Outwitted - Mini 1254 (Game Over)

[Llamarble]

CES is town.
Seraphim is town.
GreyICE is town.

Lurconis is indeed scum.

VOTE: Lurconis

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Magister Ludi

[Llamarble]

Vote: Lucronis

Post 13 I read and then reread and it still doesn't make sense to me.

Point of it is scum have a power that lets them steal cards starting with their lowest until they have 7 or more points.
So if your lowest 3 cards are 1, 2, 4 then scum will steal those.
But if your lowest 4 are 1, 2, 3, 10 scum will steal those and end up with 16 points instead of 7.

[Llamarble]

Oh Darox, even when I was scum and you helped me win I found your shere khanceit rage-inducing.
Also using card number 3 last night made a lot of sense, and for VTs was just plain optimal (assuming scumthiefpower works on VTs).

Ludiscum is scum for nonengagement.
So yeah it's real.
Tell me your opinion of the CES / Lurconis wagons.

[Llamarble]

Thereby outing everyone who played a value higher than 10 as a PR?
No thanks.
And Fishy probably did count.
And why do you think playing 3 last night was dumb?

[Llamarble]

I actually do like the Lurconis wagon but have been pursuing other stuff.
Ludi totally ignoring what was going on felt like he didn't want to engage in a situation that involved a buddy.

[Llamarble]

Zang, Spyspy, Andy feel town.
Some of LLD, Lurconis, Yos, ML are scum.
And maybe Darox, but being ridiculously anti-town / arrogant seems normal for him.

[Llamarble]

Also who would've killed Fishy?
I could definitely see Yos doing it considering Dilemma Mafia.
And I'd expect most other people to kill Yos or Spyrex or maybe Grey.

VOTE: Yos
Oh, I also have a secret reason but we'll see if that pans out.

[Llamarble]

If you believe seraph was soft claiming why didn't he do it in his first post?

Did you just go back and examine whether it made sense as a soft claim?

<3 wavelengthshare wheee!

[Llamarble]

Which puts me at READS ITERATION #1:
TOWN
Llamarble
CES
Spyspy
GreyICE

Probtown:
Seraphim
Zang
Andy

Eh:
Darox

SCUM:
LLD
ML
Yos
Lurconis

[Llamarble]

Secret reason was that Yos seemed to be on the same wavelength dealing with Darox as scum me.
I half witheld it because I wanted to see how the interaction continued and half just for the sake of moving things along.

Also Zangtown was 'cause he seemed curious and engaged.

VOTE: Seraphim

[Llamarble]

Can we watch Marble hang yet?

Marble, you ignored my question. What's up with post z#45?

Secret reason was that Yos seemed to be on the same wavelength dealing with Darox as scum me.
I half witheld it because I wanted to see how the interaction continued and half just for the sake of moving things along.

Seraphim was following drop-something-early -> coast through actual suspicion-forming-phase trajectory.
I like 86 though.

VOTE: Lurconis

[Llamarble]

NK speculation is a great way to get things moving / more thoughts into play imo.
Turbostretching & votehopping early game has been working great for me recently.
9 game winning streak wheee

[Llamarble]

Yay, Fate is here!
Lurc claims town? Okay.
VOTE: Yos

[Llamarble]

I'm back.
Reading time.

[Llamarble]

He already claimed.
I want to deepread stuff though.
Got interrupted by actors hijacking the room for audition-purposes.

[Llamarble]

UNVOTE:
No more claims until we actually want to lynch somebody. Right now I'm not sure what's behind a lot of the Yos votes.
Yos' posting has also started to add up to a lot of scumhunty stuff with solid insightfactor.

CES, why'd you vote Andrius?

VOTE: LLD
Bad L-1 Yosvote. We really don't need any more claims right now unless we're sure we want to lynch.
Yos being wrong about Andrius conftown just doesn't seem alarming.
I don't like her Andrius vote -> notsureIbelieveclaimI'mmawaitandseeifsomeonehammers AT ALL.
And the rest of her time is all LOL ANDY / MARBLE NK SPECULATED.
And she has scum :bitesizeposting:

By the way I did mention on like page 2 that claiming numbers was dumb because only PRs can play more than 10.
Nobody questioned that, and I'm not sure I believe everyone in the pile o' confused people was actually confused.

