Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

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Vote: UncertainKitten

I'm going to find you scummy regardless, you'll be scum regardless, so let's just skip all the bullshit, shall we?

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This is shaping up to a great game already.
And if we can keep it rolling with town people all the way to UK's lynch, good thing will happen.

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Vi, I want to keep my lynches pure and townie.
I was also playing with the idea of nameclaiming.

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@Vi: Have you ever read Umineko? It's a joke. Red truth must always be the truth etc. It's being said because UK and I have never been the same alignment in a game.

You're missing the point. Insert coin and try again.

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Doubt it. He sucks to much to be scum.

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So, yeah, my questions stand against Nacho.

I wanted to see the character's Fate chose from Cowboy Bebop to see if my favorites were there!

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Wow, I thought for sure I was going to be ignored.
UK, the reason that I'm thinking of some type of nameclaim is because of the bounty system. Making people claim when their bounty comes up means that one less scum is using a fakeclaim/we know when our bounty is on scum.
Nameclaim early would mean that scum either don't use fakeclaims and reveal their scummy ass characters, or during endgame when bounty of a certain character just doesn't come up, we might be able scum.

But like I said, I'm playing with the thought, not suggesting it.

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But how good can a power really be if it only takes one bounty to get it?

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This might be the first time I've ever gotten a town read on UK. Be back in a moment.

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Unvote, Vote: Vi

Also, since nobody else wants to bring it up, I will. Are we going to do anything at all with the bounties?

What was the point of bringing this up in the first place if you didn't have any ideas yourself? And if you're going to bring this up, then why the hell would you start stifling discussion about it as soon as it begins?

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Bounties - Right now I don't think there's any reason to deal with it, but later on it might be worth bringing up

This is what I was referring to. She brings up the concept of bounties, and then immediately says that there's no reason to talk about them now.

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Unvote, Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

Claim?

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LLD, why exactly didn't you attack me for my vote on you?

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I'll get it after my reread.
The game's just not as fun without you being pissed off :/

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EBWOP: To elaborate, what he's trying is to argue accepted claim practice is SOMEHOW rolefishing. Yeah. No.

There's a reason that asking for a claim after voting someone to L-1

shouldn't

be accepted claim practice.

U. vote count impending.

Cut by Bandwagoning Ho - Where is Nacho in this?

Nacho voted me? Sorry, I didn't notice that.

Uh.... I had a town read on Nacho... probably misguided town.

You noticed here, in your ISO #42. But you distinctly never demanded for me to present the case on you. You were too busy fighting with Seraphim... Is that the reason, perhaps?

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ITS MY BIRTHDAY GUYS

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I knew it was a trap.

One year old one year wiser I suppose /grin

*stops drunkmodding*

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Unvote, Vote: Jahudo

No.

So Vi we meet again. Wait a second, Vi... vi.. vicious !!!

Vote: Vi

This vote was made on page three, when people were climbing out of the RVS stage. Things were happening at that point and he could have commented on something, but he didn't. This is also the vote that he keeps UNTIL PAGE 12.

And I agree that Sera's speculation looks uncharacteristic, but I don't see how its suspicious.

Maybe Sera knows some inside information.

I think his talking looks innocent right now, not malicious or opportunistic in any way.

Why would you ever bring up something like the bolded up?

His blurbs on everyone on his list is also too similar for my liking.

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My reasons for voting Bandwagon Ho! was more of a reaction test than anything. I'm surprised you didn't notice that her ISO #23 and my ISO #11 were exactly the same, UK... But anyways, I was expecting one of three things to occur: 1) BH gets pissed at the vote on her and refuses to claim. 2) BH says my vote is completely justified, claims. 3) BH gets pissed at the vote on her and tells me to come back when I have a case. I was not at all, however, expecting for my L-1 vote to be so flippantly ignored, but it's given me a strong town read at this point. I seriously doubt any scum under L-2 pressure would just ignore just a baseless and shitty L-1 vote, and instead continue pursuing the lynch on their target. Reckless tunneling like that is more town-like than anything.

