Mini 523 - Game Over!

[Disciple Slayer]

Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (5) = 5

[Disciple Slayer]

Hahah, fail.

Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (7) = 7

[Disciple Slayer]

vote = Lord Nikon

[Disciple Slayer]

totally not scummy semi-ramdom vote: Disciple Slayer

sticking a second vote on Lord Nikon for no reason

un-official vote count

Disciple Slayer (2) charter, VampyreLord

charter (2) liamcool, Nudude

Nudude (1) Lord Nikon

Lord Nikon (2) Gorgon, Disciple Slayer

OMGUS that was a random vote and I had the dice roll to prove it.

Unvote = Lord Nikon

Vote = Vampyrelord

[Disciple Slayer]

charter, better post an explanation fast.

FOS: charter

I don't know what to think of Lord Nikon/Dark Lady Shaiann yet.

[Disciple Slayer]

Speaking of inactivity, I'm going to be away for three days.

unvote VampyreLord

[Disciple Slayer]

FOS ShotgunKitten

for voting Lord Nikon for no reason and for not talking much.

[Disciple Slayer]

Ho-hum. Need more information here.

[Disciple Slayer]

Gave Charter an FOS because I didn't like how he voted me. OMGUS voted VampyreLord. I really can't say which of the two seem more suspicious at the moment. I was waiting for Shotgun_Kitten and Lord Nikon to post before posting more.

[Disciple Slayer]

Go stuff yourself. I'm not still clinging to that. I was asked why I gave you a FOS and I explained. Give me a break.

[Disciple Slayer]

No need to be rude, DS. This is a game, have a little fun.

Sorry man, RL shit stressing me out.

[Disciple Slayer]

If not, SK's dead weight at best and I don't mind lynching her.
/quote]

Why is dead weight better than a possible townie/pro-town powah role?

[Disciple Slayer]

Above post was by deepthought, BBC messed up.

This is getting ridiculous; SK is single-handedly stalling the game and hasn't posted in just under a week. Replace her or modkill her or something.

See above post.

[Disciple Slayer]

I really don't like deepthought's attitude. That alone pisses me off. I tend to agree with HeH when he talks about how deepthought wanted to modkill lurkers and how he said he knew that there were three mafia in the game.

deepthought, why don't you come up with some good rebuttals instead of being an asshat about it? I'm giving you another chance. For now,

FOS deepthought

[Disciple Slayer]

Wow. Try to be a little more emo next time.

Vote: deepthought

Go to hell. I've had it with you.

[Disciple Slayer]

@Thanatos: I know what's been going down, just that most of the things I agree with and disagree with have already been posted by you, HeH, and Nudude.

@deepthought: Nice attempt to label valid arguments and suspicions as a bandwagon. Just so you know, I always vote assholes first.

[Disciple Slayer]

EBWOP:

@deepthought: Reign In Blood was awesome, but mentioning won't get you off the hook.

[Disciple Slayer]

EBWOP: mentioning it, that is.

[Disciple Slayer]

Just so you know, I always vote assholes first.

Ummmm......What? If you have a legitamate reason to vote some one, why would you mess it up by saying something retarded like this? All that means is that you would have gone after DT eventually anyway, regardless of speculations.

It means that in addition to his suspicious activities, he is also an asshole. Therefore he gets my vote.

@deepthought: Nice attempt to label valid arguments and suspicions as a bandwagon.

Did you forget to post them or something?

Did I forget? No. Did the others post them already? Yes. Nice try at skirting the issue.

[Disciple Slayer]

unvote

Cool it, kiddos. I don't want a lynch on the first day. I want more time to think. If nothing else,

get a roleclaim out of him

before you kill. (and frankly, I think it's too soon for that as well)

It's not that Deepthought hasn't done alot to make me suspicious, but this is moving way too fast.

Actually, I think that is a good idea.

DT, what role are you, exactly? I want you to roleclaim. I think others do too.

[Disciple Slayer]

unvote

How in the world did we get such a belligerent doc? Hahah, unvote for now.

[Disciple Slayer]

I can't believe I missed that first reference pic hahahahah

[Disciple Slayer]

Just so you know, I always vote assholes first.

Ummmm......What? If you have a legitamate reason to vote some one, why would you mess it up by saying something retarded like this? All that means is that you would have gone after DT eventually anyway, regardless of speculations.

It means that in addition to his suspicious activities, he is also an asshole. Therefore he gets my vote.

No....it really doesn't.

You want more clarification? Let me give you an example.

Person A and Person B are both suspicious. Person A is an asshole. Person B is not. Guess who gets my vote.

[Disciple Slayer]

unvote

How in the world did we get such a belligerent doc? Hahah, unvote for now.

Don't assume he's telling the truth.

Vote:Deepthought

L-2 is good for now. (yes, I will add and remove my vote as needed to keep it around there)

All I can say is that Doc is one of the best claims a scum can make. I want to see what happens for now.

That's why it is

unvote for now

and not simply

unvote

[Disciple Slayer]

Just so you know, I always vote assholes first.

Ummmm......What? If you have a legitamate reason to vote some one, why would you mess it up by saying something retarded like this? All that means is that you would have gone after DT eventually anyway, regardless of speculations.

It means that in addition to his suspicious activities, he is also an asshole. Therefore he gets my vote.

No....it really doesn't.

You want more clarification? Let me give you an example.

Person A and Person B are both suspicious. Person A is an asshole. Person B is not. Guess who gets my vote.

Alright......whatever. Learn to word your sentences better. Thats it. I'm not arguing about it....

Learn to understand sentences better. I hear English For Dummies is a good book to read.

[Disciple Slayer]

All I can say is that Doc is one of the best claims a scum can make. I want to see what happens for now.

No it isn't. If I were scum fishing for a safe claim I'd pick miller or bulletproof.

If it makes you feel any better, I was considering claiming cop to draw out the real one and fuck with the town but thought better of it.

This is purely speculation.

1. Why would you want to fuck with the town?

2. If you were thinking about falsely claiming cop, wouldn't that also mean you can make a false doc claim? How much percent accurate is your doc claim, DT?

[Disciple Slayer]

Just so you know, I always vote assholes first.

Ummmm......What? If you have a legitamate reason to vote some one, why would you mess it up by saying something retarded like this? All that means is that you would have gone after DT eventually anyway, regardless of speculations.

It means that in addition to his suspicious activities, he is also an asshole. Therefore he gets my vote.

No....it really doesn't.

You want more clarification? Let me give you an example.

Person A and Person B are both suspicious. Person A is an asshole. Person B is not. Guess who gets my vote.

Alright......whatever.

Learn to word your sentences better.

Thats it. I'm not arguing about it....

Learn to understand sentences better. I hear English For Dummies is a good book to read.

Whoa....now who's being an asshole?

Don't insult me and I won't insult you. Simple as that.

[Disciple Slayer]

Just so you know, I always vote assholes first.

Ummmm......What? If you have a legitamate reason to vote some one, why would you mess it up by saying something retarded like this? All that means is that you would have gone after DT eventually anyway, regardless of speculations.

It means that in addition to his suspicious activities, he is also an asshole. Therefore he gets my vote.

No....it really doesn't.

You want more clarification? Let me give you an example.

Person A and Person B are both suspicious. Person A is an asshole. Person B is not. Guess who gets my vote.

Alright......whatever.

Learn to word your sentences better.

Thats it. I'm not arguing about it....

Learn to understand sentences better. I hear English For Dummies is a good book to read.

Whoa....now who's being an asshole?

Don't insult me and I won't insult you. Simple as that.

Thats not an insult. It a possitive suggestion.

Shit like that could easily get you lynched.

Just cause I'm frustrated with you doesn't mean I'm insulting you.

In this case, you insulted me. There is no way that can be a positive suggestion. You are really getting on my nerves. I suggest you stuff a sock in it.

[Disciple Slayer]

Ok...on to other things....

How can you ask for a claim and then not believe the answer? If you don't trust him....don't ask the man questions.

Just because I ask for a claim doesn't mean I'm going to believe it right away.

Take another example, because you seem stupid tonight.

Person A claims he can walk on water. Should I believe him without seeing any proof?

[Disciple Slayer]

So far, D_L_S is winning in the craplogic category.

[Disciple Slayer]

1. Why would you want to fuck with the town?

Since you all bought into the notion that I was acting like an asshole so easily (and for the record, I still don't see why), it seemed like an appropriate gesture of thanks.

So because we try to help catch some mafia and defend the town by investigating suspects, you want to fuck with us?

If you were thinking about falsely claiming cop, wouldn't that also mean you can make a false doc claim? How much percent accurate is your doc claim, DT?

I provided not one, but two posts with pictoral evidence. Your witness.

I can provide pictorial evidence showing that I am, indeed, the Lord Jesus Christ and savior of mankind and it wouldn't do shit in this game. Once again, stop trying to skirt the issues at hand. Deal with it directly and don't try distractions. I still don't want to put you at L-1, but I want some good answers soon and you're not providing them.

[Disciple Slayer]

Sensative? Guess you really need English For Dummies.

Here are some steps to avoid looking like a fool on the internet.

1) Agree with Disciple Slayer

2) Repeat

Craplogic is when you say something like this:

Person A likes hotdogs. Person B does not like hotdogs. Therefore, Person A hates Person B.

In my case, it goes more like this:

Person A suspects Person B and Person C equally. However, only one vote can be made. Person A thinks Person B is an idiot, so Person B gets voted first.

How is that craplogic? Know what a word means before you use it, dumbass.

[Disciple Slayer]

And to clarify, I consider it an insult because you told me to word my sentences better when you are too stupid to understand them in the first place.

[Disciple Slayer]

@ D_L_S

Anyway, here's a hint:

Stop trying to fight with me (you'll only lose) and start putting yourself to some use by helping find scum. Unless you ARE scum.

[Disciple Slayer]

2) Who was the other scummy person we were debating about being scummy? There was no person a or person b as far as I was aware. There was just DT. Every one's attention was focused on him. Your final reason to vote him was basically because he pissed you off. What reason do we have to trust you at all if your including your emotions in this game? (keyword being game)

So fucking wrong. I'm going to have to repost this A THIRD TIME because you just don't get it. I'm going to make it in a nice big bolded font

just to make sure you understand this time

PERSON A SUSPECTS PERSON B AND PERSON C EQUALLY. PERSON B IS AN ASSHOLE, PERSON C IS NOT. PERSON B GETS VOTED FIRST.

I note how D_L_S constantly tries to twist what I say into something false. That is an indication of being very, very scummy indeed.

And the part about DT being the only suspect, I'm pretty sure people were suspecting Liamcool as well.

DT+Liamcool+D_L_S = MAFIA?

DT seems like he was on his way down before pulling a doc claim. Liamcool jumped on the DT bandwagon for no apparent reason, possibly to draw suspicion off him. Add D_L_S attempting to draw attention off Liamcool and DT by trying to twist my words to a completely different meaning, and maybe we've got something here. Maybe not. But I definitely want one of the three of them investigated during Night 1.

Her word twisting reeks of scum.

P.S. To my experience, people slip up most when they're agitated and post without thinking. It's my personal scum-hunting technique.

[Disciple Slayer]

Liamcool: He fits the bill of a Scum Lurker pretty perfectly. He's here, but not often, and his posts don't accomplish much. And trying to get people to kill the Lurkers is odd, to say the least. If the DT bandwagon dies, I'll look at him next.

The above is post 136, thus proving you wrong when you said no one was suspecting Liamcool before today.

[Disciple Slayer]

You want more clarification? Let me give you an example.

Person A and Person B are both suspicious. Person A is an asshole. Person B is not. Guess who gets my vote.

At the time nobody was voting for liamcool and as far as I can tell nobody had even cast an FoS at him.

How is my example related to Liamcool? It was a clarification on why I voted for idiots first.

[Disciple Slayer]

I also don't understand why you need to resort to ad hominem attacks. Is it because your arguments aren't logical? Do you feel that name calling and big bold fonts change that fact? They don't. DLS is making far more sense than you in this debate.

To my experience, people slip up most when they're agitated and post without thinking. It's my personal scum-hunting technique.

In my opinion this applies far more to you than to DLS. She's been keeping her cool and responding calmly -- in that respect you should follow her example.

So far all she's done in response to me is twist my words far beyond their original meaning. How's that making sense?

[Disciple Slayer]

Because I was already suspicious of deepthroat. I would have voted for him even if he wasn't a douche, but his assholeness just sealed the lid on the coffin. I used an example of two people because you wanted to know how I vote in relation to assholeness, and my examples showed that it is never a deciding factor, just the little needed to determine who I'd vote for when I suspect two people equally.

In the game, I don't suspect two people equally. I suspect deepthroat a lot more than Liamcool, but I'm hesitant about deepthroat's doc claim, thus my unvote on him. You need to make more posts like the one I'm replying to, instead of nonsensical ones that try to twist the points I am trying to make.

[Disciple Slayer]

I also don't understand why you need to resort to ad hominem attacks. Is it because your arguments aren't logical? Do you feel that name calling and big bold fonts change that fact? They don't. DLS is making far more sense than you in this debate.

