim sounds pretty fake to me. Like it's all based on info already out in the open.

A Gio townflip clears someone else besides Math iirc, don't remember who

[SirCakez]

Yes he was lol Cakez

TIL Nosferatu was in this game
PV claim sounds pretty fake to me. Like it's all based on info already out in the open.

A Gio townflip clears someone else besides Math iirc, don't remember who

PV claim would have had to be staged since that wagon and be right only two dogs before a massive claim. PV is probably truth telling.

Gio townflip clears dead people and me...and that is it.

Everyone had claimed except him I'm pretty sure, so the claim is super easy to fake.
I thought Gio had checked someone else alive, huh.

Welcome to Undertale where I am crazy but I think cult turned scum so we have to throw out everything preN4. Asking hood buddies to make sure not insane.

PV you up for a useless dog censor check tonight?

Wait, so up until this point you were ignoring the "new faction"?

VOTE: almost50
I still don't buy the PV claim but this is fine too

[SirCakez]

No. I was not ignoring the new faction I am looking for the killer that has been ravaging our lands. Because there is still only one kill a night then if we can eliminate that life becomes so much sweeter.

So then you get that all of the "clear" people are probably not clear yeah?

Cakey please give me an item tonight. But please don't say what it is or hint at it. I think it is important for night 8.

Uh OK I'll try to guess which one you want

Nosferatu wasn't in this game?
(inb4 Almost calls this a dumb question)

You be the judge of yourself on that one.

10 Nosferatu

(Riverman, Town Modified Bookie & Dead Thread Transporter)

Was Killed on Night 2

Do you think it i is dumb or not to be playing the game

from the start

and not knowing who IS playing the game

from the start

with you?

I'll reiterate: Neither your slot nor Nosferatu's were replaced during this game. You both started the game. You both were on the starting list.

Now the fact you don't even care to know who's playing tells me you're not interested in sorting out anything, because you just want them dead either way. I'm thus calling YOU the Serial Killer of this game. I don't care if you have "another role" in addition to that. I've heard of a game where the COP was also the SK on THIS SITE, so I'm not taking your inventory thing for an indication of your alignment. Capisce?

This is idiotic
Those posts you quoted later on of me talking with Nos were over TWO months ago. I'm pretty sure at this point no one who was here at game start can remember it all perfectly.
And calling me SK for having a shitty memory is just lol
So this bogus push just solidifies my scumread on you
CFJ - if I wanted a quickhammer on Almost, why not wait until he was L-2 or L-1? Besides, it looks like we've (mostly) come to a consensus on Jae hammering Almost anyway.

[SirCakez]

Who is being pressured to hammer right now? The only person with a hammer dependent role is Ank, who is not posting very much.
If anything there is a lot of pressure not to hammer right now.

[SirCakez]

In reply to your question, JaeReed is being pressured to hammer (although obviously can't currently hammer A50, who isn't at L-1). You're even asking them to do it yourself.

I specifically said that Jae hammering A50 would be stupid earlier (when I didn't really get what A50's claimed role does), and haven't mentioned it since.
Back up your accusations.

[SirCakez]

CFJ - if I wanted a quickhammer on Almost, why not wait until he was L-2 or L-1? Besides, it looks like we've (mostly) come to a consensus on Jae hammering Almost anyway.

That looks like pressuring JaeReed to hammer Almost50 to me. It was only a few posts before the statement you're asking about.

Saying there's a semi-consensus on Jae hammering Almost =/= actively trying to push Jae to hammer Almost and you know it

[SirCakez]

I didn't say "actively".

Stating that there's a consensus that person X should do action Y will tend to have the effect of encouraging person X to do action Y (as it would typically be considered a scumtell if they didn't). I'm not sure that such a consensus exists, and stating that it does cuts off discussion and provides pressure in a way. I'm also not quite sure why you're arguing this point so much; it was a relatively minor point in my post and in most circumstances wouldn't have had any real followup. Why are you so focused on it?

That's why I said "mostly consensus". There's obviously detractors (such as you).

I'm focused on it because it was a point I saw in your post about me that was obviously false, and so I asked a question about it and you're arguing, so of course it's going to be a focus.

Note how Almost is very obviously town by the lack of advancement of the gamestate.

This logic is also stupid
I've sat at L-1/L-2 for ages as scum without a real "advancement of gamestate"

[SirCakez]

Oh look Jae there's your "movement of gamestate". Almost must be scum now!

[SirCakez]

CFJ being scum trying to get the wagon off his scumbuddy A50 would make a shitload of sense here.

