The real folk blues [Canceled]

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon head here.

VOTE: RachMarie

'cause she's gotta roll Scum sooner or later.

[Klingoncelt]

Yes I should be in bed sleeping, or should be working on writing on my client's product BUT instead I wrote a poem and was posting it places so well I am here for a short bit.

caveat, I have been drinking a couple or so glasses of merlot so not up to intense intellectual stuffs.

OMG you really did roll Scum this game, didn't you?

[Klingoncelt]

House head of Norvicodin asked to replace out. ...

Fuck.

[Klingoncelt]

That was a shitfest

That still seemed like some town v town stuff at first even though it got personal.
...

I feel the exact opposite... That was definitely not TvT. If anything, it was SvS or Sv3

Sv3P, that is.

Nobody's interactions through that felt town-motivated in the slightest.

Nah, if anything the Sekirei hydra is town.

If they are town, we're fucked now. Titus was the only reason I didn't policy lynch them, and that's because I can read Titus like a book.

VOTE: YumeVOTE:

DS, What about the exchange made it seem like SvS or Sv3rdP?

I think you're bullshitting.

[Klingoncelt]

Mmm. You've never seen me as scum have you nacho? I guess I can let that comment pass.

I'll consider your suggestion, mainly because it will take less work than constantly hopping wagons.

You aren't usually so egotistical...

[Klingoncelt]

Goodnight. See you all later.

[Klingoncelt]

rachmarie is being usual lost/busy rachmarie...the votes and cases on her are wanting and i dont see why she should be lynched over everyone else today
im not sold on maker of zanos being scum. also their wagon seemed to pop up to take heat off skrub or drixx or whoever it was that was being wagoned i dont really remember
diamond is pissing everyone off as usual and making everyone want to take him out of the game asap

Rach is acting different. She's been sick, that could account for it, maybe. It's not likely that she'll be run up today, but I'm going to be keeping an eye on her.

UNVOTE:

Maker of Zanos and Skrub I don't know at all, so sorting them will take a bit.

I'm not sold on Drixx or Diamond being Town.

[Klingoncelt]

But the thing is, rb, Titus has a reputation for ruining town. I can name numerous games when she was almost single-handedly responsible for the town's loss. That's why I was in favor of their policy lynch.

Low-hanging fruit.

Doesn't anyone here look like actual Scum to you?

[Klingoncelt]

Wish I could lie horizontally without getting pressure inside my skull. Worst headache ever.

Feel better soon.

Elevate your head & shoulders a little bit, it might help.

[Klingoncelt]

In the meantime while I'm dreaming of ending this day within a reasonable amount of time, I'd like to hear fancy reads (if you have special reasons for killing them or you'd argue their wagon if it popped up) on these people:

1. randomidget
5. Space Dandy [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
8. Road Kamelot
11. Mirhawk
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
23. PeregrineV
24. davesaz
29. Nosferatu
32. Giovanni il Pellegrino

I'm Town,
Grapes is a Miller,
Giovanni il Pellegrino is replacing out,
Space Dandy is a dandy kind of guy, no way can that hydra be lynched today,

and then there's the unusually quiet Albert B. Rampage... hmm...

[Klingoncelt]

Even if it was absolutely a kill list minus like 3 people it'd be ok.

But I dont know if I think dave is scum as much as just drunk. I mean I'd shoot it in the face, but probably not lynch it for a few days.

pedit:

Nine. NINE votes. Every damn person handwringing is just ridiculous. And if you've posted at all and aren't voting you deserve to be strapped to each other and flung from an airplane

This isn't a blitz game. We have days and days to work up a lynch. Time is on our side.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm Town,
Grapes is a Miller,
Giovanni il Pellegrino is replacing out,
Space Dandy is a dandy kind of guy, no way can that hydra be lynched today,

and then there's the unusually quiet Albert B. Rampage... hmm...

Not taking your word for it, obviously.
Grapes

claimed

miller, which is enough for now...
Space Dandy... who? I feel really suspicious of any assumption that someone is unlynchable though.

ABR hasn't just been quiet, he's been absent. Which is one of the factors often overlooked when looking at just post count.

Lynching Space Dandy on Day 1 would be like blindly lynching a player named Cute_Fluffy_Sweet_Baby_Kitten on Day 1. Plenty of other choices.

Didn't realize ABR was absent. I hope he's okay.

And you're right about Grapes,

claimed

doesn't mean

confirmed

.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm Town,
Grapes is a Miller,
Giovanni il Pellegrino is replacing out,
Space Dandy is a dandy kind of guy, no way can that hydra be lynched today,

and then there's the unusually quiet Albert B. Rampage... hmm...

Not taking your word for it, obviously.
Grapes

claimed

miller, which is enough for now...
Space Dandy... who? I feel really suspicious of any assumption that someone is unlynchable though.

ABR hasn't just been quiet, he's been absent. Which is one of the factors often overlooked when looking at just post count.

If you actually believe this then we truly are at the gates of hell abandon all hopes ye who entered here

If you actually believe this then we truly are at the gates of hell abandon all hopes ye who entered here

Is this a reply to KlingonCelt? That's what I'd assume, but if not then what is it in reply to?

Yes the statement that would make sense to be a reply to it is in fact a reply to.

P.s. i really want to see the data backing up your 'odds' there

You have no sense of adventure, Spyrex.

[Klingoncelt]

I hope MathBlade's alright.

[Klingoncelt]

Things, I'm still fifteen pages behind.

I'd guess rb as the scumkill as he was p/obviously town.

Vifam claimed in the PT for what it's worth, but his kill flavor seems kinda strange.

