Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[Gammagooey]

Shit, let's be santa

So I have some stuff from my role PM that I need to share by the end of the day. The first gets the following blatantly obvious breadcrumb (to a few of you) since I'd rather get a few reads before sharing it, and will probably be explained once I have a serious vote down.
sykedoc "mountainous" role

The second is that those domains listed in the post after the rules aren't all the domains- more can be added through certain casts as the game goes on, although I don't THINK there are would be any roles that only use a domain that hasn't been added yet.

CARRY ON.

Vote:quadz08

[Gammagooey]

What sort of god role would cause them shenanigans? It seems to indicate alignment shift as well?

:?
Why would you think alignment shift? The one I know of is basically-if the domain is created then I get power from any worships of it just like it was one of my primary domains.

[Gammagooey]

@Sera-POWERFUL WIZARD mafia: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14305
i have comments on Mina's shenanigans but I like reads so other people get to answer first.

[Gammagooey]

I'm awake and most people have posted so let's do this.

my first post breadcrumb was that I'm a miller - that's the role I had in sykedoc's marathon game during the server transfer with a retired cop, nurse, + me against 2 mafia in a 7 player setup (it was called an outsider instead of a miller though). The server transfer games aren't up still but VP Baltar was definitely in the game and I think Nikanor and maybe VV were in it too. It's pretty much exactly like it is in the sample PM except it isn't called

WHAT IS A MAN

. I'm also Lawful Evil. (and before faraday/someone else asks my allegiance is town.)
Before everyone posted I thought this might be like SpyreX's first Star Control game (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=12390), pretty much everyone with at least one ability and a decent portion (4+ players) of the game being millers so that cop abilties are significantly weakened, but that doesn't seem to be the case with only me and sotty claiming miller.

@NikiMina's stuff- I'm expecting a majority of the scum to be evil and a LARGE majority of the town to be not-evil, with a few exceptions on both sides. Unless the scum is actually tigers, in which case I guess they'd be something like 50/50 neutral/evil with one good.

Also since sotty's ninjaing me I don't have miller flavor. Just the ability name.

I'm getting uber-ninjaed so this first actual content next post.

[Gammagooey]

READS:
quadz is showing that I am clearly good at random voting with him calling out vote-switches on him without doing much else.

AGM I really wish had waited until around halfway through the day to bring up the policy lynch- if moth hadn't been posting much content/was moderately scummy then he'd get insta-noosed instead of him knowing that he has to be around to have a chance of surviving. The policy lynch choice is fine but provable power that would be really dumb to give to scum is making my GLARE-O-VISION act up- there's no reason at all why it couldn't be a scum power, it would basically just be one less town member for free assuming AGM-scums. Also I hate his I HAVE TO RESPOND TO ALL THIS NONSENSE but that's more personally irritating than it is scummy.

similar early reads as to faraday- seraphim is town and ooba is a town lean.

Nicki is more likely town than not IMO- mostly gut

Plum has me paranoid with the big ol' wall post pointing out a how scummy Nicki is on page 3- It's page 3, and most of the points are pushed about as far as they can possibly be taken- it's like trying to make a case on someone and going through their whole iso to find every point instead of looking at the overall play to find out whether or not they're scum. And there's no mention of anyone else in the game except my domain thing being shiny.

I wanna see more posts from Duplicity.

Aaaand I should PROBABLY be voting sotty until they explain what flavor they have exactly but I don't feel like moving my vote from quadz right now.

[Gammagooey]

Actually yeah the more I think about it the more it looks like sotty was trying to make the miller claim look better instead of just saying what was in the role PM.

Vote: sottyrulez

[Gammagooey]

I was in that game, I think the 7-player was right before it.
I actually have a screenshot of the town aligned mafia one ending but not the 7-player one >:[

SK and you lynched Amished, the bad cop, for town winz.
Also in that game we lynched VP Baltar-scums d1 with like 9 votes out of 12 players.
It was amazing.

[Gammagooey]

Eh?

