In post 976, ProHawk wrote:
I don't know how much more clearly this ^ can be stated. Every attack on him or Molly is clearly silly in his words.
Hint: they are.
1.
I'll run through these cases really quick;
- you call her scummy for trying to figure out what someone else is thinking (I would call that an obvious town tell, frankly - it's at least scumhunting, so...?)
- You call her scummy for thinking your stated desire to hammer was scummy and defending the person you wanted to hammer - that's as likely to come from town as scum. She also twisted nothing.
- You call out Mollie for not calling you scummy till she said she found evidence that you looked scummy...again, that seems kinda normal.
- I actually agree that the scum slip push was dumb - but her reaction to it afterward doesn't look scummy to me at all.
Spinning is just Mollie's way of saying I don't like what you posted but can't logically refute your point.
Lulz
In post 976, ProHawk wrote:
I don't know how much more clearly this ^ can be stated. Every attack on him or Molly is clearly silly in his words.
- and then back to 'obviously scum replace out, town are highly unlikely to...reasons to be explained at a later date for how that is remotely true.
In post 976, ProHawk wrote:2. I am not going to make a case based on theoreticals that have yet to occur. But here is one association I did notice early-on.
Allow me to sum up.
If Thor flips scum we get info.
If he flips town we get bupkiss.
The truth is there actually is info to get if I flip town, but I don't think you'd like those conclusions.
So, really, all you're saying is it's good to lynch scum, because then we can get info from their flip. I totally agree with this - but it does nothing to say why I should be that flip and therefore has no point in being brought up as a reason to help push through my lynch.
In post 976, ProHawk wrote:3. I am not worried about #2 scumspect's until you are lynched.
Yeah, keeps the field more open for you later - I understand.
4. My brilliant "case-closed" moment
Thor says.
In post 976, ProHawk wrote:Mollie says nothing of the sort about town benefiting from someone else in her slot. Her words were the game is "S*rfed for me". The real issue here boils down to motivation. I am not only saying she is being hypocritical, I am also saying she is playing to survive. This is scum's #1 game and she knows it. She even pointed it out herself.
1. The game being jacked up for her can actually be interpreted in a number of different ways - it is not an explicit comment. That you are claiming there is only one way to take it is why you look scummy in making that argument.
2. She is not playing to survive - she is out of the game. If town or scum wins the game she holds blame for a loss to her side, but she holds *no* claim to any win energy there. Again, this is a scummy suggestion.
Uh-huh...
In post 976, ProHawk wrote: but the real question is, how many town players replace out
because
they are about to be lynched? I am sure lots of town players and scum players replace out because they don't have the time to invest in the game, or get bored. I have only seen scum replace out because they are on the lynching table. I don't really a lot of evidence for this, considering my lack of experience, but I would love to see some examples -Thor- of town players replacing out due to the probability of them being lynched. You fail to take into account the motivation factor.
Really?
Wow, so you have *ZERO* evidence, and are asking me if I have evidence to disprove something you are making up?
...the answer is, yeah, I do.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=21878
Town replaces out as leading wagon
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4020682
By the way, his final post is to complain he's too dumb to play the game properly...totally no relation to thinking the situation was bad and he was hurting anything by being there.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21773
This one has scum replacing out under no pressure and town replacing under pressure.
How's that work, sweet lips?
Also, you should look up ad hom - me pointing out that your logic is bad and calling you derp because of it is not ad hom.
I would need to not explain how your logic is bad for it to be ad hom. Ad hom is attacking the person *in place* of attacking the argument - I'm attacking your arguments, therefore me being rude to you by suggesting you have bad arguments is not ad hom. Also, you are really squinting to call those personal attacks...especially to the level that I'm using them to avoid addressing things - I'm actually demanding things to address in half of those.
Derp.