Mini 499: Just Your typical Mafia Game GAME OVER!!!!!!!!

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Original Roll String: 1d11

1 11-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

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Vote: pwayne66

[somestrangeflea]

Any reason at all why you have just piled a 3rd vote on me? It's only the first page and you seem a bit eager to vote here. Maybe scum trying to keep pressure away from themselves?

FOMS: theopor_COD

Anyway time for a random vote.

Vote: somestrangeflea

Why did you feel the need to random vote when you actually had a suspect for what you claimed were real reasons? That looks to me as though you're trying to "fit in", and Town shouldn't have to try.

Unvote
Vote: AlyG

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unvote

vote:cicero

Explain plzkthx

[somestrangeflea]

It did strike me as a tad suspicious but i thought it wasn't worthy of a vote. Which is why i FOS'd him.

So? If you have any suspicion at all of someone at this early stage, what good will it do to the Town throwing a random vote out there?

[somestrangeflea]

This is why there is one vote on AlyG.

Random voting appears to be the reason there are another 3.

[somestrangeflea]

Borchmore (has posted only once, absent for about 5 days now)
somestrangeflea (hasn't posted here since the 5th, but was active elsewhere on the site yesterday)

With all due respect, if you think 2 days of inactivity is lurking, I'm fairly sure that you're not going to enjoy your time here...

[somestrangeflea]

CLA has come under fire simply for not responding to posts directed at him. IMO, there are situations where a lurkervote is acceptable.

However

, I don't want lynch-1 on page 4...

FoS: CLA

[somestrangeflea]

Okay, so CLA has been prodded, but we have more absentees:

AlyG
orlowski
somestrangeflea

Also, AlyG and somestrangeflea have both been active in other games since they've posted here. In the case of AlyG, this is particularily suspicious, since he was under some scrutiny as a recall. And yeah, I know this poking around will probably bug you, SSF, but I would like to hear from you regarding recent developments, if only it's something like Theo said; that you're waiting on CLA or someone else before commenting futher.

I am waiting on CLA before commenting further...

[somestrangeflea]

Flea and Alyg seem particularly quiet.

Apologies. I have been quiet this game, but this was partially intentional. The game seems to have a "conversational style", for lack of any better words. I've read the posts in this thread, then refreshed to literally find ten more.

Sorree!

[somestrangeflea]

Please note that I'm not votiing him just because he is lurking. I am already used to lots of people drifting away from their mafia games. Again, he is actively lurking.

Very good.

And, more importantly, I thought his bandwagon push on AlyG was a scummy move.

OH OF COURSE! The perfectly logical vote for AlyG followed by no further mention of his name is

obviously

pushing for a bandwagon...

Unvote

Vote: Cicero

On second thought,

Unvote

. I'm not feeling the flea-wagon either.

So, you unvote theo, and post that you're not feeling my wagon. Fair enough, except that 4 posts later...

Vote: somestrangeflea

So, what changed? The only post between your two posts which even related to me was cicero's post, which therefore means that cicero's post was what made you change your mind. What about his post made you change your mind about me?

[somestrangeflea]

But then Flea, the recipient of the random vote, comes along and questions that logic. But in no way do I see how scum would benefit from such a reaction. Nor do I see ANY rationale behind the assertion that this is the move that a scum who was trying to look town would make. Just the opposite.

I expect scum to try very hard not to do anything that might get flagged at all.

Put simply I personally would have been more likely to do what AlyG did if I was town than if I was scum.

I agree with the bolded point entirely. However, the way I see it, AlyG was trying to not get flagged by acting similarly to everyone else by random voting. Yes, AlyG was trying to do something that wouldn't get flagged in any way, but I thought that he had simply failed at that.

Finally, I notice that Flea has a tendency to OMGUS. He voted for AlyG after AlyG randomly voted for him and has just voted for me after I made this case of suspicion against him. I bring this to the town's attention not as a scum tell, but to suggest you keep it in mind when assessing his motivation for any further votes. Not that they will continue being OMGUS (after reading this he'll be unlikely to do that) but because if he IS a townie, he seems to have an emotional knee jerk elements to his voting.

Quite true. I seem to have a tendancy to look harder for holes in other's arguments against me.