I'm not confident of Fate/Spyspytown; I get a feeling of railroading. And Fate replaced ML.
GI is weird this game.
Pushing a lynch nobody else is interested in on grounds of policy while interesting stuff is going on and then joining both the Andy and Yos wagons without clear motivation bothers me.

The Zang/Lurc/Darox derpconsortium unfortunately seems to be town.

Ah right Fate did unvote Andy preventing a potential hammer.

[Llamarble]

I liked 195, 212, 301 from Yos.
Those are some good points though.

[Llamarble]

Grey what was your actual reason for voting Andrius?

[Llamarble]

I liked the effort and I could follow his trains of thought.
He said a lot of things that made sense to me and attacking Spyrex was a little bit left-field for a scum move.

[Llamarble]

Well CES, I like your current choice of bandwagon.
Yos and Andy are invited too.

Ah right Fate did unvote Andy preventing a potential hammer.

and?

And that was town of you.
What do you think of LLD?

Yos totally can be insulting as town. His iso in The Mafia with the Hydras contains "stupid" and "idiot" 11 times each.

[Llamarble]

Wow.

Unvote

Should we just massclaim (minus bulletproof)?
If everybody here is town then there probably isn't anything else of importance to reveal
And if not then we should get a correct lynch out of it.

LLD, if you're town then you're barking up the wrong orifice.

[Llamarble]

We are guaranteed an investigative role and a protective role in the setup.
Scum were given fakeclaims though.
We are also guaranteed a bulletproof townie and there's a dead cop.

Cop + Doctor + Tracker + EvenVig + Bulletproof is a hell of a lot of power.
Everything is weakened by the 'must outbid' mechanic.
2 shot cop + 2 shot doctor + 2 shot tracker + 2 shot Evenvig + 2 shot Bulletproof is still probably too much though.

[Llamarble]

Actually considering the bulletproof is a "town bulletproof" and it's possible there's more than one and we have a claimed vig, I don't think the protective role is guaranteed to be town at all.

Yos' claim sounds town. As he described it, it would be a really weird role for scum. (Automatically gets results when targeting town but not when targeting scum)
And that bit about voting CES because of the tracking just sounded like something town would do.

[Llamarble]

Whoever said Yos calling Marble confirmed town was out of character and scummy as fuck.

That's as good as a guilty, lynch without claim =====[ ]

What does that mean? Yos called Andrius confirmed town and what's the whoever said about?
Also why am I getting shot all of a sudden? That is not okay.

at least one town bulletproof

So if the bulletproof doesn't get counterclaimed, it's a BULLETPROOF INNOCENT CHILD.
And if it does get counterclaimed then it's basically a free dead scum, unless we think there are 2 town ones.

So no way in HELL do we have:
Cop (Probably better than without the game mechanic)
Doctor (weakened somewhat)
Bulletproof innocent childish dude (whoah)
Even night vig (Probably better than without the game mechanic (can shoot through scumprotects and can fail to kill townies)
Tracker (weakened somewhat at finding scum but can unambiguously confirm the doc, the cop, and the vig)
All as town.
There was the whole N0 thing, but even for a 12p mini that amount of power is ridiculous.

Also if we do massclaim, I think the bulletproof doesn't claim yet.
It's already modconfirmed town and definitely benefits from being anonymous.

[Llamarble]

(ooooh look how he BELIEVES LLD's vig claim automatically and is quivering in his boots)

Anyway let me rephrase: Whoever said: Yos calling" that PERSON is townie as fuck, and Yos is scummy as fuck.

I don't really buy LLD just claiming for a one-day stay of execution and guaranteeing an autolynch later when Yos could've been lynched without her having to claim at all.
Nor do I buy scum extra kill + N0.
So yeah, Yos or Andy is scum.
But if we leave both alive scum must either narrow it down for us or shoot VTs and LLD can confirm herself as town.
(I think Andy should protect LLD on a high number)
VOTE: GreyICE

[Llamarble]

What?

Me and Andy are confirmed town, or at least I assume we will both be once the town mass-claims. LLD is going to be nearly confirmed town tonight. Why would you say "Yos or Andy is scum"?