There's a good probability that your PT contains Scum.

I hate outing Neighborhoods, but you'll likely have to before long.

[Klingoncelt]

3), cerb. Lurkers need to not lurk.

Spoiler: activity overview hereto

the two nks are in the top 5 players

Where's Grapes, the third NK?

[Klingoncelt]

Verifying that Vifam did state his intention to check Kraska for a gun in the PT.

Works for me -

VOTE: Kraska

[Klingoncelt]

math your case is ass.

if theres scun in yiur hood you need to catch them.
if kraska i scum you need to make a case that isnt logical leaps.

you arent conftown. your case needs to be better than ass

Pisskop, what the hell.

There's very likely Scum in their 'Hood and it's very likely Kraska.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay. I'm still alive. This is gonna be ok.

^ ^ ^

This is likely Scum too.

[Klingoncelt]

(Method is ALWAYS superior to result, because it's only by learning and applying superior methodology that we become better players. Judging things based on results alone is incorrect and does little to help one either convince others, or become a better player.)

Fyi all, he way I'm playing this game is when I become available to check in, I read from.the top of the current page, and keep reading along and responding for as long as I'm available, so I have PERFECT knowledge of the pages I'm commenting on, but complete ignorance of what happened between times when I checked in. I'm not even keeping track of what page I waa on before.

So, what's going on everyone?

Have you been drinking or are you Scum today?

[Klingoncelt]

Without hardclaiming, can kraska tell us if she is some kind of paranoid "bomb" owner? That's really all I need. Otherwise I'm cool with seeing us switch gears and go after mirhawk or davesaz.

Scummy post.

Why are you worried about a bomb?

[Klingoncelt]

Vifam said he was going to target Kraska, do you think that hoodscum wouldn't shoot Vifam to frame Kraska/kill a pr? That seems like the simplest explanation to me.

It's possible, sure.

If Kraska's lynch goes through and he flips Town, then we go after Math and Mirhawk.

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:

[Klingoncelt]

I seriously think we should lynch mirhawk today, he seems scummiest of the 3 neighbors who's alignment I do not know. I think getting the scum out of the neighborhood should be the highest priority. I feel that kraska was scummy or whatever, but I feel that at best this is a town with backwards priority on a testable claim.

Excuse me, but that means you know someone's alignment. I assume you're talking about Vifam. You have not been confirmed as Town. I actually have you & MathBlade as suspects.


@Everyone else:
Davesaz, MathBlade, Mirhawk, and Panzerjager are the surviving members of the Neighborhood, all should be checked out. The lynch should come from here.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't have strong reads in the neighborhood, I think it would be safest to leave it for later when we can lynch RachMarie or Nero now. Some of the neighbors are going to get picked off later, narrowing the pool.

Didn't Nero claim to be Masons with Kraska?

[Klingoncelt]

You know, it doesn't matter who Vifam said he'd target.

It doesn't matter at all.

What matters is that he hardclaimed PR in the Hood.

Someone in there heard him.

Maybe they killed Vifam. Maybe one of their Scumbuddies did.

But there really isn't anything pointing to Kraska.

Nope, it's someone in the Neighborhood.

[Klingoncelt]

Vote: Mirhawk

Oh hi naked vote. My name is WHAT THE SERIOUS FUCK IS GOING ON IN YOUR MIND! USE YOUR WORDS DAMMIT. I WANT TO KNOW


but seriously. Stop with the naked votes, please. They just show that you have no interest in actually playing.



Oh, to any lurkers, if you have less content than PV, I humbly suggest that you slap yourself, then get on your keyboard, and actually make content. Because that is unacceptable. (sorry PV, but you know it's true. You do have a tendency to compulsively lurk)

Diamond, did you manage to roll Town this game? Wow.

[Klingoncelt]

Are you not reading the thread or something? You know why people are voting for Kraska, right? Because we think an informant in the pt told her Vifam was gonna check her and they killed vifam. Kraska is as suspicous as everyone in the pt. I don't understand why you would make a post like this

People are idiots that play terribadly.

If I were Scum A, and Town B in my 'hood said that they were targeting Scum C, why would I tell Scum C????

If it were me I'd go back to my Scum PT and fucking tell everyone. I've never been on a Scumteam where whoever was carrying out the kill was chosen specifically for being the target of a Townie.

Has it not occurred to any of you Nobel Laureates that Kraska has nothing at all to do with this?

Could it not be that someone in the 'hood heard the words "Pee" and "Are" and ran back to their Scum PT with a great target choice?

Has everyone been drinking leaded water or something?

[Klingoncelt]

UGH. Klingoncelts posts between 2001 and 2006 are all terrible.

Are you reading the game?

I was kinda bleary-eyed.

Flu's going around again.

I'm better today.

Whoever invented ginger ale is a god.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm implying I know my own alignment, also if we're saying kraska claim checks out, then there is no scum in the neighborhood. That's what the info of 1 kill checks out. It's gone from "only lynch someone in the neighborhood" to "don't lynch anyone in the neighborhood."
I'm leaning towards expedience but honestly I have to reprocess the entire game because of the amount of misinformation people were working on for the last few pages.

Facts:
Kraska is both not in the neighborhood and has claimed 2 shot pgo.
Vifam was hit with 1 kill and it was presumably kraska

Okay, FA's last post clears up the kill flavor for me.

So it doesn't matter if Kraska and the entire Neighborhood are all Scum, Vifam basically walked onto a land mine.

Pure coincidence.