Looks like he's finally getting into this game again.

I'M BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

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2. He seems to want to derail the bandwagon on flea, that suggests he an flea are in concort w/ each other.

To be fair, that's a pretty WIFOM point. Some scum have a tendency to "buddy up" with townies.

3. Flea has been lurking on purpose. I've heard that is a big scumtell.

Please come up with your own arguments. Suspecting people based on what "you've heard" are scumtells is incredibly poor. Otherwise, I'd be suspecting you because you gave a numbered list.

I've heard

that's a scumtell...

4. He's leaving his vote on AlyG, and I'm not sure why.

No I'm not. I suppose that's pretty easy to miss though. Except you didn't...

5. Flea is currently voting on Cicero, who I think is town. That smells of scum to me.

Is this not effectively OMGUS voting on behalf of someone else?

I wasn't feeling the flea wagon at first, but then I began to question why theo was defending him. The conclusion I came to was that they must be scumbuddies.

That's a pretty poor conclusion to jump to...

The reason I'm voting for flea and not theo is because he's more likely to get lynched right now. Call it what you will, I call it playing the field.

I call it opportunistic scum, going after both the popular wagons, in the hope that

one

of them will get deaded...

Unvote
Vote: Prof. Guppy

ObvOMGUS...

Mod Edit

Vote Count

somestrangeflea- 4 (cicero, Gorgon, Prof. Guppy, shaka!!)

Prof. Guppy- 3 (Battle Mage, daedalus, somestrangeflea)
Honary Hitchhiker- 2 (AlyG, ChocolateAttack)
Battle Mage- 1 (pwayne66)

Not voting (2): Honary Hitchhiker, theopor_COD

7 to lynch

[somestrangeflea]

2. He seems to want to derail the bandwagon on flea, that suggests he an flea are in concort w/ each other.

To be fair, that's a pretty WIFOM point. Some scum have a tendency to "buddy up" with townies.

No, your assertation is WIFOM. Mine uses Occi-whats-his-name's Razor. Often, the simple explanation is the best one.

I find it suspicious that you replied 3 hours after cirero's previous post, yet you didn't address any of his points, and the above was the only point of mine you addressed. Please do so...

And respond to theo's post as well, while you're at it...

[somestrangeflea]

Okay, you're not scum. Satisfied?

Here's a thought, why not answer the questions which are actually being asked in a convincing way, rather than buckling under the pressure of actually having to justify your opinion?

[somestrangeflea]

Let me rephrase:

Why not try to convincingly answer the questions which are being asked, rather than buckling under the pressure of actually having to justify your opinion?

[somestrangeflea]

Let's just hope you don't act like such a total ass in your new game.

It's like he's saying what we're all thinking!

[somestrangeflea]

And yes, I reserve the right to change my mind based on your future posts.

The above is an acceptable viewpoint...

The below is not...

And yes, I can see inconsistencies with my earlier opinions too - and NO it doesn't make me scummy

Since when were you the sole judge of what is and isn't a scumtell? Especially regarding your own actions?

1. Your "strangle" list is just a list of people who have fallen inactive. I don't feel that this classes as lurking. Not only that, but I can simply remedy this by saying

Mod: Prod Daedalus

.
2. Your "should consider lynching" is just a list of people who have lurked at some point in the game. AlyG hasn't posted in 3 days, so I'm going to post

Mod: Prod AlyG

, and, apart from my lurking, you don't actually have anything on me.

Other than lurking, you have very little on anyone, TBH. Put all your points on your top suspects into a single post, and you may get a response addressing them

As for Eroto, I'm gonna

Unvote

, but I will be keeping a close eye on you. I have this theory that players who subtly refuse to answer questions directed at them are scum. Don't take this too heavily at the moment though. It's just a theory, and I'm quite tempted to just throw out everything PJ has said under the impression that it's all just total bullshit.

[somestrangeflea]

EDWOP:
PJ -> PG, obvobv

[somestrangeflea]

The reason I need to be inconsistent, as all townies often are, is because of continuing evidence.

That's fine, but that's not inconsistency, per se. Provided you can actually back up your points properly, and you don't switch within 2 posts from OBVTOWN to VOTE: XXXX, then "inconsistency" is fine.