So you think the town power is:
Cop
Doctor
Tracker
Even vig
Bulletproof innocent child
You've been playing forever and that doesn't set off some kind of alarm bell for you?

Also LLD, WHY do you think I'm scum?
"Marble's scum especially if Andrius is town" and "Marble's scum if Andrius is scum" and not liking NK musings are pretty much all I found. I'll explain my thought process for you anywhere you like.

[Llamarble]

"You know this setup has: at least two investigative roles, at least one protective role, a single mafia team, no third parties, at least one town bulletproof (role PM below), and at least one Townie."
Only the bulletproof is confirmed town. Investigative and protective roles were explicitly not modconfirmed as town.

[Llamarble]

I know how to pay attention to setup stuff.
Does that count?

Could you clarify

that the two investigate roles, the one protective role, the bulletproof, and the townie are all pro-town roles? Thank you.

No.

[Llamarble]

Also LLD, WHY do you think I'm scum?
"Marble's scum especially if Andrius is town" and "Marble's scum if Andrius is scum" and not liking NK musings are pretty much all I found. I'll explain my thought process for you anywhere you like.

I AWAIT.

Also CES you're confused. The explicit modconfirmation of not confirmation was the other post I quoted for Fate in 461. Not that it matters.

I CLAIM BULLETPROOF OR TOWNIE.
LURCONIS GO NEXT.
VOTE: Lurconis

VCA says Fate and Spyspy have both probably been on a scum's L-1 wagon.

[Llamarble]

HAHAHA WOW.
VOTE: Yos

And yeah, the counterclaimant is much more likely town D1.

[Llamarble]

Fate is actually voting Zang right now.

[Llamarble]

Andy, assuming Yos flips scum you just protect some manner of claimed power and LLD doesn't shoot claimed power.

Also it looks like I was probably wrong about Cop Doc Tracker bulletproof vig being impossible.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Lurconis
He can't be town.

[Llamarble]

No, I'm not a cop. Two cops in one game would be OP.

So would 2 trackers, doctor, cop, and bulletproof IC.
Even if LLD is scum Lurc also is.
If you have a role result suggesting otherwise then Lurc is a godfather and you're dumb for believing it.

[Llamarble]

And if you did that would make 2 trackers even more unreasonable.

[Llamarble]

TORRENTS OF SNOT. TORRENTS.
It was already a lot of power when it was cop tracker doctor vig bulletproof inno. Adding another tracker would make that ridiculous.
LLD claims to have tried and failed to vig lurc after announcing that intention D1, meaning either mafia wanted to prevent a kill on lurc or LLD is scum.
Lurc's move to CC Yos makes a lot of sense from a scum bulletproof trying to waste a townsourcedkill or just trading himself for Yos and neuterage of most town power.

Then there was the whole I'mma look back at whether somebody softclaimed me being scum thing and all the other stuff and this:

I actually had that clarified with Zoraster during night 0 and was told I have to outbid town power roles to track them.

Why specifically clarify :town: power roles?

LLD scum is also possible, but Lurc makes the world make sense.
Sera just going entirely back and forth with extreme conviction feels crazytown.

Fate and LLD you're both good players. Now help lynch Lurc.

[Llamarble]

Good Morning Campers!
All is well in llamalland.
CES how does your millerness work?
Sera's claimed role seems ridiculously a lot.
Anyway Sera should obviously use the VIG, not the cop power. Evens to odds etc.
GI is town barring a counterclaim.
Is that what that confirm vote is?
I would be less surprised by Seragambitz than Serascum than Serabackup in that order I think.

I only woke up to move my car so it's back to bedtime.

[Llamarble]

TIME FOR MEGA REREAD.

[Llamarble]

I haven't done anything but read this game since I last posted.
WHY CAN'T I GET A TOWNREAD ON YOU FATE?

[Llamarble]

Why do you think Spyrex is town I don't get it?
And why do you think I'm scum.
CES miller claim seems random for scum which bothers me about lynching him.

[Llamarble]

Actually Fate maybe you can be town this game.

[Llamarble]

Seraph content really drops off after the first long case on lurconis
Seraph flips around like an innocent on Lurc would expect though.

Basically, I spend points like any other role to use other people's role.

ie

I can use a 9 + 7 to use Fishy's cop role to investigate someone.

