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Post Post #117 (isolation #0) » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:37 am

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benhalkum wrote:
VOTE: nightfall


Why replace when we can just lynch deadweight.

lol
I’m not sitting well with this statement at all. Why are you so anxious to put a lynch on someone who hasn’t even been suspected?
benhalkum wrote:I am actually not so inexperianced as when I first signed up here at MS. So, usually there is a method behind my madness in which I don't care to explain at the present.
So you say you know what you’re doing? Heh, doubt it because what you’re 'doing' is emitting endless scum vibes.
benhalkum wrote:Prob not here or now. We all play this game different. Got to think, I came from a different bg of the game of mafia, my way of playing seems to confuse people here and make them nervous.
Basically you’re saying: "I know I’m playing weird, but don’t vote me!" Scummy.
benhalkum wrote:No, it wouldn't. Because if you lynch me and my role is revealed, all you learn is you are one less of your own. Am I expendable? Depends on who's eyes you look through. Do you want to test it? Be my guest, afterall.. it's only a game...
Oh yes, the classic "You’ll be sorry!" argument. Sacrificing yourself doesn’t help town in any way.
benhalkum wrote:I make a correction, I stated amde a suggesstion and NOT a vote, when in fact I did. But I stand by my reasons i originally voted for him. However, at this point I will
UNVOTE
due to m FOS.
Now that there’s so much pressure on you, you’re going to unvote? Seems to me like scum is getting scared.
benhalkum wrote:You and schismatized
That’s it? Not even gonna back it up? You’re just throwing suspicion every which way now, and it’s not helping your case one little bit. Is this part of your ultra secretive play style? Maybe a bit of pressure will help get you talking;

Vote: Benhalkum


For those of you who currently don’t have a vote on Ben, I’d like to hear what your take on him is. Why or why isn’t he the lynch for today?
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Post Post #119 (isolation #1) » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:54 am

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somestrangeflea wrote:
d3sisted wrote:For those of you who currently don’t have a vote on Ben, I’d like to hear what your take on him is. Why or why isn’t he the lynch for today?
Why are you convinced he's scum? More importantly, why did you ignore the possibility of ben being the Jester?
I thought it was pretty clear why I think he's scum in my PBPA.
And I think you might be right with the Jester role; it would definitely explain why he's been playing so scummy. I think I'm gonna back off and give him some room in that case.
Unvote
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Post Post #121 (isolation #2) » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:16 am

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Welcomeness.
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Post Post #126 (isolation #3) » Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:40 pm

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Care to comment on ben?
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Post Post #139 (isolation #4) » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:47 am

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@Kerplunk: I was being cautious so as not to vote the Jester. I still stand by my previous posts and think that your predecessor was extremely scummy.

I'm really not liking that "he must be the Cop" statement either; it reeks of rolefishing. Ryan definitely has a point.
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Post Post #152 (isolation #5) » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:06 pm

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Ryan is right, Jimmy's post
did
sound like rolefishing.

As for SSF, I don't see why you're making a joke about grossly distorting others' posts by pulling them out of context when everyone else is posting in absolute seriousness. You are just trying to exaggerate ryan's case over nothing.

Jex, you were really fast to put a vote on someone in a tough situation. As soon as you see ryan is in a spot to easily collect a wagon, you threw one on him with baseless arguments. It's only expected of him to be defensive at this point, seeing as he's getting attacked on 4 fronts.
Unvote; Vote: Jex
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Post Post #158 (isolation #6) » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:32 am

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@Kerplunk: I stated in my previous post why I voted Jex. You've got me wrong, I never said I suspected JimmyR or SSF, I only said that one post sounded like rolefishing, and that SSF shouldn't be taking stuff out of context.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #7) » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:59 am

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I've thought about it, and the case against ryan largely rings true for me. Besides, Jex wasn't a good vote anyway.