[somestrangeflea]

Waiting for Jalyn to say words, for a start...

[somestrangeflea]

Can we get a roll call of who is still actively playing?

Cicero: Actively playing?

You?

Ping!

[somestrangeflea]

Unvote
Vote: AlyG

Lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk, lurk...

[somestrangeflea]

Are you a backup of a specific role (if you are,

don't

say what it is), or will you simply replace the first town power role to die, regardless of what that is?

[somestrangeflea]

Ding ding ding. That's what a backup is.

Meh. Normally, backups are given a specific role, like Backup Doc (Nurse), or things like that.

Meh, whatever...

[somestrangeflea]

However, seems kinda odd for a scum to claim a useless role(on day1) so i'm going to

unvote: AlyG

for now. You're not off the hook by any means though.

I would say it is the kind of claim that won't get contradicted, which is the only kind he COULD make on day 1 if he was scum.

Just to clarify this (cicero bork'd his tags), White said the above, not me...

[somestrangeflea]

Vote: Somestrangeflea

because when i was on 4 votes flea immediately voted me to keep the pressure on me. his reasons for voting were lurk, lurk, lurk. A bit hypocritcal i believe.

More coming

.

I doubt that highly...

[somestrangeflea]

Flea, you have still never answered to my satisfaction (unless I missed it) why you were lurking on purpose. Want to give that a go?

The game seems to have a "conversational style", for lack of any better words. I've read the posts in this thread, then refreshed to literally find ten more.

That's my reason, and I stand by it. Whether or not you believe it is your choice.

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I find this ridiculous, you are all wasting your time on the inactive players, if you ask me, just get them replaced. Borchmore, Battle Mage and now Kakeng is scum.

It has the most solid argument yet the rest of you just keep on throwing theories out at the inactive players. HAS NO ONE NOTICED THAT KAKENG HAS BEEN INACTIVE TO?

But AlyG isn't inactive, that's the problem. He's not contributing anything to the game, and he's posting just enough to avoid replacement.

[somestrangeflea]

Fortunately Flea and Battlemage could still be scum. I am pretty much convinced that Flea is scum at this point though. You voted for him as well at one point as I recall.

Fortunately? That sounds like the language of someone who's worried their case isn't sticking.

You have no case on me. You're just throwing my name into almost every post and acting as though it's relevant.

Shaka!!'s post didn't mention me, yet your next post brings me up.

White's 387 has nothing to do with me, at all, yet you still manage to throw my name into your next post.

White's 356 has nothing to do with me, yet you manage to throw my name into your next post.

Hell, you even "accidently" threw my name into 355...

Unvote
Vote: cicero

ObvOMGUS...

Mod Edit

Vote Count

AlyG- 1 (pwayne66)
Chocolate Attack- 1 (White)
cicero- 1 (somestrangeflea)
Erotomachia- 1 (Theopor_COD)
Jalyn- 1 (Gorgon)
Kakeng- 1 (shaka!!)
somestrangeflea- 1 (AlyG)


Not voting (5): Chocolate Attack, cicero, Erotomachia, Jalyn, Kakeng

7 to lynch[/quote][/quote]

[somestrangeflea]

Heh. Maybe I would be less suspicious if you quit ObvOMGUSing and rolled up your sleeves and showed that you could do a little scumhunting.

Done.

EITHER you AND Aly are scum OR Aly is town and you are scum.

Why?

Let's assume that was true, why would it be bad to continue to bring the town's attention to it?

Because it's not relevant.
I can continuously write "...but cicero is scum." at the end of all my posts about White*, but it won't strengthen my case against you, and it's irrelevant to White, so why post it?

*White was chosen arbitrarily, and this post is not meant to convey any information about him whatsoever. Promise!

[somestrangeflea]

No. You really haven't. Do you mean you are planning to?

No, I mean I have, you're just annoyed because it's you that I'm going for.

Because your case against Aly was ridiculous.

Is this a widely held viewpoint?

Discussion: Who we should lynch.
Irrelevant Response: I like pizza
Relevant Response: I haven't stopped suspecting Flea.

No...

Discussion: I don't think AlyG would fakeclaim.
Your response: Let's lynch flea.