[SirCakez]

CFJ being scum trying to get the wagon off his scumbuddy A50 would make a shitload of sense here.

I don't think Almost50 is scum here. I just don't think people don't want a second round of conf towns or to have to lie. If Nahdia is Jailkeep and is forced to hit <redacted>. If redacted is jailkept it will be obvious. If redacted is not jailkept it will be obvious. That is why we need JaeReed to hammer almost50.

Why don't you think he's scum?

CFJ being scum trying to get the wagon off his scumbuddy A50 would make a shitload of sense here.

But not me?

You're probably town due to the no night kill thing Night 5. Don't think scum would waste a kill just to "confirm" someone.

[SirCakez]

With all of the debate over A50, Yoshi and PV I think this is the safest bet for scum now

I didn't read through all of the posts, but I saw multiple claims for a full claim.
I am Toriel.
1-shot Universal Doctor and Priestess
I can heal everybody during the night once and I can't hammer.

This claim seems fake as hell

Everyone MathBlade's hammered on (as in had an argument with) is town.
I'm obviously an example, but disputes with Ankamius and Nahdia can be as well.
I've noticed that he's let people slip under the radar, and I accuse those as their partners.
I think Creeps20 would be a good example of this.

As of now I think the scumteam is Math/Gio/Narna/Creeps20
If there is a fifth one, it's not Ankamius or Nahdia. Not sure where to look for that one, but I think relationships (or lack of relationships) with Math is key.
Of course all of these reads are based on Math, but that's all the reads I've made.
Now, I seriously need to focus on finals.

Where did your scumread on me go?

yoshi is trolling because he's caught scum and wants to shit up the thread even more before he inevitably gets hammered in the hopes that people will be too unmotivated to catch his scum buddies

^ this
Like I can't see why he's spam so much garbage like if he was legit town

I think town in this scenario would be a lot more cooperative, no?

Narna/Creeps FFS
Not Chara town flip is unsurprising though
Since Narna was town that basically confirms an investigation result manipulator I believe?

I think scum is in (A50, PV, Callforjudgement, Ank) at this point, with a small chance of Yoshi scum if there was a nokill gambit to "clear" him.

Yes, you clearly thought I was townie for my claim.

The first quote was saying I didn't want to lynch you today because of debate over your claim
The second is from dozens of pages ago
The third is saying there's a small chance of you being scum, but not a lot.
Not sure what you're confused over here.

Ank - if you think BYF is scum then what do you think happened night 5?

[SirCakez]

If there is a 4-person scumteam then everyone not on the A50 wagon (besides Yoshi) would be conftown I think?
Nahdia's lack of presence in game is starting to bother me.

P-edit: Lack of opposition? Then what the heck is the wagon on me?

[SirCakez]

*is offended*

[SirCakez]

Which one?

[SirCakez]

If there is a 4-person scumteam then everyone not on the A50 wagon (besides Yoshi) would be conftown I think?
Nahdia's lack of presence in game is starting to bother me.

P-edit: Lack of opposition? Then what the heck is the wagon on me?

How did you come to that conclusion?

Re; this

For the first part - because if there was a 4 man scumteam that Almost wasn't on then they would have hammered
Second one is obvious
Third is because saying there's no opposition to the A50 wagon is outright false, infact now the wagon on me is bigger

DON'T HAMMER. FFS DO NOT HAMMER.

Thirded.

I wouldn't say there's a lack of opposition to the A50 wagon. There totally is, and much of it's coming from me.

On the other hand, I

would

say that the opposition is mostly coming from town (not totally convinced on BYF – although I'm leaning town there – but I know I'm town, and in order for JaeReed to be scum then there'd have to be so many scum that town has probably lost already). No opposition to a wagon means that it's on town. Opposition primarily from townies is an even stronger indicator it's on town.

Nah, we've got you resisting the wagon and you're scum.

Actually, even more so: @

SirCakez

: Please unvote. If the opinions you've stated in the thread are correct, you're not very invested in the A50 lynch. So why are you still on the wagon? #9851 is the only post I spotted in a quick scan of your ISO where you've expressed a scumread on that slot, and it was a relational tell via me. In such a circumstance, you should be voting for me instead.

I have had a scumread on A50. This is just desperate.

On that note Gio coming out of nowhere to vote me is sketchy as fuck too.

[SirCakez]

Shit you caught us trying to distance! Whatever shall we do!

[SirCakez]

Because PV has a "legit claim" despite the fact it completely relies on revealed info and isn't AI

[SirCakez]

Heh, tell that to the club on my wagon

[SirCakez]

Because PV has a "legit claim" despite the fact it completely relies on revealed info and isn't AI

PV softed his role before there were any claimed dogs. I remember seeing it, don't remember where.

