Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[VasudeVa]

HAhah. That's pretty funny coming from you, mr. Parama. You're a way worse offender than I am in the things you've mentioned.

[Parama]

things I've mentioned:
you riding a crap policy wagon on the say of agm so that you don't have to bus today
I really don't think you've read a word of my posting.

[Parama]

Granted 75% of my posting has been in the last 10 minutes but

[sottyrulez]

I said I think gamma is town...that should be a pretty clear indicator.

re:talking to Magna - you think I'm asking him for any other reason than to figure out his alignment?

What have you figured out?

@Hito: Sotty said she didn't want to give hints to other roles.

Is there a reason it matters?

[Magua]

unvote, vote: magua

I don't care that VV has basically claimed scum. Magua basically just posted his role PM for us.

Mmm hmm. And what is different in my #172 from my #155 that moved me from "to-be-ignored-all-game" to "scum"?

[VP Baltar]

I said I think gamma is town...that should be a pretty clear indicator.

re:talking to Magna - you think I'm asking him for any other reason than to figure out his alignment?

What have you figured out?

That's not really any of your biddness atm. When I have concluded my read on MoI, you'll be the first to know.

[Equinox]

@Equinox: Your opinion on Parama, please.

Scales haven't tipped yet. The unvote, vote thing in his post, I don't think points to his alignment either way, and the post didn't feel forced to me. Not sure how to take his anger, though; I'll just see how you and Parama fight it out because now I'm out the door.

[Parama]

VV-scan:
ISO 0 is the main offense
ISO 1 is talking about another game and its mechanics
ISO 2 is a response to a response to ISO 1
ISO 3 is defending his crap vote
ISO 4 is a statement that VV sees no reason not to vote mothrax, and he's attacking anyone question his vote
---but do you have a reason to vote him that isn't based off AGM's post?
ISO 5 is a response to the point I'm attempting to make here
ISO 6 is an OMGUS attack at its purest

Now, folks. I have a FABULOUS PRIZE waiting for whoever can tell me what's missing from VV's ISO. It's not a very hard question, so step right up!

pedit: it's that you're trying to make everyone suspicious of me for something that is LEGITIMATELY not suspicious and that you KNOW is not suspicious. You're asking Equi, arbitrarily, to make your case for you.

pedit II: and look, Equi did the smart thing and said "I'm not makin yo case fo ya, foo!"

[hitogoroshi]

Magua: Agree/Disagree with this statement: "When we discover which Domain has the most Worshippers tonight, we should take care to never Worship that domain again."

Agree. (I reserve the right to modify this depending on what information we get when someone flips.)

However, you should not rule out the idea that the scum have access to every domain to begin with.

Between them they might, sure, but it's likely they're all worshipping the domain of their best PR.

Obviously it could change with flips. But we have to draft out a N1 action plan

without knowing

the N0 worships, and it's gonna be a bitch. For now short metrics like "avoid the most worshipped domains" are what we want. We can get more sophisticated with more information. (We have to be careful about getting that information - I agree with you in that Tar probably has an ability specifically there to dick over massclaims. And, since massclaiming is often pretty powerful in lots-of-people-have-PRs game, it's probably a BIG dick over.)

unvote, vote: Parama

Stretching crappy reasoning too far. ("Basicially just posted his role PM for us?") Also keenly aware that if Magua is lynched and I'm nk'd town is down on most of it's setup speculators in a fairly complex setup.

@Hito: Sotty said she didn't want to give hints to other roles.

Is there a reason it matters?

It wastes a neighborize if you're targeted. I just feel like if I had a "can't be neighborized" in my role I'd claim it first post, y'know?

[Parama]

BAAAA
BAAAA
HITO YOUR AVATAR IS A LLAMA RIGHT?
IT'S A PERFECT FIT FOR YOU

ever heard of something called a "hyperbole"? yeah...
p.s. setup speculation is a waste of time and that's a fact

[sottyrulez]

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

~Sotty

[VP Baltar]

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

~Sotty

I certainly would consider it...why not?

[Magua]

pedit: it's that you're trying to make everyone suspicious of me for something that is LEGITIMATELY not suspicious and that you KNOW is not suspicious. You're asking Equi, arbitrarily, to make your case for you.

Equinox said he wanted to talk about the players who were posting. I obliged.

pedit II: and look, Equi did the smart thing and said "I'm not makin yo case fo ya, foo!"

No, what he said is, "No comment."

Between them they might, sure, but it's likely they're all worshipping the domain of their best PR.

Yes. That's why I agreed with you. =P

@Parama:

Is hitogoroshi part of my-and-VV's scumteam?

[sottyrulez]

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

~Sotty

I certainly would consider it...why not?

Because I would expect them to eat a vig bullet.

Made late in the game if they are still alive, otherwise it would be a waste IMO.

