Mini 1636: Mafialand Mayhem! - [Game Over]

[curiouskarmadog]

Maybe because they are scum buddies, and Luca knows that Illl voting me is good way to get a town lynched.

who is they?

and why the fuck are YOU avoiding my questions...answer now please.

[droog]

karma, how do you feel about voting lapsa with me
either as a policy lynch for him to start making content
or because you suspect him for not making contetn

which he showed at game start he was able to do

[curiouskarmadog]

karma, how do you feel about voting lapsa with me
either as a policy lynch for him to start making content
or because you suspect him for not making contetn

which he showed at game start he was able to do

how do

you

feel about "X is being defensive/emotional is clearly scummy" attack/vote?

[curiouskarmadog]

or because you suspect him for not making contetn

which he showed at game start he was able to do

also what?

[MonkeyMan576]

Which questions was I supposedly avoiding? I probably just didn't see it.

[droog]

before:

Spoiler:

@Everyone:

What's your biggest strength at mafia game?

Answer:

I've been told that I'm good at 'following up' with my questioning.

@Aneninen, @Wake88: you have played together before?

@Aneninen who's your sweetheart?

(..) Would you be willing to give a rough estimate of how many years you've been playing? (..)

Do you, perhaps, have any slight reads on anyone as of yet? Maybe you have a bit of insider knowledge on someone's meta here?

(..) However, my memory on the details is foggy. As time wears on the memory fades ever so slightly.

you can call me Lapsa88

vote on Aneninen because of fluff

vote on Aeronaut because of doubling on you

zero insider knowledge

thing in common - can't remember losing my memory

@Wake88 and how do you define reason?

...I would add that him refusing to answer my question while wanting me to then answer his doesn't bode well. Not sure if he's Scum or inexperienced.

why not both?

In two hours—should nothing change—I'd quite like to discuss Wake88's absence regarding 61.

after:

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

but the example he gave came after his vote on you.

*yawn*

VOTE: Luca Blight

how about you do it captain coy, I will double check you for accuracy. got a couple other things I would like to look up, that is a bit more pressing me thinks.

woof woof

sharing is caring

UNVOTE:

-----===== Katie's jam recipe =====-----

@KatieB does your lack of time alternates?

I dunno

.

mix all of this with 2 teaspoons of assumption that we ain't nothing more but functions of time

movie quote

beep beep

You say in 69 that fluff wasn't your reason for voting Aneninen. Yet in 37 you did indeed vote on Anen because of fluff, and you linked to one of his posts as well.

*yawn*

VOTE: Wake88

hi

pacman

. who's scum?

give me a top scumread

it's a secret

Which is why later lapsa is weird

@Clown

what do you find weird?

Nevermind I am an above average poker player and my job is in technical support.

my dick is 13 inches long

and the specific example on which he based his vote

@Luca

third time

VOTE: Luca Blight

VOTE: Luca Blight

i would ote this with you mm

lapsa is capable of
explaining votes
answering questions
follow-up to his questions ((which he calls his strength!))
pushing on certain posts

so why isnt he anymore

[Luca Blight]

It isn't L-1 cos lll voted KatieB.

I am curious...why correct him?

if everyone was under the impression we were at -1, it might have provided some insight. So what purpose was this post?

1) Why would you assume that everyone else would have missed llll's vote?
2) What insight could we have got if I didn't mention it?
3) Why are you asking such stupid f*cking questions?

did you answer the question? what was the purpose of the post?

The purpose was to point out that it wasn't L-1, obviously.

if X thought MM was at -1, and hammered (out of no where) thinking it was indeed the hammer....that would have said a lot.

now quit being a dick, and answer the fucking question.

Why would scum:

a) Do that one day 1, thus incriminating themselves in the process
b) Hammer without checking the vote count first?

At what point would it have been acceptable to point out it isn't actually L-1?

[Luca Blight]

Droog, are you against a KatieB lynch?

[llll]

if X thought MM was at -1, and hammered (out of no where) thinking it was indeed the hammer....that would have said a lot.

now quit being a dick, and answer the fucking question.

In case Luca's second attempt at explaining things to you didn't work, let me try as well. Assuming everyone is as dumb at counting as you are does not actually make it so. Dispelling confusion is helpful and helps the town. Deliberately lying and sowing confusion only helps the scum. Why in the world would you lie and try to have an accidental lynch?

If I had a second vote, I'd throw it at you.

[Aneninen]

Aneninen

stop the fluff. you also are voting for

Monkey

That's true. But, regardless of that your post can still be weird at best.
A bit more about it: (1) either I'm wrong about Monkeyman and he's town, in that case you could be a scum going for a mislynch, (2) or both of you are scum and you decided to bus him (this is not too likely though), (3) it's also possible that Monkey is scum and you're a bad-town.

