Large Normal 132: Desert Mafia (Over!)

[Ranmaru]

OMG now it opens xD Hi guys. Glad it's only three pages for now.

[Ranmaru]

So uh, why did Deity claim so early?

Vote: Mana ku

for having a pokemon/person avatar :3

[Ranmaru]

Ah, I see. 0.o I thought you were a fire/flying type Pokemon.

For the record, I'm quite confident Mana's town, and pretty sure Scott is, too.

Explain this.

[Ranmaru]

Headclaiming is definitely protown. You are not claiming heads. Therefore not protown.

Hiding information can only benefit scum.

But how does this make them scum?

[Ranmaru]

Spoiler: Rambling About My Experience With Other Players

1. inHimshallibe <--Played with 'Him once as an alt, and have also seen him in Oldy Mafia be lynched. (Yes, I read all of Oldy Mafia.)
2. [winger] <--A familiar name from There Will Be Bloodshed.
3. DeityKabuto <--Ongoing.
4. Kublai Khan <--Newbie 742, I was cop, nailed both scum on first two pages, and investigated one of 'em Night One. Said person was later replaced by Khan, who claimed doc. I won that battle, Khan got lynched, and I was NK'd. (Interestingly enough, my N2 investigation wasn't on the second scum. It was on someone I thought was town, but yet I had some doubts about. Sound familiar?
7. Silver1337 <--I saw one or two games which I was interested in browsing which had Silver's name in it. I have no clue which ones, so really not that familiar.
8. Skyquiem <--That would require me to know who the heads are.
9. RisingPhoenix <--Never heard of RisingPhoenix.
10. gorilla <--Two games, both ongoing.
11. Reya Cookiebringer <--Seen the name, don't remember the player.
12. Hiraki <--Another name from There Will Be Bloodshed. I've also caught Hiraki's name elsewhere, though I don't remember where. Likely browsing.
13. Scott Brosius <--Haven't really seen this name before.
14. Mana_Ku <--I've heard of Mana_Ku, but I'm not positive we've played together. It's possible.
15. Ranmaru <--In a game I browsed, I saw Ranmaru be called an anti-town player due to Ranmaru's style of play. Some Mini game with Pine in it. I've seen Ranmaru's name on the browsing list a lot, too, more than the other players (which I have seen. I saw Reya, Silver, and perhaps Phoenix browsing at times, too. Might've seen Scott once or twice, too, though I'm less sure of that) so that MIGHT be a good sign.

I don't actually know anything about Ranmaru, though. Simply saw that others wanted Ranmaru to replace out for being anti-town

.

I was sadly very busy and it wasn't due to my playstyle. It was Mini 1146 I think and I prompted the mod that I would like to replace IN for that game, since it sounded funny and all. Then last week of school hits and I have 40 pages to read up. (Well I mean that I replaced in a longgg time after that) I had to prod dodge to infinity hoping that I'd get a night to do my catch up xD But the nights were so quick! (I was irresponsible in that game, but that won't happen and I will post a ton) I was not adjusted to this. D4 comes, and alot of people are angry with my stalling. I was going to try and do a catch up to atone for my sins, but I saw WELL AT LEAST HE COULD BE HAMMERING so I was like FUUUu ok and I hammered someone I didn't even have a read on xD. That was a berry big mistake. Luckily, that was the last scum I had hammered, so we won the game, but I got temporarily black listed.

It was situational, and I don't like lurking either. You won't see that here. : P And yes, you will see my name alot.

[Ranmaru]

ohshit.. mastin2? *HEAD DESK*

Vote: Khan Man. For old time's sake.

(Fun fact: I've been in two games with Khan.
In Both Games, Khan was scum.
I am in this game.
Khan is in this game.
Therefore, Khan is scum.

My logic is flawless! )

Flawless logic, indeed. You are not claiming roleblocker and you are still alive. Ergo I'm not scum.

And I'm obviously not a delayed action vig; though I agree with you on the definition--I think we'll see a minimum 2 bodies tomorrow (Empking+scum) assuming no blocking, etc.

Still, how much does Empking hate you?

I'm trying to decide to either policy lynch you for excessive posting

or ignore you and let nature take it's course.

I am the Jailkeeper. I can target people and block night abilities used on them and that person cannot use night abilities. I chose my first target at random, so I need the town to lean me in the right direction of who to use it on N1.

What the eff--? You don't seem to have any completed games here on mafiascum.

Do you understand any of the basic principles of playing mafia?

Scott Brosius' vote is horrible. So is Mana_Ku's vote. She (?) should justify it soon.

I played a game as a scum with mastin, and overall, he is our best chance at winning the game.

No talking about on-going games. (I didn't see any completed games in your meta.)

hmm

Vote: Scott Brosius
FOS: Mana_Ku

That's NOT GONNA HAPENNNN

[Ranmaru]

Or not.

Users browsing this forum: mastin2, Reya Cookiebringer
^What it was. I checked multiple times. Also saw Reya posting somewhere on the forum as the last post in one of 'em.

Users browsing this forum: mastin2
^What it is, now.

I approve of this.

[Ranmaru]

Delayed Action Vig?

I have no clue what role that is, and I doubt I'd find it if I searched on the Wiki. My GUESS would be that Empking sends in a kill, and said person dies either during the day phase at some time or during the next night phase.

Does anyone know if Empking would shoot on an N0?

Also. Gorilla is town. Discuss.

I'm also going to take a stab in the dark.

1. inHimshallibe
2. [winger]
3. DeityKabuto
4. Kublai Khan
12. Hiraki

The Scum Are Within Those Names.

Vote: Khan Man

. For old time's sake.

(Fun fact: I've been in two games with Khan.
In Both Games, Khan was scum.
I am in this game.
Khan is in this game.
Therefore, Khan is scum.

My logic is flawless! )

Or maybe he'd have to send it in twice.

Good way of starting RVS.

[Ranmaru]

Because it's dangerous to lynch someone without loads of evidence on D1.

If you need loads of evidence, how do you think you'd get it?

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Vote Count

• Skyquiem: 2 (Scott Brosius, Mana_Ku) L-6
  Scott Brosius: 2 (Hiraki, Kublai Kahn) L-6
  
  Kublai Kahn: 1 (mastin2) L-7
  Mana_Ku: 1 (Ranmaru) L-7
  
  Not Voting: 8 (inHimshallibe, [winger], DeityKabuto, Silver1337, Skyquiem, RisingPhoenix, gorilla, Reya Cookiebringer)

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[Ranmaru]

I'm trying to decide to either policy lynch you for excessive posting

That's NOT GONNA HAPENNNN

It should. If you idolize mastin2, then you're an idiot.

Also, when responding to a single line within a big post. Just quote the single line (as above) instead of editing my text.

Users browsing this forum: mastin2, Reya Cookiebringer
^What it was. I checked multiple times. Also saw Reya posting somewhere on the forum as the last post in one of 'em.

Users browsing this forum: mastin2
^What it is, now.

I approve of this.

You approve of scum-hunting based on looking at "users browsing forum"? Are you not aware that people can hide their online status?

Delayed Action Vig?

Or maybe he'd have to send it in twice.

Huh? (I'm guessing at what specific part of mastin2's entire post you're talking about, BTW. Clarity helps town. Learn to edit, then post.)

Meaning a lynch won't happen for posting. Sorry. Nope, you'll have to see the bold.

I approve of poking at people to post if they are viewing.

The action. Maybe he'd have to send the night action twice before it would work.

[Ranmaru]

I personally disagree with head one. I believe meta is a valuable and strong tool which is why I do plan on releasing my head before the close of today, I'd appreciate if we heard no more about who our heads are until then.

Mastin, is your reasoning behind believing that there's 1-2 scum in the early posters because you believe mafia are much more likely to pay attention towards the game in a late start such as this and thus be likely to post instantly, because that's something that has popped in my head however it's not a reliable enough tell to pursue. Also people posting about spectators viewing the thread is actually one of the things that annoy me the most, don't get me wrong lurker prodding and pressuring is a very crucial part to the game but this early in the game you just need to stand back and let natural play occur.

Ranmaru, I've viewed some of your games and I have a fairly good idea of your playstyle. I'm going to recommend that you attempt to keep all your thoughts in one post, or at least in an organised fashion otherwise this is going to get frustrating very, very quickly.

Manu_Ku, if you don't mind can you state what issue you currently have with us so we can address it and actually move on to productive play.

I can't quite explain it, but Manu's lack of reasoning actually reads as town, I believe she would have put forward some shotty reasoning to avoid being in the limelight as scum. Not feeling the same way about Scott though, he states that the only reasoning behind his vote on us is that nothing else scummy has occured and then turns around and states that his vote will remain on us until we release our heads.

Vote: Scotty

- Head Two.

Aren't you being a bit hypocritical though? I mean, you believe meta is a strong tool, yet you then use it on me. (Which is fine, but it seems like you are fine with using it, just not fine with people using it on you)

And I'll try to be as organized as possible.

[Ranmaru]

@Sky:

Fair enough.

What do you think about Khan's policy lynch idea?
What do you think about Hiraki so far?
Do you think Mastin's master plan was an RVS joke?

[Ranmaru]

1. I agree. I thought so as well, but I said no regardless.
2. Yes I hope he improves.
3. Meaning his first post coming in, where he stated 4 scum resided in the 4 slots he has shown.

[Ranmaru]

Scott, please answer this question: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p3080683

Thank you.

[Ranmaru]

Silver, I saw you there.

[Ranmaru]

This isn't info that scum may know. Scum know who town may be, but this is only non-game related info that the Hydra is keeping for now.

Although not helping with other types of info, may be anti-town, it doesn't make it scummy. Do you understand?

[Ranmaru]

Wait, did we really have a jailkeeper claim? On day one? On PAGE one? With no votes down?

I'm not sure I follow why that happened, exactly. DK, why did you feel the need to claim?

That was exactly what I thought. Seems either he claimed so that he wouldn't be pressured in the future, or he might usually be used to that in smogon type mafia or something.