Pretty standard.

I tried to investigate people who I thought were likely to get lynched the next day.

P-EDIT: It's worth noting that I don't have a lot of points left. Probably one last result.

WHY IN THE EVERLASTING HELL WOULD YOU COP THE PERSON LIKELY TO GET LYNCHED AND NOT CLAIM TO PROTECT THEM?

PLUS GREY BULLETPROOF CLAIM
PLUS UNHOLY AMOUNT OF CLAIMED POWER

Definitely not lynching Grey today without a counterclaim.

[Llamarble]

MAYBE YOU WON'T GET MY BUDDYING THEN.
YOU'RE IN THE BLORG ZONE SCUM ALWAYS SEEM TO BE IN ANYWAY.

[Llamarble]

Well that makes L-1 again right?
/Not a quickhammer

[Llamarble]

It's like, OVER 9000% obvious that Fate and Sera are lying.
BOTH their claims are OBVIOUS bullshit.
THAT I would stake the game on.
They contradict themselves a hojillion times and Zoraster isn't retarded.
I still think they may be town liars though.
And therein lies the rub, really.

Also at this point for Grey to be town, 3 of Fate/Sera/Zang/Darox have to be scum.
Ah the joys of not placing my vote early in lylo situations.
Back to SNOOZLIES.

[Llamarble]

Alright.
MYLO RESEARCH COMPLETE.
I AM READY TO ENTER THE BATTLE.
VOTE: Seraphim

[Llamarble]

HHEHAEHHEHAHHAHEHA

GUESS

WHOS

FUCKING

TOWN.

ITS TIME FOR JUDGEMENT ========[ ]

THEN:

You being shot is fine, die marble die.

(ooooh look how he BELIEVES LLD's vig claim automatically and is quivering in his boots)

Anyway let me rephrase: Whoever said: Yos calling" that PERSON is townie as fuck, and Yos is scummy as fuck.

Time for a Zang auto-lynch pl0x

(

I didnt realize the BP was modconfirmed

>_> uhhh I GUESS if Zang is BP he can just claim and town can just lose lawl)

THEN:

HHEHAEHHEHAHHAHEHA

GUESS

WHOS

FUCKING

TOWN.

ITS TIME FOR JUDGEMENT ========[ ]

First I was happy as fuck,

"YES IM CONFIRMED TOWN"

I love being confirmed town. You KNOW this. Unkillable, mod confirmed, town?

[Llamarble]

LOL

MORE SCUM SLIPS

CES town claims I'm always obvtown by virtue of being easy to read

DON'T MAKE ME GO GET THAT QUOTE YOU SCUMFUCK

I seriously rather lynch CES over Grey/Sera today. 100% > 50% and alll that

HOLY FUCK I wish I wasn't at work


CES SCUM CLAIMS MILLER GFG

No way in fuck I'm lynching a claimed BP (even though I had secret tells and thought it was someone else but NO TIME FOR THAT), were no lynching.

If Grey IS scum, he can't kill Sera and SERA GETS ANOTHER COP OFF (which is why CES miller claim is 100% scum).

If Sera is scum, he has to give us a new fake investigation and kill a non BP aka potential suspect.

No lynch is the play, definitelt

He claimed BP, no ones countered.

Meanwhile CES is fucking obvscum

[Llamarble]

Oh YEPYEPYEP I'm JUST SCREWIN' AROUND EVEN WHEN IT'S SERIOUSLY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO WIN CONDITION.

[Llamarble]

KNOW WHAT WE DIDN'T GET?
ROLE PMS OF DEAD PEOPLE.
HOW IN THE FUCK IS SERA SUPPOSED TO USE A POWER HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT WORKS.

[Llamarble]

BS.
SERASCUM DIDN'T :EXPECT: TO RUN UP A BP.
HE THOUGHT OF HAVING A BUDDY CC WHEN HE MENTIONED IT WAY AFTER THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND THEN A BUDDY :DID: CC BECAUSE IT WAS NECESSARY TO FORCE IT THROUGH.

[Llamarble]

AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN VOTE GREY, YOU VOTED NO LYNCH.
HOW IN THE JEEEBUS AM I SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE YOU DID THAT INSTEAD OF CC GREYICE PURELY TO HIDE A BULLETPROOFNESS THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY EVEN REALLY GAIN A LOT OF VALUE FROM BEING HIDDEN??