Back to the drawing board.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't have strong reads in the neighborhood, I think it would be safest to leave it for later when we can lynch RachMarie or Nero now. Some of the neighbors are going to get picked off later, narrowing the pool.

Didn't Nero claim to be Masons with Kraska?

What the fuck is this. No, he did not.

And this isn't consistent with her previous posts at all, e.g.:

There's very likely Scum in their 'Hood and it's very likely Kraska.

I don't see how this could be a real thought process. This is a pretty black and white thing, if she really thought they claimed masons but went along with it because everyone else was wanting to lynch them then that;s basically a scumclaim.

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm not Scum, and you're trying way too fucking hard.

You need to pay attention. Here, let me help:

...
I'm masons with kraska

[Klingoncelt]

You need to pay attention. Here, let me help:

...
I'm masons with kraska

I had missed this in the jumble! Thanks!

UNVOTE: Kraska

I guess Nero was bullshitting. At the time he said it I thought he was serious.

Kraska can't be a Mason

and

a PGO, can she?



Oh, crap. Is it possible that they're actually Scum and Nero fakeclaimed?

How many times have I heard Scums say they wanted to do that, claim Masons, but it was too risky?

Could Nero have actually done it?

That would take some major balls.

[Klingoncelt]

Hmmm
Had Klingon as town but her incredulous tone here sounds kinda fake
may raydar could be broken

Ya i can normally keep up ok in fast games but ive been busy and shit got away from me @Ari
I dont like catching up or reading ISOs because 1) lazy and 2) i find the reads arent worth much bc they lack context anf the sense of game flow at the time which imo is important for looking at behaviour

Ari is super town btw
Dont wanna lynch kraska neither not after the way her claim went down
someone convince me onto their pet wagon tho

There are players here that know me. They'll tell you that I don't do fake.

Ask Cerb about my Scum game. And the unusually quiet ABR. Diamond Sentinel. And anyone else that was in SaGa or Bloodborne.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyway,

Road Kamelot

, why do you think Nero would claim Masons with Kraska?

If it's not a bizarro Scum claim, why do it?

[Klingoncelt]

Actually Kling im quite familiar with you

You're an alt then. Okay.

unusually quiet ABR is right do you happen to have any ideas about that

My kneejerk response is that he's Scum.

I have some time now, best place to look for Scum is ISOing the MoS lynch wagon. And ISOing ABR.

Ive seen weird mason claims for shits as either alignment so personally im not reading into it
Certainly possible nero is scum but not with kraska i dont think
Unless kraska corrobated the claim? That would change things a bit

I didn't see any corroboration.

[Klingoncelt]

Actually Kling im quite familiar with you but youre probably right
I think i was off this response espexially is more like town you
I wont answer abt games tho im really sorry but secret is secret for a reason

I don't know how you can even consider this as being genuine. The tone doesn't mean shit, although it's so sickeningly over the top.

Look back at her posts around where she says that kraska is a mason

She votes kraska despite the fact she supposedly thinks she is a claimed mason

How could this possibly be consistent with a town player who thinks that kraska is a mason (and somehow doesn't manage to make the very short leap to the fact that they can't be both pgo and a mason)? It's such bullshit. Klingon I've seen post stupid things before but it's 100% impossible for someone to post those things and believe what they're saying

This is basically what happens when an idiot scum tries to dumbtell

VOTE: Expedience

@The Ascended Masters @Bearbert D :

In that now-completed game you were wondering how I knew you were the SK.

It was your badly faked read. The dishonest misrepresentation. You said I was trolling, but I don't troll. Here we have a badly faked read again. (This is the "ongoing" I was referring to.) I have a reputation for being useless, for being a mega derp, for being low-hanging fruit.

No one ever calls me "fake," though.

It's simply not what I am.

Ask anyone that was in the SaGa or Bloodborne games. I was Scum in both and I didn't do fake.

Expedience threw that word at Skrubs on Day 1, and implied it at Cerb, called MoZ fake (and helped with the lynch,) calls RachMarie fake, calls Road Kamelot fake, and Nero Cain, and then me.

See how it looks like she's just throwing names at the wall to see who's sticks?

The word "fake" could be "trolling" in this application. A word that in no way applies to the player or post, but it sounds good, it sounds like the accuser knows more than he/she actually does.



Okay.

That said, Expedience has shown a marked paranoia, and has said twice that she can't be lynched today. She's also Townread certain players with even less reason than her "fake" reads.

Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum Scum

If you don't believe me, ISO her.

[Klingoncelt]

id be okay with gentle klingy, ari, or rk pressure as well.

arislot has done fuckall this game and a huggyfeely wallpost or three doesnt change that.
klingy is ditto - but for old meta i can give it a pass for now
rk is inconsistent or not transparent enough. take a pick

But Klingoncelt claimed scum

Oh, and Expedience lied about me claiming Scum.

I never claimed Scum, because I'm not.

Even if I were I wouldn't.

For that idiocy you should be policy lynched.

But you're Scum so we'll lynch you for being Scum.

Lying Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Hmmm
Had Klingon as town but her incredulous tone here sounds kinda fake
may raydar could be broken

Ya i can normally keep up ok in fast games but ive been busy and shit got away from me @Ari
I dont like catching up or reading ISOs because 1) lazy and 2) i find the reads arent worth much bc they lack context anf the sense of game flow at the time which imo is important for looking at behaviour

Ari is super town btw
Dont wanna lynch kraska neither not after the way her claim went down
someone convince me onto their pet wagon tho

There are players here that know me. They'll tell you that I don't do fake.

Ask Cerb about my Scum game. And the unusually quiet ABR. Diamond Sentinel. And anyone else that was in SaGa or Bloodborne.