@Phoenix: Eh? What do you mean? I don't know what you are talking about.

@Mastin: Ok that's fine... I don't like giving out town reads early myself but I ask because you shouldn't give out town reads so easily without reason. I look forward to WHY you have gotten the town reads.

Your first post was a joke, right?

[Ranmaru]

Ok. Honestly I would think the scum team wouldn't be paried together, though. Since the mod would have to randomize the list. I feel as though Khan is just anti-town and not really scummy. Need more from him.

@Silver: You should ask your suspect questions then, instead of sitting around and waiting for SCUM TO SLIP per say.

[Ranmaru]

EBWOP: *Paired.

I don't think that is a valid reason for Khan scum either. It should most likely be null. It's much easier to draw town then scum as well, but that shouldn't confirm him as not scum either.

[Ranmaru]

@Mastin:

Right. Can you compare this to his possible town games? Again, why does this make him scum and not null?

Explain what he did the last two games as scum, that he is doing here. Bring up quotes too.

You are saying Khan could possibly have been 3 or 4 in your demonstration, but that is only speculation. Of course, I hope you have some questions for him to draw reactions from.

Yes, it was long.

@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.

[Ranmaru]

Ok that's fine, thank you.

Oh, I didn't look at that. : P

Interesting. Meh, I just use Microsoft word sometimes. And I am kinda scatter brained and un-organized myself. : [

[Ranmaru]

@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.

I'm not being a hypocrite.

I've at least managed to get 8 posts out about the game, while the person who enters on Page 4 gets barely 5 lines, most of them lacking use.

Ok.

Why exactly are you voting Scott?
What are your reads on: Me, Mastin, Khan, Mana ku, Sky, and Phoenix?
What are your thoughts on Policy lynches?

[Ranmaru]

Eww notepad. : [ Sometimes I have made long posts with notepad, yet it would come out formatted wrong with extra line spaces that I wouldn't be able to backspace. So I'd then say I DON'T CARE, YOU GET LINES!

[Ranmaru]

Yes, but that doesn't make him scum/scummy.
Kk.
I agree.

[Ranmaru]

Good man. I look forward to it.

[Ranmaru]

Expand on that.

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Vote Count

• Scott Brosius: 3 (Hiraki, Kublai Kahn, Skyquiem) L-5
  
  Skyquiem: 2 (Scott Brosius, Mana_Ku) L-6
  Kublai Kahn: 1 (mastin2) L-7
  Mana_Ku: 1 (Ranmaru) L-7
  Silver1337: 1 (RisingPhoenix) L-7
  
  Not Voting: 6 (inHimshallibe, [winger], DeityKabuto, Silver1337, gorilla, Reya Cookiebringer)

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[Ranmaru]

Only once. Here is the link: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=292894

[Ranmaru]

Hmmm. Explain this awkward sensation you have.

Give me your thoughts on Mastin, Khan, Silver, Hiraki, and Mana ku.

[Ranmaru]

I wanted to know your thoughts because you haven't really posted much. What you say can go either way and makes it null, not scum. You are just stating a possibility.

You still haven't explained your awkward sensation. You are fine with explaining your reads, but not your awkward sensation of me?

[Ranmaru]

Being scummy may be anti-town, but not the other way around.

Anti-town means that the person may be either scum or town, but are also being 'hurtful' to town. (For example, Dk here being a

possible

town Jk, and then not even explaining his vote on me; What he is doing is hurtful to town but it doesn't make him scum, just something that you should press and look into further)

But your point about multiple factions seems good, actually. Sorry if you do actually know what Anti-town means. I'm used to looking for scum, so I'll concede to that.

Yes, I don't know why he is able to explain his reads and yet doesn't really have a good reason to back it up. That is anti-town, and so was his pre-mature claim.

[Ranmaru]

Fair enough. Those are the only questions I can think of to ask. But you bring up a good point.

I think Khan did fine in bringing that up. We should let Khan defend himself to crappy reasoning, Sky. I think you can understand that his post wasn't all personal.

[Ranmaru]

Btw Sky, what did you think of the game I linked you, since you asked for it.

[Ranmaru]

I think he has the right to call bullshit on Mastin though. I know Mastin's reasoning wasn't good, but it's good that Khan points out what Mastin may have been trying to do in addition to seeing what Mastin may try to explain.

Yes, it was. I have been in a ton of games since then. Here, and offsite. As you could see, I was usually attacking weaker players or gunning for inactive/lurker/useless lynches. Eventually the whole town imploded though. If you would like links to other finished onsite/offsite games, I could post those as well.

[Ranmaru]

Ah I see. Be careful because quotes messing up with that person's vote can be mis-counted as your vote.

[Ranmaru]

Hi Gorilla! Post thoughts now?

[Ranmaru]

Mastin what are your thoughts on Khan's #130?

[Ranmaru]

Ok, Gorilla left. ;-;

[Ranmaru]

Sup Gorilla, will you post? :3

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Vote Count

• Scott Brosius: 3 (Hiraki, Kublai Kahn, Skyquiem) L-5
  
  Skyquiem: 2 (Scott Brosius, Mana_Ku) L-6
  Ranmaru: 1 (RisingPhoenix) L-7
  Kublai Kahn: 1 (mastin2) L-7
  Mana_Ku: 1 (Ranmaru) L-7
  Silver1337: 1 (DeityKabuto) L-7
  
  
  Not Voting: 5 (inHimshallibe, [winger], Silver1337, gorilla, Reya Cookiebringer)

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[Ranmaru]

It doesn't hurt, so back off.

[Ranmaru]

Hi Gorilla! Post thoughts now?

I'm thinking you need to start posting content instead of whitenoise junk,

and the fact that you're asking others for thoughts but not really following up on the questions makes me think you're scum

leaning scum on scott for the dumb outrage/push on the hydra.

silver reads more noob than scummy

I don't get why DK was made to claim on page 1, that was really dumb

I don't have anyone else I particularly feel like commenting on atm

Parroting. You lurk alot too.

Unvote Vote: Gorilla

DK wasn't MADE to claim. Lrn2read. He asked to claim, Mastin said yes, so he then claimed.

[Ranmaru]

I misremembered how things went, w/e

just because someone else said it doesn't make it true: you've been posting for the sake of posting. I'm lurking in the early stages of day 1 and I don't care how you perceive me for it, I'll comment when I see fit.

What??? Explain how you misremembered how things went.

No I haven't, there is more to me than meets the eye. Your only lead is that you THINK I am posting to just post. What else do you think of me then, if you aren't parroting?

You are lurking so that when you see others give suspicions, you can simply prey off of their suspicions and simply agree without having to really give a genuine opinion yourself. You have viewed many many times but never did you say this before Phoenix or Sky has brought up points against me.

[Ranmaru]

Ranmaru, I read page one when the thread opened and thought mastin had goaded DK into claiming, not that DK had offered to claim. I hadn't re-read that page when I posted again.

I think you're annoying, possibly scum as I said earlier.

Thank you for explaining my motivations to me, I like others to tell me what I'm doing because I'm not aware myself. I'll post when there's something for me to say. Yawn.

preview-edit: DK, I just don't always get into games right away with the voting and the arguing etc. A number of players have yet to post and I don't feel like my reads will be worthwhile until things get moving. I figured this game I'd wait with my vote until I have decent reason, and just talk until then.

My playstyle shouldn't be based on finding my alignment. I'm an active poster and if you read my completed games you could notice that. Don't like it, too bad. Possibly scum? That's not a reason, that is a possibility, and that falls in null because then you are REALLY saying "You can possibly be scum or town, dunno".

Oh I'm sure you WOULD. You are being hypocritical here because you also have been trying to say that my motivation per say is to fake contribute. Why shouldn't I try to read what your motivation is?

[Ranmaru]

@Gorilla:

That was situational. I was very busy with school and such, I consider that my worst game.

I was talking about LEADS man. I then say "What else do you think of me" regarding leads. I'm sorry if I didn't come off as clear. I meant, what other leads do you think may cause you to believe I am scum?

Why do I come off that way now, as opposed to your previous read of me?

@Phoenix: Khan isn't scum like Mastin says. Dk's early claim was really bad. Sky's first head is taking quite a while to post to "reveal" themselves. Gorilla's a parrot. The pokemon thing was just a joke. That is my opinion so far. I'm against pl's. Town's a bit slow activity wise.

Besides your thoughts on me, what is your opinion on anything else in the game?

[Ranmaru]

Failing to do so would only give Ranmaru a reason to vote me.

You should vote Ranmaru then
Otherwise I'll have a reason to vote you.

... See where I'm going?

Uh, voting a confirmed townie not a good idea genius.

[Ranmaru]

Khan isn't scum like Mastin says. Dk's early claim was really bad. Sky's first head is taking quite a while to post to "reveal" themselves. Gorilla's a parrot. The pokemon thing was just a joke. That is my opinion so far. I'm against pl's. Town's a bit slow activity wise.

First is unexplained, second and third are IioA, fourth as such can be called hypocrisy, fifth and seventh is fluff, sixth is completely null.

See how easy it is to take any post and call it whatever you want?

Let's use the same subjects: My turn.

I think you're coasting on asking others to contribute while not providing any contribution of your own.

I think the Mastin vs Khan debate is a waste of space; Under the precept Mastin has at least an ounce of grey matter his "Khan was scum, thus he is scum" push is a joke, Kublai pushing a PL on Mastin is, frankly, understeadable (walls are anti-town, Mastin is unable to summarize thought patterns, thus Mastin is anti-town), but I wouldn't take that as a basis to advocate a lynch on Mastin, at least until day 2 or 3 and we notice he has YET to post anything readable. Regardless there's a fairly acceptable chance that Emp would've shot in Mastin's direction given the latter's known playstyle. Can anyone confirm or deny Empking's N0 vig policies? All this to say, lynching Mastin day 1 would be IMO poor play.