The flavor is a passive ability called Trollspeak, this ability returns allegiance investigations as mafia and no result to all other investigations. We also can not be neighborized due to this passive ability.

So does it actually say in the ability something like 'due to lack of understanding you can't be neighborized & your allegiance will be seen as mafia' or is it just the ability name and then a description of what it means game-wise?

@VV- i dunnoooooo.

[Gammagooey]

@VV-Also you probably don't remember me because I died n1 both games.
*fist shaking*

[Gammagooey]

Eh.
I'm not SUPER happy with that but quadz is still scummier than you and I can see it making sense so

Vote: quadz08

[Gammagooey]

@VP- I was in Wizards, we massclaimed spell schools and abilities d2 and set up a night action plan. It KINDA worked- we had a mass block one night and no kill after lynching right on MYLO that gave us an extra lynch because of it, but the most obvious town in the game was secretly scum and no killed instead of actually blocking that kill so uh...yeah.

[Gammagooey]

So instead of massclaiming domains, I would recommend that everyone name what domain they'd like worshipped. Which gives us nearly the same information for our purposes (what should I worship if I think X is town?), but hinders someone who needs to know what everyone's domains are.

This absolutely isn't happening until D2. I'm perfectly fine with it happening then though.

[Gammagooey]

Paraaaaamaaaaaaaaaaa Magua is probtown. Vote for quadz or I guess VV works too. (i only have a nullread on him he's still better than Magua)
Or Plum but you haven't actually mentioned her at all.
You should probably read the game btw, it's a pretty cool thing to do.

It is correct that I CAN be neighborized, whereas sotty sez they can not be.

[Gammagooey]

Hay VV-
Why do you like quadz lynch?
Is there anyone other than him and Parama that you think is particularly scummy?
Who would have you random voted for if you got here before AGM did?

[Gammagooey]

lolol VV is scum, cute.

NEXT.

Hay VV-
Who would have you random voted for if you got here before AGM did?

disagree
I never read games, I skim them and look for the valuable posts. It tends to work.

I'm referring all of you to my new avatar.

AUGH THIS NINJA WALL IS CRUSHING ME

[Gammagooey]

My replacement doesn't exist yet though.

There are 6-7 people on the replacement list.

[Gammagooey]

Gamma I don't get it

This avatar is how I'm looking at you when I read your posts.

Don't really think Parama is that scummy anymore. His admitance to his hypocrisy is very odd. But then again, this is Parama we are talking about, hence I asked someone to look through the argument.

I haven't even posted since the last time you called me obvscum
And I admitted to the hypocrisy BEFORE anybody called it out.
And yo only just figured that out with you "o crap" moment there

See if you'd actually READ HIS POSTS you'd notice he HASN'T called you obvscum.
He has called you a hypocritical sack of shit but personally I think that's pretty fair right now.

[Gammagooey]

@NS- In Border of Touhou and Mafia Xyl pushed for a policy lynch on zwet for pretty much the entire game. There might be more history behind it but that's the only specific part I know of.

Given the activity so far the battery shouldn't be a problem d1, plus there are enough people that if moth doesn't step it up there can just be a mass vote-switch to lynch him and then go back to quadz or someone else if they scum it up a few notches in the meantime.

Personally I think if he's in the lower 50% of players in town-i-tude by the time another lynch is about to happen we should string him up, barring a lynch happening within a day and a half or so.

[Gammagooey]

Soooo I'm pretty much just sitting back and waiting for mothrax and quadz and rayfrost to post at this point.

reads haven't really changed but if Plum flips scum later then MoI shoots up a billion scum-spots for what looks like distancing and then letting Plum off the hook once it's unlikely she's todays lynch.

[Gammagooey]

gassssssssssssp.
I was gonna ask you about why Duplicity-scum but PoE-wise it makes sense.

[Gammagooey]

gassssssssssssp.
I was gonna ask you about why Duplicity-scum but PoE-wise it makes sense.

PoE-wise? Seriously?

There's 22 players left. In the neighborhood of 5-6 scum.