To my experience, people slip up most when they're agitated and post without thinking. It's my personal scum-hunting technique.

In my opinion this applies far more to you than to DLS. She's been keeping her cool and responding calmly -- in that respect you should follow her example.

So far all she's done in response to me is twist my words far beyond their original meaning. How's that making sense?

Yeah...twisted them in a way every one else understands......

You just admitted to twisting them. Wouldn't a pro-town player want to clarify, rather than twist? Twisting is very scummy.

FOS DLS

[Disciple Slayer]

Because I was already suspicious of deepthroat. I would have voted for him even if he wasn't a douche, but his assholeness just sealed the lid on the coffin. I used an example of two people because you wanted to know how I vote in relation to assholeness, and my examples showed that it is never a deciding factor, just the little needed to determine who I'd vote for when I suspect two people equally.

In the game, I don't suspect two people equally. I suspect deepthroat a lot more than Liamcool, but I'm hesitant about deepthroat's doc claim, thus my unvote on him. You need to make more posts like the one I'm replying to, instead of nonsensical ones that try to twist the points I am trying to make.

Ok....thats all fine and dandy, but wouldn't it be common sense to just give me the real story instead of screaming scenarios at me that make no sense when compared to this situation? Obviously the examples weren't doing it for me, and it had nothing to do with my comprehension of English, but your inability to see that your example is completely null and void. All in all, it still doesn't really excuse your "I vote assholes first" statement.

And obviously it is a deciding factor if you use it to decide who to vote for, no matter the situation. So... like I said: Learn to word your sentences better.

You couldn't seem to understand it, so I gave you examples pertaining to my playing style. It's not a deciding factor because it doesn't play a huge role in determining my vote.

Like I said before, learn to understand English better.

[Disciple Slayer]

I also don't understand why you need to resort to ad hominem attacks. Is it because your arguments aren't logical? Do you feel that name calling and big bold fonts change that fact? They don't. DLS is making far more sense than you in this debate.

To my experience, people slip up most when they're agitated and post without thinking. It's my personal scum-hunting technique.

In my opinion this applies far more to you than to DLS. She's been keeping her cool and responding calmly -- in that respect you should follow her example.

So far all she's done in response to me is twist my words far beyond their original meaning. How's that making sense?

Yeah...twisted them in a way every one else understands......

You just admitted to twisting them. Wouldn't a pro-town player want to clarify, rather than twist? Twisting is very scummy.

FOS DLS

I think I'm actually speechless for once.......

Because you slipped up?

[Disciple Slayer]

*Sigh* Children, please. Do either of you really think this conversation is useful for catching scum?

DLS seems to like provoking me.

[Disciple Slayer]

Vote Count

deepthought (4)

- Nudude, liamcool, Thanatos, charter,
liamcool (2) - Gorgon, Hang'em High
Dark_Lady_Shaiann (1)- Lord Nikon
Disciple Slayer (1) - VampyreLord
Shotgun_Kitten (1) - deepthought

Not Voting (3) - Infinitive, Dark_Lady_Shaiann, Disciple Slayer,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

I also don't understand why you need to resort to ad hominem attacks. Is it because your arguments aren't logical? Do you feel that name calling and big bold fonts change that fact? They don't. DLS is making far more sense than you in this debate.

To my experience, people slip up most when they're agitated and post without thinking. It's my personal scum-hunting technique.

In my opinion this applies far more to you than to DLS. She's been keeping her cool and responding calmly -- in that respect you should follow her example.

So far all she's done in response to me is twist my words far beyond their original meaning. How's that making sense?

Yeah...twisted them in a way every one else understands......

You just admitted to twisting them. Wouldn't a pro-town player want to clarify, rather than twist? Twisting is very scummy.

FOS DLS

I think I'm actually speechless for once.......

Because you slipped up?

Hell no. Because you look so

unbeivably

desperate right now.

You're actually trying to cover up your slip by labeling me as "desperate"?

Unbeivably? I knew it.

[Disciple Slayer]

Disciple Slayer

- During the asshole-wagon, interjects just often enough to not be lurking but not often enough to be noticed, and without any substance beyond "I need more info" or "I'm confused, check back later". Jumps on the bandwagon claiming my attitude is "pissing him off" despite the fact that he hasn't actually interacted with anyone in a meaningful way, after it's becomes clear that the wagon is a safe bet, but not before testing the waters with an FoS that he can't be held accountable for. My #2 pick.

I didn't really interact with anyone in the beginning because HeH already said what I was going to say. It's not a bandwagon if everyone has valid suspicions. Come on, man. You can do better than that. You sure you the doc?

[Disciple Slayer]

Because I was already suspicious of deepthroat. I would have voted for him even if he wasn't a douche, but his assholeness just sealed the lid on the coffin. I used an example of two people because you wanted to know how I vote in relation to assholeness, and my examples showed that it is never a deciding factor, just the little needed to determine who I'd vote for when I suspect two people equally.

In the game, I don't suspect two people equally. I suspect deepthroat a lot more than Liamcool, but I'm hesitant about deepthroat's doc claim, thus my unvote on him. You need to make more posts like the one I'm replying to, instead of nonsensical ones that try to twist the points I am trying to make.

Ok....thats all fine and dandy, but wouldn't it be common sense to just give me the real story instead of screaming scenarios at me that make no sense when compared to this situation? Obviously the examples weren't doing it for me, and it had nothing to do with my comprehension of English, but your inability to see that your example is completely null and void. All in all, it still doesn't really excuse your "I vote assholes first" statement.

And obviously it is a deciding factor if you use it to decide who to vote for, no matter the situation. So... like I said: Learn to word your sentences better.

You couldn't seem to understand it, so I gave you examples pertaining to my playing style. It's not a deciding factor because it doesn't play a huge role in determining my vote.

Like I said before, learn to understand English better.

Understand what? All you gave me were examples that had nothing to do with what was going on. How am I supposed to understand that when compared to the situation?

Ok...now you are contridicting yourself. You announced to the whole game that you always vote assholes first, but now you say it's not a deciding factor. The deciding factor is the last thing that goes through your mind before you vote some one and if it's "Hey that dude is an asshole" then it is the deciding factor. The fact that it's "rarely used' (which is hard to believe) doesn't make it any less of a deciding factor.

I said I voted assholes first because deepthroat was being an asshole, then I clarified by giving you examples when you asked me how voting for assholes related to my playing style.

You are wrong about deciding factors. Deciding factors are incriminating evidence. Attitude is not incriminating evidence. Craplogic again, GG and get stuffed.

[Disciple Slayer]

*Sigh* Children, please. Do either of you really think this conversation is useful for catching scum?

DLS seems to like provoking me.

Provoking you to do what? Tell the truth? You make no sense.

It's obvious that you're trying to provoke me with stupid arguments and ignoring my replies.

[Disciple Slayer]

*Sigh* Children, please. Do either of you really think this conversation is useful for catching scum?

DLS seems to like provoking me.

Provoking you to do what? Tell the truth? You make no sense.

Maybe if we had a little bit of input from some other people, this problem could be resolved a bit faster. I never stopped scum searching, I just zeroed in on DS. If some one gives me a good enough reason to back off, I will......

I'm Disciple Slayer. You can't out-argue me. That's reason enough.

[Disciple Slayer]

Why don't the both of you just drop it and move on?

Or, as GlaDOS would say, "I'll use lasers to draw a line across the game and DS can live in one half and DLS in the other. You don't have to like each other or even talk to each other if you don't feel like it."

Then I get to kill you both with a deadly nurotoxin. Fun times. Fun times.

(The killing was a Portal Reference, not a Mafia one, just in case.)

I'll drop it if she promises to be a good little girl and behaves instead of acting like an illogical whiny bitch.

[Disciple Slayer]

Of course I'm the bigger man. She's a woman.

I'm going to leave it for now, but if she posts something stupid again, rest assured I'm going to go after her for it.

[Disciple Slayer]

Final note: DLS never explained her slip when she freely admitted to twisting my words and completely changing what I meant.

[Disciple Slayer]

Vote Count

deepthought (4)

- Nudude, liamcool, Thanatos, charter,
liamcool (2) - Gorgon, Hang'em High
Dark_Lady_Shaiann (1)- Lord Nikon
Disciple Slayer (1) - VampyreLord
Shotgun_Kitten (1) - deepthought

Not Voting (3) - Infinitive, Dark_Lady_Shaiann, Disciple Slayer,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Final note: DLS never explained her slip when she freely admitted to twisting my words and completely changing what I meant.

Thats not a slip.....you just must not be familiar with sarcasm. Thats why I'm speechless. And the only reason why I said it is because HeH said I was making more sense.

Sarcasm = scum tell

[Disciple Slayer]

Because I was already suspicious of deepthroat. I would have voted for him even if he wasn't a douche, but his assholeness just sealed the lid on the coffin. I used an example of two people because you wanted to know how I vote in relation to assholeness, and my examples showed that it is never a deciding factor, just the little needed to determine who I'd vote for when I suspect two people equally.

In the game, I don't suspect two people equally. I suspect deepthroat a lot more than Liamcool, but I'm hesitant about deepthroat's doc claim, thus my unvote on him. You need to make more posts like the one I'm replying to, instead of nonsensical ones that try to twist the points I am trying to make.

Ok....thats all fine and dandy, but wouldn't it be common sense to just give me the real story instead of screaming scenarios at me that make no sense when compared to this situation? Obviously the examples weren't doing it for me, and it had nothing to do with my comprehension of English, but your inability to see that your example is completely null and void. All in all, it still doesn't really excuse your "I vote assholes first" statement.

And obviously it is a deciding factor if you use it to decide who to vote for, no matter the situation. So... like I said: Learn to word your sentences better.

You couldn't seem to understand it, so I gave you examples pertaining to my playing style. It's not a deciding factor because it doesn't play a huge role in determining my vote.

Like I said before, learn to understand English better.

Understand what? All you gave me were examples that had nothing to do with what was going on. How am I supposed to understand that when compared to the situation?

Ok...now you are contridicting yourself. You announced to the whole game that you always vote assholes first, but now you say it's not a deciding factor. The deciding factor is the last thing that goes through your mind before you vote some one and if it's "Hey that dude is an asshole" then it is the deciding factor. The fact that it's "rarely used' (which is hard to believe) doesn't make it any less of a deciding factor.

I said I voted assholes first because deepthroat was being an asshole, then I clarified by giving you examples when you asked me how voting for assholes related to my playing style.

You are wrong about deciding factors. Deciding factors are incriminating evidence. Attitude is not incriminating evidence. Craplogic again, GG and get stuffed.

OK.....your still contradicting yourself. I don't care about how the examples reflect your play style, I care about how they reflect the game....and they don't. Thats one part of my point. The other part is, that you vote people for being assholes. You admitted it. Whether or not it goes along with how scummy you think they are, the point is that you use it as a factor to vote some one. If you didn't......you wouldn't say it.

The question is: Do you, Disciple Slayer, vote people because they are assholes.
The answer is: Yes......

in certain situations

, but the answer is still yes.

Then don't ask how it reflects on my playing style.

[Disciple Slayer]

I would like to move for this whole hissy fit being stricken from the record.

I would like to move that other people participate.

Is the line "I vote assholes first"

a) suspicious
b) unnecessary
c) retarded
d) all of the above

Is D_L_S having PMS?

a) yes
b) yes
c) yes
d) all of the above

[Disciple Slayer]

I guess I just have a problem with how DT can almost get lynched for saying the word modkill, but no one else even lifts an eyebrow when DS talks about lynching assholes......

Way to twist my words again. I don't vote for someone purely because he is an asshole. DT wasn't about to be lynched just for saying the word modkill either, he WANTED people to get modkilled. Add that to his scummy behavior and you've got yourself a suspect.

[Disciple Slayer]

I would like to move for this whole hissy fit being stricken from the record.

I would like to move that other people participate.

Is the line "I vote assholes first"

a) suspicious
b) unnecessary
c) retarded
d) all of the above

To be fair, that's not what he said. He said, if it came down to two people who he wanted to vote for, one who he liked, one who he didn't, and both were suspicious to him, he'd vote for the one he didn't like. Not a really effective way of divining the truth, but it's to be expected.

Thank you, Thanatos. You see what DLS has failed to see (or is purposely ignoring) all this time.

[Disciple Slayer]

I'm going to leave it for now, but if she posts something stupid again, rest assured I'm going to go after her for it.

Over/under on the number of times DS obsessively checks the thread after he says he's leaving: 9.

Takers?

How many times do I have to tell people? Being an asshole to me won't work. I'm fine until people start PMSing.

Vote: deepthroat

[Disciple Slayer]

I would like to move for this whole hissy fit being stricken from the record.

I would like to move that other people participate.

Is the line "I vote assholes first"

a) suspicious
b) unnecessary
c) retarded
d) all of the above

To be fair, that's not what he said. He said, if it came down to two people who he wanted to vote for, one who he liked, one who he didn't, and both were suspicious to him, he'd vote for the one he didn't like. Not a really effective way of divining the truth, but it's to be expected.

Ok, but, to also be fair, thats not what he said first, and that isn't what is going on here.....

What would be

your

twisted definition of what's going on here then?