Discussion: You want to lynch an uncountered power role?
Your response: Yes. Also, here's something Flea said, that is unrelated to Aly's claim.

Of course not. You wouldn't vote for White until he voted for you. After that though, he'd better watch out. You're the OMGUS king, dude.

Precisely, because White hasn't bombarded me with bullshit.

Flea was the Obv OMGUS remark after your vote referring to yourself or Cicero?

It was about myself, but was a sarcastic reference to the fact that cicero believes that everything I do is OMGUS, hence the wink...

[somestrangeflea]

Why do I feel like this game has deteriorated to townies bickering amongst themselves while the scum are absently watching? What is this game being played by? 12 people? *jaw hits the floor* How about 5 people.

This is stupid. Cicero, calm down or you're incriminate yourself beyond repair.

No I won't. But I agree. This is pointless. You watch your temper and I'll watch mine and the three of us, who I firmly believe are all town... well actually I firmly believe Shaka is town town and I think you are but need to look closer... can do some scum hunting. And since I *highly* doubt that you actually think I'm scum, you might want to put it somewhere useful instead of waving it around like a bat.

If you have three people who are, in your mind, cleared from being scum, you have three too many. Clearing one player, without investigations or whatever, isn't very good, let alone three!

Some Strange Flea what do you think about BM?

I try not too, it ruins my day...

I find it incredibly hard to read BM, since his playstyle is just plain weird to me... That being said, scummy is scummy, regardless of playstyle.

You've only argued with Cicero over I have no idea I've forgotten now.

Yeah...

I'm not very comfortable with the fact that me and Cicero effectively got "SHUTUPPLXKTHX"...

[somestrangeflea]

neither are willing to concede a point. It ends up being a terribly distracting, nitpicking snark infested quibble fest.

Really?!

I hadn't noticed...

[somestrangeflea]

Opens don't count as minis.

[somestrangeflea]

It's interesting that you say this, and then you ignore my question to you, a question you've apparently ignored repeatedly. Let's make it official.

vote: somestrangeflea

.

Uh... I thought I had, but apparently not...

why not respond to some of them at that time? If you can't respond to some of them at that time, why not respond to some of them later?

Because:
1. During this period, IIRC, nothing was actually directed at me.
2. "Breaking into" a conversation which is advancing at such a rate isn't as easy as you might think, and nothing really caught my eye enough to entice me into trying...

[somestrangeflea]

a) the argument over Prof. Guppy's play;

Prof. Guppy's play was incredibly scummy, no doubt about it, and neither of the replacements have actually contributed very much (although I imagine Skruffs will). I have noticed that PG's crimes seem to have been paid less attention to after he replaced out, which seems kinda weird...

b) the argument between cicero and White;

I'm on White's side in this argument... However, something else I've noticed is that this game does seem to have, or has had, a number of volatile players. Without meaning to sound too patronising, but myself, cicero, White, BM and PG seem to have trouble keeping calm, which can't be good...

c) Battle Mage's play, when he was in the game?

Battle Mage's play is... alternative, to say the least.

However, broken logic is scummy, not a playstyle...

[somestrangeflea]

I'm on White's side in this argument... ...

Interesting reversal. How do you reconcile saying that with this.

Yeah...

I'm not very comfortable with the fact that me and Cicero effectively got "SHUTUPPLXKTHX"...

Inconsistency? They are two completely unrelated posts.
1 = In the argument between you and White, I believed that White was correct.
2 = I disliked the fact that my argument with you was cut short.

Other than the keyword "argument", there's nothing about the two posts which are in anyway related to each other.

I'm not interested in whose side you were on.

Well why would you be? You didn't ask!

[somestrangeflea]

Sorry - I'm confused. My argument with White was over him wanting the argument cut short. Hence why I would connect the two. How do you perceive it?

I saw it as an argument over the validity of your case against me.

[somestrangeflea]

Nah, I wanted you two to stop bickering because it wasn't going anywhere other and

giving you two post count

and not convincing anyone else.

S**t! He's on to us!

*runs

[somestrangeflea]

If you believe this, why didn't you vote for him when you popped back into the game in your 196?