Tbf, iirc I was more or less the only person to catch you in Bloodborne, despite people playing with you before. Your scumgame is pretty variable as i think it might have been YCBA 4 where you got lynched day 1 and failed massively. You raise a good point about ABR being quite tbf. From what I've seen of him that is more characteristic of his scum games than his town games.

Do you recall me or Skrubs, Cerb, MoZ, RachMarie, Road Kamelot, and/or Nero Cain as being fake, ever?

[Klingoncelt]

OK lets lynch Skrub or Mirhawk

Lynch Expedience first.

[Klingoncelt]

Can't we all just get along?

I mean, we could no lynch and hope that scum go along with this plan?

What?

Seriously?

Eww.

[Klingoncelt]

Gah! I thought Shiro had this, but maybe shiro though I had this.
Okay, okay.
What do I need to know to get into this game?

ISO Expedience.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyone who suggests a policy lynch is exaggerating the benefit of lynching a player to insult them, since it's never actually viable and won't go through. It's funny because lynching players with complete disregard of their alignment will usually be more anti-town than whatever the other policy lynched player would do, but it's still not anti-town enough to merit policy lynching the player who tries to push a policy lynch.

Policy lynching an anti-Town player is never a bad idea this early in the game.

In your case it would drop the toxicity considerably.

However, my wanting to lynch you on policy is a moot point, because you are in fact Scum.

Anyone can ISO you and see it.

[Klingoncelt]

2756 is actually town minded.
Considering Expedience wasn't on the lurker/troll/scummy list so would have been easy to roll with.

@Random - No one will ever put you on that list, you're too cool to be compared to by those names! :<

No, it's not Town-minded, not by a long shot.

Lynch her.

[Klingoncelt]

trolls

-DS
-Dandy

Lurkers

-ABR (but damn his content is good when he is here)
-Klingon Stage 5
-RK to an extent
-Daveso
-Math
-KTS qualifies as a fringe case

Scummy apathetics

-Skrublord
-Kraska
-TAM to a point
-shit - whoever else is in the game I cant remember 30 names Im not a

monkey

The trolls make no sense whatsoever. Regardless of me, it's impossible for someone who barely posted to be trolling (space dandy).
Your lurkers are DEFINITELY not the worst lurkers. Like, you didn't even try.
A PL shouldn't be dependent on scumminess. Or, more accurately, if a person is scummy, then they aren't a PL. They are just a lynch.

Each of your categories is complete bullshit and I recommend you get vigged after PV.

so im scum because... ... ... you want to play theorycraft?

get wrecked

You're scum because your PL list is bullshit. More than likely, at least half of those people are really just people you want out of your way. Or perhaps the people who fit those categories, yet weren't included, are your scumbuddies. It's pretty obvious that you have an ulterior motive.

I agree. Pisskop's play is as lame and Scummy as Expedience's.

[Klingoncelt]

Is this scum theater or something?

Very bad Scum Theatre.

They're too damn lazy to even try to build a case on Townies.

[Klingoncelt]

@Varsoon/Skrub - Vote Diamond with me! Lets make a real counter wagon that lynches scum!

Why? What has Diamond done that warrants a lynch?

Not much. There's a good chance that Vedith is Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Why? What has Diamond done that warrants a lynch?

He confessed to being scum.
Back in my day, being scum had a penalty of death.

Link to post?

[Klingoncelt]

I agree--it should warrant death. There's no reason for town to play that way. Can you show me where he confessed to this?

You can take my word on this. It was a few pages back but it happened.

No.

Post the link or it never happened.

[Klingoncelt]

2756 is actually town minded.
Considering Expedience wasn't on the lurker/troll/scummy list so would have been easy to roll with.

That's one of the nullest things I've posted, it's barely related to the game. I'm town here, but when I'm scum I always try to stay as honest as possible.

Which is why you randomly accused half a dozen players of being fake while Townreading others for no reason.

Why isn't Expedience in the Dead Thread yet?

[Klingoncelt]

id be okay with gentle klingy, ari, or rk pressure as well.

arislot has done fuckall this game and a huggyfeely wallpost or three doesnt change that.
klingy is ditto - but for old meta i can give it a pass for now
rk is inconsistent or not transparent enough. take a pick

But Klingoncelt claimed scum

Oh, and Expedience lied about me claiming Scum.

I never claimed Scum, because I'm not.

Even if I were I wouldn't.

For that idiocy you should be policy lynched.

But you're Scum so we'll lynch you for being Scum.

Lying Scum.

When scum accuse town they discredit without caring about distinguishing between town or scum, she describes my post as both idiocy and a scumtell. I can't be both but in both cases what I'm saying about her is untrue. And being upset only meshes with me being an idiot. She's upset because I gave a poorly explained but correct read.

It seemed obvious to me but I don't think anyone got it.

Shitty deflection.

You said I claimed Scum.

Post the link.

Now.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh shit that looks a lot like distancing guess my cover is blown gg.

But really, though, I'm going through these first 30 pages and I'm tempted to just pull a fucking klingoncelt and start replying to everything from days ago.

Woot!!

[Klingoncelt]

EXP could very well be scum but he's always scummy and derpy.

Expedience is a "he?"

Sorry, Expedience.

But yer still Scum, he.

[Klingoncelt]

Poison Doc would make plenty of sense for a scum role, to be honest. As far as Drixx being lurky as scum, I think Drixx's activity has been lower in the last year just due to all the RL stuff he's been dealing with. I don't know if activity is a huge tell there like it might've been in the past.