[Disciple Slayer]

Basically...DS is getting away with everything DT was just about to get lynched for. I don't think thats fair.......

Wrong. So wrong. Another twisted interpretation from DLS.

Confirm FOS: DLS

[Disciple Slayer]

Theme song of Dark_Lady_Shaiann

[Disciple Slayer]

I never asked for how that example reflects your playing style, I never even asked you for an example. You just gave me a random one that had nothing to do with our situation, and then got even more upset with me because I couldn't 'understand' it. Hell no I couldn't understand it. I couldn't understand what the Hell you were talking about cause it had nothing to do with the situation. Your example is worthless.

Not only that, you keep going back and forth about whether or not you use the fact that people are asshole's to decide if you will vote them. Either you do or you don't. Stop going back and forth. You admitted it once (which is what started this whole argument) but now your trying to make it seem like you don't...... DT being an asshole was the last observation you made when you voted him. Which means him being an asshole was the DECIDING FACTOR. It is what made you DECIDE to vote him. Regardless of previous scummy behavior, him being an asshole is what put you over the edge. Isn't that true? Isn't that basically what you said in the post where you voted him?

Just so you know, I always vote assholes first.

Ummmm......What? If you have a legitamate reason to vote some one, why would you mess it up by saying something retarded like this? All that means is that you would have gone after DT eventually anyway, regardless of speculations.

It means that in addition to his suspicious activities, he is also an asshole. Therefore he gets my vote.

No....it really doesn't.

You want more clarification? Let me give you an example.

Person A and Person B are both suspicious. Person A is an asshole. Person B is not. Guess who gets my vote.

Alright......whatever. Learn to word your sentences better. Thats it. I'm not arguing about it....

This was where it all started. Note how your entire post was just invalidated by the stuff I quoted. It's obvious you're hurting and have a personal vendetta against me, so I'm going to reiterate what I said before.

GET STUFFED

Or raped in a dark alleyway.

[Disciple Slayer]

I don't know what the Hell kind of arguing you think your doing, but all it is is bullying and name calling. I don't know how you expect to win like that. I was on my high school debate team for all 4 years, and we rarely lost a match. There is no way in Hell I'm going to back down from your immature rantings.

I was on my high school cheerleading squad for all four years, too. I also won seven Olympic gold medals for online debating. My point: claims on the internet without proof don't count for shit. Show me why you were on the high school debate team for four years. Did they teach you to get involved in stupid, useless arguments while ignoring the real stuff? Or is it simply a tactic to draw attention away from the things that matter? Very, very scummy.

CONFIRM FOS: DLS

[Disciple Slayer]

@ DLS

This game needs to be renamed mini flamefest 523. I grow tired of it. I'll stop the useless junk right here if you stop being a major PMSing bag of douche. If you foolishly decide to continue, it will be to your own misfortune.

You can start with "I'm sorry, Disciple Slayer".

[Disciple Slayer]

I just offered truce on my side. The ball's in DLS's court.

[Disciple Slayer]

1) His final reason to vote for DT was because he was an asshole.
2) The example he gave me pertaining to his asshole comment is in no way relevent to this situation.

If you agree with those 2 major points, then there is nothing else to talk about.

1) Wrong. I voted for deepthroat because of his scumminess, not because he was an asshole. His assholeness was icing on the cake.
2) Wrong. You twisted what I said so I clarified.

[Disciple Slayer]

That's over with, let the game continue. DLS, need some midol? Or do you now realize what a retard you are for trying to argue with me.

[Disciple Slayer]

Vote Count

deepthought (5)

- Nudude, liamcool, Thanatos, charter, Disciple Slayer
liamcool (2) - Gorgon, Hang'em High
Dark_Lady_Shaiann (1)- Lord Nikon
Disciple Slayer (1) - VampyreLord
Shotgun_Kitten (1) - deepthought

Not Voting (2) - Infinitive, Dark_Lady_Shaiann,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Or raped in a dark alleyway.

Ok, That was WAY, WAY, WAY out of line.

I call for him to be replaced on grounds of offensive speech. You just don't say stuff like that. You might as well have callled her a N**** as far as I care.

He was way out of line the first time he called me out of name. I don't give a fuck now. Let the bitch stay.

As a final note, I find your craplogic cheek to be most contemptible. Very well, hostilities between us shall cease.

@People who haven't posted in a while:

What do you think about deepthroat claiming doc? Do you still think he's the prime suspect, or should we unvote and move on?

[Disciple Slayer]

Oh, and one more thing: Who's deepthroat? You have said that a few times. I'm wondering if it's on purpose or not.

Deep Throat was the FBI source that leaked information ultimately blowing up into the Watergate scandal, the implication being that I've uncovered DS and his scumbuddies and he's trying to cover his tracks.

If I had to snap the ball right this minute I'd say Infinitive, DS, and liamcool, so

vote Infinitive

Can you explain why Infinitive, myself, and liamcool are your mafia suspects? Also, why did you vote Infinitive?

[Disciple Slayer]

What do you think about deepthroat claiming doc? Do you still think he's the prime suspect, or should we unvote and move on?

This looks scummy to me. If

you

think DT is still your prime suspect, keep your vote on him. If you want to look elsewhere, look elsewhere, and try to actually scumhunt instead of bickering with people over useless sh*t and throwing ad hominem attacks left and right. Don't ask other people who you should be looking at; it just looks like you're looking for the next wagon to hop onto.

FOS: Disciple Slayer

That is why my vote is still on him. Does it look like I unvoted? I wanted to know what the rest of you thought after the shitstorm of fail.

[Disciple Slayer]

... except the reason he did that might easily be that he realised that he wasn't actually throwing down the hammer ...

Or, more likely, he screwed up just like he said and realized the mistake.

IMO it really has no bearing on whether he's scum or not - both scum and townies goof up sometimes, and while scum would certainly be more likely to panic and provide a windy explanation, I don't see someone lying about having a bad weekend at the D&D convention.

It's a coinflip.

Possible connection between Infinitive and deepthought noted.

[Disciple Slayer]

Don't get me wrong, he's still scummier than a septic tank (since charter is some sort of tree-hugger that doesn't like algae metaphors); there are just better reasons.

You should come vote for him.

Throwing out a WIFOM? Another scumtell, imo.

Confirm vote: deepthought

[Disciple Slayer]

@DT

Why'd you change your avatar to that of a doctor? Your old one was a scum avatar, wasn't it? Is this to try and convince us that you are indeed the doc?

@everyone else

When DT first claimed doc, I was initially unwilling to vote him. However, consider this scenario. I am inclined to believe it.

DT is mafia. He claimed doc hoping that the real doc counterclaims. Once someone else counterclaims, the mafia kills the real doc at night. DT may be lynched, but existing mafia voting for him will have suspicion taken off them for putting votes on DT early.

One thing went wrong, though. The real doc, who probably is smart, didn't counterclaim and/or is inactive. This leaves the mafia no option but to switch their votes to someone else. I don't have time to browse through the beginning of the thread, but people who voted for DT early then pulled it off should be viewed as suspects.

I continue to believe that deepthroat's doc claim is false. He admitted to thinking about fucking with the town and claiming cop, which puts him in a fallacious mindset. If he could do a fake cop claim, he can do a fake doc claim.

[Disciple Slayer]

EBWOP: deepTHOUGHT not deepthroat goddammit

[Disciple Slayer]

If we don't lynch him and he survives the night, it could mean one of two things.

1) DT is mafia

2) DT is town, and the mafia killed someone else to throw suspicion on him and possibly setting him up for a lynch on D2.

[Disciple Slayer]

Just wondering, Thanatos. Why would you want to have him killed tomorrow if we don't lynch him and he survives?

[Disciple Slayer]

EBWOP: deepTHOUGHT not deepthroat goddammit

Oh, dear.

Don't you have anything to say in defense of yourself?

[Disciple Slayer]

Don't you have anything to say in defense of yourself?

Did you think the other 11 players were conspiring to misspell my name or something?

That post made no sense. Once again, you're trying to avoid the issues at hand.

[Disciple Slayer]

So, in all the posts where you quoted something from me, you didn't notice the big bold "originally posted by" headers either?

If your goal is to confuse me, it's certainly working. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[Disciple Slayer]

Vote Count

deepthought (5)

- Nudude, liamcool, Thanatos, charter, Disciple Slayer
liamcool (2) - Gorgon, Hang'em High
Dark_Lady_Shaiann (1)- Lord Nikon
Disciple Slayer (1) - VampyreLord
Infinitive (1) - deepthought

Not Voting (2) - Infinitive, Dark_Lady_Shaiann,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

@DT

Why'd you change your avatar to that of a doctor? Your old one was a scum avatar, wasn't it? Is this to try and convince us that you are indeed the doc?

@everyone else

When DT first claimed doc, I was initially unwilling to vote him. However, consider this scenario. I am inclined to believe it.

DT is mafia. He claimed doc hoping that the real doc counterclaims. Once someone else counterclaims, the mafia kills the real doc at night. DT may be lynched, but existing mafia voting for him will have suspicion taken off them for putting votes on DT early.

One thing went wrong, though. The real doc, who probably is smart, didn't counterclaim and/or is inactive. This leaves the mafia no option but to switch their votes to someone else. I don't have time to browse through the beginning of the thread, but people who voted for DT early then pulled it off should be viewed as suspects.

I continue to believe that deepthroat's doc claim is false. He admitted to thinking about fucking with the town and claiming cop, which puts him in a fallacious mindset. If he could do a fake cop claim, he can do a fake doc claim.

I'd like to present a hypothetical.

DT is mafia who role claimed to save his neck, and possibly lure out the doc. The doc doesn't take the bait and doesn't counter claim.

He knows that the townies won't know the real doc, but the scum will, and he will die. Instead, knowing that if DT isn't lynched or NK D1, his guilt will be apparent in D2 anyway, no need for the real doc to stick his neck out.

I daresay this is why we haven't had a counter - claim yet.

DS brings up a good point, it is a perfectly reasonable mafia play to leave DT alive IF he is doc, as we are going to be mighty suspicious of him D2, where we will likely be forced to lynch him anyway.

I like how me and a psychologist came to the same conclusion. I can be a psychologist too!

[Disciple Slayer]

The whole discussion's moot if the town lynches me day 1 - we're talking about what the scum and cop can be expected to do if I'm still alive and what the ramifications would be.

You think the cop should investigate me; I don't.

You're trying incredibly hard to be dense.

Because you know if he investigates you, he'll find out you're scum? Or now that your gambit to find the real doc has failed, are you trying to find the cop for a NK?

[Disciple Slayer]

Just don't go and slit your wrists after I cardflip, because I picked the "under" on the number of people that'll ultimately get replaced out of this game and it'll throw me off.

You sure like using reverse psychology, eh? In my experience, reverse psychologists are either newbies or scum in disguise.

Thanatos, your plan is good, but it's got too many factors we can't control. What if the cop isn't sane? We could get a wrong result. Cops usually should only come forward after they figure out what their sanity is, otherwise they could just be spreading misinformation.

First, we need to establish whether DT is pro-town or anti-town. His actions so far haven't been beneficial to the town. There's a big chance that he's scum. Or he could be a serial killer, for all we know.

Even if we lynch DT and he turns out to be a plain ol' vanilla townie, he deserves to die for risking the real doc counterclaiming and the mafia killing the real doc. If he's really the doctor, he wasn't doing a very good job anyway by drawing attention to himself in a negative way, resulting in a roleclaim that shouldn't have come this early. He might have ended up protecting scum from a vig, since he seems like a relatively new player. If he is mafia or a serial killer, well and good.

Unless DT is really the cop, which might explain why he doesn't want Thanatos' plan of investigating him to push through. He claimed doc because he thought it gave him better chances of survival, which once again is dangerous because the real doc could have exposed himself and counterclaimed, leaving him open to a NK.

No matter what role DT may be, his actions were not beneficial to the town. I read him as either a serial killer or scum. This is why I continue to push for a DT lynch on D1.

Confirm vote: deepthought

[Disciple Slayer]

Num, can you confirm if cops have varying sanities in this game?

[Disciple Slayer]

Also seeking prods on inactive players

[Disciple Slayer]

[I don't think we're going to kill you tonight.

By not killing you, the scum has two options. (assuming you're town)

Hmmm. Don't quite know what to make of this.

I'd like to hear a bit more from DLS and HeH. What do you think guys?

Sounds like a plan. It's funny how DLS posted so rapidly during the shitstorm, but now that things are getting serious she posts nothing at all. Her selective posting is noted.

The cop, whoever it is, should investigate liamcool if DT gets lynched, and vice versa if the opposite happens. Doesn't mean he has to come forward with the info, but one of the two should definitely be investigated.

@DT

Are you and liamcool partners in crime? Are you setting it up so that if one of you gets lynched and turns up mafia, suspicion on the other will lessen due to your blatant fingering of each other?

[Disciple Slayer]

It's not funny, it's natural. I said my 2 cents earlier about DT, and then the thread slowed down and I didn't have a reason to be here every 5 seconds.......

Anyway....