Anen you can't say "you'll regret lynching me" and then get suspicious of me if I decide I don't wanna lynch you -_-

I didn't like the speed of the change. Advocating my lynch and backpedalling

a few posts later

, that disturbed me.

wait arent you voting Monkeyman too? if Monkeyman flips town, this post gets scum points.

Elaborate, please. Why would I get "scum points"? Why not Lapsa?

if everyone was under the impression we were at -1, it might have provided some insight. So what purpose was this post?

That's a null, in my opinion. Though, before the unvote it was indeed L–1.

Maybe because they are scum buddies, and Luca knows that Illl voting me is good way to get a town lynched.

Excellent logic... apart from the fact that |||| removed his vote from your wagon. Sorry, ||||, I know that your pronoun is ||||, but I don't know the possessive form of it.

Meanwhile, I'm thinking about something. I'll post about it if I get some useful conclusions. It's about the wagons we have and the vote-moving and "not-moving".
But now, I'm not that confident about my vote as I was before.

UNVOTE:

[llll]

llll'l, llll'_, or llll's are all fine.

[Lapsa]

is that supposed to be a reaction test?

yes

lapsa is capable of
explaining votes
answering questions
follow-up to his questions (((

which he calls his strength!

)))
pushing on certain posts

so why isnt he anymore

I haven't called that my strength

I'm shy

[Lapsa]

Aneninen

stop the fluff. you also are voting for

Monkey

That's true. But, regardless of that your post can still be weird at best.
A bit more about it: (1) either I'm wrong about Monkeyman and he's town, in that case you could be a scum going for a mislynch, (2) or both of you are scum and you decided to bus him (this is not too likely though), (3) it's also possible that Monkey is scum and you're a bad-town.

it is possible that (1) you are bad-town, (2) you are bad-scum, (3) i like turtles

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay I got about 20-30 minutes to attempt to catch up.

First of all, for whoever asked (or commented on it) I was asking Wake about fluff, because at the time I thought the conversation about fluff on Day 1 was silly. I was curious what he deemed scummier, a post with fluff or someone who isn’t posting in here, but is elsewhere on site. Fluff on day one is nothing. It is the majority of posts in the first 10 pages. But what Ollie was doing WAS scummy in my book.

Which leads me to the next question somebody asked (not going back all the way to find who). Do I want to lynch lurkers….short answer…yes. Long answer, no? Meaning, Ollie wasn’t just a lurker. He wasn’t posting at all here AND he was very active in other games. I find that day 1 scum DO that. They will lurk and let a shitty wagon build on someone and jump in just a little and not commit to very much so they cant be ISOed later….I recently nailed scum for doing the EXACT SAME THING. Now. It is moot. Ollie was replaced…so my suspicion might not be valid. But also my vote isn’t on him now.

Okay reading at about page 10..if there is anything before that needs to be commented on. Please repost. I don’t have time to be as thorough as I would like to be.

KatieB is being super defensive right now, which seems scummy to me,

What the fuck?!

BEING DEFENSIVE/EMOTIONAL = SCUMMY IS BULLSHIT….BULLLLLLSHIT. I get defensive all the time…as town….AND as scum. I hate hate hate, when person X is being asked a ton of questions and when the post to answer those questions, people (usually scum) point the figure and say…you are being defensive. No…no they are not.

If Katie did ANYTHING scummy, it was disappearing when the heat dropped on her.


EDIT: (back to lurking, I went back to see if Katie was posting else where in this alt or her other…she/he is not..that being said, I would have found THAT scummy too)

It's very simple. Scum are more self aware in general than town.
Town, as you say, try to collaborate and collectively find scum.
Scum get defensive easily, use poor arguments, and get upset over little things(emotional).
So I don't see how I wasn't clear.

quote EXACTLY where Katie was being defensive. also the first two paragraphs of this post could be deemed defensive...am I scummy?

Evidently I have poor people and logic skills.

now who is being emotional?

That being said, what scum hunting have you done today?

also for those who are curious as to why I have issues with lurkers (who are posting else where) check out the last game I was in...it is current, so cant say more than that. might shed some light.

This comes across a little self-conscious...it's pretty obvious why lurkers are bad, so I don't see why he feels the need to justify this view. Pushes on someone who hasn't posted at all, even if they have posted elsewhere, are pretty pointless though.

did you check my last game out to see if I was lying? to see if my pov checks out? why or why not?

I'm not certain who is more scummy between Lapsa and Katie so I'll refrain from voting at the moment.

why?

Hey guys, haven't forgotten. Just really busty at the moment.

quit bragging.


