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Post #33 (isolation #9) » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:38 am
Postby Jack »
I didn't hammer you.
Also,
[IC]lynch all liars refers to a meta game strategy of lynching everyone who lies to discourage townies from lying. However it is not meant for use the way Battle Mage described it, it's more along the lines of "doctor claimed to be townie and is now claiming doc" lynch him. Or "townie claimed cop but wasn't" lynch him.[/IC]
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Post #48 (isolation #13) » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:27 pm
Postby Jack »
No no no. If you are vanilla town and you claimed cop, and then the real cop claims all you've done is out a power role. There's no point in claiming vanilla townie usually. Just avoid getting to the point where you are going to be lynched.
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Post #54 (isolation #15) » Tue May 01, 2007 5:08 am
Postby Jack »
In general, you don't put someone at lynch -1 unless you are ok with someone else hammering them. Because it happens, this is how newbie games end up with page lynches.
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Post #71 (isolation #16) » Wed May 02, 2007 7:49 pm
Postby Jack »
I'm not inclined to jump all over someone for what could be a newbie mistake.
fos:yakult
not sure I liked the tone of your accusation of tendril. Tendril
did
explain his reasoning, it was to put more pressure on elKabong. He could be scum pushing for speedlynch or mistaken townie, I'm not going to assume either just yet. One thing though, generally whenever a newbie makes a newbie mistake there is at least one scum that jumps all over them for it.
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Post #126 (isolation #22) » Mon May 07, 2007 7:07 am
Postby Jack »
I'll look over it before any lynching is done. I'll take a couple examples though:
It is not wrong for you to think someone has made a good point. Several people in this game have made excellent points. However, why bother stating your agreement? It looks as though you are trying to earn brownie points by complimenting people, so as to evade suspicion. This game is all about suspicion and not trusting people, so simply giving other people's comments your seal of approval has no possible rationale other than making a personal appeal. A good town will suspect everyone and try to reason their way through, a good scum will try and minimise suspicion against themself (to simplify). Thus, I still find you suspicious in this regard. I don't care if you agree with me, since all that leads me to think is that you are trying to influence me to adopt a particular position. "check" overruled.
what the christ is this? Why bother stating your agreement? Stating your position can only help the town. It makes it hard for scum to go with the flow if they can't contradict earlier opinions. But vollkan accuses him of trying to earn "brownie points"?
You call me inconsistent. Inconsistency is defined as:
the quality of being inconsistent and lacking a harmonious uniformity among things or parts. Now, my gameplay has been uniform throughout this game, if maybe a little defensive in the beginning. Yours, vollkan, changed dramatically. You started out with shorter posts, and now your posts have reached book length, all over strange and bizarre reasons...
This is also ridiculous. Of course the game starts with shorter posts and ends up with longer posts.
Both of their arguments appear fake and insincere to me, I think they are distancing scum.
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Post #159 (isolation #27) » Wed May 09, 2007 1:55 pm
Postby Jack »
kabenon007 wrote:it makes me uneasy that vollkan hasn't posted in awhile. Not suspicous, just uneasy. As if he's writing a post that will take us ages to read.
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Post #161 (isolation #28) » Wed May 09, 2007 2:10 pm
Postby Jack »
I reread vollkan a bit and he made the same sort of ridiculous arguments against tendril so I don't think I can make the claim that he and kabenon were distancing. But I do think his arguments are contrived. Contrived arguments are a sure sign of scum, because scum are the only ones who know that the people they are accusing are innocent.
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Post #192 (isolation #31) » Sun May 13, 2007 9:03 am
Postby Jack »
Jack
What do you think about the fact that Vollkan could be hammered by me, but we haven't really heard from Dio? What do you think about Dio? What about me?
You had two scum pairs on your radar in the course of this game:
kabenon/vollkan
and
BM/vollkan
What changed your mind from one to the other? Why are you so sure that vollkan is a scummer?
I thought the whole argument between vollkan and kabenon was scummy because it seemed forced and contrived. But rereading I saw that vollkan argued like that with other people and that kabenon wasn't so bad.
I think vollkan is scum because his arguments are fake. This is the primary distinction between scum and town, town are genuinely looking for scum and scum are pretending. I get this vibe from vollkan like he's grasping at things to find suspicious in other people and contriving his arguments from there.
I think we'd learn as much from someone prematurely hammering as we would from putting him back at -2 and talking a bit more.
I also think that comment of BM from the start of your last point was directed at me. It's a funny comment because BM says that he doesn't like that kind of accusation and then makes one himself.
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Post #263 (isolation #36) » Mon May 21, 2007 8:40 pm
Postby Jack »
Well, this game isn't going anywhere. I've laid out what I think is a very strong case in previous posts which few people cared to comment on. I'm not going to reiterate it every time.
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Post #267 (isolation #37) » Tue May 22, 2007 8:17 am
Postby Jack »
That was just a little sidenote man. That's obviously not my logic for wanting vollkan lynched otherwise I wouldn't have been voting him beforehand.