[Llamarble]

KNOW WHAT WE DIDN'T GET?
ROLE PMS OF DEAD PEOPLE.
HOW IN THE FUCK IS SERA SUPPOSED TO USE A POWER HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT WORKS.

[Llamarble]

ALSO BIGGEST REASON OF ALL:
Cop
Doctor
Tracker
Tracker
Innocent Child Who Is Bulletproof TROLOLOL
Even Vig
Backup
Would be an absolutely mind_blowing array of town power.

Used on a 1, a cop gets an accurate result probably 80% of the time. It can power up when needed.
Used on a 1, a vig gets a kill probably 80% of the time. It can power up when needed.
Used only as an innocent, bp inno is extremely powerful. But it can avoid death too.
Lurctracker: pretty much strictly better than a 1 shot tracker in a game where trackers have a lot to do.
Yostracker: fully normal tracker power except on the nk, which it is better than a 1shot tracker against.
Doctor: Pretty much strictly superior to 1 shot doctor.
Backup: can use the cop or vig or yostracker powers near full effect, but is weirdly semifunctional with bp, doc, lurctracker.
That is also 7 named roles.

Zor would not make this game.

[Llamarble]

Huh?
LLD explicitly said she was going to kill Lurc.
Scum obviously blocked her so Lurc would be autolynched and she wouldn't be conftown.
And then he was.

[Llamarble]

OH SHUT UP.
YOU KNOW I USE SETUP SPECULATION HEAVILY IN ALL GAMES.
AND I NEVER :ONLY: USE SETUP SPEC, I CHECK IT OUT WITH WHAT MAKES SENSE DAYPLAYWISE.

[Llamarble]

OTHERWISE I'D HAVE VOTED SERA IMMEDIATELY.
ALSO SERA EVEN IF YOUR TOWN YOU'RE GAMBITING.
HOW DOES NOT BELIEVING YOU SUDDENLY MAKE ME SCUM??

[Llamarble]

Again, more of ME trying to get scum lynched WITHOUT claiming BP and outing my role.

No matter how much you repeat it, it actually only STRENGTHENS my case for being town.

If I were scum, I'd have CC"d immediately and breadcrumbed and this all would've ben PLANNED.

Instead if was town chaos.

You lose marble scum.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SCUM EVER :ACTUALLY: MADE DEEP PLANS WHILE FAKECLAIMING?
AND NO, FINDING :MOUNTAINS: OF PLAYS UNLIKELY FROM A BP DOES NOT MAKE YOU MORE LIKELY BP.
AGAIN, IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY TOWN YOU'RE GAMBITING. END OF STORY.
MAYBE IF YOU STOP IT I'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET OVER THE FACT THAT YOU AND SERA ARE OBVIOUSLY LYING TO RAMROD A LYNCH THROUGH IN MYLO.

[Llamarble]

946 is actually flat out wrong.
There could, in some universe, be two bulletproofs.
That would actually make a lot more sense than a backup and a bulletproof.

[Llamarble]

Yes.
Sera being town is less possible than Fate being town.

[Llamarble]

It hardly matters anyway.
If one of you is scum the other probably is too at this point with the way you're trying to drive the lynch through and ignoring all possibilities.
Also Sera is more likely to be scum :with: Grey than Fate, so there's that.

[Llamarble]

And yes, adding a backup adds more town power than adding a bulletproof, because the confirmed innocent thing gets taken away and vigs / cops are the most powerful roles and it'll almost assuredly have something to do after the first day or so.

[Llamarble]

Okay, I need to actually get work done.
Later.

[Llamarble]

Fate you don't read the rules but you the BP was confirmed town as soon as you replaced in?
Do you even know why the BP is confirmed town?

[Llamarble]

There's now a WHOLE MESS of arguments on the table.
I suppose will make a marshalling everything with links and stuff post later today.

[Llamarble]

HHEHAEHHEHAHHAHEHA

GUESS

WHOS

FUCKING

TOWN.

ITS TIME FOR JUDGEMENT ========[ ]

THEN:

You being shot is fine, die marble die.