I think DK dug his own grave when he asked day 1 if he should claim, as that was a very clear indication that he had a PR he thought he should share with the class. Plays surrounding the policy of claiming said PR could have been handled better (supposing he hadn't claim, there'd have been a chance for scum to wifom themselves into thinking he'll be doc protected as the one outed role). People saying "the claim was terrible" is NOT people posting content. We know it was, get over it.

The debate surrounding the identity of hydras is a stance. Considering they got the role after forming the hydra, saying they want to hide their scum meta is IMO paranoia. It's just as likely they want to hide their identity to be able to play without having to fear having a bullet put through their skull because their name begins with Gl and ends with ork and they're thus qualified as giant threats. Heck, "Best Scum Performance" and "Best Third Party" winners and nominees systematically get giant target drawn on their back because they're "dangerous", so the town will lynch them over the smallest technicality. Similarly, strong town players getting NKed instantly because they don't suck have a damn legit reason to want to hydra: They're here to play a game, not speculate day 1 then get shot before the real thing is on. I think the people pushing for a head claim are paranoid. Not town, not scum, just paranoid.

Gorilla being a parrot is akin to you being a "what do you think about this thing I haven't addressed?", except he sounds more legitimate than you do, because at least he's putting an idea on the table, even if it's borrowed.


I'll give you the town is slow, since you're at what, L-6?

Yes I didn't explain it because I was waiting on Mastin's 'case' on him. I don't want his answer tainted by me. (Even though I have been telling him his reasons for ScumKhan = Null anyways). I didn't have much else to talk about. I mean, the town isn't as full force as one would expect. The best suspects we can get is Scott and Silver? I admit my suspicion of Gorilla is minor as well, but I'm trying to do what I can. Although I have already given my thoughts on Scott and Silver previously.

I usually try to ask questions and always think that asking about people's reads are the most important to ask about, so I usually do that and drop a few names to get discussion going. I'm not coasting though. I think your push on me is legit, and Sky's points on me were legit, yet Gorilla's were not in my pov.

I'm currently null on Mastin. I see alot of theory crafting and not as much scumhunting. I can symphathize with his unorganized manner because I myself can't organize well, which is why I try to read his walls because if you don't even TRY to read his walls, you yourself are being anti-town because you shut yourself down from allowing yourself to work with Mastin just because he posts long posts. Big deal. I'm against a pl on him though. (On anyone) I would rather lynch scum. Nah I don't know Emp's NO vig techniques.

Fair enough.

Fair enough. I just find it a bit annoying that they ask me for links to my games when I can't even check their own meta, you know? I think if they are good players trying to hide from being nk'd for their popularity, would SACRIFICE the right to ask for meta. Or rather I think they should. I'm not paranoid about them at all, because I'm fine with just observing their in-game actions.

I disagree.

My only suspects are Gorilla and Hiraki. I don't like that Hiraki is trying to cock block my play. Everyone else I just don't remember at the moment (meaning that is a sign they should post more) or aren't a worry to me.

That isn't my fault.

[Ranmaru]

Failing to do so would only give Ranmaru a reason to vote me.

You should vote Ranmaru then
Otherwise I'll have a reason to vote you.

... See where I'm going?

Uh, voting a confirmed townie not a good idea genius.

context clues, learn to see them.

I just don't think it's right that you vote him to vote others. Instead, why not ask him WHY he is voting PlayerX instead of me?

[Ranmaru]

Expand further on that, Hiraki. Who's play was RP criticizing, and how does that make him scum?

[Ranmaru]

Deity is catching my attention. He's changing votes waaaay too often.

Yea, keep in mind, it's not a scum tell. But I still want you to explain your way of lurker being your game play and how that is not scummy...

I have a reputation for making useless posts. They tend to be based on a good reason, but I don't really give very good examples. This includes mafia games outside of this site. Therefore, it's probably best I keep my mouth shut.

Also, I know changing votes on D1 isn't a scumtell,

but this arouses my suspicion for D2

.

Why? Dk has caught your attention with something that isn't a scumtell on D1? Can you explain that.

[Ranmaru]

@Khan:

Yes but Silver freaked out after two votes. I can only see this as a newbie tell so it's null to me. (Thus why I am asking him a question)
Explain your Hiraki read a bit further please.
I actually disagree with Mastin on your scumminess. What he explains is just bad reads, not scum motivation.
I agree Mana seems to dislike Gorilla's play but has yet to place a vote. Is Manu new?
Winger/Gorilla I agree on. Gorilla > Winger.
Rp is legit.

@Everyone: Which of you have played with Empking before? Which of you all KNEW who he was?

[Ranmaru]

Hi Gorilla! Post thoughts now?

I'm thinking you need to start posting content instead of whitenoise junk, and the fact that you're asking others for thoughts but not really following up on the questions makes me think you're scum

leaning scum on scott for the dumb outrage/push on the hydra.

silver reads more noob than scummy

I don't get why DK was made to claim on page 1, that was really dumb

I don't have anyone else I particularly feel like commenting on atm

Ok Gorilla. You vote Winger, but none of the scum reads you state here. Why is that?

Why is Winger Scum?

[Ranmaru]

Actually, KK, that's pretty accurate. I'm just waiting for someone to do something scummy, then pounce on them.

Funny story. You know what's a great strategy for scum? To say as little as possible until someone else messes up, then they can jump on the bandwagon.

Like Gorilla did. What do you think of Gorilla voting your scumread?

Ah, have you ever seen Hiraki as scum to know that it isn't his scum game as well?

Ok, thank you.

[Ranmaru]

Right, but why didn't you vote at that time, instead of voting him after Khan voted Winger in his #211? You never even questioned/talked to Winger.

At the time, you had Scott as scum. Is this still your read on him?

Now now, please no insults.

Ok, why is that not a town question? How does that instantly make him scum?

[Ranmaru]

Not the best wagon's. I admit it is hard to get some leads in this weak town.

Btw Mastin, when you do that, I'd like for you to state ALTERNATIVE wagons and state reasons why. I still don't agree on Khan being scum.

Also still wondering about Inhim and Reya. :/

[Ranmaru]

You too DK. Please answer this question:

@Everyone: Which of you have played with Empking before? Which of you all KNEW who he was?

I have gotten some answers but others haven't really given an answer. >_>

[Ranmaru]

Khan is my alternative wagon.

Reason why's simple.

I currently do not believe winger is scum.
inHim has not provided me any content.
Reya is far too minor a suspect.
Hiraki I am not confident enough in to lynch.
Sky might,

might

be a good lynch, but I'm not completely sold on Sky being scum, yet.

Khan's really the best option.

What is your read on Brossius again?

How has your Khan read developed? Has he progressively done more scummy things? Have you ever played in games he was town? Did he do anything differently?

Why aren't you completely sold on Sky/Hiraki?

[Ranmaru]

Damn it Sky. You didn't have to say that outright. :/

now inexperienced scum can hide behind that reason... >_>

I was thinking the opposite. I was thinking it might have been players who may have experienced games with him or that might have feared him.

[Ranmaru]

Mastin, why didn't you comment on DK's vote on Khan without much reason?

I disagree on Gorilla being town, hence my vote on him. I'd much rather keep Khan then Gorilla.

What do you think about Khan's #236?

Since you haven't really played with Khan as town, I find your meta read on him to be slightly biased. How is that case with his town game in it going? You say "By checking his townplay" Does that mean you haven't gotten around to it? What is taking you?


Mastin, if I said i'd not budge onto a Khan lynch, would you bring up 2nd or 3rd FoS lynches to compromise with the town? If so, who would those be?

@Khan: Why are you taking Reg's word, shouldn't you base your read on Gorilla's actions in-game? (Unless you have a town read on Sky, then that must be why you trust him)

[Ranmaru]

haven't played with Emp, or if I did I forgot since i've been on hiatus-ish
ambivalent on [winger]. I have gut town on him, but at the same time my last gut on him was wrong so... I'm keeping my vote on Ranmaru though, my read is just as strong as it was when I first made the vote

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that Ranmaru has done basically F-all besides ask questions?

That's a lie. I have done more than that. I can argue that you yourself haven't done much. You only responded to my question about Empking so far and gave a read about Winger. (Quote above ^ ) Your best post was when I actually asked about your opinion, which I did like. Of course, I can give you that there isn't many leads to go off of so I don't blame you.

[Ranmaru]

@Ranmaru
I'm assuming you're saying Gorilla is parrotting as he took the arguments from Sky and Phoenix. The attack from you comes basically down to: You lurked so that you could use the arguments from somebody else against a different player! To reinforce this attack, you mentioned that Gorilla was many times online, but never posted this argument until Sky and Phoenix had mentioned it. And that was your mistake. Because all your posts calling Gorilla out to post, came after Sky and Phoenix had posted their reasons. So if you saw Gorilla view New York before this part, why didn't you 'poke' him then?
I'd also like to hear from you what the difference between Gorilla and [winger] is.

Ugh, Silver is so scummy for reasons mentioned, for suspecting Deity, but not Hiraki who's doing the same and for what Hiraki pointed out about him immediatly responding to him after suspicions were shown against Silver. But I don't see his claim reaction come from scum.

Lemme think this over.

@Khan
The time's not there yet to tell. After my explanation, you'll see why. To add, the same goes about that player I've mentioned.
@Ranmaru
Khan was talking about my vote against Sky. I had no intention to vote Gorilla FYI and I don't have it now as Gorilla's not scummy. Btw, I'm not new as you can see from my join date.
I've played with Empking before. But he probably has forgotten about it.

[Winger]'s rethorical question towards Khan is terribad ._.

Will look at pages 10 and 11 later.

What do you mean? How can I address his reads if he hasn't given them before that? I could only argue about his actions once he has done them. He then voted Winger a few posts after Khan did. I could be wrong, but his reason for it was very bad. If you are still confused, please address with quotes so I can understand. I think I poked him when I saw him. Even before Sky and Phoenix, I was ok with poking at people to post.

Sorry, I don't really look at the join date, I was just looking at how you played.