Because his very scummy play came after 196, throughout the next two pages, from 200 to 250. I did vote for PG during that time, in 225.

BM and PG are no longer in this game, so presumably 2/5 of that won't be a problem.

True. That was simply an overview comment on the game as a whole though...

And I can definitely see the case for cicero and White. Can you give me an example of one of your posts where you felt that you weren't staying calm enough?

Sure. 410.

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flea- An active lurker. Got rope will hang.

That's it? Seriously? Quite poor, considering that's all that you're using as the basis for a lynch.

But, back the the point at hand...

Vote: Kakeng

We've got rope, and we're bored...

[somestrangeflea]

As such, with apologies to Shaka, I'm parking my vote back in its normal parking spot:

Unvote, Vote:SomeStrangeFlea

I find it quite poor that you've actually stopped looking for any other suspects, and further evidence against me, and have simply begun "parking" your vote on me when you have nothing else to do.

[somestrangeflea]

Reasons for voting shaka!!

1. During the beginning of the game, they were the least most talkative, if that makes sense.
2. One of the people on the Jordan bandwagon
3. Became even less talkative after I voted on them.

I don't see why everyone is making such a fuss over it. It seems that this one vote on shaka!! is more important than the jordan bandwagon, which I still see no apparent reasoning for.

Shaka!! lynched the mod? OSHI-

[somestrangeflea]

Both AlyG ones were bad because they were on my replacement.

But does that inherently make them "bad" wagons? Try to think about this objectively. If you weren't replacing AlyG, what would you think of his wagon?

[somestrangeflea]

You could help mitigate this somewhat by... you know... actually playing. Most of your posts are one-liners, and most are responses to things directed at you. You've started answering questions directed at you, which is good, but you're not asking any of your own questions or giving opinions without being prompted, which is bad. cicero hits it on the head in his 631: you're not scum-hunting, you're just lying there. Unlike our other lurkers, you're active enough that you could be playing, but you're not.

In the recent 18 pages, I've been steadily finding this game more and more difficult to care about.

To address Flea's concern which seems to concerns you - (

because my behavior is oh so much scummier than fleas

(/eyeroll) - I am still scumhunting.

Once again, you're throwing your opinion of me in when it is unnecessary. Stop it.

Not vote me. I replied to Flea that way because if *I* was guilty of it (which I wasn't) he was *more* guilty of what he was accusing me of. so, at best he's all at once a hypocrite and by his own logic a better lynch target than me. I thought that was clearly inferrable from my response, but I'm happy to have clarified.

I keep my vote on you because I keep finding more reasons to, and any time I do, you claim that I'm not scumhunting. You, on the other hand, appear to have stopped trying to build your case against me, and simply assumed that your current one will suffice...

the simple truth is that the replacements in this game have, quite simply, taken the wind out of my sails.

/same

[somestrangeflea]

The fact of the matter is this. We have been looking for a replacement for Kakeng for over a week, and we haven't got one yet. In terms of gameplay, he may as well be dead. The chance of a replacement appearing is, IMO, decreasing, and we may as well lose dead weight...

Vote: Kakeng

[somestrangeflea]

I still think Skitzer's the play.

I am a Backup. When any power role dies, I may PM to replace them, but I don't have to. I believe that there is more than one. I think pwayne is

another

, due to his uneasiness about voting for one.

You think it's likely we have two backups huh? Usually town has 2/3 power roles - imagine being scum spotting the doctor only to find out there's another one or the cop for instance.

I agree that a backup is terribly swingy, it's essentially a combined Deputy/Nurse. Skitzer appears to believe that there are at least three, judging by his use of "another" instead of "the other". Surely you must know that a Nurse themselves is seen by many as unbalancing, so I'm not sure that you genuinely believe that this is a setup which could, potentially, have a backup backup backup Doc. Or a backup backup backup Cop. Or a back up Doc and a back up back up Cop. Etc.

Vote: skitzer

If the Kakeng replacement situation doesn't improve, I will advocate his lynch, purely in an attempt to get this game out of stasis...