I'm thinking of a few worst case scenarios for these plans that people have thought up as far as the cop investigating DT. I'm not completely sure if these have been covered or not, if so forgive me. Normally when I do try to read and catch up I'm at work where I am a receptionist and every time some one comes through the door I have to close everything. So I sometimes forget where I was and start some where else. So......

1) What if we don't have a cop? If silence means that DT is town, and we don't have a cop, that doesn't really prove anything.

2) What if DT is mafia pretending to be doctor, and one of his scum buddies decides to pretend to be cop and clears him. Then what happens? We wait a few game days and wait for one of them to get NKed and if they don't then we kill them off ourselves?

1) Just because no one is counterclaiming doc doesn't mean he's automatically town. I think the real doc's just being smart and laying low.

2) In that case, the real cop will have to counterclaim. If two scum roleclaim and try to support each other like that, it should be easy to tell and they'll get lynched pretty quickly. The roleblocker, if there is one, will know who to block, too.

[Disciple Slayer]

You know what I think. He's bluffing.

[Disciple Slayer]

I think he's bluffing too.

Problem is, as I go back and read some of his posts since he claimed doc, I'm getting a weird read off of him. I don't want to say anything right now because it goes against everything I've said thusfar in the game, but I just wanna give people the heads up that i need time to stew for a bit.

I'm pretty sure he's not doc tho.

Infinitive, I think everyone would like to know your read of DT. Don't withhold information from us. Spit it out, man. We want to know what you think.

[Disciple Slayer]

@Infinitive, DLS

Just noting that it's 17 pages into D1 and you still aren't voting for anyone.

[Disciple Slayer]

stuff

You seem to have avoided talking about me altogether (aside from "Thanatos is slightly scummier than DT"), and surely you realize this looks like you trying to avoid a bandwagon you know is going to turn sour at the end of the day.

I propose a trade: you tell everyone what exactly you think of me and why, and I'll expand my case against liamcool.

Try expanding your case against liamcool. You're already in a bad position. I also like how you keep labeling the truckload of valid suspicions against you a "bandwagon".

[Disciple Slayer]

@Infinitive

Interesting idea, but it sounds too out-of-this-world. I didn't think of that and I doubt DT did either. My money's still on him being mafia.

@VL

Your case against Thanatos is waaay weaker than the current one against DT. Are you just afraid to put DT at L-1?

Also, don't make me hunt through 18 pages and a shitstorm of fail to quote you why I voted DT. You were inactive, so get reading.

[Disciple Slayer]

Come to think of it, why are people afraid of putting DT at L-1 and hammering him? Here's a list of the people who aren't voting for DT.

Gorgon
HeH
VL
Infinitive
DLS

Tell me why you aren't voting for DT when he's the prime suspect of this game. Tell me what you think of him, in-depth. Give us some information to work with. Unless, that is, you're scum and you want to withhold information from us.

Requesting prod on HeH

[Disciple Slayer]

I like the way I got called out for being slightly inactive, and then when I contributed no one commented on it...... Even if my post was a bit 'out there' I still feel it deserves some type of acknowledgment and a constructive response.

What you said was already said by myself and others a million and one times.

Yet, I still think DT will give us the most information for a day 1 kill.

Lynching townies "for information" is kind of silly, I'd say.

Still, if that's that, give me a chance to put together a post sometime tomorrow with some added thoughts.

That's precisely my point. I don't think you're a townie.

[Disciple Slayer]

Sure.

It's not lynching townies, for me.

Both you and Liam could be scum. You're more of a gamble, yes, but you also hit more scummy, so it balances.

In the end, though, I think I'll understand the situation of this game better (basicly, our reactions to you are FAR more interesting than our reactions to Liam) so that made me more confident in you being the correct lynch.

If you are Town, I'm sorry, but I made up my mind, and I'll just have to live with it.

What Thanatos said. The only way my mind will be changed about lynching you is if the real doc counterclaims. Hint to real doc: DO NOT COUNTERCLAIM. IT IS A TRAP.

[Disciple Slayer]

I remember you saying several times you don't mind lynching a townie if their dead weight....god forbid we lynch a townie to get some more information and insight (and that's assuming your town, which I doubt).

You're trying to equate two distinct arguments. One says "lynching townies is okay insofar as you miss sometimes when you pick the people most likely to be scum" and one says "lynching townies is okay as long as it gives us information".

And even if you don't see the distinction (I don't feel like bickering around it with you, so do whatever you want), there remains the point that you don't lynch claimed common-strain power roles on day 1 without any counterclaims because

1) Lynching power roles is really dumb, and

2) Assuming you have a fakeclaim, the scum making it is on a short leash until the real <whatever> decides to roleclaim, dies, or is otherwise outed and the town has a nigh-confirmed scum.

Hence all of the early "I'll take my vote off of SK if she claims a power role" talk - on day 1 you take those claims as true until competing evidence pops up.

Anywho, I'd probably still push Infinitive and liamcool, with a few notes on other players:

Jury's out on Insurgent, Thanatos, and DLS. The other points about Thanatos I posted are still relevant, but he's also had just enough out-of-whack ideas lately to be worth keeping an eye on.

Re: DS, one limitation on "too obvious" arguments is that they only work once - you're looking at how players act when they're not on notice and whether their behavior changes in order to allay suspicion, not a blind aggregate of all their posts. DS, for example, begins the game playing mute in the wings, starts tirading immediately after I call him out, and now really really really wants me dead. I'm more concerned with VL's wacky vote that he knows he can't be held accountable for and I'd pick him first, but for many intents and purposes they're interchangeable.

I was going to go more in-depth on a few others, but the two of you that would actually read any of it are smart enough to figure it out. The rest of you, after you play a few more games, will start to see the distinction between calling people out for being wrong and being insulting, and will hopefully get more comfortable stepping back and considering arguments outside your narrow starting assumptions.

Good game; no hard feelings.

Good riddance.

[Disciple Slayer]

That was a good example of HOW NOT TO BE A DOCTOR. Jeez. Let this be a lesson to everyone.

I've got a lot of work to do, will post after it's all done.

[Disciple Slayer]

Alright, I'm back. First off, my defense.

[Disciple Slayer]

Disciple Slayer: For someone who's posted so frequently, I can find very little to any of his posts aside from bluster or accusations that are based on things other people have already said. This is someone who, I feel, is not really helping the scumhunt. It's worth looking at him. To paraphrase Darth Vader, I find his lack of content disturbing.

Arguments were made against DT, and I supported them. You may think I bluster a lot, but it's part of my playing style. Scum tend to slip up when confronted by enough bluster. I also made quite a few possible scenarios.

[Disciple Slayer]

Vote Count

Thanatos (1) - Gorgon

Not Voting (8) - Dark_Lady_Shaiann, Thanatos, Disciple Slayer, liamcool, Infinitive, Nudude, VampyreLord, charter

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Second up is Disciple Slayer:

vote = Lord Nikon

charter, better post an explanation fast.
FOS: charter
I don't know what to think of Lord Nikon/Dark Lady Shaiann yet.

Speaking of inactivity, I'm going to be away for three days.
unvote VampyreLord

FOS ShotgunKitten for voting Lord Nikon for no reason and for not talking much.

Ho-hum. Need more information here.

Gave Charter an FOS because I didn't like how he voted me. OMGUS voted VampyreLord. I really can't say which of the two seem more suspicious at the moment. I was waiting for Shotgun_Kitten and Lord Nikon to post before posting more.

Go stuff yourself. I'm not still clinging to that. I was asked why I gave you a FOS and I explained. Give me a break.

If not, SK's dead weight at best and I don't mind lynching her.
/quote]
Why is dead weight better than a possible townie/pro-town powah role?

I really don't like deepthought's attitude. That alone pisses me off. I tend to agree with HeH when he talks about how deepthought wanted to modkill lurkers and how he said he knew that there were three mafia in the game.
deepthought, why don't you come up with some good rebuttals instead of being an asshat about it? I'm giving you another chance. For now,
FOS deepthought

Vote: deepthought
Go to hell. I've had it with you.

@deepthought: Nice attempt to label valid arguments and suspicions as a bandwagon. Just so you know, I always vote assholes first.

It means that in addition to his suspicious activities, he is also an asshole. Therefore he gets my vote.
Did I forget? No. Did the others post them already? Yes. Nice try at skirting the issue.

Actually, I think that is a good idea.
DT, what role are you, exactly? I want you to roleclaim. I think others do too.
unvote
How in the world did we get such a belligerent doc? Hahah, unvote for now.
You want more clarification? Let me give you an example.
Person A and Person B are both suspicious. Person A is an asshole. Person B is not. Guess who gets my vote.
Just because I ask for a claim doesn't mean I'm going to believe it right away.
Take another example, because you seem stupid tonight.
Person A claims he can walk on water. Should I believe him without seeing any proof?
I can provide pictorial evidence showing that I am, indeed, the Lord Jesus Christ and savior of mankind and it wouldn't do shit in this game. Once again, stop trying to skirt the issues at hand. Deal with it directly and don't try distractions. I still don't want to put you at L-1, but I want some good answers soon and you're not providing them.

FLAMEWAR EDITED OUT

As should be evident, there's very little here, compared to Thanatos' postings, despite a 3 1/2 page head start. DS seems to move around a lot, and never gives more than a little justification for any of his FOS's or Votes. From the very beginning, he seems very argumentative, almost as if he's looking to pick a fight, and when DLS finally engages him, he escalated it very quickly (though she's to blame as well for the flamewar). He repeatedly demands that we ignore distractions, while issuing a few himself.

I find this to be suspicious; it could be a scum ploy engineered to get people annoyed with him, but to also give the impression that he's being too highly reactive and thoughtless with his actions to deserve real scrutiny. Alternately, his votes, FOS's, and words speak for himself. There's very little content here for the actions he takes. I'm not sure if I think that DS is scum, but he hasn't seemed to do us much good.

As I mentioned before, it's part of my playing style. I don't move around a lot, I strongly believed that DT was scum and stuck with him with the exception of my unvote as soon as he roleclaimed doc. I put my vote on him again after a while, because I was under the impression that no doctor in his right mind would set off my scumdar like Rambo in a minefield.

What's wrong with pointing out distractions? Distractions are bad for the town. Which ones have I supposedly issued out?

I think I'm pretty damn beneficial for the town. I supported the lynch of the number one scum suspect until the end, when it turned out we were mistaken. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that DT was a horrible doc and seemed very scummy indeed.

[Disciple Slayer]

Do not prode me I am here, and I must say I'm kind of stuck on what to do. My suspicions lie on DS for reasons I have stated very long ago (yes in the flamewar >_<) but I fear every one will simply take my suspisions as me simply not liking him, (neither of which are true) and another reason for him to fight with me, something I'm sure none of you want again. So, I shall leave him alone for now, and see if I can find more effective evidence.

At this point anything I have to say will probaly have already been pointed out and I will get accused of simply agreeing with others and not producing new evidence like it seems a few others have fallen victim to. I'm going to attempt a re-read and see if I can bring something new to the table......

Are you serious? If you really believed those suspicions, why didn't you state them after the flamewar was over? Post them here. Don't pretend that you don't have the balls to do it.

Why is agreeing with others bad? Not everything has to come from you. If no one supports any arguments but the ones they themselves have presented, mafia would be a very, very long game. Post what arguments you agree with and why.

[Disciple Slayer]

Vote Count

Thanatos (1) - Gorgon
liamcool (1) - charter

Not Voting (7) - Dark_Lady_Shaiann, Thanatos, Disciple Slayer, liamcool, Infinitive, Nudude, VampyreLord

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

DLS, if you have suspicions, voice them. If nothing else, closer examination of anyone can't be bad for the town. Given the history between you two, I'd go out of my way to be polite about it tho.

I, for one, will look at any evidence or theories that anyone posts about anyone. We're in a bit of a spot at the moment, and more discussion is a good thing.

Well...I'm not gonna sugercoat it if I do find good enough evidence, if thats what you mean. I just fear if I say anything he will start arguing with me again and my points will be lost to another flame war. Which is basically how I feel he got away with everything the last time.

You better be polite. You know what's coming to you if you show up an asshat again. Blaming the weakness of your points (which you haven't even stated yet) on the flame war that YOU instigated? Jeez, give me a fucking break.

[Disciple Slayer]

And now for random thoughts. We had two kills last night. Mafia groups in Little Italy generally only have one kill per night, so we have the following possibilities below.

Two mafia groups

One mafia group, one SK

One mafia group, one vig

One mafia group, one SK, and one vig who didn't target anyone

Two mafia groups and one vig who didn't target anyone.

If there are two mafia groups in the game, there would need to be more pro-town powah roles to balance it out. There might be more than one doc/cop/whatever.

If there is a SK in the game, he might have killed someone who suspected him of being scummy. A review of the list of suspects of the recently deceased is coming up.

[Disciple Slayer]

Hello, everyone. Sorry for not posting sooner; as you'll see from my signature, weekends are tough for me. Day one is largely a guessing game, but we've got to start somewhere. The one thing that stood out to me while reading the weekend's posts was Dark_Lady_Shaiann putting a 4th vote on Lord Nikon. A 4th vote on page 1 is a little odd. She said it was a random vote, but there was no dice roll to back it up. While it probably

was

random, it's possible she was claiming random while trying to get a bandwagon going. Now I know a 4th vote isn't a big deal since the risk of a quick lynch is minimal, but it was the only thing that caught my eye at all so for now I'm going to:

Vote: Dark_Lady_Shaiann

DLS is suspect number one.