Winger also is sidelining. Not really a difference I think. Pressure is already being directed towards him, as well. I still don't think Gorilla's reason for voting him was good.

About Silver. Ask for his reads. Simplest way to start, and then question his motives from there on.

Ok, thank you.

[Ranmaru]

@Khan: Why are you taking Reg's word, shouldn't you base your read on Gorilla's actions in-game? (Unless you have a town read on Sky, then that must be why you trust him)

If RegFan is sticking his neck out for gorilla. So..

gorilla-scum/Skyquiem-town pairing is very, very unlikely
gorilla-scum/Skyquiem-scum pairing is unlikely
gorilla-town/Skyquiem-scum pairing is possible
gorilla-town/Skyquiem-town pairing is possible

So gorilla isn't likely scum.

Can you explain how each scenario isn't/is possible? I don't really know anything about Reg so need your help.

[Ranmaru]

@Mana_Ku: Hmmm, you are correct, damn. I think I have seen him before but I thought he was going to post, and just didn't. I did poke others, just didn't poke him until after points were raised against me. I will concede to that point.

Although, that doesn't absolve Gorilla from his actions, because he could have stated those opinions before and it just sounded like repeated facts.

@Khan: Thank you. I just want you to substantiate your beliefs further, that's all. : D

[Ranmaru]

Sup Mastin. Any new thoughts? : D

[Ranmaru]

Maybe because there are straggles, and 4 people not voting.

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Vote Count

• Ranmaru: 3 (RisingPhoenix, DeityKabuto, Skyquiem) L-5
  
  [winger]: 2 (Kublai Khan, gorilla) L-6
  gorilla: 1 (Ranmaru) L-7
  Kublai Kahn: 1 (mastin2) L-7
  Silver1337: 1 (Hiraki) L-7
  Skyquiem: 1 (Mana_Ku) L-7
  
  
  Not Voting: 5 (inHimshallibe, [winger], Silver1337, Slaxx, Scott Brosious)

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[Ranmaru]

Welcome Slaxx, really glad you replaced in, that slot needed activity badly.

I agree with head ones vote. It was something I brought up in our QT awhile ago and was actually the reason I was asking Ranamaru for his previous scum games. His play this game seems excessively fluffy in comparison to his completed town games on this site. Even when I pointed out the questions were leading nowhere and unproductive he continued doing so

which reeks of scum

not knowing how to make active posts without redirecting attention elsewhere.

Silver, you stated Deity is one of your strongest FoS's in the game, does that you don't believe his claim? JK is a highly common role thus why would scum claim a role that could lead to a potential counter-claim and them being lynched this early into the game?

Mastin, you stated earlier that you had a town-read on Ranamaru, what was it based upon and how has it changed?

- Regfan.

Ok, how does that make me scum, though? I'd figure this would be a null tell, not scum. I ask about reads, and I ask why they have reads.

Don't like Slaxx's reason either. Just for questions? Really.

[Ranmaru]

Reads:

Town:

Khan, Phoenix

Slight town:

Hiraki

Newb town:

Silver, Scott Brosius, Deity Kabutops

Null:

InHim (warranted), Mastin, Gorilla

Newb null leaning scum:

[winger]

Scum:

Sky, Mana Ku, Slaxx

.


1. inHimshallibe - Need more content. Can't wait! : D
2. [winger] - Timid, doesn't know when to lay down a vote. Null leaning scum, but willing to reconsider this read. Need more content as well.
3. DeityKabuto - Sadly, he claimed pre-maturely. Yet he commits weird acts, they seem to line up with his D1 claim. Good thing he is voting and not coasting/being lazy. : P
4. Kublai Khan - I don't see scumminess and Mastin must be out of his mind. : P I like Khan's posts and I see content, nothing scummy. Seems pro-town to me.

6. mastin2 - Null. I find it odd he says he is here to stop myslynches, but this can be null because then as scum he could be stopping scum lynches. Also, he seems to put people that disagree with him as scum, or who ever his scum reads attack as town.
7. Silver1337 - Newb town. His early vote screams of "I DON'T WANT TO DIE" and also "I'm INNOCENT I TELL YA!"
8. Skyquiem - Scum. I don't like how he doesn't really explain how my play here is different than my other completed games on-site and off-site. I do the same thing in other games, so I am confused as to how Sky came to that conclusion. Don't understand his scum stance on Scott either.
9. RisingPhoenix - Town, I like his contributions (earlier on) and his legit push towards me.
10. gorilla - Useless. Just wagon fodder, and he's null to me.
11. Slaxx Reya Cookiebringer - I don't like his reasoning for his vote on me. Just for questions? Explain how that makes me scum. Don't like how he is already having a town read on mastin solely because of meta.
12. Hiraki - I found him a bit anti-town, but I did like his reasoning for pressuring Scott. Still, it's ironic that I say Hiraki is a bit anti-town and yet have him as slight town.
13. Scott Brosius - Doesn't seem scummy at ALL. He seems to be an easy lynch, and was a bit anti-town. Haven't seen him place a vote after Sky revealed his head 2.
14. Mana_Ku - Hasn't really placed a vote, and hasn't really addressed that much people. I don't care how long Mana was here, I want to see some more scum hunting. Scum
15. Ranmaru - He's a cool guy.

[Ranmaru]

Unvote: Vote: Sky

[Ranmaru]

Well Mastin's putting in some effort though, I don't think he's just fluffing on purpose. I think he is putting energy in this, I just have him as null. Rather have scummy people lynched, and then have a read on Mastin with POE later on.

Which reads do you agree with?

[Ranmaru]

How did you come to this conclusion?

[Ranmaru]

Yeah, I'm a straight forward person.

And yeah, I always have to badger Mastin into explaining how he comes up with things. Even if he likes to keep secret, I'd at least not want him to keep his scum reads secret. I wonder how accurate he can be.

@Mastin
Uhm, ok :S? Now I'm confused as I have been absent for a long time, so I don't see how you could have heard of my name :S

Skyquiem is a good place to start.

Vote: Skyquiem

Ok Seriously you need to move your vote.

@Sky why haven't you addressed Mana about this?

[Ranmaru]

I told myself I refuse to do another wall D1, but fate isn't as kind as I want it too.

...Fate can go suck it, though. Through a rusty, flimsy straw.

----------------------------------------------

Skyquiem. Are you honestly a hydra?

Of course we are...

Are you even reading?

Although that might be a jab at me not posting as much as my other head, so I'll give you that much. >.>

------------------------------------------------

Mastin continues to read to me as 'TL;DR' that continues to come off as Town, strangely enough.

I do not get Ranmaru's game. What's he after?

Why, oh why does Mana_Ku still continues to not give reasoning behind her/his votes... mind readers none of us are, maam/sir.

Agreeing with my other head on Gorilla being Town- it just oozes from him like smelt gold. So why are there votes on him?

Rising Phoenix feels Town to me as well- good reasoning and all that.

Oh god... please no more walls Mastin... Please? You ramble worse then me on a good day- add piles of words onto that and you get a disaster. Not looking forward to it >.>

Hikari- why the double-same votes in the same exact post? made no sense whatsoever to me. At all.

I am facepalming at the VT claim by silver... why after just 2 votes indeed.

===================================

Skyquiem - Ugh. Hydra. Your schizophrenic mystery posting makes you a very tough read. Head Two is clearly scummier than Head One. But I'm basing that on just generic tells.

By which head do you mean here?

===================================

Actually, KK, that's pretty accurate. I'm just waiting for someone to do something scummy, then pounce on them.

Really...?

Makes a whole lot of sense to me. Yep!

===================================
@Scott

Glad my search was not in vain then...

===================================
This thread needs more InHim and Reya(And me coincidentally enough... but I'll be fixing that after this post: Hopefully...)

And I am caught up!

Yaaaaaaaay.... Yeah no one cares >.>

You have? You have only addressed her twice, I checked the ISO before I said that. You DID say she didn't give reasons for her votes, but she only voted RVS tho. (That was RVS, right?)

I ctrl + F Mana in your ISO. Saw nothing else about her.

[Ranmaru]

OH wait, you addressed her more than twice, sorry. It's just you mispelled Mana's username lol.

How has your read on Mana progressed?

[Ranmaru]

Welcome Slaxx, really glad you replaced in, that slot needed activity badly.

I agree with head ones vote. It was something I brought up in our QT awhile ago and was actually the reason I was asking Ranamaru for his previous scum games. His play this game seems excessively fluffy in comparison to his completed town games on this site. Even when I pointed out the questions were leading nowhere and unproductive he continued doing so

which reeks of scum

not knowing how to make active posts without redirecting attention elsewhere.

Silver, you stated Deity is one of your strongest FoS's in the game, does that you don't believe his claim? JK is a highly common role thus why would scum claim a role that could lead to a potential counter-claim and them being lynched this early into the game?

Mastin, you stated earlier that you had a town-read on Ranamaru, what was it based upon and how has it changed?

- Regfan.

Here. I asked him a question about that and he hasn't answered actually... >_>
Sky: How does that make me scum?

In the bolded, he thinks my questions make me scum, even though he has seen meta that should line up with my play. Good example, Mafia on Midol, Open 300. (Finished recently) Yet he never talked about that. I don't even know which game he referenced.

Facts:
You mentioned that Gorilla only mentioned you after Sky and Phoenix mentioned you, while he had been viewing New York many times before.
You never 'poked' Gorilla before Sky and Phoenix mentioned you.
My question due to these facts is why you never 'poked' Gorilla before Sky and Phoenix mentioned you, while according to you he has viewed New York before that period.

As for your part about Silver, you don't need to teach me ._. I'm thinking wether his claim-reaction is strong enough to erase my suspicions against him.

There's one more part I need to respond to in this post, but that has to wait till tomorrow as well.

Mana sitting on the fence here, and I don't see any scumhunting. Also, she didn't address much people. Need more content.

Expand on that.

If you're being scummy, you can be anti-town.