"If activity is a huge tell there like it might've been in the past" then half the playerlist is Confirmed Scum.

Poison Doc is at this point NAI, I think. All the role tells me is that we likely have either a Serial Killer Poisoner or a Mafia Faction one.

[Klingoncelt]

Dude

I hae a bad feeling kc could be scum and going to get away with this one. Gonna ISO them.
Could someone PLEASE explain the gunsmith death meaning that gun person wouldn't want to kill them.
Also vedith is a pretty strong townread. Really liked the ir posting on this page.

Nope, not Scum, I'm Town, I promise.

The Gunsmith died because checked a PGO - or at least Kraska claims to be a PGO. A 2-Shot PGO.

[Klingoncelt]

bettee

shecan sit in the corner and watch as i do my thing.

youd best start playing Klingon

The hell?

I'm here.

I named Expedience Scum, I made a case, I voteparked on him, I asked everyone to ISO him, where were you when all this was going on?

[Klingoncelt]

Happy Scumday, FA!

[Klingoncelt]

If you were the mod of a game with 2 scum teams, which one do you give the PGO to? And what do you give to the other team to Balance the 2 extra possible kills you are giving one side?

???

Two Scum teams... how do you know this?

[Klingoncelt]

An interesting assumption. I wouldn't have expected someone who hasn't read much to make such an assumption, but it's also what I've assumed from the start.

Anyways, I doubt there would be any distinction between the two, besides flavor. One, undoubtably, is "headed" by Vicious. I don't think that he would have the PGO, but admittedly I'm only 12 episodes in right now (watching it as I type this. I like the Space/Spaghetti Western vibes, and while I think the Crime Noire intro sequence doesn't exactly fit well, I do like it. A good shot).

I have no guesses whatsoever for the other scum team. I'm thinking that, perhaps one has Faye as a traitor in the Bebop group, as she's the closest to a villain there, but she is, more or less, a protagonist. So, flavorwise, I assume that, if there is a traitor (not strictly that role. Just a scum in Bebop), it will have a fakeclaim that leads to being in Bebop. Another thing that dashes on Faye as the "traitor" is that she doesn't really have anyone besides those Casino jerks who would be connected.

Of course, this is all flavor guesswork. I'm mostly just shooting out headcannons.

Back to the PGO. More than likely, if there are 2 scum teams, one will have a strongman, and the other might have the PGO. Both could have a strongman, (that happened in Dramonic's Soccer Spirits), but that ended up terribly, as one scum team's other abilities made it significantly more OP than the other (one team had a redirector and a full-rolecard cop, so that was so sickeningly stupid)

Also, from Frozen's modding history, I expect that she gave some less OP abilities than most other mods do (like you, Varsoon, which I do like, btw). This game is, more than likely, not rocket tag, but instead a 360 no-scope battle with snipers that take 4 shots to the body but one to the head to kill. That is to say, I would assume that, given the right strategy and situation, any role (or more likely a combination of roles) can produce some OP results, but it's incredibly unlikely to happen.

As for any other powers scum could have to balance the potential PGO, I have no idea. This is a theme game, so anything goes. I certainly like making very non-normal roles.

I find this level of speculation disturbing.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, prods are every 4 days? I'll continue to play as if they are 2 days, but that's good to know!

For V/LA they're 4 days.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, the speculation on Scumteams:

We have 3 kills. 1 claims to be a Town PGO. Who are the other 2? Could there have been another kill that was blocked?

I've played some games offsite with FA where there are multiple Scum factions and multiple 3rd Parties, if the game's big enough. I have major concerns with players doing setup spec this early in the game.

FoS: PereV and Diamond.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyone who suggests a policy lynch is exaggerating the benefit of lynching a player to insult them, since it's never actually viable and won't go through. It's funny because lynching players with complete disregard of their alignment will usually be more anti-town than whatever the other policy lynched player would do, but it's still not anti-town enough to merit policy lynching the player who tries to push a policy lynch.

Policy lynching an anti-Town player is never a bad idea this early in the game.

In your case it would drop the toxicity considerably.

However, my wanting to lynch you on policy is a moot point, because you are in fact Scum.

Anyone can ISO you and see it.

I'm the least toxic player in this game. I actively prevent hypocrisy both in my everyday life and in-game by neither complimenting nor criticizing others, not even if they're critical of others themselves. The only cure for violence is silence.

You know nothing, peasant.

*smh*

[Klingoncelt]

Which is why you randomly accused half a dozen players of being fake while Townreading others for no reason.
Why isn't Expedience in the Dead Thread yet?

Scummy post

You said I claimed Scum.

Post the link.

Now.

Fake

I'm arguing with Donald Trump ffs. Please, people, lynch Expedience.

[Klingoncelt]

I do not watch Japanese porn cartoons.

Anime isn't necessarily porn.

Cowboy Bebop isn't porn.

[Klingoncelt]

I am not discarding the fact that Kraska could be scum. But there is practically no chance whatsoever that kraska, or ANYONE, for that matter, is a serial killer.

Oh dear.

I was hoping you were Town this game.

I posted some info on a site where FA and I played some large themes. Over there you could have up to 3 Scum factions and possibly up to 3 3rd Parties. Or maybe you'd just have one big Scum faction.

So FA's familiar with those setups and able to play them. She's able to run games like that, too.

But you insist that an SK isn't possible.

Well if it's impossible due to FA's experience, then there must be another reason.

The only one I can think of would be "doing the math" - that you're on a Scum team of either 4 or 8 players.

[Klingoncelt]

I literally just explained why I can say almost 100% certainty that there isn't an SK in this game.