(ooooh look how he BELIEVES LLD's vig claim automatically and is quivering in his boots)

Anyway let me rephrase: Whoever said: Yos calling" that PERSON is townie as fuck, and Yos is scummy as fuck.

Time for a Zang auto-lynch pl0x

(

I didnt realize the BP was modconfirmed

>_> uhhh I GUESS if Zang is BP he can just claim and town can just lose lawl)

THEN:

HHEHAEHHEHAHHAHEHA

GUESS

WHOS

FUCKING

TOWN.

ITS TIME FOR JUDGEMENT ========[ ]

First I was happy as fuck,

"YES IM CONFIRMED TOWN"

I love being confirmed town. You KNOW this. Unkillable, mod confirmed, town?

Prior to your first post nobody had said anything.
I knew the BP was confirmed town because someone in the thread said so, and I took it as a chance to play "dumb" about my role.
Yet to support your BP claim you try to cite that first post as happiness about being conftown.

[Llamarble]

Neither of those cases actually make sense. The backup is just a higher order of ludicrous.
At some point it was brought up why Sera was preferred vote over Fate, but realistically if one's scum either the other is or Grey is.
Anyway, that was pretty much thought experimental and irrelevant. There are plenty of more useful things to talk about.

[Llamarble]

ALSO, GREYICE. SUCK ON THIS.

IF YOU WERE REALLY TOWN, YOU WOULD HAVE VOTED FATE THE MOMENT THAT HE CC'D YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. NOT ME. THE PERSON WHO HAS A ROLE THAT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS YOURS. BECAUSE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT I GOT THE WRONG RESULTS, BUT FATE CANNOT "MAYBE" BE THE BULLETPROOF. HE IS OR HE ISN'T.

BUT YOU DIDN'T BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KEEP UP THIS CHARADE OF "LOLSERASCUM" IN ORDER TO WIN. YOU'VE PUT ALL YOUR EGGS INTO ONE BASKET AND RUN THIS ENTIRE SLANDER CAMPAIGN ABOUT HOW MY ROLE IS "ILLOGICAL" AND "UNBALANCED" BUT YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL LOGICAL ERROR? TWO BULLETPROOFS IN THE SAME GAME.

Basically I was explaining why the above is retarded.

[Llamarble]

1. They stop being innocent children and town is quite likely to lynch one of them.
That was already sufficient, but:
2. Vigs / cops are more powerful than normal BPs.
And the situation we're talking about is that Sera thinks Grey should've switched his vote to the person who CCed him instead of the person who claimed a guilty on him with an even more incompatible role. That's just absurd in every possible way.

[Llamarble]

Basically Sera was doing the "FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE YOU SHOULD VOTE X WHY NOT" scumtell and he wasn't even doing it in a way that made sense.

[Llamarble]

But yes Spyrex, from MY perspective in the CURRENT gamestate, the most likely configurations is 1 BP remaining with 1 BP 1 backup a distant second.

Unless scum have blanket protection from low-powered thingies, the cop / vig won't lose a ton of effectiveness on low numbers.

[Llamarble]

KNOW WHAT WE DIDN'T GET?
ROLE PMS OF DEAD PEOPLE.
HOW IN THE FUCK IS SERA SUPPOSED TO USE A POWER HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT WORKS.

This was never addressed.
BTW.

[Llamarble]

That would be interesting if actually true.

[Llamarble]

Yos' claimed version was a lot more powerful than Lurcs.

[Llamarble]

I know from Zor that in order to track a town power role I have to outbid them, in order to track a mafia using a PR (if they exist) I have to outbid them, in order to track a mafia committing the NK I have to outbid them.

[Llamarble]

However, I did not read the other part wrong; I track all personal abilities anytime I target someone, but I can only track the faction kill if I outbid the scum. Lurc is either confused or lying about that, and we're going to find out which one in his next post.

That is not true, and I specifically checked with ZOraster about this on night zero. If anyone has a personal role, I track them no matter what, but I can only track the kill if I score higher then them.

[Llamarble]

To be fair, being wrong about that doesn't make him scummier.
It does mean my point about awkwardness of a backup with roles that share a name but not a function stands though.