Does that not seem a *wee* bit early to be invoking PoE as an explanation?

It's more like there aren't that many people who are LESS likely town than him so although he hasn't really done much scummy stuff so I can see him being scum pretty easily.

[Gammagooey]

This isn't about who I love baby. (And he's literally the most obvious townie in the game)

<3

[Gammagooey]

gassssssssssssp.
I was gonna ask you about why Duplicity-scum but PoE-wise it makes sense.

the fuck is this

YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.
HERE HAVE A FREEBIE.

Spoiler: picture

Also see my post 376.

[Gammagooey]

Equi, Magua's daykill is like 90% fake at this point. I can point you to why if you'd like cause Magua's probably gotten all the reactions he wanted by now (and if he hasn't then it would be revealed in about 2 hours anyway)

hito clarify this for me

Though I can say that probably the only Worships we should have tonight are people who themselves worship Justice or Balance and see that there is 1 or 0 worships in that Domain. 2+ = don't worship.

By this do you mean only people that are justice/balance should be worshipping justice/balance or that nobody except justice/balance should be worshipping at all?

[Gammagooey]

Okay. From a neutral ground-state, unless you have a non-cast ability that requires x worships, worshiping ANY domain is anti-town.

Very much disagree with this because I think that most players will have casts but no 0 faith abilities (or maybe a few with useless ones like I had in WIZARDS) and that I don't think Vi balanced this mountainous-wise but I see what you meant in your last post.

[Gammagooey]

@Vi-

Equinox is missing from the Not Voting list.

Thank you. ~Vi

[Gammagooey]

can we get to lynching him now?

No.
Stop being useless. He isn't getting lynched today.

[Gammagooey]

8<

unvote, vote: quadz

everwhat.

yaaaaaaaaaaay

[Gammagooey]

DDD we were all 3 in 11th hour. Sera replaced out though d1 or 2 i think though.

[Gammagooey]

Question, would quadz's lynch still qualify as a policy lynch, or do we have to lynch who AGM chooses...that will definitely make a difference in my decision/the order in which we should lynch...

If we lynch mothrax we get another lynch today. If we don't lynch mothrax then we don't get another lynch today.
lynching someone else Then mothrax today don't work.
I really would like to believe faraday+magua+whoever about mothrax but he neeeeeeeeeds to post guud post. Very soon.

And DDD he WAS scum there so he has an excuse for it =b

[Gammagooey]

quad's wall does nothing for me. DDD COULD use some more content but him being the biggest scumread is Meh plus quadz attacking an obvious joke is bad plus the only scumread he had that's actually posted content is Niki Minaj.

Also voting DDD when moth is on his scumlist and gives a double day when lynched seems a little weird to me but I guess he might have wanted to vote his strongest scumread.

But yeah POSTING from a few people then quadz lynch. Let's do it.

[Gammagooey]

You guys DID make sure to ask Vi about this hydra replacing in before posting right?

[Gammagooey]

I ISOed every player in the game, and I posted anything I thought needed to be posted about. DDD is the scummiest player in the game right now, IMO.

Waaaaaaaitwaitwaitwaitwait.

So you isoed every player in the game.
And didn't have Anything to say about the other wagons of today? nothing on parama or VV or Plum? Seriously?

Spoiler: A pretty picture

[Gammagooey]

Faraday You're done modding that game how did you even.

'look my Imma leave my random vote there because I think he's scummy now woooooo.'

I enjoyed reading this. Mostly because I might actually say it if you replaced my with 'guyz'

quadz getting all mad at DA for not posting much before the hydra got in seems overstated.
Aside from that I don't think quadz's most recent posts are that scummy but his earlier ones were lynchworthy enough plus Seraphim is saying lynch him and he's preeeeetty clearly town.

And I'm getting super ninjaed so reading stuff in a minute.

[Gammagooey]

AGM I get that you want moth dead because you think that his posts aren't nearly enough to put him as solid town.

But you tunnelling on him and not talking about anything else is seriously not helping you right now. Can you give some other reads please?