Unvote; Vote: ryan
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Post Post #168 (isolation #8) » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:33 am

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No, I looked over ryan's posts again and I realized his defenses were very insubstantial.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #9) » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:19 pm

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No, I said I agree with ryan that Jimmy was rolefishing, but I think his defense to the other accusations are insubstantial.

And ryan, first you try to apply pressure to pooky to "see if a few votes will get him contributing". Then you turn around and FoS me and JDodge, adding that you still think Pooky is the lynch for today? Vote hop much?
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Post Post #173 (isolation #10) » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:05 pm

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I didn't base my vote entirely on what JDodge thinks, I also reread the thread and I think you're the scummiest at this point.

Your posts reek strongly of OMGUS right now, and I think the only reason that you FoS instead of Vote is that you're afraid I will call you on it.

This makes me even more certain that you are scum. My vote is permanent.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #11) » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:52 pm

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I'm pretty sure that is just JDodge's play style. Pooky, however, I'm not so sure of.
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Post Post #179 (isolation #12) » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:47 pm

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Numen, you act like it only takes 4 to lynch. We need 7. That's another 3 to jump on the wagon before we get a lynch.

The way you go through that entire thought process before voting me, when clearly there are other people who you deem are scummier than I am. What I'd like to know is, why aren't you voting them?
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Post Post #182 (isolation #13) » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:17 pm

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You are misinterpreting my actions. At first I agreed with ryan, and while you were attacking ryan I found you scummy, so I voted you. But then I looked back at ryan's posts and they emited generous amounts of scum vibes, so I'm not focusing my attention on him.

Furthermore, I am not bandwagoning. I would've voted ryan regardless of JDodge and Pooky. Now, how is that a sketch?
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Post Post #188 (isolation #14) » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:24 am

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Kerplunk wrote:d3sisted gets scummier with every post. I'd be happy to lynch him.
Wow. Everyone is so eager to get on my case that you all just let this slide by the radars?
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Post Post #191 (isolation #15) » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:48 am

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@Numen7: ryan comes to mind.

@ryan: I am not at all worried about getting an FoS. As for your question, how about your vote on Pooky? You single out one of the lurkers, and don't give any reason other than "a pressure vote". He may be lurking or inactive, but that
does not
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Post Post #192 (isolation #16) » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:50 am

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I'm also going to
unvote
now seeing as everyone seems to think ryan is town, and started attacking me for voting him.
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Post Post #195 (isolation #17) » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:54 pm

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Atticus wrote:Before I finish my read, I need to

Vote: d3sisted


He's the scummiest player I see.
He's eager to vote, opportunistically, and back off when seen.

His reasoning for most of his votes is,
"Yeah! I do see what so-and-so is saying! What'shisface
is
scum!"
Which I don't like.
Wow. You are really close-minded.
I am eager to vote and opportunistic because that is just my play style. I see someone scummy, and I'll vote for them. And I didn't just back off because I was "seen", I unvoted because ryan seemed a lot more town than he did before. That also doesn't mean that I think he's completely, town, there's still a chance that he might be scum.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #18) » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:42 pm

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Who said I'm trying to get out of a situation? Like I said, I unvoted because I don't think he's as scummy as he was a while ago.
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Post Post #202 (isolation #19) » Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:17 pm

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Atticus wrote:Afterwards, he gave a smarmy comment to you, and you unvote? Am I missing something?
How was his post smarmy?
Atticus wrote:Also, in the post in which you unvoted, you said it was because your vote was being attacked, and because everyone thought ryan was town.
That was only a minor part of the reason. My statement was teeming with sarcasm as well, you just didn't pick up on it.
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Post Post #207 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:21 pm

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Ok Atticus, how is that smarmy?
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Post Post #210 (isolation #21) » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:33 pm

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Wow. So you're just bullshitting reasons to vote me, regardless of whether they make sense or not. Nice.