[Llamarble]

I think the posts I quoted are pretty unambiguous. Also both of them claimed to have checked with Zor.

[Llamarble]

Sera requested a claim and then demanded a lynch without CC after Grey claimed the confirmable role.
If he thought there might have been a framer, why the bejeezus would he push ahead with a lynch on someone confirmable?

Seraph content really drops off after the first long case on lurconis
Seraph flips around like an innocent on Lurc would expect though.

Basically, I spend points like any other role to use other people's role.
ie
I can use a 9 + 7 to use Fishy's cop role to investigate someone.

I tried to investigate people who I thought were likely to get lynched the next day.

WHY IN THE EVERLASTING HELL WOULD YOU COP THE PERSON LIKELY TO GET LYNCHED AND NOT CLAIM TO PROTECT THEM?
Also these weren't in the cards he later claimed were his only ones.
And the limit to 1, 2, 5, 9 makes his claimed role weirdly less interactive than others, not to mention the awkward unsureness of function.
Like if he tracked somebody with Yos' power vs lurc's power that could potentially change the course of the game.
It's not impossible on it's own but it is unquestionably weird.

Fate is not the Bulletproof.

I am Bulletproof.

There you go, you cheeky fucking scumbag.

You know, I knew I swore not to use the red text to do this, but here we are now.

Grey has been LOUD and ANGRY in defense of his honesty.
I realize Sera and Fate have been loud too, but Grey has called in out of game meta and stuff.
I play with him a lot and he feels like he's JUSTICE RAGING here.

Also THE SETUP: REEEEEDICULOUS if Sera's town.

[Llamarble]

Also Fate's story is wildly inconsistent. And he made things up while defending it.
I'm sure there's more bounty to be found, but I just have been totally unable to believe Fate and Sera are being truthful.

[Llamarble]

I'll be on tonight.

[Llamarble]

We were completely sure Seraphim was the bulletproof fakeclaiming to draw an NK and you were covering for him.
That's why we were so earnest / sure we were right about you being OBVIOUS liars.
But we were wrong.

[Llamarble]

We did run up 4 players D1 all of whom were town, so I feel like we deserved making a mislynch that day.
I don't dispute that I scumplained about the setup a lot.
The fact that I really didn't believe Fate or Sera helped a lot with attacking their claims.
Anyway, here's the scum
QT.


Dead QT please?

[Llamarble]

Fate and LLD both had pretty excellent reads.
I was indeed terrified LLD would vig me and roleblocked her on 55 N2.

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I was a lurking machine this game. I think I posted almost twice as much in our QT as in thread and most of my inthread posting was during the mylo battle.

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[quote=Darox]Well that was stupid.

Stand by what I said day 1 or 2 or whenever.

Lynching Furcolow is always protown, no matter what role he has.[/quote]

De Ja Vu

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Well that was stupid.

Stand by what I said day 1 or 2 or whenever.

Lynching Furcolow is always protown, no matter what role he has.

De Ja Vu

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Grey actually thought his red text was true when he wrote it.
He didn't intend for it to be a lie; he worded it creatively.

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Was there a dead QT?

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There wasn't any possibility of us running out of points on the last day anyway because of our theft-power, so I wasn't worried about that at all.

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No, he never said town fwir.

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Yeah, that's the thing he thought was true but wasn't.

I was seriously going to shoot you on a 1.
I was just :that: sure we couldn't have both a bulletproof and a backup.

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No, we thought Seraphim was the bulletproof. We were like 99% sure of this.

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Here's what we thought happened:
Seraphim, bulletproof, sees an even number of players and wants to attract the kill.
He's also convinced of Greyscum, so he claims a guilty to draw a kill and get a lynch.
We have Grey CC bulletproof thinking this is what's going on.
Fate futzes around for awhile and basically claims VT, then finally claims bulletproof since he sees what's going on.

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In retrospect, crazy, but I saw it as impossible that there could be a backup after all the other power.

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VTs take until like D10 to run out of cards. We'd have time to check everybody.

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I feel a little like LLD and Darox need to work on their campaining.
Both are respectable readers, but even :I: never found out why LLD thought I was scum.
A little casemaking just so others can see how you got where you got can go a long way.

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Why did you think I was scum LLD?
I'd like to be less obvscum in the future if I can.