[Gammagooey]

@agm-Seraphim is seriously my strongest town read.
Give me some reads that aren't functionally retarded.

[Gammagooey]

@AGM- his isos 5-9 look super town to me because it's legit town thinking and scum hunting.

[Gammagooey]

If I ask will you do it now?
(you should totally do it now)

[Gammagooey]

HELLO HELLO BABY YOU CALLED? I CAN'T HEAR A THING.

I'LL LEAVE A VOICEMAIL, ONE SEC.

(ring ring)
(ring ring)
(ring ring)
*irish accent*
*beep*
OH HAY ASPLAIN THINGS TO MINA KKTHANKS.

Oh wait you're hammered fine do it SOBER later then.

This post has been brought to you by Fluff enterprises- for all your silly and non-game related posting needs.

(bonus content: singer asking for the PM looks townz)

[Gammagooey]

10 bucks AGM is a jester trying to act like a lyncher
Any takers?

I take it.
Vi putting a jester in the game is a nope.

[Gammagooey]

[Gammagooey]

Rayfrost please tell me what you see in quad's iso that makes you think he's town, because I don't see anything resembling town in it. And if you say that it's because of the OTHER voters on the wagon then you should Really know that if he's scum there will be other scum bussing on his wagon by this point.

[Gammagooey]

His push toward DDD seems highly unreasonable for scum to do. His points (though wrong) don't feel contrived in that regard, and the conviction he put into his case there doesn't have the urgency or flailing aspect to it that would be likely to come from scum that's so close to being sent to the grave. His posts lack the cornered feel that I'd expect scum to have when run up so far, and I honestly didn't understand the original suspicion on him in the first place.

Umm. I disagree?
If I was scum in quad's position I'd find DDD at least a decent target- nobody's posting about him so it would be "scumhunting" on someone who hasn't gotten much attention, people can't really argue with the fact that DDD hasn't given much content like they can with "I think his posts are legit townz cause etc.", and he isn't likely to explode with content and make his read look shitty in the near future.

To be honest, I didn't have any kind of real read on him when I posted my "Quadz is town. Discuss."

Discuss.

*shrugs*

As a final note I giggled at this.

People that shouldn't be dying even if someone claims daycop with a guilty result (hint: the daycop's scum):Gamma

[Gammagooey]

Dammit rayfrost read the thread better/have a better memory. Reread my iso #3.

[Gammagooey]

This is happening.

Vote:Quadz

Claiming n1 worships is fine, claiming domains+faith is iffier but I think it would still be alright.

[Gammagooey]

and by n1 i mean n0.

[Gammagooey]

Damnit nobody else is going to bother with this are they.
FINE.
CLAIM N0 WORSHIP/NOT WORSHIP (and which domain worshipped if you did) IN THIS ORDER.
quadz
VV
Plum
AGM
hito
DDD
NS
Parama
Rayfrost
sottyrulez
VPB
MoI
Demonic Angel
singersinger
Faraday
Magua
Seraphim
Gamma

If you want people to go in a different order then argue for it and if it makes sense then it changes. But if you're next up on the list then claim worship first talk about other people's orders afterwards.

[Gammagooey]

I forgot ooba didn't I. Put him after Demonic Angel.

[Gammagooey]

Why the hell ISN'T he posting in thread exactly. I mean neighbors are cool and all but doing that but completely ignoring the actual thread is dumbs.

@AGM ooba is probably town.

Also the assumption that scum optimized everything perfectly for maximum scummsmagic, instead of actually doing shit that they can claim and make themselves look town (like half worshipping fairly spread out domains and half not casting and hoping their domains will get worshipped.) is silly.
Probably more post when I don't have people over.

[Gammagooey]

Because claiming a PR first thing and drawing attention to himself by doing that is more likely to come from town than scum. Also I told you why Seraphim was town earlier, why are you bitching.

[Gammagooey]

Didn't have anyone worth doctoringa wk aontaoiwhjtoaijta;hj5;o3ajowjt3

No.
Die.