Even if he does have that role, it's not AI.

That said, one of the points against SirCakez is that the way he's been

using

the Inventor shots is flat-out weird. I don't think I've ever seen an Inventor focus the shots on one person before, even if they are bulletproof, and why would you give Bodyguard (which kills the user, if it does anything at all) to a townread? Meanwhile, we can't get this sort of read on PeregrineV because the role doesn't obviously do anything useful other than confirming itself; it's been used in about the most pro-town way possible, but that would have been both easy and fairly harmless to fake as scum.

This doesn't make any sense.
I gave the BG to someone I thought was town who wouldn't be NKed, two things to a townread, and then an investigative thing to a obvtown BP. There's nothing weird there.

Got me there. I townread PV more though.

How? He's lurking his balls off.

How many toys do you have left Cakez?

Dos, neither are super good tho

Because giving a bodyguard to a scumread is worse. You give bodyguard to someone you think is a low power or VT role so they can die saving the high power role. It is swingy but that should absolutely be given to a townread. Hell given to me I could take the shot for the townie and no one die because I am infinite shot BP. Like a convoluted doctor. Focusing on a townread forces SirCakez if scum to give me the toys and the toys stay in Town hands. Never to go to scum. Therefore by lynching SirCakez we remove townpower indirectly.

A bodyguard shot is entirely harmless in scum's hands; they can't usefully use it.
A bodyguard shot in the hands of an obvtown player is pointless, as they can't save another player without dying themselves (not even if they're bulletproof).
A bodyguard shot in the hands of a scummy-looking townie is very powerful; they can die in the place of someone confirmed, which has the same amount of power as confirming themselves (assuming the shot hits).

Like I said earlier, I thought Firebringer was scummy town who wasn't going to be NKed. He definitely wasn't obvtown.

[SirCakez]

PV looks like desperate lynchbait. I don't trust you, so that answer doesn't satisfy me.

"lynchbait" is a stupid reason to townread someone. Just because he's a lynchbaity player doesn't make him always town.

See; street fighter mafia, where he lurked his ass off just like this and he was scum.

Like hell I could be considered lynchbait with how many times I've been mislynched.

[SirCakez]

I'm basically ignoring Narna's check at this point because of how much evidence there is that it can be compromised fyi

Also hey we're breaking length records

[SirCakez]

I'm not going to give stuff to scum Almost
I'd be willing to give them to Jae if Math is really THAT much of a concern.

[SirCakez]

I'm not going to give stuff to scum Almost
I'd be willing to give them to Jae if Math is really THAT much of a concern.

It doesn't matter who you say you would give stuff too. In the hood apparently I am scummy for trying to scumhunt. It is bullshit and people are repeating the same damn mistakes and calling themselves so smart for it. Ignoring concrete information post Maxous to make it work.

Ya some people just have their heads up their asses here clearly

Jae why spam LYNCH MATH if you're not going to move your vote from me? lol

[SirCakez]

^^ scumposting
Jae doesn't see Math's lynch as plausible, which makes sense to me.
I LOVE YOU JAEREED AND CFJ. YOU TWO LITERALLY PUT ALL OF MY DOUBTS AND THOUGHTS INTO WORDS FOR ME!
I would rather have a Math lynch, but SirCakez is at L-1 so... hm.

How is it not plausible? At this point I'd think everyone voting me would vote Math (which is shitty).

[SirCakez]

Nahdia get off your cruddy Ank vanity wagon pls

[SirCakez]

Not really lol

[SirCakez]

If what I'm suspecting is true, then everyone's being misled about the power of their role and each role is in fact significantly weaker than it seems.

This would align with my role, given how weak my remaining inventions are and the relative weakness of the inventions I already gave out.

Anyone have a brief recap on how we went from "everyone confirmed town except PeregerinV and Almost50" to lynching Cakez?

Just want to see some other perspectives on it while I read a bunch of pages.

Because CFJ is scum and posted some walls and got the dumb town to sheep him off of the wagon on his scum buddy A50.

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

GIOVANNI THE ABSOLUTE LEGEND

Thanks for modding this mess of a game Skull! I had a lot of fun for the most part. The setup was extremely creative and I don't think there's ever been anything like it on MS before. Sorry that your last game on MS ended with so many problems ;(
Borderlands Mafia is still my favorite game of all time. I'll miss your games!

[SirCakez]

I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. Thank you for participating in so many of my games and for being such a cool guy in general, Cakez. I'm going to miss you too.

<3