Vote: Atticus
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Post Post #216 (isolation #22) » Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:35 pm

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Atticus wrote:To d3sisted, I prefer not to call it bullshitting. I call it a "non-understanding. " Also, I'm not saying that
my
reasons don't make sense. I'm saying
your
reasons don't make sense.
Doesn't matter what you call it. With this point invalid, your case against me boils down to nothing. You're just voting for the sake of bandwagoning.
Kerplunk wrote:d3sisted gets scummier with every post. I'd be happy to lynch him.

I will be away this weekend. On monday I will post again.
What the hell. So first, you see a couple of people throw suspicion on me, so you set yourself up to vote me. Cast some suspicion of your own, so you have something to go back upon when you're called for it.

Then you come back from vacation and the first vote you make is on the most convenient bandwagon available, supported by one line of reasoning? In case you didn't notice, I'm the one being attacked here, not Atticus. So when I point out his scumminess and pressure him with a vote, I'm the scummy one all of a sudden for doing that? I, for one, have presented credible reasons with my votes, something you failed to do. Not only that, but how am I supposed to properly defend myself against a vote like that?

Present your case properly, so I have a fair chance to counter and defend myself. And don't give me the same made-up "non understanding" crap that others have tried to hit me with, either. That just makes you look more scummy.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #23) » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:31 pm

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Ok, I'm going to need some time to respond to that.

But before I do, I'd just like to say: Wow. 4 of you flew onto the fucking bandwagon and none of you are even flinching about it? Am I the only one here who's doing some actual scumhunting?
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Post Post #231 (isolation #24) » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:48 pm

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Uh, no, jumping onto wagons (actual or potential) does not constitute scum hunting.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #25) » Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:01 pm

