Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, I'll also note that things that confirm someone as town aren't necessarily masonries.

[Nachomamma8]

Next, GreyICE and Toasty.

GreyICE is town because he claimed no bounty bonus for lynching. That's all anyone should need. Maybe scum had straight up fakeclaims, maybe they inferred that bountybonusless townies existed because some scum had bounty bonuses, etc. etc., but scum still wouldn't have claimed bountyless. Above all, they wouldn't know for sure, and that would be a unnecessary risk. In addition, the bounty bonus would strengthen his fakeclaim like none other, and would allow him to squirm out of doing anything (I COULD be a great and useful townie, I'm just not one yet).

Toasty is bounty, leaning null.
I'm refusing to give a non-bounty read on Toasty at this point. I strongly believe he is the bounty because of his setup speculation ("I think all the main characters are scum, meaning that this character here is likely town thanks to the fact that he is a rival bounty hunter"), the requiring mislynches fiasco (subconsciously confirming the bounty for the day as town), and among a few other things.

Pedit:
Vi.
UK, GI, and I are all no-reward for bounty people. I fail to see how you haven't noticed.
UK is also obviously town based on play alone.
Please remove your vote.

[Nachomamma8]

Oh, and Vi?
Just for you:

GREYICE IS TOWN

(sorry gotta troll it's my nature, you know)

[Nachomamma8]

Thirdly, scumtells are dumb, scum intent is better,

Yes! Exactly!
And I'd argue that Seraphim has dropped a lot of scumtells, but is showing town intent.
The intent of promising because he wants to post good. He is a good enough player to know not to make promises he wouldn't keep, especially with this playerlist. He KNOWS it's better just to lurk like a bitch until you snag that motivation. I really wish I could explain it better, but...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nope.jpg

I've had enough of this.

Seraphim hangs today.

Vi hangs tomorrow

[GreyICE]

I disagree. While we've both been there, I don't think it's a universal thing.

Secondly, it is pretty much absolutely nothing GI

did

that makes him town. It's something I have, obviously.

Thirdly, scumtells are dumb, scum intent is better, and Seraph and GI were leaking it. Clearly I was wrong on GI. I refuse to believe I'm wrong on Seraph.

Want a trip down memory lane? CooLDoG, HavingFitz, AND Katsuki?

Hell, all the signs that they'd flip green were there. No counterwagons, no pushes, everyone ambling along to their death. CD got out of it by having a confirmable power, Fitz got out of it by eating the power, and Katsuki was a dumb lynch. I might play bad as scum, but hell, I know we were playing to the signs.

Leave the tunnel and wake up. We're being nudged into lynches on town. If HavingFitz was town, Seraphim is 10x better than that.

[UncertainKitten]

LLD: I'm beginning to be inclined to agree with you. It is manifestly obvious that I'm either scum or I have specific information confirming GI. This means that Vi should be voting ME, not GI.

The persistence on GI implies she wants that mislynch badly.

Nacho: No, I know exactly what you mean. It's hard to be motivated to do a full read and you tend to lurk leading up to it. It's just...I feel Seraph has shown a lot of scum intent. Carelessness in who he wants dead, generally bad cases that look decent on the surface and out of context, snark because ~*~obviously~*~ scum don't react anything less than seriously, that sort of thing.

@GI: I actually had a strong feeling Kats was town. HF is a fair point. I was probably more frustrated with CD than necessarily suspecting him.

And you know what's interesting about Seraphim's wagon that none of those names you mentioned have? Seraphim's wagon had a counter wagon. Yours. Further, the wagon was allowed to stagnate. That implies scum were AVOIDING pushing it. I see the signs, and they don't say Sera town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vi has been scum for a while now....

I'll give you a case when I'm not on my phone, but do some Pre-case reading of your own. Have it fresh in your mind so when my case is posted, you have an idea of context and can better analyze it.

[Nachomamma8]

Vi hangs tomorrow

Can you put this in red? For me?

[Nachomamma8]

LLD DONT YOU SAY THAT LIKE YOU KNEW ALL ALONG.
DON'T YOU DARE.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, for me, Vi town only made sense with GI scum. That condition no longer exists. I can accept Vi scum, though a case detailing specifically why is not unwelcome.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD DONT YOU SAY THAT LIKE YOU KNEW ALL ALONG.
DON'T YOU DARE.

How many pages have I been claiming a theory that required a flip?

How many?

Seraphim is the flip that puts the nail in Vi's coffin.

Vi hangs tomorrow.

[UncertainKitten]

Wait. Weren't you saying Vi scum DIDN'T make sense with Seraphim scum!?

[UncertainKitten]

RIGHT ZOGGIN' HERE!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait. Weren't you saying Vi scum DIDN'T make sense with Seraphim scum!?

Yes Ma'am.

One of then is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am so certain of this fact, that I am willing to have Seraphim swing (because he could still be scum...) to catch a Vi scum.

[GreyICE]

Dude.

I have an investigate.

I can catch all sorts of scum.

Or they can shoot me.

That'll leave many candidates.

[UncertainKitten]

Ah, I understand now. Not sure I like it.

[Vi]

That's nice Vi. Amazing how confirmation bias works, isn't it?

I'll acknowledge there's at least one "con" involved.~

GreyICE is town because he claimed no bounty bonus for lynching. That's all anyone should need. Maybe scum had straight up fakeclaims, maybe they inferred that bountybonusless townies existed because some scum had bounty bonuses, etc. etc., but scum still wouldn't have claimed bountyless. Above all, they wouldn't know for sure, and that would be a unnecessary risk.

I'm not understanding you here.

UK, GI, and I are all no-reward for bounty people. I fail to see how you haven't noticed.

Or here. (Yes, I have a bounty reward)

LLD: I'm beginning to be inclined to agree with you. It is manifestly obvious that I'm either scum or I have specific information confirming GI. This means that Vi should be voting ME, not GI.

The persistence on GI implies she wants that mislynch badly.

It is indeed manifestly obvious, and it goes the other way as well.

I have no idea how I'm supposed to respond to what's being said right now, so etc.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I object.

You have a role specific investigate.

No where does it claim that role is scum.

P-Edit: like it or not UK, this is the fact. One of Vi and Seraphim is scum. Vi scum is confirmed by Seraphim town. Vi town does not confirm Seraphim scum. Therefor, Seraphim can be scum regardless if Vi, and is a better lynch anyway.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, I'm just not sure it's only one of them being scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, I'm just not sure it's only one of them being scum.

Note that Seraphim scum does not exclude Vi scum anymore.

I downgraded that read.

Which is why Seraphim swigs first, then Vi.

[Vi]

You have a role specific investigate.

No where does it claim that role is scum.

I'm pretty sure the Red Dragon Clan is scum.

P-Edit: like it or not UK, this is the fact. One of Vi and Seraphim is scum. Vi scum is confirmed by Seraphim town. Vi town does not confirm Seraphim scum. Therefor, Seraphim can be scum regardless if Vi, and is a better lynch anyway.

Can I even get a tl;dr of this one?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

snark because ~*~obviously~*~ scum don't react anything less than seriously

Whoever elevated snark to a scum tell should be burnt at the stake.

I will not be reading Lady µß's posts from now on.

[UncertainKitten]

OK. That's more acceptable.

@CES: It's not a scum tell, it's the intent behind it. There's town snark and scum snark. Seraph's was scummy.