~Sotty

[hitogoroshi]

BAAAA
BAAAA
HITO YOUR AVATAR IS A LLAMA RIGHT?

ever heard of something called a "hyperbole"? yeah...

oh well if you've got a REASON for throwing out hyperbole for a crap case I'm all ears

p.s. setup speculation is a waste of time and that's a fact

I take it you'll be Worshipping randomly?

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

Sure. Why wouldn't I?

[sottyrulez]

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

~Sotty

I certainly would consider it...why not?

Because I would expect them to eat a vig bullet.

Made late in the game if they are still alive, otherwise it would be a waste IMO.

~Sotty

Made = Maybe

Twice I get ninja'ed. Bah.

[sottyrulez]

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

~Sotty

I certainly would consider it...why not?

The real question is whether or not we'd be expected to claim this were we not a miller.

[Parama]

pedit II: and look, Equi did the smart thing and said "I'm not makin yo case fo ya, foo!"

No, what he said is, "No comment."

He didn't explictly say that, he implied it and it's pretty damn obvious to anyone reading it.

@Parama:

Is hitogoroshi part of my-and-VV's scumteam?

It's you-and-VV-and-quadz, but
Probably d(''d)
getting to that, in fact:

ever heard of something called a "hyperbole"? yeah...

oh well if you've got a REASON for throwing out hyperbole for a crap case I'm all ears

it's pretty obvious that the only crap case here is Magua's, so
why is my case bad? you didn't even acknowledge it.

p.s. setup speculation is a waste of time and that's a fact

I take it you'll be Worshipping randomly?

Ooh, snide comments. haha. that's supposed to be funny.
good thing no other player with llama in their name is in this game so I can just call you llama all game. It's shorter than hito anyways.

[VP Baltar]

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

~Sotty

I certainly would consider it...why not?

The real question is whether or not we'd be expected to claim this were we not a miller.

Well, I am just speaking theoretically, but if I was a neighborizor and I potentially wanted to stop a miller-viggin or a-lynchin, pulling you in with some night talk and trying to find your alignment in an up close and personal way wouldn't be a terrible idea. I think the inverse of what you said is actually the better play...ie, pull the miller in early to get an alignment before the vig shoots you. Just my feeling on it.

[Magua]

Miller/neighborizer discussion is boring and useless.

@VP, Sotty:

Your opinion on Parama, please.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Sotty and Gamma

– I want to be clear … Sotty is claiming as part of her Miller claim she can’t be Neighborized but Gamma is claiming to have no such restrictions. Is this correct?

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Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

Why wouldn’t you?

1. You are inherently claiming Town by claiming Miller. It gives the Neighborizor another ostensibly Town player to bounce ideas off.
2. If you are fake-claiming scum it is another way for said Neighborizor to detect such.

P-Edit - Bah, ninjaed by VPB.

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Stretching crappy reasoning too far. ("Basicially just posted his role PM for us?") Also keenly aware that if Magua is lynched and I'm nk'd town is down on most of it's setup speculators in a fairly complex setup.

Hmmm .. not sure what to make of this. Why would you bother to specifically go out of your way to say this?

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What exactly am I ignoring MoI?

Pretty much anything that doesn’t involve a lazy lynch just to lynch someone (Mothrax) and your Why Me routine.

What do you think about Parama and Magua?

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Your case on me: lol I voted twice in the same post
Uh okay.
That's not a case. I'll just put you on my "to-be-ignored-all-game" list now.

Basically insultingly dismissive about early pressure that may not be the most logical? Check.

specifically, I hope you choke:
quadz
vv
magua

I don't care that VV has basically claimed scum. Magua basically just posted his role PM for us.

Followed by post 182 we have three direct assertions that VV is scum.

Yet no vote in-sight for VV, who has far more votes than Magua.

[Faraday]

quadz + vv both need to die ASAP.

Parama is town.

[MagnaofIllusion]

quadz + vv both need to die ASAP.

Parama is town.

Then vote VV ... it is the logical course of action at this time.

[Gammagooey]

Paraaaaamaaaaaaaaaaa Magua is probtown. Vote for quadz or I guess VV works too. (i only have a nullread on him he's still better than Magua)
Or Plum but you haven't actually mentioned her at all.
You should probably read the game btw, it's a pretty cool thing to do.

It is correct that I CAN be neighborized, whereas sotty sez they can not be.

[VasudeVa]

things I've mentioned:
you riding a crap policy wagon on the say of agm so that you don't have to bus today
I really don't think you've read a word of my posting.

Yeah, I misread that. I'm actually playing LoL at this moment.

The problem with your bullshit case is that you're a hypocritical sack of shit.
You attacked me because I lack content and I rode a wagon(on mothrax), and FOS'd quadz.
Magua is attacking you because you lack content, you're starting/riding(whatever, don watn to scroll) my wagon, and then FOS'ng quadz.

Soo yeah, don't be hatin bro if your own BS case gets used against you.