Oh, I forgot.

There can't be an SK because 1:31 odds aren't fair.

I'm not buying.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm never playing in a game this big again. Everybody completely gave up after day 1 and doesn't care who gets lynched at all

I didn't give up.

[Klingoncelt]

OK.

Vote: RachMarie

Pretty sure she's V/LA.

I think she's Scum, too, but we should wait until she gets back.

[Klingoncelt]

I am not discarding the fact that Kraska could be scum. But there is practically no chance whatsoever that kraska, or ANYONE, for that matter, is a serial killer.

Oh dear.

I was hoping you were Town this game.

I posted some info on a site where FA and I played some large themes. Over there you could have up to 3 Scum factions and possibly up to 3 3rd Parties. Or maybe you'd just have one big Scum faction.

So FA's familiar with those setups and able to play them. She's able to run games like that, too.

But you insist that an SK isn't possible.

Well if it's impossible due to FA's experience, then there must be another reason.

The only one I can think of would be "doing the math" - that you're on a Scum team of either 4 or 8 players.

KC, I really really thought you would have known my playstyle.

I try to mathematically break down games. I did it in Machina Mafia, I did it in Cyberpunk, it's just my MO.

The fact that you're just disregarding my well-known playstyle is discouraging to me. It makes me question your towniness.

I go by what I know about the Mod.

I know she can handle an SK or three.

[Klingoncelt]

nos is worrying me too. He's been acting weirdly lately. Every full moon he's been gone for long periods of time and no one knows where he goes. He refuses to watch anything but "Teen Wolf", and only responds to barks. I seriously think he needs professional help.

Neutering should end the wandering around during moon phases.

[Klingoncelt]

Read my ISO.

Kraska killed Vifam because Kraska is Mafia. Mafia report as having guns regardless of how the mafia kills. Claimed PGO to cover it up and people buy it for some silly reason.

Because players with guns also report as having guns maybe?

I'm not saying she's Town, I just don't know. I want to put my vote where I'm more confident.

[Klingoncelt]

I literally just explained why I can say almost 100% certainty that there isn't an SK in this game.

Oh, I forgot.

There can't be an SK because 1:31 odds aren't fair.

I'm not buying.

I believe there was just a 42 player game the SK won. Maybe modded by House.
I'm not saying it's fair, but it's also not impossible.

It was modded by Wake.

He and House really aren't the same guy, honest.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, I need to know, are all of you Townreading Expedience?

He'd be a wonderful lynch.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, I need to know, are all of you Townreading Expedience?

He'd be a wonderful lynch.

Shit man, you want me to read a 200 post Iso and figure that out??

Tell me, why would they be a "wonderful lynch"?

He cleared some people with no explanation, and Scumread a bunch of players with only the word "fake" as a case. I was one of the "fake" reads.

Ari, you know me well enough to know that I don't do "fake" as either alignment. Meaning that Ex's read was itself fake.

Ex also said I claimed Scum, which is ridiculous, even if I were Scum I certainly wouldn't claim it. I told him at least twice to link to the post where I allegedly made the claim, he has as yet not done so, even though he read my posts containing the demands.

Read through my ISO, you'll find it.

[Klingoncelt]

say a baby is rigged in a contraption that will randomly drop it from a tall tree in a forest.

if it does fall, does it make a sound?

It and the baby both would, and the tree branches and whatever critters are in/around the tree.

[Klingoncelt]

say a baby is rigged in a contraption that will randomly drop it from a tall tree in a forest.

if it does fall, does it make a sound?

Not if it's sleeping!

Spoiler:

"Sleeping" was originally going to be "unconscious" but I don't want to be too dark...
The idea being that it won't be able to cry, thus not making a sound.

It could pass gas or talk in its sleep. It would make a thud upon impact of course - ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING???

[Klingoncelt]

DGB played lost pretty well in Wake Mafia. As scum DGB writes paragraphs and as town DGB writes short sentences. She's been trying to adapt but not quite there in similar metas.

Vote Kraska.

*bites tongue so hard*

[Klingoncelt]

It's clear that none of the small wagons will take off, even the most excellent one that I built for Expedience. Because Expedience is Scum.

So ... I'll go with the most likely larger wagon.

VOTE: Kraska77

[Klingoncelt]

Idk if there is other support for a wagon on her, let's do it. Just seems like it's me and you.

The lack of support for an Expedience lynch tells me that Scum aren't getting on that wagon, so now I'm even more convinced that she's Scum.

Alas, if the votes aren't there that lynch won't happen today. Maybe some kind-hearted Townie will Vig her tonight or maybe we can lynch her tomorrow.

Of the others, I think Kraska's lynch will give us the most information. So I'll go there.

[Klingoncelt]

Vote Count 1.21

Maker_of_Zanos (17): RachMarie , The Ascended Masters , SpyreX , Expedience , rb , Skrub , Killthestory , DiamondSentinel , SirCakez , Road Kamelot , Panzerjager , Vifam , pisskop , Cerberus v666 , kraska77 , DrippingGoofball , grapes

[Lynch!]

DiamondSentinel (3): Albert B. Rampage , Vedith , davesaz
Skrub (1): Drixx
Drixx (1): Nero Cain
Expedience (1): Nosferatu
RachMarie (1): mhsmith0
Nosferatu (1): Aristophanes
Vifam (1): MathBlade

Not Voting (6): randomidget , Space Dandy , Mirhawk , PeregrineV , Maker_of_Zanos , Klingoncelt

... Let's use this one for our last VC, and then I'll start quoting actual posts.

grapes, DGB, kraska, and Cerb all hopped on since the last VC. So we disregard them. The last slots are really really NAI. I've seen lurker town and scum go for the final votes. Not going to bother dealing with those for now.