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<3 CES town

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Explain your reasons behind your votes on Toasty and Seraphim.

Bandwagonning ho!

P.S. Claims of my Jackishness have been greatly exaggerated.

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Hey Nacho, does CES' response to your Jahudo vote change anything about your opinion?

No. It does change my mind about my case.

Sera, Toasty is just today's bounty, he's not actually scum.

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have a bad habit of my fingers not always doing the same thing my brain is thinking while I'm typing.

If anyone needs me to, I'll go dig up a recent game where I did the exact same thing.

Why did you need to tag on the bolded?

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Vi, I'm very interested in Rhinox.

Especially his comments about how he has a town read on both Seraphim and I.....

As for your comments, and I not allowed to have a town read on GreyICE?

As for the secrecy, it's not so much secrecy as it is speculation that will be shot down and scoffed at due to lack of hard evidence.

I think you and Seraphim are town, too.
Does that make me interesting too?

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Okay, now this is just going overboard.

LLD, why do you think GreyICE is town? What in the interactions between him and Seraphim make you believe they aren't scum together?

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This post needs to be explained, or the psychotunneling will commence.

I found Toasty to be scummiest when we were discussing bounties. After that time passed, I saw a significant improvement in his play.

I will not remove my vote from you today, and my vote will go on you again tomorrow unless significant evidence points elsewhere

I don't like this. You post it like you don't have the intention of getting GI lynched.

Nacho, are you actually interested in anyone as scum?

Yes. The only one I'm truly interested in right now is Jahudo, and he'll be getting lynched today. I'm just waiting for him to make a couple more #455s before the games begin.

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Ordering is roughly correct, but I didn't put a lot of thought into it.

Explain what you were trying to say with this.

]Pretty big talk.
There's no sense in waiting now - go ahead, say what you have.

If there wasn't sense in waiting, then I wouldn't be doing it.

I don't follow.

Read the quote again.

Vi, do those questions you asked me have a purpose?

GreyICE and Toasty are making this game a pain in the ass to read.

Please don't say things like this.

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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2877263

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You are Antitown, aren't you?

Ohohohoho.

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GOD DAMNIT GREY ICE I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO CLAIM

NOW WAS MY BIG MOMENT. IT WAS MY BIG MOMENT.
AND YOU RUINED IT, YOU RUINED IT.

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In addition, you all should get the fuck off of Icey now.
LLD, please don't interrupt my following posting unless it's the following:

Code: Select all

[b]Unvote[/b]

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...and now UK interupts me.
Sweet.

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No, UK. This is not a useless post. It's an announcement that your world is about to fucking break open. Just like Fate's world broke open when I took the first two posts of this page.

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First order of business:
Seraphim versus LLD.

LLD is bleedingly town. Town to the extent that everytime I see a vote for her, I die a little inside. I know this from my reaction post. Now, it seems a lot of you missed it, but look at LLD's votepost and my votepost quoted side by side.

Vote: Seraphim

Claim?

Unvote, Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

Claim?

Now, when pulling a vote like that, I expected several things to happen.
1 (scum): Attack me for rolefishing. This was an unlikely reaction, but it would guarantee her to be scum and would demonstrate that she forgot she made that post in the first place, and thus she would get instant death.
2 (scum): Refuse to attack me completely. Scum, seeing a vote so blatantly transcribed from theirs, would naturally want to avoid any hypocrisy whatsoever. So, she would probably claim and go through all the motions etc.
3 (town): A good middle ground. Refuse to claim, attack me for not making a case. Perfect marks, and I'd have a good town read on her.

What she actually did at first confused the hell out of me. Instead of doing any of the above, she literally completely ignores my post. And when informed someone votes her, she goes "yeah, whatever" then continues acting Seraphim. This is a townie so completely absorbed in their tunnel that they don't give a fuck about anything else in the world, including survival. Any sort of scum know what the post that put them at L-1 looked like. Everyone. ESPECIALLY if they've locked themselves into a 1 versus 1; they're checking which townies are leaning which way and trying to figure out how to squirm out of it if they're getting a lot of attention. LLD's done none of this, and thus she's my strongest townread.