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117: d3sisted replaces SV. He attacks ben for numerous scumtells, and puts ben at L-2 as a "pressure vote"
I presented a complete case on Ben. The only logical thing to do after that is vote him.
119: unvotes because of the Jester factor which SSF brought up.
Yes, in a Jester game I am careful about who I vote. Unlike you, I do not throw random votes around.
152: agrees that Jimmy's "he must be the Cop" sounded like rolefishing (ridiculous, IMO), and attacks fleaboy for his reductio ad absurdum.
That's your opinion. In mine, he's rolefishing. And yes, if he's trying to use reductio ad absurdum, I'm not going to hesitate to point the finger.
He also attacks and votes Jex for trying to start a bandwagon on ryan. This is a baseless accusation, and I feel her vote was sound. Being overdefensive is generally a valid scumtell.
I see a scum-tell, I vote him. It is this poking around that constitutes real scumhunting. Overdefensiveness- ok, so whenever someone's getting attacked, you expect them to just take it while you shove it down their throats and say nothing in response? Who are you to draw the line between defending and overdefending?
Ryan might collect a bandwagon? That's another way of saying he's acting scummy.
Never said that. Either you're illiterate, or you misconstrued.
Post 152 strikes me as pushing the Jimmy "wagon" and defending ryan, without coming down clearly on the issue. In addition, I think he is trying to do with Jex the very thing he accuses Jex of doing.
You call one vote on Jimmy a wagon? Also, I defend whoever I think is town. My stance on the issue was very clear: ryan town, Jex scum.
158: backs off his statements on Jimmy and fleaboy. Subtly encouraging people to vote them, but denying it the moment it is questioned.
Jimmy was rolefishing, fleaboy taking quoting out of context. I haven't backed off at all, I still stand behind those assertions.
165: Now does a complete 180, says the vote on Jex wasn't good (maybe because no one else followed suit), and then starts the bandwagon which he accused Jex of trying to start earlier.
Whatever you say princess. I gave you my reason for doing a 180, take it or leave it.
168: "No, I looked over ryan's posts again and I realized his defenses were very insubstantial." Defenses against what? Ryan wasn't under attack except from SSF for taking things out of context, and for Jex for being overdefensive. Now d3sisted attacks him for "insubstantial defenses".
Yes, those are the exact defenses I was referring to.
171: Makes another stupid case against ryan based on his FoS of d3sisted and JDodge, calling it "vote-hopping". I see this as an OMGUS case, trying to deflect suspicion from a scummy voting pattern.
He was vote hopping, and I find that scummy. Didn't OMGUS for shit, my vote was already on him.
179: defends the ryan wagon because it wasn't a lynch wagon. Oh, please!
4/7 is not a lynch wagon.
182: claims he wasn't bandwagoning, simply voting him for scummy behavior. He really thought ryan was scummy enough to warrant 4 votes? The best case against ryan was posted by Jex, which was only four sentences long. And he says that his wagon is baseless!
Why should i care what Jex said? I'm voting ryan for my own reasons.
188: desperate deflecting post. Kerplunk has a vote on d3sisted, and clarifies how strongly he supports the case against d3.
Well none of you guys were scumhunting, so I had to do it myself.
191: tries to get me to join the ryan wagon.
No indication here whatsoever that I want you to join.
192: "I'm also going to unvote now seeing as everyone seems to think ryan is town, and started attacking me for voting him." The "sarcastic" post. He hopes to weasel his way out of suspicion by removing the offending vote. But the damage has already been done.
Again, just thinking about the Jester role.
195: claims he unvoted ryan because he suddenly looks a lot more town. No concrete explanation of what prompted the suspicions in the first place, nor of why these reasons no longer apply.
Scumhunting 101: Find someone scummy, pressure him, evaluate the response. Comes out scummy, keep the vote. Otherwise, take it off.
198: "Who said I'm trying to get out of a situation?" The two votes on you, and the suspicions expressed by a couple others are the situation. Your behavior is obviously trying to get out of it.
Still haven't answered my question. Give me some irrefutable evidence that I am "trying to get out of a situation".
202: Claims his post 192 was sarcastic
It was. You just didn't pick up on it.
210: Votes Atticus basically because he misused the word "smarmy". OMGUS.
Not OMGUS. He eventually admitted the smarmy statement was false reasoning, and I'm not about to tolerate someone who uses false reasoning to justify a bandwagon vote.
216: Claims that ryan's post being non-smarmy makes Atticus's case boil down to nothing. Atticus's reason to vote was d3sisted's voting pattern, not the smarminess of ryan's comments
He tried to fake evidence to exaggerate his claim, which also means he's trying to hurl whatever is within reaching distance at me, relevant or not.
Also accuses Kerplunk of setting himself up to vote d3sisted, then jumping on the bandwagon when he gets back. Ignoring the fact that Kerplunk had a vote on him before the "I'd be happy to lynch him" comment.
Then he's trying to rally votes into a bandwagon. Just as scummy, if not more.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #26) » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:06 pm

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Jimmy R wrote:
Unvote, Vote D3sisted


Wasn't confident enough to vote yesterday but after sifting through again, it's definitely the best case we've got. I don't feel the need to go through it all again here as I'd mostly just be repeating what has been said by others.

And for the last time, I wasn't rolefishing. I really can't believe anyone could take that joke as a rolefish, I mean seriously, we weren't even talking about the game at the time.

Like we've said, it's always gonna be a risk to lynch, however, D3 is taking a lot of time and effort to mount a defence, which doesn't seem like a Jester play to me. It's a little WIFOM but the Jester would probably let things ride and barely defend himself, so I think we're safe on that count.
That was the worst bandwagon I have ever seen. "it's definitely the best case we got"? Why don't you get off your ass and do some of your own hunting? Riding on others' reasons to justify the fact that
you've now put me at L-2?


Bullshit. Unvote; FoS: Jimmy
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Post Post #241 (isolation #27) » Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:54 pm

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ryan, Jex, Jimmy, distad; though the former three didn't actually place a vote, they're pretty damn close.