[Disciple Slayer]

Vote: No Vote

Everyone else is voting so far, so I'm gonna cool my heels and read what people have to say for now. Besides, I got lynched in my last game for trying to figure things out.

I don't like this thinking. Votes serve many purposes besides a lynch. They can pressure people to contribute. They create a voting history for later analysis. They create discussion. All these things are good for the town. Not voting accomplishes nothing. Don't wait to vote until you are sure someone is scum -- use your vote as a tool to help uncover scum.

Random Vote: Lord Nikon

Cause he's not dark like me.

You claim that your vote is random, yet you give a reason for it? I believe we're now out of the random voting stage and we've caught us a scum.

Unvote, Vote: Dark Lady Shaiann

"Caught us a scum"? Let's not overstate things here. As I stated earlier, I found DLS's vote a little suspicious, but the case against her is nowhere near strong enough to warrant that. This early the only people who can be certain who is scum are the scum themselves.

If conversation doesn't pick up guys, we might have to start having a look at some of the lurkers. Mods are quite happy to throw deadlines on threads that aren't moving, so we've got to get some more people talking.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm, I think this game is moving along pretty well considering we're early in day 1. The first day is really tough and people have to build cases with only flimsy evidence. Obviously we've got to keep pushing, but I don't think we're in any danger of getting deadlined yet.

I don't like when people guide the conversation but don't take action themselves. It makes me think they're trying to get a bandwagon going without attaching themselves to it. If you think we should go after lurkers, you do it. Don't ask others to do your work for you.

come

on

fellas. These are all at least

semi

-random votes. We can't really base any suspicouns (argh) on anything at this point. You guys seem real jumpy.

QFT. But that's just kinda the way things go on day 1. Gotta start somewhere.

Everyone wants people to vote, it's just that scum want people to vote for townies. How does not voting give scum an advantage?

Votes generate discussion. Votes pressure people and possibly lead to mistakes. Votes leave a trail for later analysis. All these things create information that can help the town.

Hey, I got L-1'd on the first page of my first game. Sometimes people just have a brain fart when they're setting the random votes. I'm still not convinced of anything.

The corollary is that I got lynched on the top of page 4, so maybe that just means that my first game was screwy.

Yeah, I put someone at L-1 because I wasn't thinking and I was the prime suspect for scum for the rest of the game. (when I was in fact the cop)

Bah, charter and Infinitive are both sticking up for DLS. Could be a link between any of them. Could be Scum, Masons or Cult. Ain't much but at least something. IGMEOY.

Where am I "sticking up for" let alone even talking about/with Dark lady shaiann? I don't see where Infinitive does this either. Care to explain your statement?

I agree with charter here. I don't see where charter or Infinitive stood up for DLS. VampyreLord, I'd like to hear your explanation as well -- it seems you are distorting facts to cast aspersions on someone.

FoS: VampyreLord

Here's the link to the article:
http://www.mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.p ... ood_Townie

For the most part I disagree with this article, particularly on day 1. Right now no townie has more information than any other (unless we've got masons on our side). IMO, laying low as a townie encourages the scum to do the same, which is not good for the town.

D_L_S, there was ample discussion about the fact that the Lord Nikon wagon was building momentum rapidly. You should have noticed this. IGMEOY.

At the very least I found DLS's vote to be careless and it could have been an attempt to get a wagon started on a townie. It's hardly a convincing case, but I think it's the best we've got at the moment.

VL is suspect number two.

[Disciple Slayer]

The one thing that stood out to me while reading the weekend's posts was Dark_Lady_Shaiann putting a 4th vote on Lord Nikon.

I agree largely with this post but I don't think Shotgun_Kitten should get a free pass after putting up the third vote and then vanishing only to surface with one "sorry for being lurky" excuse. She seems to have been largely forgotten.

You're absolutely right. I haven't forgotten her -- in fact when I saw she had placed a third vote on Lord Nikon

without any explanation

I was ready to vote for her. The only reason I didn't was because I found DLS's vote even more curious. But you're right -- we shouldn't give Kitten a free pass. Her unexplained vote warrants a

FoS: Shotgun_Kitten

.

Thanatos is suspect number three.

[Disciple Slayer]

Alright....let me see if I can explain this clearly. I have a reputation of rambling.....


What I'm trying to say is, if I had noticed that he was even in the game earlier then I did, the reason for my random vote would not have changed. I didn't have a random reason to random vote any one else, and then all of a sudden I noticed him, and not really knowing how many people before me had voted for him (considering that I didn't even know he was there), I just went ahead and random voted for him with that trying-to-be-funny/random reason.

Does that make a little bit more sense or should I try and simplify it once more?

I'm not really buying that DLS didn't even notice Lord Nikon was in the game. This is a mini game and there are only 11 other players, so claiming not to have noticed another player is either very careless or disingenuous. Even though I voted for her based on it, I realize her initial vote against Lord Nikon is a flimsy case. However, I'm finding her explanation unsatisfactory. I do give her credit for responding and not getting overly defensive.

On the other hand, Shotgun_Kitten also had a suspicious vote against Lord Nikon and isn't responding at all. I'll show you her entire contribution to the game so far:

Vote:Lord Nikon

FOS ShotgunKitten for voting Lord Nikon for no reason and for not talking much.

Sorry. Started a new job. Work 40 some odd hours a week. By the time I get home Dad's on the computer...so I can post once or twice in the mornings, and that's about it. So sorry for the slowness guys.

I can understand the LA problems -- that's not really my issue. My concern is the vote on Lord Nikon and the fact she didn't address it at all after being questioned on it. Disciple Slayer raised two points in his post: SK's vote and her lack of activity. She addressed the latter while ignoring the former. I'm still just as suspicious of Dark_Lady_Shaiann as I was previously (if not more), but at least she's participating. Time to get Shotgun_Kitten to do the same.

Unvote: Dark_Lady_Shaiann
Vote: Shotgun_Kitten

Another action by SK that Thanatos can conveniently ignore on the basis that he wasn't playing the game yet at that point.

[Disciple Slayer]

Official Vote Count

Shotgun_Kitten (3)

- deepthought, charter, Hang'em High
charter (2) - Nudude, liamcool
Lord Nikon (1) - Shotgun_Kitten
Dark_Lady_Shaiann (1)- Lord Nikon
Disciple Slayer (1) - VampyreLord
liamcool (1) - Gorgon

Not Voting (3) - Infinitive, DiscipleSlayer, Dark_Lady_Shaiann

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Couldn't we just vote the people who aren't posting at all out or something, if it's bugging you all that much?

Why would you need to ask this and not put down a vote yourself?

QFT. I'll repeat an earlier exchange.

If conversation doesn't pick up guys, we might have to start having a look at some of the lurkers. Mods are quite happy to throw deadlines on threads that aren't moving, so we've got to get some more people talking.

I don't like when people guide the conversation but don't take action themselves. It makes me think they're trying to get a bandwagon going without attaching themselves to it. If you think we should go after lurkers, you do it. Don't ask others to do your work for you.

On to another topic...

This is getting ridiculous; SK is single-handedly stalling the game and hasn't posted in just under a week. Replace her or modkill her or something.

I don't like the way you singled S_K out like that. Lord Nikon hasn't posted since page 1. I understand that everyone else is upset with her because she hasn't stated a good enough reason for her vote on L N, and I don't mind that, but to only blame S_K for the game stalling and immediatly request a modkill doesn't seem very fair, or very townie.

Not that what DLS says is invalid, but I find it interesting she is defending Shotgun_Kitten and redirecting toward Lord Nikon. DLS and SK both placed supposedly random 3rd and 4th votes on LN -- I wondered at the time if they could be scum buddies trying to generate a bandwagon. I knew it was a minor thing, but something I wanted to keep an eye on. That's why this quote caught my eye -- it's another possible link between SK and DLS and another example where they are going after LN. While the case is still quite tenuous, the evidence is mounting that DLS and SK are scum buddies who decided to target Lord Nikon.

SK became Thanatos. Lord Nikon then became Insurgent, who died N1.

[Disciple Slayer]

First I'd like to welcome Thanatos -- looking forward to your input.

@liamcool

. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and please keep it up. While you didn't offer much new, it's still important to get your feedback. One question, though. If you find deepthought to be scummy, why did you FoS him rather than voting?

@infinitive

. Same question. If you find deepthought to be scummy, why did you FoS him rather than voting?

I would like to hear HeH's response to said post (101) since it was more directed at him, but I can only assume he didn't think anything of it since he didn't address it.

Here is my original post that triggered DLS's response:

This is getting ridiculous; SK is single-handedly stalling the game and hasn't posted in just under a week. Replace her or modkill her or something.

I don't like the way you singled S_K out like that. Lord Nikon hasn't posted since page 1. I understand that everyone else is upset with her because she hasn't stated a good enough reason for her vote on L N, and I don't mind that, but to only blame S_K for the game stalling and immediatly request a modkill doesn't seem very fair, or very townie.

Not that what DLS says is invalid, but I find it interesting she is defending Shotgun_Kitten and redirecting toward Lord Nikon. DLS and SK both placed supposedly random 3rd and 4th votes on LN -- I wondered at the time if they could be scum buddies trying to generate a bandwagon. I knew it was a minor thing, but something I wanted to keep an eye on. That's why this quote caught my eye -- it's another possible link between SK and DLS and another example where they are going after LN. While the case is still quite tenuous, the evidence is mounting that DLS and SK are scum buddies who decided to target Lord Nikon.

And here's DLS's post 101 for reference:

Ok...well if that be the case, then I don't like the way your defending deepthought and redirecting back to me. Therefore you and deepthought must be scum buddies together. If only things were that simple.......

It's not my fault every one else was either too mad or too scared to say anything.

You misunderstood my point, which is probably my fault for not being clearer. I wasn't defending deepthought -- in fact I actually agree with your attack on him. However, I thought your post showed another possible link to Shotgun_Kitten. Early on you two placed 3rd and 4th votes on Lord Nikon. Then you later defended SK and again brought up Lord Nikon as a possible target. I'm not saying either of you are definite scum, but if one of you comes back as such I'm going to be mighty suspicious of the other.

As for deepthought, I'm finding his answers unsatisfactory. He almost comes off as arrogant, as in "I have way more experience than you so how dare you question me." That sort of attitude rubs me the wrong way and makes me inclined to lynch him, but I fear my dislike of his tone is clouding my vision somewhat -- I want to make sure I'm voting him because he's scummy, not because he's belligerent. In the end though, he has proposed some antitown tactics and has never really addressed the accusations made against him. Therefore, I'm keeping my vote where it is for the time being as we await input from Thanatos and whomever replaces Lord Nikon.

HeH reiterates possible Thanatos/HeH link.

[Disciple Slayer]

In fact, aside from his vote, I don't think that he has mentioned DT in any way, shape, or form, which would be a good strategy for two scumbuddies.

FOS: Liamcool

Actually, this is not true. Here is his post previous to the one where he votes DT.

@laimcool.

You haven't really done any scumhunting and I'd like your opinion. Who do you find most suspicious? Why?

Based off the last page or so (the new conversation), I have a fairly strong suspicion (about 60%) or so that deepthought is scum. He seems to want Shotgun Kitten to be killed rather than replaced, which is kinda suspicious. Also, he apparently knows that there are three mafia. He stated that with a lot of convinction and knowledge. For all we know, this might be a non-standard game with 2 or 4 mafia, or even a bastard mod game with screwed up roles. Highly unlikely for the second instance though.

You can tweak the exact split of roles or screw with the mix by adding third parties, but it's basically useless to speculate about that without any cardflips.

Not neccesarily. Speculating might bring up more conversation which brings up more leads which helps uncover scum, which i highly suspect you to be right now.

I know, I don't have many leads right now but I'm trying the best that I can.

Unvote: Charter

FOS: Deepthought

While I don't like liamcool's vote for the reasons I've already stated, I also don't like you misrepresenting the facts.

FoS: Infinitive

.

HeH suspects Infinitive for falsifying facts.

[Disciple Slayer]

hm...Well, I have some reasons for this, though not the time to explain them in Detail (mainly they were aligned during the SK issue, DT's response to Liam's horrible plan, and the way Liam voted) I am fairly certain that Liam and DT are scumbuddies.

Therefore, if the cucensous is to let DT live the night, I propose we kill Liam.

I've liked your contributions so far, but this post is a bit yucky. You are advocating killing someone and only giving hints of reasons. I've found liamcool suspicious, so I'll be very interested in hearing your case fully outlined. However, I still find your post fishy. Just yesterday you said:

Besides, I don't see any other strong leads at the moment, to be honest. Except for Liam, but even that I don't consider strong at the moment.