Since this game may have an anti-town faction, anything that's anti-town at this point is scummy.

Even so, why don't you think we should get rid of people that are anti-town? Or at least, why is this argument having a point?

Also, I love how Diety is able to call me scummy for not posting content, while not doing the same himself, and not saying much about Ranmaru, his vote.

(b")b

From here, I liked his reasoning for scum hunting on Scott, it was legit.

Gorilla, fell to null. He isn't helping much either, and is just a wagon filler. Let's see what else he can bring to the table.

[Ranmaru]

Oh and Slax, I just didn't like his reasoning. It's a Minor suspicion. Like to see more from him.

[Ranmaru]

*For voting me. Asking questions does not = Scum.

Yep, really.

[Ranmaru]

Well I didn't have much leads to go off. My suspicion on him was pretty weak. I moved on.

[Ranmaru]

#315, Of course. Can't expect scum to drop BIG scum tells my man. I'll be responding to your post shortly.

[Ranmaru]

Okay. Well if I am bussing it means we are both scum, right? I also think Kahn and Ran are mafia. Ran's particular obsession with Kahn without ever directly confronting Kahn too much makes them both scum. So if you will join me on both of those bandwagons, I will happily let you lynche me day 3.

You just basically said "Well let me survive to D3 as scum"

[Ranmaru]

Well what you said was a bit shaky.

How is Khan scum? (I don't only have slight suspicions, look at my stances)

[Ranmaru]

I asked about Khan because you said I and him were mafia together. But you never mentioned about his individual actions. I think you are trying to call the scumteam before actually observing their actions.

Yeah I changed direction, so what.

[Ranmaru]

That reminds me, Mastin, how has that case on Khan been going?

[Ranmaru]

Saw Khan posting around.

[Ranmaru]

And Scott Brosius too.

[Ranmaru]

I thought Mana did much less than Scott, actually. He at least placed a vote on you. Mana did nothing. Yes his hydra hunting thing wasn't much helpful, but it wasn't malicious either. I still don't get how you guys think he is scum for that.

You don't even have Mana as a scumpick.

Really now? With Open 300, I replaced in, so it's easier for me to get solid reads upon replacing in because I have so much info to garner from. With the Newbie, I was trying to be a town leader there, but here it's hard to get leads here because even though there are some newbies, it's not really busting with discussion. Of course, I did ask alot of questions in Open 300, which was your original reason for me being scum. I did the same in Open 300 and the Newbie, but you never said anything about analysis.

[Ranmaru]

I thought that was an RVS vote hence the no reason. Rather, he said "It's a good start". Hasn't done much else, and have you even gotten an explanation?

Because I felt that Scott was trying to be pro-town even though his acts were a bit pitiful.

Ok, what difference did you see in my questions in Open 300, and here?

@Good point, Khan.

@Mastin: Why did you believe there was a 4 man scum team?

[Ranmaru]

WILL YOU NOT ANSWER HIS DAMN QUESTION. Stop that, seriously.

Oh ok, I forgot. Even so, I would think Scott's push was legit and Mana would be trying to prey off the wagon. Now that I look at it her post about it is pretty annoying because she doesn't really feel like addressing why she is voting you.

@Mana_Ku


And you feel the need to BW without a reason... why exactly?

It looks to me like your sheeping to Scott on this, but I may be missing something sublime here. I just don't know yet.

Just because I'm not stating something, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I have my reason, based on something different than Scott is voting you for.

_________________________________________________________________

Vote Count

• Ranmaru: 3 (RisingPhoenix, Skyquiem, Slaxx) L-5
  
  [winger]: 2 (Kublai Khan, gorilla) L-6
  Skyquiem: 2 (Mana_Ku, Ranmaru) L-6
  Kublai Kahn: 2 (mastin2, [winger]) L-6
  Silver1337: 1 (Hiraki) L-7
  
  
  Not Voting: 4 (inHimshallibe, Silver1337, Scott Brosious, DeityKabuto)

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[Ranmaru]

Last post was in response to Sky.

[Ranmaru]

Seriously, that really annoys the fuck out of me. You did that with my Empking question too. DON'T FUCKING ANSWER SOMEONE ELSES QUESTION.

[Ranmaru]

Oh, I missed that. Still, it was his job to explain that, not yours. I just find it annoying whenever that I seem to ask a question you seem to semi-answer it. The Empking thing you might not have known but it could have been useful to draw reactions and such.

[Ranmaru]

@Ranmaru
Have you not been reading? I already told you, my reason for not explaining my vote against Sky and for not stating who that other top suspect of mine is, was going to be mentioned yesterday. But I was sick yesterday, so it has to wait till I get back home today ._.
Hint: For not doing so, I've shown that Scott's vote against Sky is bullshit. Want to accuse me again of not having scumhunted?

I'll change my vote when I post my reads I have so far (which also includes why I voted Sky).

Your 'reason' is just as shitty. Or rather Scott actually had a reason to scumhunt on Sky and you just hid yours. I have the right to say that you aren't scumhunting. Notice how you only come to respond to me. Looking forward to the reads.

[Ranmaru]

Still waiting on that case, Mastin.

[Ranmaru]

@Mana Ku:

And again, I look forward to your reads. I do not know any of your stances. You say that we have to wait until you get home,

then where are you posting from now

????

You aren't scumhunting, you are stalling. I will then concede when you post your reads, but not now.

@Mastin: How succesful have you been in calling scum teams on D1, Mastin? I fear that your call may not be accurate. I even still am iffy about your Khan read. You stallin?

[Ranmaru]

Phoenix HAS SCUMHUNTED. I HAVE. YOU HAVEN'T.

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Vote Count

• Ranmaru: 4 (RisingPhoenix, Skyquiem, Slaxx, Mana_Ku) L-4
  
  [winger]: 3 (Kublai Khan, gorilla, Scott Brosius) L-5
  Skyquiem: 2 (Ranmaru) L-6
  Kublai Kahn: 2 (mastin2, [winger]) L-6
  Silver1337: 1 (Hiraki) L-7
  
  
  Not Voting: 3 (inHimshallibe, Silver1337, DeityKabuto)

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[Ranmaru]

Phoenix has contributed more than you have, and your vote on Sky has been bullshit. Then when I call you out on it, you OMGUS me.

Now, you said you'd vote along with your reads, where are those? And how can you move from Sky to Me without still explaining the vote on SKY?

[Ranmaru]

Khan's not at all mafia. But you don't seem to care to convince us that he may be, since your case isn't even here. I don't believe you can call the whole scum team without flips.

@Mana Ku: I'm not going to stop posting.

[Ranmaru]

@Mana Ku:

And again, I look forward to your reads. I do not know any of your stances. You say that we have to wait until you get home,

then where are you posting from now

????

You aren't scumhunting, you are stalling. I will then concede when you post your reads, but not now.

@Mastin: How succesful have you been in calling scum teams on D1, Mastin? I fear that your call may not be accurate. I even still am iffy about your Khan read. You stallin?

You don't know any of my stances? Silver is scummy, though his claim-reaction needs to be thought over. Scott is scum. You are too. Sky is town and so is Gorilla. At most, you couldn't know 2 of them. But these were hinted.
And once again, I've asked questions. Still not conceding?
I'm now home and slowly catching up. But some player who is on my policy-vig list from now, keeps posting, posting, posting: HINT, HINT, OBV HINT. Stop posting multiple things in many posts. I'm not OMGUSing. I've shown that your reason for the vote against me is scummy.

I don't care. A player here doesn't help for shit, and only attacks those that attack him. Yes, you are omgusing. "Oh, how obv can you be" Great reason, sherlock.

Again, you don't even address others. You are only addressing me. Have you ever addressed Mastin?

[Ranmaru]

If Sky is town, why did you VOTE him? You never explained that. OH I HOPE YOU DO Catch up.

[Ranmaru]

@Mana Ku:

And again, I look forward to your reads. I do not know any of your stances. You say that we have to wait until you get home,

then where are you posting from now

????

You aren't scumhunting, you are stalling. I will then concede when you post your reads, but not now.

@Mastin: How succesful have you been in calling scum teams on D1, Mastin? I fear that your call may not be accurate. I even still am iffy about your Khan read. You stallin?

You don't know any of my stances? Silver is scummy, though his claim-reaction needs to be thought over. Scott is scum. You are too. Sky is town and so is Gorilla. At most, you couldn't know 2 of them. But these were hinted.
And once again, I've asked questions. Still not conceding?
I'm now home and slowly catching up. But some player who is on my policy-vig list from now, keeps posting, posting, posting: HINT, HINT, OBV HINT. Stop posting multiple things in many posts. I'm not OMGUSing. I've shown that your reason for the vote against me is scummy.

Thank you. Btw, I only voted you in RVS.

[Ranmaru]

Mana's explanation about Sky and Scott~
I voted Sky based on gut. In his first post, he mentioned that Heads 1 and 2 hadn't had a real discussion yet with each other on the first page. I'm wondering then what there could have been discussed? The players? The one kill? The flip itself? Kabuto's claim? Revealing heads or not? The one kill, the flip, the claim and the revealment of heads were mentioned in that post, so it striked me as off. Now that I'm finally revealing what made my gut active, what did you want to have a discussion about with your other head?

I prefer not to give reasons during the RVS, so that I can look at reactions. This time, it was Scott who failed. There were players who mentioned that they didn't like that I gave no reason, but Scott wasn't one of them. While it was Scott who mentioned that it was scummy to keep information hidden. Even after I mentioned vaguely that I had a new suspect, he never asked whom and why.

Enjoy~

I guess this could possibly be a good way to start discussion. It's shaky because you as scum can just capitalize on townies also weighing in on the issue and you can attack them for it. I mean reaction baiting isn't bad but you held it for a bit too long. (You held it long enough for it to be a problem)

I look forward to what you may bring in the slight future. I'll drop you to null leaning scum though. Still would like for you to address multiple people instead of just me.

Good catch on Scott. Do you think that really makes him scum?