Next, Seraphim.
Of the two, Seraphim comes out looking considerably less townie. He only picks up on the LLD lynch after she wagons him, then ends up dropping the vote as soon as he can. In particular, his #30 and #33 seemed a lot like scum squirming around and trying to get out of the lynch. I also seriously don't believe that townSeraphim would say "guys I have role-related info pertaining to flavor" that early in the game; it would've made more sense for him to hold onto it until claims actually started bouncing around so he could pin scum to the wall. The incessant promises of content while posting in his damn song threads peeve me a bit, but strangely enough, they're giving me a tiny counterbalance to the scum I've seen in him so far. When I played scum with him, he didn't make promises he couldn't keep, he just lurked. The whole "hey guys, I'll make a big post, I promise" seems like the townie wanting to make a good post but not having the sheer willpower to do so (which is a feeling I am unfortunately familiar with). Overall, he still leans town.

tl;dr LLD is super town, Seraphim is normal town.
LLD is too badass to be scum.
Seraphim is being classic lazy.

Also,

UK DID YOU REALLY HAVE TO INTERRUPT ME WITH THAT TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE? REALLY?
IS THAT NOT A USELESS POST TO YOU?

Ascetics -Fate

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UK DID YOU REALLY HAVE TO INTERRUPT ME WITH THAT TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE? REALLY?
IS THAT NOT A USELESS POST TO YOU

Mod, could you move this to the bottom?
The ninjas screwed my beautiful post up

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Yes. The only one I'm truly interested in right now is Jahudo, and he'll be getting lynched today. I'm just waiting for him to make a couple more #455s before the games begin.

>.>

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Good luck with that. The amazing part is how you outline specific ways Seraphim is terrible and somehow get a town read from it. It's ridiculous.

Kind of like how you outline specific ways that GreyICE is scummy and somehow get a townread from him?
And how I'm sure I could outline the scummy shit you've done (you know I can) and I somehow get a townread from you?

Mafia is not black and white.
It doesn't matter how many scumtells somebody's dropped, they can do one townie thing and send all the bad away.
And Seraphim's excuse game is that one townie thing for me.

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Next, GreyICE and Toasty.

GreyICE is town because he claimed no bounty bonus for lynching. That's all anyone should need. Maybe scum had straight up fakeclaims, maybe they inferred that bountybonusless townies existed because some scum had bounty bonuses, etc. etc., but scum still wouldn't have claimed bountyless. Above all, they wouldn't know for sure, and that would be a unnecessary risk. In addition, the bounty bonus would strengthen his fakeclaim like none other, and would allow him to squirm out of doing anything (I COULD be a great and useful townie, I'm just not one yet).

Toasty is bounty, leaning null.
I'm refusing to give a non-bounty read on Toasty at this point. I strongly believe he is the bounty because of his setup speculation ("I think all the main characters are scum, meaning that this character here is likely town thanks to the fact that he is a rival bounty hunter"), the requiring mislynches fiasco (subconsciously confirming the bounty for the day as town), and among a few other things.

Pedit:
Vi.
UK, GI, and I are all no-reward for bounty people. I fail to see how you haven't noticed.
UK is also obviously town based on play alone.
Please remove your vote.

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Oh, and Vi?
Just for you:

GREYICE IS TOWN

(sorry gotta troll it's my nature, you know)

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Thirdly, scumtells are dumb, scum intent is better,

Yes! Exactly!
And I'd argue that Seraphim has dropped a lot of scumtells, but is showing town intent.
The intent of promising because he wants to post good. He is a good enough player to know not to make promises he wouldn't keep, especially with this playerlist. He KNOWS it's better just to lurk like a bitch until you snag that motivation. I really wish I could explain it better, but...

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Vi hangs tomorrow

Can you put this in red? For me?

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LLD DONT YOU SAY THAT LIKE YOU KNEW ALL ALONG.
DON'T YOU DARE.

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LLD, I don't know what you're smoking, but I kind of like it.