[Gammagooey]

HITO WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MISGUIDED TOWN BUT YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR QUADZ GODAMNIT

So I had to leave to take my friend home to their apartment so I couldn't express very LENGTHILY HOW SCUM QUADZ IS.

NEIGHBORIZING TO "SAVE A MISLYNCH"? NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO TAKE A SMALL RISK TO SAVE SOMEONES GODAMN LIFE? CLAIMING CHAOTIC GODAMN EVIL?

There is no reason why anyone should be voting someone that isn't quadz.
I think I'm more confident that he's scum than anyone I've ever played with, with the possible exception of that Amished/VPB hydra in Alliance Initiative.
not doccing anyone with a claimed cop around is beyond terrible, wanting to save a mislynch isn't town thought at godamn ALL.
Quadz is scum. There will be absolutely no other lynch and I don't even want to wait for the worships to be finished being claimed before he dies.

I don't think I have any more words.
wait.
GODAMN.
okay now I'm done.

[Gammagooey]

No.
Fuck your setup speculation.
Scum VERY VERY EASILY could have decided to have 2-3 people worshipping spread out and 2-3 people not action and rely on the town to power them AND have the benefit of actually not fucking risking getting caught because of n0 shit.

I don't know what the hell you're smoking that you or ANYONE ELSE would think that trying to save yourself over OTHER TOWNIER PEOPLE would be a good idea.
I've been mislynched exactly once, in powerful wizard mafia.

Also, there's something else pointing to it being a fakeclaim but it requires him and someone else to be scum together. Which they are so it's all good.

[Gammagooey]

I will seriously trade every last town point I have for you two to vote quadz right now.

[Gammagooey]

Jesus plus he didn't even MENTION the chaotic evil stuff while Nicki Minaj was going on about that even though to him it would make PERFECT SENSE for some evil players to be town and for NM to be asking about it

[Gammagooey]

Faraday I can't handle this.
quadz is screaming scum in every way possible and people all are SETUP SPECULATION SCUM DO THIS NO MATTER WHAT and AUGH.

[Gammagooey]

probably protect a non-lawful member of the scumteam and claim to have protected someone else. But I'm not quadz.

[Gammagooey]

Personally I think it's more likely that he DOESN'T have the doc ability and that's just part of the fakeclaim though.

[Gammagooey]

Also, let's say quadz has a redirect as his 4 faith ability instead of a vig.
Would you think it would be worth it as scum to have him no worship and hope that town give him enough to redirect, and if not he still has a neighborize backup action?

[Gammagooey]

Okaaaay then let's say that quads shares a domain with the guy that has an awesome cast at 2-3. Assuming 5-6 scum would you have quadz no-cast since they'd both be able to get the benefits and it would make quadz look a little townier to neighborize someone?

MY POINT WITH ALL THIS silliness is that you're looking at one possibility and going that's what happened. When there are ALSO possibilities that could have quadz be a scum neighborizer who neighborized his wife for townpoints, and you're letting him off the hook despite his play being literally the scummiest in the entire game by a very very large margin.
I am not going to unvote him for a godamn POSSIBILITY, when every bit of his play looks like scum scumming it up with his scums who love scumming in the scumscum.

[Gammagooey]

Magua I'm leaning town on singer but it's not a particularly strong read.

Also is Ray not counting posts I made about quadz or is he being all HERF SAYING THAT IT'S NOT A TOWN THOUGHT PROCESS ISN'T SCUMHUNTING.

If you'd like some more on why it's not town it's because it's WAY too cautious- it's basically a jailkeep at WORST and he chose to not use it at all, and he even had someone that if he thought he was scum he could just roleblock them as well 100% (sotty). It's like he was so worried about being called out for a POSSIBLE roleblock that he would rather stay alive longer than potentially do something godamn helpful.

@AGM-?

[Gammagooey]

Oh @ Hito- Parama has been at least partially intentionally scummy. Although doing it to the extent he has is irritating, it's not nearly as scummy as someone who's been trying to look town and failed miserably.