[Ranmaru]

I didn't say lack of scumhunting. He didn't really do much else except attack me, and respond to my question about his opinions. You just did less than he did collectively.

Yes but you should address more than one person.

Ha, funny. Honestly, you didn't help much.

I'm used to a quicker pace of mafia, so that may be why I post faster than you.

[Ranmaru]

Seriously, that really annoys the fuck out of me. You did that with my Empking question too. DON'T FUCKING ANSWER SOMEONE ELSES QUESTION.

lol

Ok, I'll probably agree with you Slaxx about this guy. Forced as all get-out.

Eh? I don't like it when Sky answers a question which isn't his.

[Ranmaru]

Eh? Explain that read further, Scott.

[Ranmaru]

Any new thoughts Gorilla, since you say it takes you a while to form reads?

[Ranmaru]

Mod: Please prod Gorilla

[Ranmaru]

I have always been against Mastin's 'reasoning' for his scumreads. His read on you is shit. I have always feared his reasoning was inaccurate. Cmon, he thinks you are scum for having two scum games, YET HE DOESN'T LINK THE TOWN GAMES so that his point can be proven right in his pov. He's trying to force the scumminess on you, and I don't like it. He then puts me on his list because I disagree with him. I don' t give a fuck, I don't play for image.

[Ranmaru]

LOL wTF RECK

[Ranmaru]

I'm laughing so hard

[Ranmaru]

You were kinda sidelining as Winger, tho. I mean, you say you caught scum before, but you weren't even trying here.

NOW CONTRA BOOT

[Ranmaru]

What's odd is that you were voting the JK as a disguised newb, brah. So you were intentionally voting a confirmed town as a 'newb'. Explain your motives plz.

[Ranmaru]

Also, I literally thought I was in the wrong game. I saw Gorilla, then Reck. LOL

EY RECK ANSWER ME DAMN IT

[Ranmaru]

Course I know he isn't accurate about me. I just fear he is inaccurate of CALLING THE WHOLE scum team like that with confidence on D1. That was my point. I don't care if he has me on his scumlist, he isn't looking for individual actions at all.

[Ranmaru]

Saw you there Phoenix.

[Ranmaru]

Then get up to date.

[Ranmaru]

What's odd is that you were voting the JK as a disguised newb, brah. So you were intentionally voting a confirmed town as a 'newb'. Explain your motives plz.

Actually, here's the thing: I only signed up for this game as [winger] to move the Large Normal queue along so I could get bumped up the slots faster. Then I realized I had to actually play, but I kept forgetting about it because I didn't bookmark it under this profile, so every few days I'd go "Shit, that other game..." then log in and see way too many pages and go "Ah, screw it, I'm not gonna read this", but I also didn't wanna replace out because that'd be just wrong (given my motivation for signing up in the first place).

I honestly, truly, 1010% didn't remember DK claiming a PR. I'm playing in another game with DK right now, where I'm being much more... uhm,

harsh

on him, so I figured here I'd give him a chance to not be such an asshat.

@Skyquiem: [offtopic]In fact, yes. It is odd playing as a newbie, because it gave me a chance to step away from the "CAPS LOCK RAAAAAGE" of it all and get back down to the basics: logic and reason being used to scumhunt. I feel like [winger] has helped me a lot in the case of getting back down to scumhunting tactics at their core, and now that I have that, I can perhaps dress up the basic tactics in an awesome outfit of RAAAAAGE and combine the two. I quit playing as Reck because I was discouraged by my shit play, but [winger] re-encouraged me, hence my "Fuck it, I'm not retired anymore" moment.[/offtopic]

Ah, hmmm.

You are currently voting Khan, right? So uh, why are you voting for Khan, don't think you gave a reason. You said follow the obv town actually.

[Ranmaru]

Eh? How is flip flopping votes scummy? Haven't changed it that much either. It was from Gorilla to > Sky. Simple as that.

I do believe myself, and I'm quite confident too.

[Ranmaru]

I only voted twice.

Now answer my question. How is flipp flopping votes scummy?

[Ranmaru]

Flip-flopping isn't about votes, it's about reads.

If I bring you to L-1 and you claim cop and I unvote you, I'm not flopping.
If I'm calling you scum for a reason (ie: YOU ONLY ASK QUESTIONS!) and you say "but that's all I'm good for!" and I unvote you, I'm flopping because my reason for voting you is still valid, yet my read has changed for no adequately explored reason (kinda like what yours are doing, best example is gorilla)

Flip Flopping is scummy because it shows your convictions are a great big load of BS.

Town players have an objective, to lynch the scum

. The scum will no doubt defend himself, but you can't just excuse a behaviour for no freakin reason.
Scum don't give a flying fuck who they lynch and are thus free to flop around at the slighest hint of resistance from their designated plaything.

You'll know for next time.

Of course, but I don't know who is scum. I'm guessing here. That's how I play. I ask questions to form reads. I ask people to clarify their actions, for example Mana.

Gorilla has done nothing and has been useless, I felt like my vote would be useful else where.

[Ranmaru]

Ranmaru, your current vote is on us therefore are you attempting to say you're confident that we're mafia becuase none of your posts have shown any sign of that. The entire reasoning behind your change of vote to us was for not answering a post you made while I was asleep. The question has been answered with you showing no qualms with the reponse however your vote and confidence in our lynch still remains, care to explain?

Changing of votes isn't a scum-tell alone, however changing votes constantly with minimal reason to is indeed a scum-tell, it reads as opportunistic mafia jumping around trying to find a bandwagon or mslynch that will get moving.

Glad I'm not the only one who gets a massive town-read of Silver from #412, head one completely disagrees with it though.

- Regfan.

Oh I forgot. I wasn't asking you about the scum team thing, I was asking Mastin about it.

I have already explained why I was annoyed about the Empking question. I was asking to see if people who knew him might have been the ones to kill him. Yet you said the opposite, that it may have been a newb who saw his join date (this was the first I heard of this). I would have wanted to bait reactions first, but you seemed to explain a reason that newb scum could hide behind. I felt that was a bit anti-town.

Now I didn't like how you answered for Mastin. I yelled at you so that you could acknowledge that I didn't like that, and that you would acknowledge answering another's question on purpose.

Yes. I have also explained that you seem to see a "Lack" of my usual play except I always play like this. I also asked you to explain HOW I demonstrate a different play then most my games. You never did this. This is why I suspect you.

I do now suspect Scott slightly because he seems to be ignoring my 'actions' to blindly call me town.

Ha, funny. I believe myself, but I still don't KNOW who the scum are. I THINK you are scum, not know. But I'm quite confident.

How confident are you?

[Ranmaru]

Yes it would be. It was about how sure he was about the 4 scum team thing.

I'm talking about the last part of your answer.

I have READ that. I asked for you to give examples after that. Here is the post: 347 You never answered that, instead you ignored it and talked about other things.

No there isn't. It's a stab in the dark.

[Ranmaru]

Why?

[Ranmaru]

His meta in this game is a 180 degree change from Elite Scumhunting Unit, where he was town. Here, he has been playing too carefully. The last game, he bombastically threw out reads left and right and didn't care if he appeared town or not, because he was, dammit, logic be damned. This game, he's putting a lot of careful thought into what he says and how he says it.

I'd also like to post my fuller case against him, but I'd like to see who will vote RisingPhoenix without me having to spell it out for them first.

Earlier you said his meta showed him to be town, broski. (As Winger)

[Ranmaru]

Wait, did we really have a jailkeeper claim? On day one? On PAGE one? With no votes down?

I'm not sure I follow why that happened, exactly. DK, why did you feel the need to claim?

How did you forget that DK was the JK?

Okay, so I've reread, and honestly nothing has popped up that has struck me as scummy. RisingPhoenix is playing the same way he did in our last game together (Elite Scumhunting Unit), which gives me town vibes from him.

DeityKabuko's early claim is terrible, but unfortunately probably makes him town as well.

Mastin versus Kublai Khan is boring and all based on meta, so I'm not going to really give it a good thought.

What exactly did he do AFTER this post, that made you change your read on him?

[Ranmaru]

ollz reck.

That's all you have to say?

@Khan: I have always been against his scumread on you. Two of my town reads, Hiraki and you, are part of the reason why I felt his call was inaccurate. Then He has Slaxx attached to ME for pushing a lynch against me. Before when Mastin has re-evaluated his town read on me, I didn't say anything about it, I just do my thing. I don't care about the WAY I say it. Town isn't image conscious.

[Ranmaru]

I'll get to that shortly.

[Ranmaru]

That question wasn't yours to answer. You just gave him the benefit of not having to answer it. (Regardless if I didn't notice he posted the answer or not)

I just told you, the last sentence. I have said the first part was good. When I got annoyed at that point, I didn't say "why did you answer that question?" I said "Why did you say that, now the newb scum can hide within that reasoning".

I was accused of fluffing in the other game too, so I still don't understand how I'm doing much worse than Open 300. I was lynched for the same thing, and other things.

[Ranmaru]

1. Yes. You didn't have to answer the question. He could have said that otherwise. Of course I would want a reaction, but you negated that.

2. That is irrelevant. I have said that the last sentence, was not the intended answer, everything else was. Everything else, was fine. I didn't like that you SAID that (the last sentence) because that could have gotten a good reaction.

[Ranmaru]

1. Not in that situation, no. I wasn't asking for what vote Mastin had.

2. Yes, it is irrelevant. My point was about the Mastin question, not the Empking question.

[Ranmaru]

Reads:

Town:

Khan, Phoenix

Slight town:

Hiraki

Newb town:

Silver, Scott Brosius, Deity Kabutops

Null:

InHim (warranted), Mastin, Gorilla

Newb null leaning scum:

[winger]

Scum:

Sky, Mana Ku, Slaxx

.