Claiming townie role.
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Post Post #244 (isolation #28) » Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:06 am

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@distad: Atticus prompted for a claim.
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Post Post #245 (isolation #29) » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:30 pm

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ryan wrote:I have placed no vote d3sisted but you do seem very shady in this game (kinda like a game we just finished together)
Ok, so point out how I seem shady. Up until now, you haven't shown much suspicion of me, so I take it you're just going along with stuff that's already been said. Otherwise, I'll just be forced to conclude that we have another opportunistic wagoner on our hands.
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Post Post #247 (isolation #30) » Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:22 pm

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You've completely avoided my question.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #31) » Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:38 pm

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So you're saying you don't believe a claim just because it's premature?
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Post Post #262 (isolation #32) » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:01 pm

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JDodge, you've had your vote on ryan for a while now. Care to comment or are you just going to lurker your way through without contributing anything decent?

I also find it interesting how Max replaces in and his first priority is finding the Jester, not scum. But then he makes this comment comment "but we need to lynch someone, that will give us things to analyse today" showing that he does not care about the Jester at all, he just wants a lynch. In fact, I'd go as far as to say he doesn't care about whos Town either.

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Post Post #278 (isolation #33) » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:40 am

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somestrangeflea wrote:Wo-uh... I mean, Egads! Numen's PBPA analysis on d3sisted was, in my opinion, fantastic.
Excuse me? I've managed to respond to each of those points individually in my defense, effectively reducing his analysis to ashes. There's no base in it any more, there's nothing "fantastic" about it.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #34) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:08 am

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Agreed. We'd be allowing scum to exert too much control over the game.

Besides, this so called consensus would be greatly influenced by mafia, who can band together in 3 (whereas townies have no one to trust but themselves). So in the end, they'll be deciding their own NK anyway.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #35) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:39 am

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WEEWOOWEEWOO! SCUMDAR SAYS FREUDIAN SLIP!

Sorry. Jokes aside,
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Post Post #295 (isolation #36) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:45 am

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I think I'd actually support a
replacement
for pooky, with Jimmy at a close second.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #37) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:49 am

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Not to mention his two most recent posts are votes without evidence.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #38) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:50 am

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Above post was about Pooky.

As for Jimmy: Friday. It is now Tuesday.
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Post Post #304 (isolation #39) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:12 am

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OOH, yeah, forgot about the long weekend. Labour day for us Canadians.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #40) » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:18 pm

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somestrangeflea wrote:
somestrangeflea wrote:
d3sisted wrote:
somestrangeflea wrote:Wo-uh... I mean, Egads! Numen's PBPA analysis on d3sisted was, in my opinion, fantastic.
Excuse me? I've managed to respond to each of those points individually in my defense, effectively reducing his analysis to ashes. There's no base in it any more, there's nothing "fantastic" about it.
And, in turn, he responded to each of those points in a way which, IMO, more convincing. You made no response to that post though...
The fact that you have still refused to respond to either this or Numen's post I refer to prompts me to
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I'm not putting you within hammering (or self-hammering, as the case may be) distance yet...
I don't see why I should respond to it when my original case sufficiently answers everything there. But if you really insist, I guess I could do up the response later tonight.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #41) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:12 pm

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Max wrote:we need to move onto a night here the first day lynch is always vital and normally the first day is over by now admittedly theres a jester but it can't rule the game for all we know it could be me it could be ryan, d3sisted anyone but the only players that are near hammer is d3sisted I think he is mafia but with that comes a risk of ending the game prematurely
HoS: d3sisted
That's the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen. First you say I'm Jester and now you say I'm scum? Stick to your story and play consistently.

My vote definitely stays.
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Post Post #336 (isolation #42) » Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:30 pm

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Max wrote:I think you should unvote atticus now
We need to move to night then we have a lead for tomorrow.

Now if we constantly fear the jester the jester wins.
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This is funny. The very first thing he said upon entering this game is that I'm Jester. So what does he go and do? Not only does he vote me, he's put me at L-1, saying "Now if we constantly fear the jester the jester wins. "
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Post Post #341 (isolation #43) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:40 am

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Post Post #343 (isolation #44) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:59 am

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Man, never knew how hard it is to draw suspicion on yourself. Seems so much easier in other games.
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