You haven't talked about liamcool at all since then until your post calling for his death. I don't know how you go from a case you say isn't strong to advocating his death. Adding to this, late last night you said:

unvote

Cool it, kiddos. I don't want a lynch on the first day. I want more time to think. If nothing else, get a roleclaim out of him before you kill. (and frankly, I think it's too soon for that as well)

It's not that Deepthought hasn't done alot to make me suspicious, but this is moving way too fast.

Here you are calling for a calm, reasoned discussion before lynching deepthought, but when it comes to liamcool you want to rush right into the kill. Your approach to liam is very different from your approach to DT. Why the inconsistency? Also, it's interesting to note your wording in the last sentence.

Therefore, if the cucensous is to let DT

live the night

, I propose we kill Liam.

I've underlined the part that interests me. Why are you thinking about who to let live through the night? While I'm pretty certain you meant "live through the day" and merely made a typo, I'm not willing to entirely discount the possibility you slipped up. I'd like to hear your answer to this and the reasoning behind your call for liamcool's lynch. Until then IGMEOY.

I don't really think that liamcool's post you quoted HeH really constitutes mentioning

I disagree. The entire first paragraph discusses why he finds DT suspicious, although he is only reiterating other peoples' arguments. He concludes the post by casting an FoS on DT. liamcool has certainly done some suspicious things, but voting for DT without previously mentioning him (as Infinitive suggests) isn't one of them.

HeH makes good points versus Thanatos.

[Disciple Slayer]

I just gave a PBPA and you FOS me for quoting the words of a dead townie? I think your reasoning is flawed. Here's a vote to pressure you into more information.

Vote: Thanatos

Now watch as DLS rushes to defend him in her next post.

[Disciple Slayer]

Also,

request prod on DLS

[Disciple Slayer]

Dude, I just went through HeH's game posts. It's his points, just wanted to make sure people read them. Was going to post a PBPA of SK/Insurgent, but there wasn't much to go on from there, since they people they suspected were already suspects of HeH. Your reaction to quoted game posts from a dead vanilla townie (and a good one, at that) before I even said anything of my own about you is noted.

Or do you really think those two things would have given me reason to kill HeH?

I hate WIFOM so much it's not even funny.

[Disciple Slayer]

Post a good reply to my third and longest HeH quote and I might unvote you if you convince me. My vote was initially a pressure vote, but gut instinct tells me your reaction smells rather odd.

[Disciple Slayer]

Ah. The shower calmed me down alot, since I was getting irritated. After cleaning up, I went back to page 10 of this game, and looked up that post by HeH, and found, surprise surprise, that it ended quite amiability. However, before we get into that, I feel that, the way I presented things was unfair, both to myself and DS, so I would like to clarify.

When I came on, I saw you say that you were going to go through a list of suspects in connection the HeH's untimely passing. I admit, I did not go through your posts very carefully, and most likely, I put more emphesis on your own opinions than you had meant. I took your mentioning me twice as your attempt to build a case against me. If this was not the case, I apologize.

Now, I FOSed you while I was on this assumption. Now, from the two posts you had made BEFORE I began writing my reasponce, they were HeH FoSing and Voting SK, based on her Lurking. I, clearly, have never lurked in this game. I read that as you presenting reasons why I would want to kill HeH due to him suspecting me, for reasons which were so obviously flawed, I thought it warrented an FoS. Is that, at least, a good enough explination for that.

As for the third post from HeH, I am rather stricken by the fact that you failed to post the fact that I had a rather long response to HeHs questioning, to which he responded

O.K., I like Thanatos' explanation for the most part. Post 225 was yucky, but I think his follow-up was reasonable. I'm not sure I would go so far as to assert DT and liam are scumbuddies, however. It's certainly possible, but I think the links are fairly weak. Much of his case against liamcool is based on the assumption deepthroat is scum and I'm always wary of suspecting someone because they might be linked to someone who might be scum -- that's too many "mights" for my taste.

In other words, the best evidence you can find for why I might have wanted to kill him (Ignoring, of course, that he was fairly obviously pro-town, which holds true no matter who the scum are) was a post where he questions me, and then finds my response satisfactory? A fact which you ignore in your arguements?

Frankly, I think your pushing something that you know is wrong. I don't know if I'm going to stick to this, but

Vote:DS

For putting up a baseless arguement, ignoring facts that contradict him, and pushing it harder when arguement is put up against it.

Mentioned you multiple times because HeH mentioned you in his votes and FOSs multiple times. I'm making a list of all the people he's voted for and FOS'd (got his posts from his profile) and you seem to have overreacted dramatically. You didn't really have much evidence against you until you responded to my list with an immediate FOS for contributing to the town. Being over-defensive = scum tell imo

That's why my vote stays on you. This is why I play the way I do. Scum tend to slip up. My vote's probably not going to move unless some really incriminating evidence comes along.

[Disciple Slayer]

I admit I over reacted. But I only did it, at first at least, because I misunderstood what it was exactly what you were doing. I thought you were building a case on crap-info.

If we can agree on that premise, I'm content.

I don't build cases on crap info. Vote stays until something substantial comes along.

VL, jeez. You could have spent the time posting your useless remarks on contributing to the town, for once. I'm tempted to vote you simply to pressure you into giving some info.

[Disciple Slayer]

I admit I over reacted. But I only did it, at first at least, because I misunderstood what it was exactly what you were doing. I thought you were building a case on crap-info.

If we can agree on that premise, I'm content.

I don't build cases on crap info. Vote stays until something substantial comes along.

VL, jeez. You could have spent the time posting your useless remarks on contributing to the town, for once. I'm tempted to vote you simply to pressure you into giving some info.

Biulding a case against me based on

Lurking

? I think that's crap info.

I merely summarized what HeH said in my list. I've got a commentary below the posts I quoted. Overreacting again? All the more reason to keep my vote on you. Do you OMGUS this late into the game? That's what your vote on me sure looks like.

liam, he means that Infinitive supposedly thought that DT wasn't going to get lynched, so he decided to move on to you to draw suspicion away from himself in the event that you got lynched and turned out to be a townie. This is under the hypothesis that Infinitive is scum and knows you are either a SK or pro-town. Can you post what you think about charter's theory?

Man, you have some posting to do. Get more active.

[Disciple Slayer]

EBWOP:

...so he decided to move on to you

early

to draw suspicion away from himself...

[Disciple Slayer]

Are you assuming that simply because I defended S_K that I shall now defend Thanatos, because HeH hinted that there was a possible link between me and S_K becuase I defended her

and we had consecutive votes on the player who died N1?

I never said anything about you two having consecutive votes on the doctor who got mislynched N1. It could mean something. It could mean nothing. I don't know. That's why I posted HeH's votes and FOSs, to gauge reactions of players in an attempt to figure out what the hell is going on here.

Moving on to a different topic.

Whatever happened to those suspicions you had of me? Post them now, while you're still online.

[Disciple Slayer]

Wait, did you just admit another possible link between you and Thanatos?

[Disciple Slayer]

Come on, I know you're online. I want a response to both 557 and 558.

[Disciple Slayer]

hm...Well, I have some reasons for this, though not the time to explain them in Detail (mainly they were aligned during the SK issue, DT's response to Liam's horrible plan, and the way Liam voted) I am fairly certain that Liam and DT are scumbuddies.

Therefore, if the cucensous is to let DT live the night, I propose we kill Liam.

I've liked your contributions so far, but this post is a bit yucky. You are advocating killing someone and only giving hints of reasons. I've found liamcool suspicious, so I'll be very interested in hearing your case fully outlined. However, I still find your post fishy. Just yesterday you said:

Besides, I don't see any other strong leads at the moment, to be honest. Except for Liam, but even that I don't consider strong at the moment.

You haven't talked about liamcool at all since then until your post calling for his death. I don't know how you go from a case you say isn't strong to advocating his death. Adding to this, late last night you said:

unvote

Cool it, kiddos. I don't want a lynch on the first day. I want more time to think. If nothing else, get a roleclaim out of him before you kill. (and frankly, I think it's too soon for that as well)

It's not that Deepthought hasn't done alot to make me suspicious, but this is moving way too fast.

Here you are calling for a calm, reasoned discussion before lynching deepthought, but when it comes to liamcool you want to rush right into the kill. Your approach to liam is very different from your approach to DT. Why the inconsistency? Also, it's interesting to note your wording in the last sentence.

Therefore, if the cucensous is to let DT

live the night

, I propose we kill Liam.

I've underlined the part that interests me. Why are you thinking about who to let live through the night? While I'm pretty certain you meant "live through the day" and merely made a typo, I'm not willing to entirely discount the possibility you slipped up. I'd like to hear your answer to this and the reasoning behind your call for liamcool's lynch. Until then IGMEOY.

These are the good points he brings up. Jeez. Try to complicate things, will you.

[Disciple Slayer]

Okay, now I'm getting a bit confused. I thought you had consecutive votes on deepthought, not Insurgent. I'm not taunting you though, you know what I'm like if I am. Sorry, I thought I picked up on a slip.

I'm not using his points to attack. I'm using them to try and unravel what's been going on. Not much really, but it's something. Something's always better than nothing.

As a side note, while I love it here in BC, it DOES have it's drawbacks. This is one of them.

[Disciple Slayer]

I just gave a PBPA and you FOS me for quoting the words of a dead townie? I think your reasoning is flawed. Here's a vote to pressure you into more information.

Vote: Thanatos

Now watch as DLS rushes to defend him in her next post.

Wait....what did all of that have to do with me? Are you assuming that simply because I defended S_K that I shall now defend Thanatos, because HeH hinted that there was a possible link between me and S_K becuase I defended her and we had consecutive votes on the player who died N1?

I make a prediction. DLS accuses me of assuming things.

I believe/believed that DSes comments about me were him saying "HeH suspected Thanatos, because SK lurked." which is stupid. I may have missinterepreted it, I don't know. But, if I read correctly, DLS read it that way, so maybe I didn't...

Thanatos backs DLS up.

My Vote on him is because he continues to ignore things brought up against him. Like, for example, how he has yet to comment on the fact that the "good points brought up against me" were dropped within that same page, and because he continues to be unreasponcive.

I agree with this.

DLS backs up Thanatos, just as I predicted.

I never went on an all-out offensive against anyone, but at the first sign of trouble (a list of players suspected by HeH at some point during the game, regardless whether he cleared them afterwards or not), DLS and Thanatos once again reveal their ties to each other.

Other people please comment and add your own thoughts on this fiasco. It seems to be growing into what could potentially be the most important discussion of D2.

[Disciple Slayer]

Thats completely understandable but, do you agree with them? It doesn't really make much sense to me to use some one elses arguements if you don't agree with them. That is what I am trying to get at. I don't really care that you are using them, aslong as you agree with them, becuase if you don't then it goes back to my statement about 'hiding behind a dead townies speculations': Basically trying to make yourself look good by throwing suspision at some one for trying to argue with some one who is dead. Thats just one reason I can think of how that would work. There definetly are others but...whatever.

Like I said before, I'm using them to draw reactions from players. So far I've heard both the reactions of you and Thanatos, but I want to hear from everyone else soon.

[Disciple Slayer]

Just wondering, why did you two instantly overreact to my list of players? It was a list, and nothing more. No real substantial cases or arguments. Can you explain why both of you are being over-defensive?

[Disciple Slayer]

1) I'm not assuming anything.

2) Trying to distance yourself from him?

3) I posted saying it was going to happen. Sure enough, it did. Sounds like a prediction to me.

[Disciple Slayer]

When HeH originally made those points, I didn't vote for either of you because I didn't believe them. However, at the moment I'm not quite sure. Something smells fishy with both your reactions, but I'm not 100% convinced you two are scum. I need more evidence before I'm ready for a lynch.

[Disciple Slayer]

Which comment would that be?

And...yeah, your right.

I usually am.

[Disciple Slayer]

You keep talking about "this comment" but you never quote the one you're referring to. If you want to be taken seriously, do it now.

You say you had to ask me three times before I replied to your question? If you want to count the number of times I've asked you to present the "points" that you supposedly brought up against me during the flame war, it would number four or more and you

still

haven't said anything about it after being extremely vague immediately after N1.

Seemingly

over-defensive? You

are

over-defensive. You even take a long time explaining how you're not over-defensive in this post.

I wouldn't call myself being overly defensive. I may be overly explaining myself, but thats just because I'm trying my best to cover myself from all sides

Isn't overly-explaining the same as overly-defensive? After all, you

are

overly explaining in the defense of both you and Thanatos, which makes it the same thing, just worded differently.

Usually if you look defensive, you are defensive. I mean, how can you look defensive if you're not being defensive? I mentioned multiple times during the flame war how you like twisting things around, and now you're doing it again.

Don't be lazy when you tell people to go back and read what you said. It's so easy to quote a post. By not quoting where you supposedly explained your over-defensiveness, you're making things harder for the town. Making things harder for the town is not pro-town. It is downright scummy.

Also, why would you lie? As pro-town, lying

rarely

furthers the town's agenda, and this is certainly not one of those times. If ever, now would be the

worst

possible time to lie.

FOS: DLS

In response to liamcool, I am a very aggressive player. I think that's obvious. I don't beat around the bush and twist my words when I'm making a point, unlike some others.