1. inHimshallibe - Need more content. Can't wait! : D
2. [winger] - Timid, doesn't know when to lay down a vote. Null leaning scum, but willing to reconsider this read. Need more content as well.
3. DeityKabuto - Sadly, he claimed pre-maturely. Yet he commits weird acts, they seem to line up with his D1 claim. Good thing he is voting and not coasting/being lazy. : P
4. Kublai Khan - I don't see scumminess and Mastin must be out of his mind. : P I like Khan's posts and I see content, nothing scummy. Seems pro-town to me.

6. mastin2 - Null. I find it odd he says he is here to stop myslynches, but this can be null because then as scum he could be stopping scum lynches. Also, he seems to put people that disagree with him as scum, or who ever his scum reads attack as town.
7. Silver1337 - Newb town. His early vote screams of "I DON'T WANT TO DIE" and also "I'm INNOCENT I TELL YA!"
8. Skyquiem - Scum. I don't like how he doesn't really explain how my play here is different than my other completed games on-site and off-site. I do the same thing in other games, so I am confused as to how Sky came to that conclusion. Don't understand his scum stance on Scott either.
9. RisingPhoenix - Town, I like his contributions (earlier on) and his legit push towards me.
10. gorilla - Useless. Just wagon fodder, and he's null to me.
11. Slaxx Reya Cookiebringer - I don't like his reasoning for his vote on me. Just for questions? Explain how that makes me scum. Don't like how he is already having a town read on mastin solely because of meta.
12. Hiraki - I found him a bit anti-town, but I did like his reasoning for pressuring Scott. Still, it's ironic that I say Hiraki is a bit anti-town and yet have him as slight town.
13. Scott Brosius - Doesn't seem scummy at ALL. He seems to be an easy lynch, and was a bit anti-town. Haven't seen him place a vote after Sky revealed his head 2.
14. Mana_Ku - Hasn't really placed a vote, and hasn't really addressed that much people. I don't care how long Mana was here, I want to see some more scum hunting. Scum
15. Ranmaru - He's a cool guy.

I voted Sky shortly there after.

@Sky:

1. But I didn't notice he explained it. He could have reacted differently. That wasn't the only reason.
2. It is irrelevant. My reason for voting is above.

[Ranmaru]

My, my, I could've

sworn

there was only seventeen pages last night...

Skimmed them all a while ago, but likely need to reread.

1: Strength. Of my scumteam, Ranmaru's currently my weakest read. Granted, that's mainly because I haven't looked into Ranmaru enough, but at the moment, Ranmaru's too weak for me to switch over.
2: Bandwagon.
A: Ranmaru has enough support without me to achieve a lynch.

No point in me putting my name there

.
B: I'm always a bit paranoid when it comes to large wagons. Granted, this feels like a natural wagon which has built with time (AKA, a wagon most likely on scum) rather than a sudden wagon most likely on town, but it still warrants caution. In this case, me reviewing my reads, double-, and then triple-checking the situation, looking at Ranmaru and the people voting him.
3: Principle. My vote remaining on Khan is a statement from me saying, "I think Ranmaru is scum, but I'm SO sure Khan's scum that I'm still on him, instead!" (See 2A for why I don't see this as an issue. I'm not needed on the Ranmaru lynch.)

'Course, all of these reasons are evident of one thing: I need to effing reread the thread, get started on my scumteam case, and reboot the Khan case in particular.

Or rather, you don't want to make a connection to me.

[Ranmaru]

Mastin, just vote Ranmaru. If he's on your hypothetical scumteam, you're playing against your wincon.

Not really. He's voting his top scumspect.

[Ranmaru]

Ok guys. Question time, all of you.

On my town flip, who is scum?
On my scum flip, who is scum?

Give three persons and why.

[Ranmaru]

Mastin, answer the question.

[Ranmaru]

But I didn't notice he explained it. He could have reacted differently. That wasn't the only reason.

This just reads as you attempting to put all possible excuses in one answer. What does it matter if you didn't notice if he had explained it or not before, I provided you with information that had already existed, that's a fact therefore how is providing a fact a scum-tell.

Skyquiem - Scum. I don't like how he doesn't really explain how my play here is different than my other completed games on-site and off-site. I do the same thing in other games, so I am confused as to how Sky came to that conclusion. Don't understand his scum stance on Scott either.

It is irrelevant. My reason for voting is above.

1. My reasoning for suspecting Scott was explained in my ISO #5, #7, #8 and #15 so to state that you don't understand our stance on him is complete bullshit.
2. As explained in ISO #25 your play this game is entire fluff lacking anaylyitical play that you're capable of such as in #1, #18 and #37 from your Newbie game.

Not for providing a fact that has been stated, but by allowing another player the leisure of not answering the question. Defense.

Not bullshit at all.

Now, you labeled those posts wrong. That wasn't even the first nor second. I usually ask questions first, as you can see. RVS then ask questions, discuss, form reads blah blah blah.

Here's the iso to check that isn't the first post. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[Ranmaru]

Winger's iso is indeed scummy. Nothing novel and nothing of substance.

This statement is not logically consistent.

The lack of anything "novel" or "of substance" is not an operational definition of "scummy". Someone being scummy implies there are things in their iso that are proactively scummy, or that stand out as scummy. My iso having "nothing" in it does not qualify as scummy.

In your eyes maybe, but just going with the flow and not providing anything novel is still scummy to me.

Scott did you notice?

[Ranmaru]

/facepalm

how about outting your thought process on that so I can defend myself

Hint: you're wrong, so it won't be too hard.

Course you'd only care about yourself there.

[Ranmaru]

Just do it.

@Slax: What does that make you think of how he is placing you on the list?

[Ranmaru]

Ranmaru, tell me why a Townie wants to know what their wagoners will think if they flip scum?

Just answer the question.

@Slax: Thank you.

[Ranmaru]

Mastin, Reck, and Diety. These are the three people that need to be on this wagon.

And town flip. Don't be biased.

[Ranmaru]

@Sky:

I'm not reaching. I could care less if you do, you aren't a player I'd enjoy playing with anyways. (Don't even know why you had to play as a mystery hydra, maybe because you got tired of myslynching town and blacklisting them? Good job) Leave that for endgame talk, don't bring it up now. And yes, I am annoyed that you'd blacklist me for in-game play.

Yes it does. I do the same here I did in that game. You just linked posts much after RVS has transpired.

[Ranmaru]

That's how I play. I just like to ask questions.

[Ranmaru]

@Mastin: I'm just used to a faster pace of mafia haha.

[Ranmaru]

I actually don't see a problem.

[Ranmaru]

I suggest we wait for Ran to "confirm" this bs.
Obviously fake Reckoner, you're losing your touch.

Ran will confirm it.
Then you die.

Wtf do I have to confirm?

[Ranmaru]

WTF. IS THIS GUY. WHO. AFL:ADSKJFDSLK:FJDSLFKJ

WHY WOULD HE CLAIM WHEN IM NOT EVEN IN DANGER

[Ranmaru]

LOL NOPE. Reck can die in a fire. Didn't he state he "couldn't care less" about my lynch? heh.

[Ranmaru]

I was L-3.

[Ranmaru]

... Again, Reck can DIE IN A FIRE. I'm so confused right now...

DO YOU WANT A FUCKING CLAIM? FUCK.

ALRIGHT. HERE IT COMES. COMING BACK RIGHT AT YA.

I AM... NOT A MASON.

I AM... A TOWN BODY GUARD. BAM.

Now, ladies and gentlemen... lynch Reck. Lynch Phoenix too, I don't care.

Sorry babes. I don't lie.

[Ranmaru]

Btw, Slaxx is town. I like the effort. Phoenix? I dunno.

Mastin/Khan? I DON'T even know right now.

[Ranmaru]

I target someone at night and whoever targets them, actually targets me.

[Ranmaru]

And he was saying there was a THIRD? LOL.

[Ranmaru]

I first thought about going along with it, but I DON'T KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT. I don't gambit either. I was laughing so hard... I didn't even read the thread. I thought I got hammered.

EY FUCK YOU BUDDY. DIE SCUM.

[Ranmaru]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I SAY "Oh hey winger is also a slight suspect" IF I'M A MASON? WHO THE FUCK IS THE THIRD?

@Sky:

I think I targetted Khan n0. I randomized the player list and got 4, so I targetted him. I don't really know if I did target him because RedCoyote might have not gotten it. (I asked not to send in a result, so I guess he might have seen it as a no action)

I just don't want to mess up cop's results or w/e.

Well says 'ability' so I guess any targets.

[Ranmaru]

Ran there's no way you're actually 21 and lack this much mental capacity.

Jesus tapdancing Christ.

YOU GO ALONG WITH IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLAIM YOUR REAL ROLE, WE GET YOU NOT LYNCHED, GET PHOENIX LYNCHED, AND ONE OF US DRAWS THE NIGHTKILL

GOD DAMMIT WHERE IS FATE

No Reck you're the dumbest person in the world. I don't fucking care how sure you are that Phoenix is scum you don't fucking fake-claim mason.

I've fake claimed power roles before to get people lynched and it's worked. Ran was just fucking dumb.

Even if he knew I was lying, I'm still obvious fucking town.

I don't give a fuck. Then later IF you got nk'd, I'd be caught for lying. I don't KNOW your fucking alignment. Why the fuck would you say we have ANOTHER?

AND you weren't townie to me. Cmon? You forgot about DK's JK, and other shit.

[Ranmaru]

I don't really know if I did target him because RedCoyote might have not gotten it. (I asked not to send in a result, so I guess he might have seen it as a no action)I just don't want to mess up cop's results or w/e.

Well says 'ability' so I guess any targets.

Can you re-explain this:

1) What did you actually send in, no action or bodyguarding Khan?
2) Does it specific anything other than 'ability'

I targetted Khan.
Nope, not at all. Just ability.

[Ranmaru]

I target one individual per night, and if that person is targeted by an ability, the ability is used on me.

[Ranmaru]

Unvote Vote: Phoenix

Cool with that wagon.

[Ranmaru]

I guess it would be similar to the first. Basically, I'd be protecting that person from an ABILITY.

@Sky: Sorry for my reasoning for you being a bit bad. I still had some scum vibes from you.

