Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[SirCakez]

I thought I had moved my vote to Titus gg

[Creature]

Though, there was someone with a result on Giovanni I think.

[Creature]

Oh nvm, he's a weak follower and we can make use of him.

[Leonshade]

@SnarkySnowman:

While catching up I noticed you haven't cast a vote all day despite having scumreads, why is this?

For a moment thought you were voteless until I saw you'd voted the other two days.

[Leonshade]

Some of my strongest townreads (Andrius, Ankamius, Maxous) are voting for Not Chara, but I also feel that Not Chara is town. Hmm.

[Leonshade]

All this time I've been thinking that Titus had a strong scumread on Narna and really wanted him lynched, and that's why she thought I was scum for governing the lynch. But no.

VOTE: Narna

I am a woman of my word. My reads are off. Time to sheep.

If Narna is town, scum are dividing and conquering or lurking.

Titus justified her hop on the wagon by sheeping Andrius (and didn't seem to have much of a scumread on Narna before). The second post is post-hammer pre-govern. Titus doesn't seem certain at all that Narna will flip scum.

If leon was planning to govern Narna all along, why would he initially doubtcast the readlist and such? I really doubt he's scum saving town here too, considering the powerful role Narna claimed. I buy the progression; a lot happened between Leon disliking Narna's immediate reaction to when he decided to govern the lynch.

He wasn't though. He backed off as far as he could with the claim.

He spent 3 days tunneling.

Then he's like powerful role...not unvoting. He then suddenly decides to govern, without regard to the impact on the group?

A lot happened..meh not really and Leon didn't comment on anything relevant for the most part.

And yet, after the govern, I must be scum. The bolded is a blatant lie, I spend the first 2 days flip-flopping on Narna. Day three we had two mislynches, so I figured if town has it wrong so far, Narna must be scum. But I started feeling really bad about the hammer during the twilight, and I felt we had another mislynch in our hands, this time of a powerful town role. So I governed the lynch.

You're not certain on Narna's flip yourself, but I govern the lynch and suddenly we both must be scum? Like everyone's been saying, it would be a really stupid move for scum!Leon to govern scum!Narna's lynch, and I'd have no motivation as scum to govern Narna's lynch. Post-govern Titus tried to set up my mislynch, then when I flipped town she could go "mistaken town, let's lynch Narna anyway". Now she's going after Not Chara, who's towniness I feel good about.

Titus was a strong part of the McMenno mislynch, then was content to coast with an easy Narna lynch D3 before the govern. Titus and Narna are almost definitely not scum together, so with coasting you can take the blame off yourself if Narna flips town.

If Titus flips town, some of my townreads are wrong and I will have to re-examine them. I will not oppose a D4 Narna lynch if Titus is town, but I feel confident that Titus is scum.

VOTE: Titus

[Leonshade]

I really did not expect this much opposition to my govern, I thought others were seeing the same things about Narna's towniness post-lynch that I was. I've seen twilight trolling, and Narna's posts didn't read like twilight trolling to me. The role is also powerful enough that I thought people would welcome the govern. I also figured that unveiling my govern would draw the night kill, as well as any protective roles, preventing NKs. I now see that people are frustrated I put my read above theirs, and I understand their view. But I think my govern was good for town in the long run, even if it forced people to re-think the lynch for the day.

[Titus]

Aren't I getting lynched tomorrow? I don't think I have much of a good reason to be leashed.

You do. The result, if town and honest, clears up a lot and essentially nets us a scum or conftown after your flip. By being leashed, your result is the most helpful. If you're scum, you want free reign.

I think it would create a lot of needless roleblock wine, should (when) I get roleblocked to avoid a chance to clear myself/catch scum. I could see myself

maybe

going from a pool of people. I clear or implicate someone whether I am leashed or not. I would like free reign with my investigative on either alignment, maybe even moreso as town.

If you get blocked, then we learn nothing. It doesn't matter who you target. This discussion supposes you are not blocked.

There's no reason for a town, if they expect to die, to refuse to be leashed as the dead player cannot post anymore.

[Titus]

I've talked myself out of a Narna lynch twice to lynch town, I won't let it happen a third time.

VOTE: Narna

L-2

Thanks for the exquisite food I got during the night!

I could quote your entire ISO Leon but this will do.

[Leonshade]

I let it happen a third time.

Why would I post that if I was buddies with Narna?

[Titus]

The why would you question is always a bad one. It frames the argument and lets scum try to argue essentially right for wrong reasons.

The fact is, you posted that. The fact is that Narna's claim didn't persuade you. The fact is that you then governed based on trolling you didn't talk with anyone over.

I am OK with unpopular governs as I usually have a minority opinion in games. I am not OK with an unjustified govern that comes out of left field. It is textbook scum governor. Given you're almost always at the end of the Narna wagon, it reeks of not wanting to bus.

[Maxous]

Prod received.
Motivation levels critically low.
Awaiting lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Back from weekend- will catch up later.

[Almost50]

Why do I feel that town is

[Titus]

Well it's because some people refuse to lynch scum Leon scum Narna scum Massive or just anyone else that can be scum but there's a townblock that recognizes each other.

So we get a couple of flail wagons.

[Creature]

What's that townblock again?

[SirCakez]

Giovanni lynch is not on the table with his weak claim
Still waiting for your townblock reveal Titus lol

[Not Chara]

Maxous, Andrius, SlySly, Ankamius, Titus? i believe. i have a problem with Andrius, who i believe is third party, and... well, it's obvious where the other issue is. she's been calling herself the weakest oart of the townblock for a while. apparently that's why i've been trying to lynch her

Leon, i already tried that. i have no idea how to get Titus lynched today, but good vote.

my scumread on Creature has sort of... vanished. he's been more present today, and looking back, i really do believe he was improperly reading the thread for a large portion of the game. Creature, what changed in this game for you?

VOTE: Titus
Cakez, when did you think you'd moved your vote?

[SirCakez]

Back when it was starting to look like either you or Titus was being lynched

[Not Chara]

wait, doesn't massive have a clear result from Narna's ability? lynching him before Narna's flip would be bad play.

[Andrius]

IDEAL LYNCH: NARNA
ACCEPTABLE LYNCHES: LEONSHADE, NOT CHARA, MASSIVE

It is known.

[Creature]

Creature, what changed in this game for you?

Many things changed.

[Creature]

02 SirCakez
03 Giovanni il Pellegrino
04 Maxous

05 Creature*
06 PeregrineV

07 Titus

08 Shiro*
11 Nahdia
12 Firebringer

13 Not Chara
14 Ankamius

15 SlySly
17 SnarkySnowman***
18 Narna

19 Almost50

20 Leonshade
21 Andrius
22 massive*

[Creature]

Giovanni's supposed to be striked out.

[Creature]

Because I don't want to lynch a weak follower claim.