The real folk blues [Canceled]

[MathBlade]

@FA: is that kill flavor on vifam indicative of one sort of kill, or two?

Also, would vifams gunsmith have worked on the individual with the katana/explosives/biological warfare?

It indicates one kill

and no. It would only detect gun's

She said it would only detect guns.
All Mafia have guns regardless of powers.

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

[Killthestory]

HOLES

H O L E S

ay yo look at this o
tell me what u see
a hole

ay yo look at this l
tell me whatch u see
a loss

[Killthestory]

srry im making it worse

um math ur wrong because i have reasoning!!
and lets lynch a lurker!!!

[MathBlade]

Paranoid Gun Owners Have GUNS. It is in the fucking name of the role.

[RachMarie]

Was Vifam killed by a gun? I thought he was killed by a double whammy thingy which confused some folks into thinking it was a double kill?

Which is why I kinda believe Kraska's claim Why would he admit it is a 2 shot thingy if he was using it as scum to avoid being investigated? Wouldn't a scum fake claiming PGO actually go for an unlimited PGO?

Also as far as fake claiming PGO, IIRC in Mastin's game A50 fake claimed PGO and turned out to be town and helped us win the game in the end, though some of his early reads were really kinda funky.

Why are you SO SURE that Kraska's claim as PGO is bogus? And since you are so sure that those 5 on your list are scum do you see them as a team or on two different teams? Give me a logical reason for your tunneling not just those 5 are scum and I am not budging from that. We need town to work together to find the scum amongst us Math.

[SpyreX]

It literally says no.

Like this isn't a bastard game. It says no i can't even

[MathBlade]

I'm sorry MathBlade, but your theory on Kraska has too many holes in it. I can't support it at all.

No it does not.

PGOs based on their role have guns.
Kraska as a claimed PGO would have shown up as a guilty on it.
Kraska killed Vifam because he would be discovered.
Kraska is very likely not a PGO.

If a game does not follow the wiki then it is not normal.

[The Ascended Masters]

That's just not true

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66021

Look at the day 1 wagon. It was really fast. It hit scum.
There is nothing that prevents townies from voting a wagon into creation quickly. There is nothing that prevents townies from creating a scum wagon quickly. The "fast wagons are always mislynches" theory is based on scum somehow ramming through town mislynches by voting really really quickly which isn't really something that I've ever seen.

In almost every game I've played there have been wagons that formed and went through quickly. And almost every time its a mislynch.

You've played, what, 20 games? 30 games?
Drop in the bucket.
Nos lynch hasn't gone through quickly, it did almost get halfway to a lynch quickly.
And I don't know if you noticed this, but there's a shit ton of resistance.

Your argument doesn't really apply here.

[RachMarie]

Point is vifam was not killed by a gun. If the mafia killed him wouldn't he have been shot?

[MathBlade]

God if this is Wake's game all over where games don't follow the wiki I am going to scream.

Flavors are different.

Frozen Angel answered that question how they had to as a mod.

Explosives if town aligned would not show up.
Explosives if Mafia aligned would because Mafia have guns.
PGOs based on wiki have guns.

It is bastard if PGOs don't have a gun.

[The Ascended Masters]

Explosives if Mafia aligned would because Mafia have guns.

Except no because FA explicitly said that they wouldn't.
Gunsmiths being tied to kill flavor isn't incredibly unusual.

[Cerberus v666]

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First of all, the moderator can flavor the kills from a pgo however they'd like.

There is absolutely no reason why FA couldn't have a mechanical PGO that did not use a gun.

Second, a mechanical PGO DOES NOT FEAR BEING INVESTIGATED BY A GUNSMITH...because the gunsmith dies when they do so.

Third, no. Thus is a theme game. If this were an open, or a normal, youd be right...but it's not.

There is NO reason to believe that all mafia count as having guns in a game where the moderator specified thst only one of the kill flavors currently know would be detected by a gunsmith.

[MathBlade]

Let's try asking this

@Mod would a PGO regardless of kill style have a gun?
Would all Mafia have a gun regardless of kill style?

In other words is Gunsmith wiki accurate and if not please explain what a gunsmith does

[Cerberus v666]

I assure you, you are going to scream Mathblade.

[The Ascended Masters]

Second, a mechanical PGO DOES NOT FEAR BEING INVESTIGATED BY A GUNSMITH...because the gunsmith dies when they do so.

And also this.
I'm not sure why "PGO = gun" is a point of discussion.

[Cerberus v666]

In the meantime, you should imagine a world where everything you believed was wrong, and the kraska/vifam interaction is meaningless(like the rest of the fame has been doing). In that world, who do you lynch today?

[SpyreX]

This will be good i give the chances of that being answered as high as the next 10 pages being useful

[MathBlade]

If Kraska is fake claiming PGO then yes it matters. It hella matters. I am trying to establish that Kraska was afraid of the check and that she is lying about being a PGO.

[RachMarie]

Thank Cerb that is what I was about to say

sigh I think you are town Math, but you are keeping us in a turmoil here while we try to sort out the scumz.

try looking beyond just your tunnels.

[Cerberus v666]

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You're working at cross purposes here.

The mod already said the kill flavor that killed vifam would not have been detected by him.

Thus, there is no connection between his choice to investigate kraska and his death, without scum having multiple kill flavors, OR scum being really really really stupid and not asking if a gunsmith would catch them, once rhey learned one existed.

[MathBlade]

Second, a mechanical PGO DOES NOT FEAR BEING INVESTIGATED BY A GUNSMITH...because the gunsmith dies when they do so.

And also this.
I'm not sure why "PGO = gun" is a point of discussion.

All PGOs have guns. Kraska as a scum PGO who is two shot would have to turn it on. Else they would be outed.

Kraska would have shown up as having a gun because they are a scum pGO or she is lying about the PGO.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's just not true

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66021

Look at the day 1 wagon. It was really fast. It hit scum.
There is nothing that prevents townies from voting a wagon into creation quickly. There is nothing that prevents townies from creating a scum wagon quickly. The "fast wagons are always mislynches" theory is based on scum somehow ramming through town mislynches by voting really really quickly which isn't really something that I've ever seen.

In almost every game I've played there have been wagons that formed and went through quickly. And almost every time its a mislynch.

You've played, what, 20 games? 30 games?
Drop in the bucket.
Nos lynch hasn't gone through quickly, it did almost get halfway to a lynch quickly.
And I don't know if you noticed this, but there's a shit ton of resistance.

Your argument doesn't really apply here.

I've played more games than you. Nos wagon is filled with at least 3 scum and he will flip town. I'm not going to let that happen.

[MathBlade]

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You're working at cross purposes here.

The mod already said the kill flavor that killed vifam would not have been detected by him.

Thus, there is no connection between his choice to investigate kraska and his death, without scum having multiple kill flavors, OR scum being really really really stupid and not asking if a gunsmith would catch them, once rhey learned one existed.

No they answered a different question.

They said explosives are not guns.

A PGO has a gun regardless of kill style.
If Kraska is a two shot scum PGO she turned it on to avoid detection.

I do not believe Kraska's claim.

[SpyreX]

Tbf if the mod comes back and says pgos show up to gunsmiths (lol) then vifam either didnt target kraska orrrr kraska is lying based on the other mod statement

[MathBlade]

I am almost nigh on certain Vifam targeted Kraska. Very very certain.