Mod Edit

Vote Count

skitzer- 4 (ChocolateAttack, cicero, somestrangeflea, theopor_COD)

Kakeng- 2 (shaka!!, skruffs)
cicero- 1 (Skitzer)
Skruffs- 1 (White)
somestrangeflea- 1 (Jester)



Not voting (3): Gorgon, Kakeng, pwayne66

7 to lynch

7 days till deadline

[somestrangeflea]

I still think Skitzer's the play.

I am a Backup. When any power role dies, I may PM to replace them, but I don't have to. I believe that there is more than one. I think pwayne is

another

, due to his uneasiness about voting for one.

You think it's likely we have two backups huh? Usually town has 2/3 power roles - imagine being scum spotting the doctor only to find out there's another one or the cop for instance.

I agree that a backup is terribly swingy, it's essentially a combined Deputy/Nurse. Skitzer appears to believe that there are at least three, judging by his use of "another" instead of "the other". Surely you must know that a Nurse themselves is seen by many as unbalancing, so I'm not sure that you genuinely believe that this is a setup which could, potentially, have a backup backup backup Doc. Or a backup backup backup Cop. Or a back up Doc and a back up back up Cop. Etc.

Vote: skitzer

If the Kakeng replacement situation doesn't improve, I will advocate his lynch, purely in an attempt to get this game out of stasis...

Wow. This actually looks sort of like scumhunting.

/snark off.

I agree with your target and conclusion here Flea but not your reasoning. Do you really think Skitzer is thinking at the level of weighing game balance? I mean you have seen how skitzer plays and yet you wrote "surely you must know that a nurse themselves is seen by many as unbalancing". I didn't know that and I think it's fair to say that I have a greater grasp of the proceedings than Skitzer shall we say.

Do you think he is better at Mafia than he is letting on?

Hmm. It seems Thesp's essay was written a lot earlier than I thought it was... The "surely you must know..." was a bit condescending, and now wrong, so apologies due there...

However, I do stand by my point though that

three

backups does seem like a scum overkill, and I do believe that skitzer would realise

that

. Gives me a slight hint of rolefishing, TBH...

[somestrangeflea]

Ssf - 3 backups? You're using the implausible idea of 3 backups to refute the idea of 1, when there's only 1 claimed backup role?

No, I'm using the implausible idea of 3 backups to refute skitzer's idea that there are at least 3 backups...

[somestrangeflea]

To be fair, it looked as though skitzer was heading for the noose anyway, so I don't think we've lost any more than we would've lost anyway...

[somestrangeflea]

As for the rest of the town, how does this work if he gets modkilled? That doesn't end the day does it? We still have to/get to (not sure which verb appropriately applies) lynch someone else?

Some mods work differently than others, but normally modkills end the day.

[somestrangeflea]

Frankly on day one I think the townies, myself included, kinda sucked.

To be fair, there were over 20 of us!

I'm going to start Day 2 by requesting a post of thoughts and wonderings from our latest replacement, HH...

[somestrangeflea]

Apologies for recent inactivity. It's been a frantic weekend, and I'm going on an away for a few days. No idea how active I can be when I'm gone, but I'll be back on Friday.

If I need to be replaced, so be it...

[somestrangeflea]

I is back from holiday! Huzzah!

Thoughts on the kills:
I agree thoroughly with the theory that Gorgon was vigged, and that Jester was killed by the Mafia and an SK, mainly because I don't really see an alternative.

Vig plus backup also seems a bit much, but not unbelievable.

Agreed. Limited-shot Vig, perhaps..?

Thoughts on... uhm... other things:

you are voting me for incorrectly out-guessing the mod.

To be fair, I don't see that as a particularly bad reason to be voting for someone. You pushed a point which eventually turned out to be false, which is what the Mafia are trying to do.

[somestrangeflea]

Ssf - humm. So my vote was the most suspicious because i pushed a point that turned out to be false, right, which was that his claim was probably not a role in a normal mini?

Not once did I say "most suspicious". I stand by the point that it is a slight scumtell if you push something which turns out to be wrong. Of course, town makes mistakes too, which is why it's only a slight scumtell...

Nobody else's reasoning was as faulty as that?

Not sure what you're getting at...