Thanatos, I would say you are a more experienced player than S_K. I think everyone can agree on that. One possibility is that S_K lurked when she found out she was scum, because she didn't know what to do. You, on the other hand, were the ringleader of deepthought's mislynch. You immediately took charge when you entered the game on D1. Well, now I'm taking charge before you can start another bandwagon on someone.

[Disciple Slayer]

You sure that's not a slip?

I think everyone would like to hear your accusations. Post them. You've waited long enough.

[Disciple Slayer]

Don't be an asshat. Don't make things hard for us. Quote them, both the comment you don't like and the comparisons between my responses before and after the flame war. Quote them so people can refer to them instead of having to flip back and forth through pages and pages. It's your case, you handle the quotes.

Your admission to being overly-defensive is noted. That makes it both you and Thanatos who have admitted to being overly-defensive. You're trying to cover yourself from all sides because you know you overreacted to my list and you're trying to cover your ass by twisting words around.

Also, your definition of over-defensiveness is flawed. My list wouldn't have escalated into something this big if you and Thanatos weren't being overly-defensive.

[Disciple Slayer]

Thanatos, I would say you are a more experienced player than S_K. I think everyone can agree on that. One possibility is that S_K lurked when she found out she was scum, because she didn't know what to do. You, on the other hand, were the ringleader of deepthought's mislynch. You immediately took charge when you entered the game on D1. Well, now I'm taking charge before you can start another bandwagon on someone.

Fair enough. I'm only going to say this one more time. I saw your two posts about me and I took them as you saying

"Well, HeH thought SK was a lurker, so he had suspicions of Thanatos, who therefore had a good reason to kill HeH"

That is what I read your first two posts as, and so, I FOSed you.

I voted you for three reasons.

1. I noted how you ignored information related to your third link, and CONTINUE to ignore it now.

2. I wanted to vote for somebody. That's the simple truth. There arn't alot of votes going around at the moment, and I thought I should put mine out.

3. It's a hunch. I think you've been acting rather scummy, and I wanted to let it be known that I thought that way.


That said, I don't think we should lynch you today. I think I would rather kill Liam. Liam's really good and laying low and pushing things forward, and regardless of DTs alignment, I want to start focusing on him soon. You can be dealt with later.

As much as I think DS is shitty in a leader role, and possibly a flase massiah ( or have you all forgotten that he pushed DT as hard as I, if not more so) I would like to hear what DLS has to say, regardless of where it comes from.

1. Quote it. Post everything you want me to respond to clearly.

2. Fair enough.

3. I guess that makes it two of us, then.

Are you trying to bribe me into laying off? You should have known that was never going to work. Of course you think I'm shitty in a leader role. I'm the guy who got you to slip and overreact, thus compromising what up to that point had been the appearance of a concerned townie.

Are you also trying to say that you didn't completely read the thread before posting? You're too experienced to do that. ISTR that you were all hot and bothered, and that you had cooled down after your shower. I take that to mean that you instantly panicked when you saw my list, posted without thinking, then tried to cover yourself up at a later date.

Well...it seems like Nudude knows exactly which comment I am talking about, so it's just you and since it was our conversation.....no, I will not quote it. You should already know.

Well, it's my definition and it points directly at you, and Thanatos now that I think about it. I don't see whats wrong about me wanting to explain and cover myself. Thanatos on the other hand accused you right back. That I will agree is being over defensive, but I never reacted by immediatly accusing you of doing anything scummy simply because you accused or challanged me. I protected myself. Why is that wrong?

It's your loss. If I was you, I'd post it.

Trying to distance yourself from Thanatos in this post because you feel a Thanatos lynch is imminent? That's subtle. Also, here is your immediate reaction to my list.

I don't even think I have had much to say about or do with Thanatos since he got here. Why would that start now? If I had anything to say about him I would have said something when HeH posted all of that stuff. I'm not going to all of a sudden jump to his defense just becuase your now using the same arguements and deciding to vote him (which I believe is the only vote on him, so I don't really care too much right now anyway).

I defended S_K becuase I thought she was being attacked unfairly by a lot of people. I'm not really sure where your trying to go with that last part, but it's definetly not happening right now, and if it does it won't have anything to do with the fact that Thanatos replaced S_K, nor will it have anything to do with the fact that you are the one accusing him.

Bolded stuff is important. D_L_S immediately distances herself from Thanatos as soon as I mention a possible link between the two of them. D_L_S also says that if she had anything to say when HeH made his posts, she would have said it. I think the link between both of them was the reason she didn't want to say anything. She also admits that she cares about votes on Thanatos

Here is her reaction one post later.

OK..now you are trying to instigate something. Basically, I agreed with what you are doing and you are taunting me about something completely different, basically knowing that it's going to start a fight. Alright, you have fun with that. I'll respond to this particular post anyway.

HeH did, and since your using his points as an attack method, you must believe them.

She accuses me of instigating "something" (how vague) and taunting her. She also accuses me of using HeH's points as an attack method, when it was first and foremost a means of collecting information. That seems to me as being overly-defensive. It even fits into her definition of being over-defensive, which is the following:

And I see being overly defensive as being short and snappy with people when they accuse you and trying to force them to back off by being mean to them. If me trying to cover myself from all sides is overly defensive, what is so wrong with that anyway?

Her reply was short and snappy. It accused me of various things.

In this post, she tries to be mean to me, too.

I don't know how you could possibly not know which comment I'm talking about. Your acting like you think I made it up. It's the first thing I responded to. The first time I said anything about....anything basically this entire game day. If you don't remember what comment of yours that got me talking,

then you have a memory issue and you definetly need to go back and read.

Sure fits into her definition of being overly-defensive, all right.

I'm not going to reply to your question until you do as I say and quote the comment you want an answer to. I am not in a bad position here. You are. You actually have to work at your posts, you know. MS is no place for the lazy. Unless you're being lazy on purpose...

So...basically it's ok for you to be aggressive towards me but not ok for me to be just as aggressive when it comes to defending myself?

It's always okay to be aggressive when scum-hunting. Being a wimp will net you no scum. Being overly-defensive, on the other hand, is a completely different issue. When you are suspected and instantly become overly-defensive, it can mean a lot of things. Most of those things are not good at all.

Every time you try to twist words around, I'm just going to put a nice, big, WT whenever I quote your posts. Guess what it stands for.

WT

Confirm vote: Thanatos

Confirm FOS: D_L_S

[Disciple Slayer]

I'm here, but got work to do IRL.

[Disciple Slayer]

BTW, I see my sig as:

Dark_Lazy_Shaiaan: And...yeah, your right.

Disciple Slayer: I usually am.

I changed the big black cock one a while back

[Disciple Slayer]

Ah. The shower calmed me down alot, since I was getting irritated. After cleaning up, I went back to page 10 of this game, and looked up that post by HeH, and found, surprise surprise, that it ended quite amiability. However, before we get into that, I feel that, the way I presented things was unfair, both to myself and DS, so I would like to clarify.

When I came on, I saw you say that you were going to go through a list of suspects in connection the HeH's untimely passing. I admit, I did not go through your posts very carefully, and most likely, I put more emphesis on your own opinions than you had meant. I took your mentioning me twice as your attempt to build a case against me. If this was not the case, I apologize.

Now, I FOSed you while I was on this assumption. Now, from the two posts you had made BEFORE I began writing my reasponce, they were HeH FoSing and Voting SK, based on her Lurking. I, clearly, have never lurked in this game. I read that as you presenting reasons why I would want to kill HeH due to him suspecting me, for reasons which were so obviously flawed, I thought it warrented an FoS. Is that, at least, a good enough explination for that.

As for the third post from HeH, I am rather stricken by the fact that you failed to post the fact that I had a rather long response to HeHs questioning, to which he responded

O.K., I like Thanatos' explanation for the most part. Post 225 was yucky, but I think his follow-up was reasonable. I'm not sure I would go so far as to assert DT and liam are scumbuddies, however. It's certainly possible, but I think the links are fairly weak. Much of his case against liamcool is based on the assumption deepthroat is scum and I'm always wary of suspecting someone because they might be linked to someone who might be scum -- that's too many "mights" for my taste.

In other words, the best evidence you can find for why I might have wanted to kill him (Ignoring, of course, that he was fairly obviously pro-town, which holds true no matter who the scum are) was a post where he questions me, and then finds my response satisfactory? A fact which you ignore in your arguements?

Frankly, I think your pushing something that you know is wrong. I don't know if I'm going to stick to this, but

Vote:DS

For putting up a baseless arguement, ignoring facts that contradict him, and pushing it harder when arguement is put up against it.

1. Qoute it? You mean like I did right here?

2 & 3. Well, that's something we agree on.

Bribe? Don't you think your overstepping yourself just a little? I was giving my opinion to everyone. I think you have a 50/50 chance of being clever scum or stupid town. The chance we take with Liam is better, and I don't think you're a good kill today. If I'm not allowed to make my opinions known without you smirking and pointing going "look, see what he did there" then maybe I'm not being over defensive after all.

I think I already said that when I was making the list, I only quoted posts where HeH suspects people, regardless of what he says afterwards. He does clear you after a few posts, so why are you reacting so much?

[Disciple Slayer]

DS seems to have baited DLS into speaking up in relation to his vote on Thanatos, and used that to claim the two are scumbuddies.

Haven't you noticed the way I play? I drop bait and see how people react to it.

In fairness, DLS lying

and admitting to it

is quite concerning to me, and I'm really not sure what to do with this information.

I can't believe you bit that bait too. Just because I quoted a sentence where DLS says she lied without even commenting on what she lied about, it's concerning to you? Are you just looking for excuses to put suspicion on DLS?

[Disciple Slayer]

For clarification, I've voted for DLS because she made her biggest post debating the link between her and Thanatos. I think a townie would make bigger posts in regardings to hunting scum, not defending themselves.

Rather than debate the pros and cons, you debase his posts and call his evidence craplogic.

QFT. I don't think DLS has done any scum-hunting at all.

[Disciple Slayer]

3. For his third post, I wonder why everyone except for Infinitive has ignored the fact that I showed how HeH withdrawed any suspicions he had of me within the next five posts. This is the main reason I voted him. I think that, if DS was really looking for scum, as opossed to just looking for someone to Lynch, or at the very least, using bad logic to find a lynch, he would have withdrawn that post after that one, or mentioned it, or at least admitted that it removed the validity of his third quoted post! His ignoring of it is the main reason I voted on him. Also, note how he is STILL contuing to ignore it, after it's been posted twice and the first post was mentioned on page 22, and referanced multiple times thereafter. It makes me think either he's not really reading his reasponces or he simply doesn't care

I think the fact that you reacting so strongly DESPITE HeH clearing you makes you look even more suspicious. I already said before that I only quoted the posts where he suspects people. I know he cleared you.

[Disciple Slayer]

For clarification, I've voted for DLS because she made her biggest post debating the link between her and Thanatos. I think a townie would make bigger posts in regardings to hunting scum, not defending themselves.

Rather than debate the pros and cons, you debase his posts and call his evidence craplogic.

For example, I could say "Guys, there's been three or four pages of discussion between DLS, DS and Thanatos. There is more than enough evidence there to make a vote on DLS. I think your attacking me because me and DS are on to something and your trying to make it seem like we don't have a case." I could even whack in a FOS for good measure.

Instead, I'm saying your quite right to question me and ask for my reasoning. I don't try to debase you or call your logic crap. I accept that it is a reasonable stance and explain myself.

DS's line of questioning is reasonable, and I don't understand why you would think otherwise. That is why I'm asking for you to clarify for me what exactly it is you are concerned about so I'm not mis interpreting or mis understanding anyone or anything.

OK......
First of all, you obviously have no idea why my post was so long, which means you most likely didn't read everything. Second of all, I never debased his points or said anything about crapologic. I agreed with his methods, but only on the basis that he agreed with HeH's points. I said that several times, which also makes me think you didn't read everything.

Also, I really don't think it's fair that your going to vote me with what seems to you to be substantial evidence, and then basically ask me to make sure that your correct. Well, your not, but I'm not going to take the time out to find everything for you and bring it back to your attention. If you have doubts on your vote, then it's your responsibility to go back and read, or ask me specific questions, don't ask me to just repost and reiterate everything. Besides, if you didn't read it the first time, why should I trust you will read it the second time? I have spent way too much time defending myself already, basically got yelled at for it, and then come to find out it obviously wasn't enough? Thats just a little bit fucked up. Don't just ask me to just repeat everything I have said. Thats lazy as Hell. Go back, read and ask me specific questions.

Seriously, do some scum-hunting. You flip out every time someone suspects you. This is mafia. People will always be suspecting people, especially when they're as suspicious as you. You just need to start hunting for some scum like everyone else, not counting liamcool or VL.

Come to think of it, have you been scum-hunting lately, Thanatos?

[Disciple Slayer]

You attacked DS for his assumption ie. that there is a link between you and Thanatos. His assumption is a stretch, I'm the first to admit that, but it could also be that he simply he threw some bait out, and you bit!

I'm glad Nudude sees this. Others should too.

Later on you make this post:

Are you assuming that simply because I defended S_K that I shall now defend Thanatos, because HeH hinted that there was a possible link between me and S_K becuase I defended her

and we had consecutive votes on the player who died N1?