I do think that if vollkan was a townie then scum would think they could get away with a hammer. Of course it's possible scum are already on the wagon or they have aligned themselves with vollkan somehow, but I think it's less likely.
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Post #294 (isolation #39) » Sun May 27, 2007 5:40 am
Postby Jack »
Sorry trust, this is generally how I play when I'm short on time and convinced someone is scum. BM and vollkan look like scumbuddies.
I thought I explained why vollkan is scum. Mafia
know
the people they are going after are innocent, and so they aren't genuinely trying to find out if they are scum. I had a post where I went over one of vollkans posts and explained why I felt it was contrived and not genuine. This is probably the biggest scum tell.
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Post #354 (isolation #43) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:24 am
Postby Jack »
BM is probably scum. But I'm not comfortable voting anyone but vollkan. Dr doom, I repeated my vollkan case so many times I don't know how to say it anymore.
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Post #375 (isolation #45) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:50 am
Postby Jack »
the reason i thought Vollkan was town, is that if he was scum, he would have tried to tie himself to me, so when i died, he'd look town by defending me, or when he died, his buddy could convince others that i was the other scum. he did neither, so i dont think he is scum. comprende?
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Post #380 (isolation #47) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:19 am
Postby Jack »
Battle Mage wrote:
Jack wrote:
the reason i thought Vollkan was town, is that if he was scum, he would have tried to tie himself to me, so when i died, he'd look town by defending me, or when he died, his buddy could convince others that i was the other scum. he did neither, so i dont think he is scum. comprende?
This is so wifom it's ridiculous.
whatever, the fact is, its entirely reasonable.
No it isn't. The reason "omgus" is considered scummy is because scum often try to accuse the people who are attacking them. You claim the opposite. It's a ridiculous reason to trust vollkan.
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Post #382 (isolation #48) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:04 am
Postby Jack »
Battle Mage wrote:are you paying attention?
that makes no sense. You are saying that Vollkan attacking me would be OMGUS, but im not attacking him, so how is that so?
You're right, you weren't attacking him. Your wording had me confused. Why would you assume that scum would naturally try and buddy up to you? That isn't logical either, since scum usually try and lynch scummy townies.
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Post #408 (isolation #49) » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:15 am
Postby Jack »
I'm pretty sure scarecrow is pro town. A gut feeling. Vollkan is almost certainly scum. Between dio and dr. doom I'm not sure, but I'm not convinced I need to reread.
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Post #425 (isolation #53) » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:24 am
Postby Jack »
Dr. Doom wrote:Hi there! welcome to the game!
I do not want to lynch vollkan - wasn't your case against him that he and kabenon are distancing scum? (correct me if Im wrong here). Well, Trust Gossip, kabenons replacement, was a townie, so that theory falls flat.
Plus, I do think hes a newbtownie, not a scummer. Im heavily suspecting Dio and you instead.
No this is not at all true. I thought the argument between vollkan and kabenon was really scummy, but on rereading it I realized it was only vollkan who was making it scummy. I've repeated my case on vollkan so many times you'd have to be blind to misinterpret it like this.
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Post #428 (isolation #54) » Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:33 pm
Postby Jack »
vollkan wrote:
No this is not at all true. I thought the argument between vollkan and kabenon was really scummy, but on rereading it I realized it was only vollkan who was making it scummy. I've repeated my case on vollkan so many times you'd have to be blind to misinterpret it like this.
Earlier on it was distancing by myself and kab, but now it is just me? Given the lack of specificity in your post, it looks to me like you didn't do a reread at all and are just saying that I made it scummy to accommodate for the fact that your earlier accusation of distancing against kab and myself has been rebutted.
No dude, I quit saying you two were distancing ages ago.
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I reread vollkan a bit and he made the same sort of ridiculous arguments against tendril so I don't think I can make the claim that he and kabenon were distancing. But I do think his arguments are contrived. Contrived arguments are a sure sign of scum, because scum are the only ones who know that the people they are accusing are innocent.
Who agrees with me?
It's funny that both of you claimed to reread but missed this when it's plainly obvious in the thread.
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Post #434 (isolation #56) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:02 am
Postby Jack »
I explicitly said that I could be wrong and that you should correct me if I were wrong. You did. Where is the scumminess?
Because you would have to have paid no attention to my arguments against vollkan for the last 10 pages to make the statement you did, and I don't see why a pro town player would do that.
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Post #483 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:50 am
Postby Jack »
Looks like one of mnowax and dr.doom are scum, but we knew that already. I'd have to reread to figure out which, though I'm more inclined to think it's dr.doom.
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Post #485 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:04 am
Postby Jack »
I said this earlier. Dr. Dooms defense of you which made it obvious that he hadn't paid attention to my case against you. The only reason for him not to pay attention is if he knows your alignment.
My case against you goes back to your fabricated arguments of day 1.