Mod Edit

Vote Count

cicero- 1 (Skruffs)
White- 1 (HackerHuck)

Not Voting- 7 (ChocolateAttack, cicero, pwayne66, shaka!!, somestrangeflea, theopor_COD, White)

5 to lynch

[somestrangeflea]

Cicero's tunneling has me a little worried. SSF was one of my suspects, but I'm also getting a wierd feeling about how Cicero is playing his cards.

I love you.

Cicero, I am of the opinion that trying to guess the rationale behind NK is so WIFOMy that it becomes a null tell.

- Flea's case against AlyG was scummy and filled with bad bent logic that seemed disingenuous

Such as..?

- AlyG turned up town

So, town aren't allowed to be wrong,

ever?

- The townie looking guy investigating Flea turned up dead.

I won't argue with that. Jester was a solid player, and it sucks to see him dead. But, and without going into heavy WIFOM territory, how does incriminate me?

- Flea has only ever OMGUSSed since then and

My last vote for you was removed on the 11th October, almost one whole month ago. I then voted for Kakeng, who was not voting, and has never voted for me. I then voted for skitzer, who was voting for you, and has

never

voted for me, so that's not OMGUS either.
Your use of the phrase "only ever" is complete and utter BS.

- has no actual appetite for scumhunting.

Prove it.

- and just actively lurks.

See above.

- and a bunch of you agrees that he looks really scummy..

This is an Appeal to Majority, and not an argument.

[somestrangeflea]

Sorry guys. I seem to be falling out of some of my games recently. This isn't the only game of mine to suffer. I won't reference specific games, but if you browse around you'll find them easily enough...

Cicero, I don't think it's fair that you agree with me that Jester's death is a null tell, before telling Skruffs that its not a town tell, and then maintaining that is is a scum tell.

Pwayne, your 858 isn't an analysis. You've summarized my posts and added some top notch sarcasm, but this:

(INTERUPTION:WHo is thesp anyway?)

seems to be the only thing you've actually added...

Thesp wrote an essay about the severe brokenness of the Nurse role, which I attempted to apply here.

Such as in the case I initially made against you which interested parties can read by using the drop down menu and reading my posts on the subject starting at my 19, 21 and particularly 23. Incidentally clicking the tiny white square in the upper left of any post will open the whole thread so you can see things in context.

I see. I think we're going to have to agree that we are at an impasse with regards to that situation. I saw AlyG's vote as having scummy logic behind it, you disagree and find me scummy for bandwagonning and OMGUSing. [/argument]

Who do you like in the Pwayne vs. Skruffs argument and why? What do you think of Skruffs overall? What do you think of White? Who do you think are scum in this game - and why?

For your first Q, please link me to what you're referring to. I assume you can remember where it is...

For your other 3, I'll reread the thread soon and answer. I hope...

@SSF- What I see right off the bat is intentional lurking and a flippant attitude towards it. Several "joking" OMGUSs also. These are basic scumtells but you seem to do them deliberately. Why?

Lurking - there's a huge difference between intending to do something and

wanting

to do something. I intend to go to work tomorrow, but I don't want to...
I felt I've made it clear that, at the time in question (around pages 6-10, IIRC), the lurking was intentional due to the nature of the conversation at the time. I wanted to post, but felt it would be unproductive and distracting from the topic at hand.
OMGUS - Different reasons for different votes. Find me specific votes you're interested in please!

It is worth mentioning that while doing his PBPA, flea is responsible for 3 of our 35 pages. Nearly 10% and more than his share of the 12 people would require. But compared to me (5) pages and Cicero (7), SSF is lurking.

I don't think it's fair to pick out 2 specific people to compare me to. Compared to the game as a whole, I'm fairly active, you said so yourself. Why is it that I'm scummy simply because I haven't been keeping up with you and cicero?

I agree with cicero that mod-kills and deadlines are needed soon. I realise that I'm being anti-town, but I am always more pro-game than pro-alignment.

TS's entry to the game was... different, to say the least. Advocating your own lynch can never be a good thing...

Mod Edit

Vote Count

HackerHuck- 2 (Toaster Strudel, shaka!!)

pwayne66- 1 (Skruffs)
Toaster Strudel- 1 (cicero)
White- 1 (HackerHuck)


Not Voting- 4 (ChocolateAttack, pwayne66, somestrangeflea, theopor_COD)

5 to lynch