I never said anything about you two having consecutive votes on the doctor who got mislynched N1. It could mean something. It could mean nothing. I don't know. That's why I posted HeH's votes and FOSs, to gauge reactions of players in an attempt to figure out what the hell is going on here.

Moving on to a different topic.

Whatever happened to those suspicions you had of me? Post them now, while you're still online.

OK..now you are trying to instigate something.

Basically, I agreed with what you are doing and you are taunting me about something completely different, basically knowing that it's going to start a figh

t. Alright, you have fun with that. I'll respond to this particular post anyway.

First of all, I didn't say anyting about the doctor (DT). I was talking about Lord Nikon/Insurgent who got NKed, and that S_K and I had consecutive votes on, which actually ended getting cleared up and HeH's suspicions lifted off of me. I was stating the entire story just to let you know that I am aware of what happaned and how it looked, since it seemed that you were basing that comment off of previous DLS/S_K talk, but obviously you didn't know the whole story so don't act like I'm pointing out somethign new, it was already there. Second of all, you didn't say anything about it specifically. HeH did, and since your using his points as an attack method, you must believe them.

The bolded text is you telling DS your not going to let yourself be drawn into another arguement. That's a good thing, however

you let yourself

be drawn into an arguement when you argued so strongly against DS's inital assumption, that there is a link to you and Thanatos.

You only take a step back from the arguement when DS ask's you about the suspicions you have of him, saying that he is trying to draw you into an arguement. Why get drawn into an arguement based on a stretch of logic in the first place ie. that there is a link between you and Thanatos, and then when DS asks you a completely reasonable question ie. tell me more about your suspiscions of me, you say "I'm not getting into an arguement?".

It would make more sense to me if you had said "Your just trying to bait me into an arguement" to DS's first assumption of there being a link (which I would have agreed with you) and answered DS's question of "Why are you suspicious of me?".

My next point:

Your assumption is, because I don't understand what points your trying to make, I'm lazy and clearly I didn't read them properly. I may not be intelligent enough to interpret what you mean with your posts, but that does not make me lazy. I could say that you are lazy because you are not willing to summarise your defense, but I find that personal attacks only create heated arguements and ruin things for everyone.

Let me ask you this: Before a debate, you would obviously prepare points to make during the debate (Unless your the third speaker, in which case you'd spend more time refuting) as a good team mate, you'd show your points to your team mates and give a read of your speech.

Pretend I'm your team mate. I've read and heard what you've said, and I'm saying "I'm sorry DLS, but I have to be honest. Too me, your speech doesn't make much sense. I'm not quite to sure what your points are."

Now if you want, you can run with the speech anyways, you don't have to change or clarify it, and I certainly can't force you. All I'm doing is saying that I don't understand what your points are or what exactly your trying to say. It's your choice entirely.

On that note, you have spent alot of time refuting points, but making very little of your own. I would like to see from you a bit more information on who you find suspicious and why.

Not only that, I wasn't changing the subject. It's not too hard to discuss several things at a time, if they relate to one another. Posting your accusations of me would be scum-hunting for a change, which you still haven't done. I think the only reason a player would not scum-hunt would be because they are scum.

[Disciple Slayer]

I don't have a problem answering your questions. What I have a problem with is the fact that you voted me, but don't really seem to understand why. All this says to me is that you are basically voting me becuase I have explained myself and then asked me to re-explain myself but in simpler terms. Thats not fair and it doesn't really seem to make much sense. If you don't understand something, ask me, don't just vote me with evidence you feel is substantial and then ask me to tell you whether or not your right.


Your partially right about the bolded text. I didn't so much mind about geting in another debate with him, and I didn't really back down, I just didn't want to get into that one cause he was baiting me to change the subject. Thats what I refused to do. I refused to change the subject. As far as my suspicions of him go, I already stated earlier that I wasn't going to say anything until I found more effective evidence, so of course I'm not going to go right back to the flame war becuase that was where it all started for me.

To me it just feels like you have voted me for no reason, or a reason you don't really understand, like you have another agenda. It doesn't seem like your trying to make it feel like a pressure vote. If you really wanted to play fair and nice (which it kind of seems like you are doing) you would take your vote off of me and then wait to hear my points that you are asking for and then decide if that is basis enough to vote me, since you really don't seem to understand what is going on and have basically admitted that.

If you spent the time and energy scum-hunting instead of twisting words around, misrepresenting people, and defending yourself against lesser things, we'd have caught quite a few scum by now. Unless, of course, catching scum is not one of your agendas.

[Disciple Slayer]

PS- Where has DS gone? I must say I enjoy the peace, but it is completly unlike him to not have something to say, and it not only raises my suspisions, but actually has me a bit worried.....

It raises my suspisons in the sense that now that Nudude is asking a lot of questions it seems that DS has backed off. A little good cop, bad cop going on here maybe?

It only works when I do it, you know. You need to practice baiting.

I think I already said I was pretty busy with life, you trying to put suspicion on me because I had more important things to do than mafia?

[Disciple Slayer]

DLS, has there ever been an indication that I don't put effort into this game. I'm enjoying this game, I have all the energy in the world for this game....could it be, just possbily, the reason I'm asking you to be a little clearer in your points, or even a simple, easy to read summary, is because I want to understand what points your trying to make? If we were face to face, I'd ask "Look me in the eye and tell me you geniunely believe I'm a lazy player". Could you do it? On that note, does anyone else think I'm a lazy player?

Do you remember this post?

Well...it is a mini, my first mini, and when the game was going really fast I kind of just skimmed to see if anything was being said about me, and then some how I came across some one elses vote for Lord Nikon, and that was when his name stuck out to me. So....I was just being really careless and fairly newbish. I apologize and will be sure to actually read everything.

Even if you are correct in my assumption that I've simply not been bothered reading your posts, your guilty of it as well!

As I said, it's your choice wether you choose to clarify things, but so far your not doing much to allay my suspicions.

Even after I point out that you spend alot of time defending yourself, and very little scum hunting, you continue to simply defend yourself and not bring anything new to the discussion.

Even if you choose not to clarify your points, and before you accuse me of being lazy, can you at least put in a little effort yourself to reading posts and finding scum, instead of just sitting back and defending yourself when neccesary?

@DLS: Being hypocritical doesn't help you at all.

[Disciple Slayer]

Ok, but what I'm not guily of is voting some one after skimming pages, which is where I have the problem with what you are doing. I'm not accusing you of being lazy because you skimmed, I'm accusing you of voting me after skimming and then asking me to go back and check everything for you. Thats not fair.

You skimmed pages. You're accusing him of skimming pages. The fact that he voted for you doesn't change the fact that you're a hypocrite. Seriously, stop twisting things.

[Disciple Slayer]

So either you've been lazy reading posts, despite earlier in the game promising you'd have more diligence or your trying to mis - represent the facts.

If your trying to mis - represent me, your scum.

I also note you STILL haven't been able to provide any other evidence to indicate anyone else is scum. I would suggest you read some previous posts in this game and see if you can find anything.

Misrepresenting facts is definitely scummy. Not scum-hunting is also scummy.

[Disciple Slayer]

Yet DS is attacking her for having "lied". It doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not attacking her. I quoted her admitting that she lied, I didn't specify what she lied about in my post, and the only thing I posted was that lying is bad for the town. If anyone else had attacked her for the bait I threw out, that would be scummy.

[Disciple Slayer]

Where was this hardcore interrogation on day 1? I don't mean to say that you're scum, but I certainly did not notice this sort of really heavy accuse-and-answer from you before day 2. It seems just a bit odd that you're throwing around your weight so suddenly.

I also found this to be quite intresting especially since DS has some how managed to slink off into the background.....

Stop trying to make it look like I'm lurking all of a sudden. Can't you think of anything better to post?

[Disciple Slayer]

I have to apologize for what I said earlier regarding DLS and her lying. I didn't read her post after she said she lied at the beginning, and I should have.

DLS, please accept my apologies. I was, it seemed, impervious to dry humor that day.

Seems like someone bit the bait. So you posted that DLS lying concerned you, without even knowing what she was supposedly lying about? It reeks of scum trying to jump on what other people have said, regardless of the points that are made.

[Disciple Slayer]

You're really just building his case against you. I'm actually starting to see what he's saying, about how you don't look for scum, just defend everything said about you.

Ok, but I'm not really trying to do otherwise. I attack in my way of defense by demanding that people explain their reasoning about coming after me (or others). If I find that the response makes sense I back off, if not I find it as cause for suspition and will continue to go after you about it. So, I'm not defending myself for the sole purpose of defending myself.

Another twisting of words, brought to you by DLS. In essence, what you said was that you scum-hunt by defending yourself. That's just stupid.

[Disciple Slayer]

OK...I lied.

I don't like that either.

Lying is bad for the town.

Even if it's minor, IMO. (Not suggesting anything off this).

Another bites the bait. Are you really reading what people are posting or are you just attaching yourself onto random arguments?

[Disciple Slayer]

First, I'm gonna role-claim as cop. I'm doing this because I inspected liamcool last night and he was innocent. People look like they're close on lynching him, and I don't want to lynch another town.
And Thanatos, where'd your vote move? The top of 26 says it's on DS, and it hasn't been changed since then as far as I can see...

I really don't know what to think of this.

In this game are the two worst roleclaims in recent mafia history.

[Disciple Slayer]

I'm going to have to beg everyone's pardon here, but I'm just having a hard time believing VL. It may just be my inexperience talking here; if so, forgive my ignorance.

I pointed out earlier that, given 2 NKs a night, we may be looking at Lynch or Lose here today. Naturally, that's a really bad position for the town to be in, but it's a position we kind of have to accept. The important point is that, given that same information,

the scum know this as well.

Allow me to think out loud.

Let's pretend I'm playing scum and it's quite possibly lynch or lose for the town. One of my scumbuddies, whom I know to be the Godfather, has been acting scummy in the thread. Is it a necessarily bad strategy to falseclaim as a cop, "clearing" my scumbuddy? If he gets lynched, there's no problem; I'm the cop, right, and I investigated him as town. That's what should have happened. Alternately, if my strat works right, I send the town scurrying off looking for the ONE other scum in the game; in all likelihood, they'll mislynch, given the odds. After that, it's one night and LyoL.

I think that this could have been a very shrewd move by VL; he waits to see if the cop comes out and indicts someone. If not, he falseclaims and sets this whole mess up. Obviously, this wouldn't work if he'd been investigated thoroughly, because nobody would believe him if he roleclaimed as part of an interrogation.

Maybe this is just me doing conspiracy theories again, like with DT. Still, I just don't like this claim one bit. It's a little TOO dumb, if you ask me.

Is VL's brain even capable of thinking this up? However, it remains a possibility nonetheless. If liamcool's been scummy the whole game, but turned up innocent in an investigation, he could very well be the godfather.

Another possibility is that VL is a newbie insane cop.

[Disciple Slayer]

This is actually not the case- Disciple Slayer and DLS have not yet responded.

I'm waiting to see if DLS is willing to accept a compromise. Maybe she's just been busy, or maybe she's hoping the recent turn of events has made me forget about her.

Agreed. Don't let my wall of posts get in the way of you and Nudude. In fact,

unvote

Vote: Dark_Lady_Shaiaan

Vote will be removed once you start scum-hunting. Consider it a little incentive to actually start contributing to the town.

[Disciple Slayer]

Yep, I'm here.

[Disciple Slayer]

Could be because he's distancing himself from her and will look innocent if she turns up scum, but can claim that she was scummy if she turns up town. Could be that they're actually in cahoots and are purposely lynching DLS to gain trust for Thanatos. Or it could be that DLS is scum and Thanatos is really town, and he only recently saw the light. Could be anything really. Can't think properly right now since my mind just overheated from another game I'm in.

Can you delay your investigation of me to Wednesday next week? I'm going to be busy from now 'til then and I doubt I'll be able to post regularly.

[Disciple Slayer]

UPDATE: I'm going to be back Sunday, not Wednesday.

[Disciple Slayer]

You can start now, if you want. I'm back.

[Disciple Slayer]

Vote Count

Dark_Lady_Shaiann (3)

- Disciple Slayer, Thanatos, charter
Thanatos (2) - Gorgon, VampyreLord

Not Voting (4) - Dark_Lady_Shaiann, Infinitive, liamcool, Nudude

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Posting will commence on the 18th. I've got a busy weekend and a flight immediately after.

[Disciple Slayer]

Posting after Christmas.

[Disciple Slayer]

Stop bitching and wait til after the fucking holidays, so I have time to make good posts instead of useless ones like this.

[Disciple Slayer]

First off, before I go into anything detailed. Does anyone have any questions for me?

[Disciple Slayer]

I am bored.

UNVOTE

VOTE: THANATOS

D2 has gone on for far too long. Go ahead and grill me now, Nudude.

[Disciple Slayer]

Here are my scum choices.

Thanatos, Nudude, and DLS. Make sure to lynch one of them after you lynch me, since I'm losing interest in this game. If you guys really want a run-down on why I think they're scum, let me know. Otherwise I won't bother.

[Disciple Slayer]

Fuck.