Caught up on the most part…still good with my vote.

Hey Wake, why aren’t you voting someone?

Those two statements are both assumptive and incorrect. It would be scummy of me to start a new wagon if there is a better wagon to be on, which there is. I have repeatedly stated my reasoning, which is sound.

can you please address my 404 post.

[curiouskarmadog]

The purpose was to point out that it wasn't L-1, obviously.

okay we can take it slow if you need to. What was the purpose of pointing it out?

[MonkeyMan576]

RE: Lapsa/Katie, if two people are equally scummy, it makes more sense to wait than to vote right away and have to change your vote later.

RE: Katie being defensive and emotional, pretty much every post she has made. She is far too self aware to be town, in my opinion.

RE Scumhunting, I think I've pretty much nailed down Lapsa and Katie as scum, I'm not sure what more scumhunting I need to do in day 1.

[curiouskarmadog]

Why would scum:

a) Do that one day 1, thus incriminating themselves in the process
b) Hammer without checking the vote count first?

At what point would it have been acceptable to point out it isn't actually L-1?

who knows? but you didnt give anybody a chance to do so. but a quick hammer was not the only thing that could have been gleaned from people thinking it was -1.

never? let the mod post the vote count.

[MonkeyMan576]

Scum lie all the time, just because they claim to not know the vote count doesn't mean they don't know it.

[Aneninen]

it is possible that (1) you are bad-town, (2) you are bad-scum, (3) i like turtles

Heeeeey, one game is too small for two fluffy-idiotic trolling players and I've arrived here first.
By the way, I'm Foxxy Love IRL.

[Aneninen]

Actually I lied.
I'm Mystique.

[Aneninen]

RE: Lapsa/Katie, if two people are equally scummy, it makes more sense to wait than to vote right away and have to change your vote later.¹
RE: Katie being defensive and emotional, pretty much every post she has made. She is far too self aware to be town, in my opinion.²
RE Scumhunting, I think I've pretty much nailed down Lapsa and Katie as scum, I'm not sure what more scumhunting I need to do in day 1.³

(1) That's very wrong, in my opinion. Why not voting for the scummier one?
(2) I'm at a loss, as for Katie. If I didn't know that (s)he's a Sthar alt I'd call her scum. But somehow I doubt that a scum-Sthar would play like that.
(3) Not good either. You should observe the others as well. Getting sure townreads is just as important, for example.

[curiouskarmadog]

if X thought MM was at -1, and hammered (out of no where) thinking it was indeed the hammer....that would have said a lot.

now quit being a dick, and answer the fucking question.

In case Luca's second attempt at explaining things to you didn't work, let me try as well. Assuming everyone is as dumb at counting as you are does not actually make it so. Dispelling confusion is helpful and helps the town. Deliberately lying and sowing confusion only helps the scum. Why in the world would you lie and try to have an accidental lynch?

If I had a second vote, I'd throw it at you.

Really now? there is a big fucking difference in letting people believe something AND lying. explain to me exactly how I was trying to have an accidental lynch? if MM was at -2, where was the accidental lynch? If others thought MM was at -1, it would be interesting to see what people did. and hey asshole, i never said anyone was at -1 did I?

So explain to me the scum motivation behind letting people think someone is at -1? What EXACTLY did I do that was scummy, other than ask Luca why he said something?

I am calling bullshit on the suspicion.

[Aneninen]

Scum lie all the time, just because they claim to not know the vote count doesn't mean they don't know it.

I wouldn't be that sure about that. They might not care if none of them are wagoned, for example.
It seems that you're back to producing theoretical posts... why ?

[curiouskarmadog]

wait arent you voting Monkeyman too? if Monkeyman flips town, this post gets scum points.

Elaborate, please. Why would I get "scum points"? Why not Lapsa?

you are attacking him for his vote

I like

Monkey's

fluency of thought.
Will unvote for now.

vote: MonkeyMan576

????!!
Just why, Lapsa, why?!?
Keep producing shytty posts and shytty context for your votes and you're get lynched because of them. Possible scum or possible useless townie, that's my read on you right now.

(Reading the latest posts thoroughly and answering them will happen later; need to go to work right now.)

wait arent you voting Monkeyman too? if Monkeyman flips town, this post gets scum points.

He is voting someone that you supposedly think is scum...why attack him on his vote? what was the motivation behind it. IF MM is scum, was his vote bad?

[MonkeyMan576]

(1) If you don't wait, then you just get accused of vote hopping. Voting isn't the only way to apply pressue, after all.
(2) Why do you say that regarding scum-Sthar/Kate?
(3) I am observing everyone. I think I've said who I think are town.