SirCakez, Road, and PJ look to be in pretty townie slots.

That's all I care to do with wagon analysis.

Are you fucking kidding?

You call that Vote Count Analysis?

No. Just no. That far exceeds the legal limit of suckage.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

[Klingoncelt]

Enough of this.

Let's lynch definite, inarguable Scum.

Join me.

VOTE: Expedience

[Klingoncelt]

randomidget - kill
MathBlade - town
kraska77 - townlean
Varsoon - kill
Vaxkiller - kill
Albert B. Rampage - townlean
Radical Rat - kill
DiamondSentinel - town
Mirhawk - kill
Nero Cain - town
SpyreX - town
Klingoncelt - kill
Vedith - kill
Expedience - townlean
RachMarie - town
SirCakez - kill
Skrub - town
PeregrineV - townlean
davesaz - town
pisskop - town
Panzerjager - town
mhsmith0 - kill
Drixx - town
Nosferatu - kill
Killthestory - town
Cerberus v666 - town
Aristophanes - town

That list is pure shit.

[Klingoncelt]

yeah you claimed a bullshit role with absolutely no flavor and just 'VT'

It wasn't a serious claim btw, it was an inside joke with nc from that time

Expedience hasn't claimed jack

She did say this:

I'm not going to be lynched, probably ever.
...

[Klingoncelt]

stop speccing please.

We have, for one, a claimed poison doc. poison is a belated kill right?

Yes unless there's some.shenanigans but if that's the case then weve got even less scum so it'll shake out.

I'm not really speccing just answering rach amd making sure 10 man skumteam tm doesnt take hold

How could there be 10 Scums in a 32-player game?

FWIW I can see either 4-4 or 6-1-1.

Yeah, I'm speccing.

[Klingoncelt]

Also, Drixx is still in the game. He should be getting a prod.

As of this post Mirhawk and Randomidget have entered prod range.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm sorry MathBlade, but your theory on Kraska has too many holes in it. I can't support it at all.

No it does not.

PGOs based on their role have guns.
Kraska as a claimed PGO would have shown up as a guilty on it.
Kraska killed Vifam because he would be discovered.
Kraska is very likely not a PGO.

If a game does not follow the wiki then it is not normal.

But what if Kraska really is a PGO?
Vifam would have died by reflexive kill.
Not by targeted factional Night Kill.
Kraska

might

be Scum, she's definitely on my suspect list, but I can't lynch her today.

[Klingoncelt]

@ kling
umm what would a 6-1-1 be? Two SKs? or another 3rd party that has a killing role?

^ Scum, an Evil 3rd, and either another Evil 3rd or a Survivor.

[Klingoncelt]

... and there is scum in the hood.

Oh yeah, who's in the PT again?

People with role PMs.

Okay, Math, now you have pissed me off.

I've been very patient, I've been very calm, I've been trying to see things your way, I've been trying to help, but then you take a giant shit on the game and ruin any credibility you may have had.

The point is HOW THE FUCK IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO HELP YOU WHEN YOU WITHHOLD KEY FUCKING INFORMATION?

Now, dear, who in the goddamn fuck is in your 'hood?

[Klingoncelt]

I got mugged reading this game.

I'm glad you weren't seriously injured.

[Klingoncelt]

kraska77 (2):

Varsoon

, Radical Rat
Expedience (1): Klingoncelt
RachMarie (1): Killthestory
Nero Cain (1): MathBlade

Not Voting (1): Drixx

Fine. All of these people need to stop being dinguses and vote a wagon.

Those on Scrub could do the same, as that has effectively died.

I don't like any of the wagons.

[Klingoncelt]

He is all over the place trying to get everyone's attention, he is not being too scummy, but just enough to try and get lynched. Add that to Nero's claim, and it kinda makes sense.

Is this how he usual plays spouting off nonsense? I mean he devoted a bunch of posts making up some dragon ball thingy trying to get attention.

Yes, this is how KTS usually plays. He's just getting warmed up.

[Klingoncelt]

What , " will get as long as the kill kts mean"?

it means I'm putting a bounty on KTS

Why?

[Klingoncelt]

here you go, kling
Math
Panzer
dave
mirhawk
and Vifam was in it too.

Since at this point the hood is not a secret, it's math, me, davesaz, mirhawk, and the recently deceased vifam. None of us are alignment confirmed.

Thank you.

[Klingoncelt]

@kling; no scum in the hood. The entire idea of scum being in the hood came from kraska being scum, but she's not so...

I'm not saying there is, but if there's an accusation, then the accused should be named. (I don't like the idea on lynching out of a group if I don't know who's in it.)

[Klingoncelt]

I don't like any of the wagons.

Why was my reads list shit?

It looks like you just rolled dice or threw names into the Randomizer. I just looked at it, it's still shit.

[Klingoncelt]

yeah you claimed a bullshit role with absolutely no flavor and just 'VT'

It wasn't a serious claim btw, it was an inside joke with nc from that time

Expedience hasn't claimed jack

She did say this:

I'm not going to be lynched, probably ever.
...

That said, Expedience has shown a marked paranoia, and has said twice that she can't be lynched today.

Klingoncelt evidently knew what 1458 meant (softing PR) but presented it dishonestly as a scumtell.

There's no need to soft a PR unless you're being run up.
Oh - you know what? Scum have PRs too.

Nothing at all false about what I did.