[Gammagooey]

Fate stop being a fucking douchebag.

[Gammagooey]

you can see my reads pretty clearly. And no, hearing that someone doesn't enjoy playing with you and then immediately being a dick to them and doing everything that entails WHY they don't enjoy playing with you is not helpful. If you want to be mean in a case fine but this has nothing to do with you thinking DDD or Magua is scummy.

[Gammagooey]

He said he would be up for a policy lynch if you started doing this very shit you just started doing.

And you aren't TOUCHYFEELY enough to actually care about someone trying to policy lynch you. Don't bring up FEELINGZ, you probably posted in your DA QT "HEAHEAHAHA DDD THINKS HE CAN POLICY LYNCH ME EH"

[Gammagooey]

hito skim over Reaper's play in Wizards- http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14305

Granted Parama was IN that game so he could just be abusing it but if he doesn't shape up later then he can have a noose.

quadz already claimed and it's a BAD claim and he's scummy as all hells, so wagon ain't changin'.

[Gammagooey]

@Seraphim- VV is next on the list of worship claims and he's apparently not showing up today AND quadz is uberscum so fuck em'. I wouldn't be the least bit sad about a VV-vig if anyone would like to take care of that issue.

[Gammagooey]

Uh.
I can find a pretty picture for whoever hammers quadz?
Man I can't compete with this stuff.

[Gammagooey]

hammer plz.

[Gammagooey]

HAI 5 DDD

Would you like a pretty picture of some sort?

[Gammagooey]

...

[Gammagooey]

Not surprised but I was hoping that Plum would reread everything and get suspicious of Faraday after he forced cast name claims and you knew about Tar's death note ability.

Oh well, Faraday played amazingly well, and DA fucking up his worship claims and getting lynched instead of a Confirmed Scum hurt really, REALLY bad.\

Reading over actions and role PMs.

Fate stop ninjaing me

[Gammagooey]

FARADAY sent in the kill that murdered me?
I thought it was someone else because of the splat being different from the inexplicably mutated that also didn't make sense.
THE BETRAYAL

[Gammagooey]

GAMMA IT'S TIME TO DIE. I SHALL BATHE IN YOUR BLOOD. FOR I AM A TIGER.

GODAMNIT

[Gammagooey]

You and/or Katsuki was a fuckwit and switched your n1 and n0 worship or some stupid shit like that and then neither of you bothered double checking ever.

[Gammagooey]

You weren't read as obvtown because you weren't obvtown.

And this entire damn thing could have been avoided if you actually checked your worship shenanigans to make sure they were right before nobody special got lynched.

Lynching you over an actual guilty was kind of dumb considering there were things that could steal worships but all you had to do was not fuck up your claim and that wouldn't have happened.

[Gammagooey]

OH Parama died and also was scum so I can have my avatar stop glaring at him now.

[Gammagooey]

If you got a guilty on someone who didn't claim evil early then they're scum and you should murder them >.>

I was considering claiming my non-restricted unblockable cop ability d3 since I used shrug n2 buuut then I died that same night and was very very sad.

[Gammagooey]

: / The only people who didn't claim it were nobodyspecial, who never bothered playing the game and Duplicity, who died the same night you did

[Gammagooey]

Ha.

[Gammagooey]

I think a variant using Mod Meta rather than Player Meta would be rather exciting.

So, I've been lurking around and watching this thread since mid-May (in no small part to figure out where the Tarhalindur role was - I was disappointed when Parama flipped scum, SK is my favorite role after all). It finishes and I see this post.

And then I have a horrible idea.

MetaMafia II: Tarhalindur vs. Vi. Comodded by... Tarhalindur and Vi. (Needs a snappier title, of course. War of the Bastards?)

Would have to be a ways away, but... I'm already getting role ideas.

/prein

[Gammagooey]

So I've been misreading the Verbosity explanation as "credo of being more better". This entire game. And just realized it wasn't in that order now.
/idiot