In other news, I screwed around too much and don't have time to finish my epic multipost.
I blame it entirely on your ninja posts, LLD and UK.

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vote Seraphim or why he is connected to Rhinox

?

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CES & UT: The Special File

CES:
If CES was scum, there's no doubt that he would be playing the too scum to be scum angle. But if he were doing so, then there would be absolutely no reason to say what he said in ISO #2. If I was scum playing a CES game, and someone was trying to defend with me with meta, I would stay silent and continue the dance. If he and Vi were scum together as LLD has proposed, then he would be undermining his scumpartner's attempts to defend him for absolutely no reason. If he's town though, he's taking away an easy excuse to read him ("Oh, he's just another Jack") and forcing scum trying to snag towncred off their defence of him to think up of more creative ways.

Now, if he was scum just joining all the most popular wagons, there really wouldn't be any benefit. People think harder about wagons when there are blatantly scummy people on them. And while it does give him the excuse to vote wherever the hell he wants, CES is a good enough scum player where he could actually make his vote count for something and actually advance a mislynch. There is town intent to his play, however; I know because I tried a similar technique in ATHF mafia, where I did nothing but sheep Fate directly for the majority of the first day in order to strengthen all of the bandwagons he created and made his voice that much louder.


UT:
There's actually a key to reading UT.
ScumUT gives you the feeling that he's average, has a handle on the game, has some sort of direction.
TownUT doesn't let you know where the fuck he's going, seems to care more about snark than anything else, usually stuck in perpetual catchup.

This is town UT.

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I promised glory on Jahudo.
And glory will come.
I'm just leaving the best for last so I have motivation to get all of the other stuff out.

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Vi, I'm extremely surprised that you're not commenting on some of Jahudo's recent posts, especially if you hold that belief.
One more post before glory.

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goddammit you're just prolonging greatness.
I still think Seraphim is town, and strongly so.

Grey, do you have confirmation that:
All scum are Red Dragon Clan
OR
All Red Dragon Clan are scum?

There's a very large difference here.

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The puzzle pieces are falling in place... a picture is forming...

Kdub, UK, and Antitown are are fairly strong town reads.
I don't understand why Seraphim never commented on nameclaim...
Or waited for everyone to respond to his claim...

ToastyToasty is now a probscum read thanks to the not-bounty claim. Him claiming not-bounty offsets that, but not by much.

I am going to party. I will be back tonight.

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Gren being miller makes no sense, considering the theme. No sense whatsoever.
Julia being a miller that can hide if bountied... Also makes no sense whatsoever.

I doubt either claimants are Vicious, though.
And I wonder why the two would make things so obvious...

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Unvote, Vote: Vi

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Toasty what are you talking about with the lyncher comment?

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UK, LLD, what are you expecting Seraphim to flip?

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Toasty, who is your scumread on the Seraphim wagon right now?

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UK, the same question to you.

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Toasty, who is your scumread on the Seraphim wagon right now?

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HEY LOOK WHO WAS RIGHT ABOUT JAHUDO-SCUM.
SERAPHIM PLEASE SAVE HIM FOR ME AND SHOOT VI.
IN THE HONOR OF THE PAST WE'VE HAD TOGETHER. AND A BIG FUCK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO LYNCHED YOU.
PLEASE.
(yeah you most likely don't have a shot do you )

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The truth that Jahudo is scum?
Yeah, that one.

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I wish that would happen, but it most likely want.

Just make me a promise that you will tunnel the hell out of Jahudo tomorrow if I die tonight.
Trust me: I saw his scuminess in the stars.
And the stars are never wrong.

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Jahudo, just tell your scumbuddies not to kill me tonight and all that waiting will come to an end.

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TOASTY

ANTITOWN
VI
JAHUDO

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Kitty, why would Seraphim AS SCUM claim Vicious-lyncher if he wasn't Vicious himself?
If your reasoning for that sucks, why would he claim the "I remain after Vicious is lynched" clause if he was Vicious?

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Rhinox, I confirmed with my role name and my role, so that theory's debunked.