[Klingoncelt]

Hammering is seen as scummy because it ends the day. I disagree with that and site meta in general.

Umm, no.

Self

-hammering without claim is Scummy because it ends the Day with as little information as possible getting leaked.

Math, Y don't U know that?

[Klingoncelt]

It looks like you just rolled dice or threw names into the Randomizer. I just looked at it, it's still shit.

What reads in particular do you disagree with? Which ones do you disagree with?

Saying that my reads are shit because they are shit isn't particularly helpful.

I put the list in alphabetical order here and it still looks random:

Aristophanes - town
Cerberus v666 - town
davesaz - town
DiamondSentinel - town
Drixx - town
Killthestory - town
MathBlade - town
Nero Cain - town
Panzerjager - town
pisskop - town
RachMarie - town
Skrub - town
SpyreX - town

Albert B. Rampage - townlean
Expedience - townlean
kraska77 - townlean
PeregrineV - townlean

Klingoncelt - kill
mhsmith0 - kill
Mirhawk - kill
Nosferatu - kill
Radical Rat - kill
randomidget - kill
SirCakez - kill
Varsoon - kill
Vaxkiller - kill
Vedith - kill

Neighborhood:
Davesaz - town
MathBlade - town
Mirhawk - kill
Panzerjager - town

That you're Townleaning Expedience but wanting to lynch me shows that you aren't paying attention. With all the noise MathBlade made about Kraska, Kraska Leans Town, Math is fully Town, but among the Neighborhood, Mirhawk is Scum. A number of players are reading Rach Marie as Scum, you have her as solid Town. You have Nero as Town, what has he done? You have Nosferatu as Scum, what did he do?

I have to know, which of you assembled this list? It was Bear, I'll bet.

Does it affect you in a negative, positive, or neutral way that during most of the game you're voting alongside players on your Kill list? Doesn't that skeeve you out just a tiny bit?

[Klingoncelt]

Sorry about taking so long to post the reply there, but World Series.

[Klingoncelt]

I can't believe we didn't lynch Skrub, what is this town doing?

Nice to know you don't see yourself as town. Thanks for scum claiming.

That wasn't a Scumclaim.

You've been making some mistakes this game...

[Klingoncelt]

I should clarify that I have a theory, not evidence.

I can lay it out though, basically it goes like this.

First of all a town player who defends themselves by blowing people up with biological weapons sounds super friggin sketchy in the first place. I haven't seen far enough into the show to confirm if this is something that the character she claimed to be would do, but using biological weapons for self defense sounds like horseshit.

Secondly, bulletproof serial killers aren't that uncommon so I don't see a SK with some sort of protective ability as being too unlikely. In fact if Vifam hadn't said who he was targeting we never would have know it was her at all, which does kinda make it a defensive ability.

Lastly, there was no kill last night that I would attribute to either a second scumteam or a SK so it's likely that Drixx's poison doc claim isn't fake. I mean if Kraska wasn't targeted there would have only been two kills last night, which isn't much for a game this size. Also since poison is kinda related to biological weapons so there's a tie in there (though kinda tenuous).

We're probably missing a kill from the poisoner yet, so I'm guessing that the poisoner is both Kraska and that shes a SK.

Drixx would have to be a psychic to find the right player among 31 to save. (Remember, when last Night fell, we only had our one lynch, everyone else was alive.) It is likely that both Town and the Scumteam(s) have Roleblocks and Protects of some sort, and it's possible that the Poisoner did a No Kill, but we won't know until tomorrow at any rate because Poisons are delayed.

The Night 1 Poison dies Night 2, the Night 2 Poison dies Night 3, and so on.

So you're not really able to make that stretchy connection to Kraska, and it bugs me that you tried.

[Klingoncelt]

Do we even know if this game HAS a vig to shoot Nos?

Fish much?

32 players, I'd guess yes.

[Klingoncelt]

Idk if there is other support for a wagon on her, let's do it. Just seems like it's me and you.

The lack of support for an Expedience lynch tells me that Scum aren't getting on that wagon, so now I'm even more convinced that she's Scum.

Alas, if the votes aren't there that lynch won't happen today. Maybe some kind-hearted Townie will Vig her tonight or maybe we can lynch her tomorrow.

Of the others, I think Kraska's lynch will give us the most information. So I'll go there.

I'm always bemused when I see someone claiming that the reason that their favored lynch isn't going forward is because its on scum. Nevermind the fact that at least half the players are town and they obviously don't agree with you either, which would in reality make the person bringing it up the real reason for the lynch going nowhere seeing as how they're the one failing to convince others that they're right in the first place.

But nope, its a conspiracy, the black helicopters are circling the thread and are forcing everyone to not take your read seriously. #Tinfoilhats

I don't actually have an opinion on Expediance, but I saw this post and immediately felt like sharing.

Thanks.

I don't think it's a black helicopter thing so much as I think dumbass Townies want to lynch everyone that won't take each Day to a hundred pages, no matter how useless the fluffposts.

Whatever. We'll lose 4 more Townies today/tonight. Go team us.

[Klingoncelt]

You have Nero as Town, what has he done?

more than you

You've made a lot more posts, but they've said a lot less.

You haven't said enough that you should be getting a solid Town read from anyone.

[Klingoncelt]

Frozen, what happened is not your fault, you need not apologize.

/Pre-in, absolutely!

[Klingoncelt]

Happy Scumday, Pisskop!

[Klingoncelt]

Happy Scumday, Cerberus v666!

[Klingoncelt]

is this prein to my code geass or new Cowboy bebop?

I want to /pre-in to both, please.