Also I try not to rely on gambits. This is why I went against it.

I was hoping to get to L-1 tho...

Btw, is it odd we have a JK, and me, a BG?

____________________________________________________________

Vote Count

• Ranmaru: 3 (RisingPhoenix, Mana_Ku, inHimshallibe) L-5
  Reck: 2 (Kublai Khan, Scott Brosius) L-6
  Scott Brosius: 1 (DeityKabuto) L-7
  
  RisingPhoenix: 5 (Reck, Hiraki, mastin2, Slaxx, Ranmaru) L-3
  
  
  
  Not Voting: 2 (Silver1337) L-7

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[/quote]

[Ranmaru]

That's why I didn't really want to send an action n0, I don't want scum giving an inno because of me. Really?

Ah. Btw, Again, I now have a town read on Slaxx. I liked the push, even though at first I didn't like his reason coming in.

Reck, may have been gambiting. Take it with a bit of salt.

[Ranmaru]

You are welcome. (for finding me scummy )

[Ranmaru]

Also I honestly don't know what I did differently from my other games as opposed to here.

[Ranmaru]

Ah, thanks. I was considering going with it, but I have gone with something similar before, and lost town because of that.

I was planning on waiting for l-1 to claim for opportunistic scum.

[Ranmaru]

Or rather, to claim to CATCH opportunistic scum on my wagon.

[Ranmaru]

Also, if I was killed instead of you, you'd most likely catch heat for it.

[Ranmaru]

Things to note about RisingPhoenix’s iso (because I don’t feel like wallposting):

- Opens up the game with an IGMEOY on me… the next post where he mentions me, he says he has a “gut town read” on me… only to turn around and go “but last time I had a gut town on him and was wrong”. He effectively fence-sits on me, while also not giving any substantial reasoning for his reads of me.
- He pressures Ranmaru early on, which is in my opinion, scum applying pressure to a weak link while ignoring/staying away from the obvious VI (Kabuto) for +townpoints if he gets lynched. What’s even more hilarious, though, is that he attacks Ranmaru for both fence-sitting AND not giving full reasons for his reads, when he did the exact same things in regards to me.
- After he realizes he has some grounds to attack Ranmaru, he pretty much locks himself into a scumtunnel and does nothing else the entire game. Observe
o iso 03: tries to convince DK to vote Ranmaru
o iso 04: asks Ranmaru an open question
o iso 05: responds to a Ranmaru post
o iso 06: responds to a Ranmaru post
o iso 07: responds to a Ranmaru post + asks Hiraki why he voted RP
o iso 08: responds to Ranmaru’s question of “who has played with Empking”
o iso 09: asks why everyone is ignoring Ranmaru
o iso 10: promises a big general analysis on Ranmaru + attacks his reads
o iso 11: questions Ranmaru’s reads
o iso 12: tells mastin2 to vote Ranmaru
o [ a few useless fluff posts]
o iso 15: ah, NOW he finally posts a case on Ranmaru
o iso 16: banter with Ranmaru about the case
o iso 17: more attacks on Ranmaru
- After his original vote on Ranmaru, he breaks off twice: once to ask Hiraki a question (then never comes back to him), and just now that I’ve thrown down a vote on him.

Summary:

RisingPhoenix locked himself into a tunnel early on and hasn’t shown the slightest bit of desire to pull out of it. Ranmaru just

screams

easy mislynch to me… but he’s a mislynch that can actually put up a fight and thus not make an attack/tunnel on him look like a big scummy lion eating a wounded gazelle (which is what the DeityKabuto lynch would look like). If Ranmaru gets lynched, then he put up a fight and flips town and there’s a lot of suspects besides RisingPhoenix. If the wagon shifts elsewhere, RisingPhoenix can keep going “WAHHH WHY IS NOBODY LISTENING TO ME ABOUT RANMARU!” until the other lynch happens, which would then result in RisingPhoenix starting Day 2 with “Will you please listen to me about Ranmaru now?” and parking his vote on him again. Ranmaru is, quite frankly, a safe place for scum to hide. And to top it all off, RisingPhoenix’s meta does not match up with Elite Scumhunting Unit at all.

Conclusion:

RisingPhoenix is scum.

Quoting this for emphasis.

[Ranmaru]

Inhim, not exactly. I just mean that I have gone with a town read over another and that person was scum who flipped on me later. So I wasn't sure of doing such a thing. Plus I don't usually gambit, so I was leaning against it regardless.

What I noticed was Scott 'ignoring' my actions to prove his town read on me right. Didn't like that.

WOW, that's the first time I have seen Phoenix address multiple people.

[Ranmaru]

@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.

I'm not being a hypocrite.

I've at least managed to get 8 posts out about the game, while the person who enters on Page 4 gets barely 5 lines, most of them lacking use.

I'd say most of these posts are pretty devoid of content, they're all a single line that is just "I like this" or "I don't like that"
of strange guttural keyboard smashes, which is what I was calling you out on. I may have less posts than you, but that doesn't mean your posts are worth more than my own, considering you've yet to provide any form of content to this game. Funny how you're leaning scum on me for not posting content while not posting content yourself. Oh wait, that's what you just told Kabuto isn't it?

@Ranmaru: I'm kind of tired of you just asking people to provide content/reads/opinions/positions in your stead. That's the vast majority of your ISO. fake content is fake as hell.

Unvote
Vote: Ranmaru

@Kabuto: If you think it's strange she wants your reads, why the F are you giving them to her? You're voting her, think she has ulterior motives, and LISTEN TO WHAT SHE'S ASKING? (when it's not even a town-sounding request!)

Most you have ever addressed in a post.

[Ranmaru]

EDIT: Skyquiem, because I didnt fall for the most obvBS claim ever I'm scum? REALLY?

1. You didn't even stop to consider it for a second.
2. You vanished the second it seemed slightly credible to return after it had been admitted as fake.

1. Reck wouldnt save his partners as mason, he's too much of a crusader
2. I have a life outside of mafia.

@Ranmaru: And your point is?

Point is when you are on the lynch line, you spread your gaze. You should spread your accusations to 2-3 people instead of one, because you won't always be right.

@Hiraki: Shut up. We are playing the game.

[Ranmaru]

If there's one thing I do well, it's town-hunt on certain names extremely well

Hmmzorz.

Like Pine.

Hmmzorz.

Just had to rub it in.

You talking about we are bringing in unhelpful content. ^

Criticizing one's play = Scum

Wowza.

Thank god your meta reeks of town play here.

Unvote, Vote: RisingPhoneix

Why did you vote RP here?

[Ranmaru]

Yeah, it was 8 to lynch.

Sorry >.>

You're an idiot.

Lol, you're scum, so no, not really.

...
Yeah, you really are an idiot.
And its not about my alignment.

EDIT: I wasnt on the lynch line until, erm, 30 minutes ago? Also what accusation have you made on your own may i inquire?
Fuckin hipocrisy, again.

EDIT: That was like, 4 days ago Reck.
You havent read, have you?

I didn't. I did say that you didn't help at all though. You only came to post mostly about me. What did you do besides that?

[Ranmaru]

What do you mean? I'll consider it, because I am always all ears to suggestions of improvement and such.

____________________________________________________________

Vote Count

• Ranmaru: 2 (RisingPhoenix, Mana_Ku) L-6
  Reck: 2 (Kublai Khan, Scott Brosius) L-6
  Scott Brosius: 1 (DeityKabuto) L-7
  RisingPhoenix: 6 (Reck, Hiraki, mastin2, Slaxx, Ranmaru, inHimshallibe) L-2
  
  
  Not Voting: 2 (Silver1337) L-7

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[/quote]

[Ranmaru]

If there's one thing I do well, it's town-hunt on certain names extremely well

Hmmzorz.

Like Pine.

Hmmzorz.

Just had to rub it in.

You talking about we are bringing in unhelpful content. ^

Criticizing one's play = Scum

Wowza.

Thank god your meta reeks of town play here.

Unvote, Vote: RisingPhoneix

Why did you vote RP here?

I'm giving you ten seconds to give up any thought asking those questions before a flip a fucking rage shit wall of unknown proportions.

Like the nukes in Call of Duty? Where they compete for world records?

I'll break them all.

Reads as a soft-scum claim.

My thoughts exactly.

What? You tell me to post in-game content, and then you say this? Heh. Explain your vote. You just said "Well he needs to die" without explanation.

[Ranmaru]

Unvote

Shouldn't we talk moar bout it tho

[Ranmaru]

Meh w/e.

Vote: RP

[Ranmaru]

Scott should also be looked at. Mana too.

the newbs... I dunno

WELL LETS SEE THE FLIP GUYS.

[Ranmaru]

I am so happy that worked xD

ITS NEVER WORKED BEFORE

Lol, yeah. I'm still for Mana ku dying. Sky is kinda null to me, now. Sorry for the bad reasoning.

[Ranmaru]

Don't call out specific players, Jesus Christ.

That list are the people that need to be checked out/blocked.

No that wasn't related to your post. I was just saying in general.

[Ranmaru]

for future reference, while it was my mistake to fuck over that cheap trick, I consider it very underhanded and... well, cheap.

Blame the mod for being lazy

[Ranmaru]

WHY SILVER? WHY? (needed more words lol)

Gorilla doesn't even post.

@Sky: Yeah. I don't actually mind playing with you, I was just insulting you. : P I just felt my suspicion of Gorilla was weak, so I moved on.

@Phoenix: Yes, the push was legit, but that was all you have done. I have told you later on that you were sitting on me.

[Ranmaru]

BAh, Go town!

[Ranmaru]

Sorry for my play. I'll try to give reads instantly next time. Good stuff Reck.

[Ranmaru]

Mastin, why did you think I was town at first? Did me disagreeing with your khan read affect your read on me? (lolz I was wrong omg)

Also.... LOLZ at Khan being scum.

Umm, Khan. If Khan would have been lynched, you'd have been lynched after wards for bussing xD