Jack - 1 (Dio)
kabenon007
Tendril wrote:I will try to explain what I was thinking (or not thinking as the case was).
It was really just a case of another vote to pressure him into speaking, i thought if he was suddenly one off a lynch he'd need to speak to save himself, I know (now) that it really just puts him into a position where he can be bumped off quickly.
I'm, not sure I can explain it very much more than that.
Tendril wrote:Two haven't survived very long to be fair, and this situation hasn't arisen before and finally i probably am just not very good at this. However, I'm not going to defend myself anymore as it is distracting me from trying to find out who the mafia actually are. You'll either have to believe me and not vote or don't believe me and vote.
Your logic seems sound however it seems to ignore the fact i had posted to defend myself by explaining the my reasons. Why is that, or is my explaining my actions not defending myself? What would you consider a defence?kabenon007 wrote:I don't know. Tendril's reluctance to defend himself seems a little scummy...
If he were town, he would want us all to believe he was town. If we all believed he was town, and he was, then we would have one less person to suspect as Mafia.
I admit that you have defended yourself before. However, you clearly state that you are done defending. That's all I am pointing out.Tendril wrote:Two haven't survived very long to be fair, and this situation hasn't arisen before and finally i probably am just not very good at this. However, I'm not going to defend myself anymore as it is distracting me from trying to find out who the mafia actually are. You'll either have to believe me and not vote or don't believe me and vote.
kabenon007 wrote:oh, quick question... for everyone, including the mod. As my day job, I am a writer, and I had an idea for a story on Mafia. It's kind of like the movie Saw. A guy kidnaps 18 people and makes them play real Mafia, where the people actually die. I want to make it as real as possible, so would it be alright if I use this game as like a reference, and include strategies and stuff like that? If there are any objections, just let me know, but it would be really helpful...
Your defence is complete, I don't think anyone is denying that. It's more just that unlike a really good explanation, the defence of "newb" is a relatively easy way out of suspicion and, hence, people are rightfully suspicious of it. In the last game I was in (Newbie 339), another player (who was scum) lynched someone and then excused themself on the basis that they "made a mistake" and "weren't paying attention". I kept pressing the person on it since I, correctly, thought it was a complete lie...and I got lynched for it (I was town).Your logic seems sound however it seems to ignore the fact i had posted to defend myself by explaining the my reasons. Why is that, or is my explaining my actions not defending myself? What would you consider a defence?
I felt like my vote was better made on Tendril than on Dio, since the one on Dio was random, and Tendril is the first one I've seen to do anything particularly suspicious this game. I feel like two votes isn't dangerously high for this level of suspicion, although if it suddenly raised to three, I'd remove it, since I'm not ready to be part of a lynch just yet.Jack wrote:I'm not inclined to jump all over someone for what could be a newbie mistake.
fos:yakultnot sure I liked the tone of your accusation of tendril. Tendrildidexplain his reasoning, it was to put more pressure on elKabong. He could be scum pushing for speedlynch or mistaken townie, I'm not going to assume either just yet. One thing though, generally whenever a newbie makes a newbie mistake there is at least one scum that jumps all over them for it.
I mean, yes, if you believe that Tendril has sufficiently defended himself, then an unvote is in order, but the fact that Jack defends him is a dangerous reason to use/follow, since if Jack is scum, then he could lead you around very easily. Beware of that!nonetheless, i think you could be genuine town. Jack certainly seems willing to fight your corner.
Lol dont worry-i dont intend to be led around by anyone. Fyi, the comment about Jack wasnt part of my reasoning-more of a mental note that i might want to look back on, should either one of them come up scum.Dr. Doom wrote: 2) Battle Mage, whats up with you and Jack? Especially this one:I mean, yes, if you believe that Tendril has sufficiently defended himself, then an unvote is in order, but the fact that Jack defends him is a dangerous reason to use/follow, since if Jack is scum, then he could lead you around very easily. Beware of that!nonetheless, i think you could be genuine town. Jack certainly seems willing to fight your corner.
I don't think that his PM request to leave is particularly suspicious. I stand by my last post in regards to Tendril's suspicion in general, but I don't think requesting to leave via PM is particularly noteworthy. I mean, if he might have thought it was normal to request to leave by PM (I know it is what I would have done until reading what you said).this is just my own personal opinion, (but what on this forum isn't someone's personal opinion.) but I find it suspicious that Tendril requested replacement through PM. I saw someone ask for replacement, but they did it in forum. I don't know if PM is the usual way or not, just thought I would throw that out there. Besides, if Tendril requested replace for some reason like a death in the family, I would feel like a total a**.