LLD 654 wrote:Hey look Vi! I can falsely discredit people with a passive aggressive playstyle too!
I stand by what I said. You've provided a lot of talk about who's not/scum with whom, and your reasoning is not there.
If it was there, you would have posted it by now.
Your statements about me vs. GreyICE aren't true. You'll notice in the post immediately prior to the GreyICE vote (#13) that I
did
lay out reasons why he was my top suspect, as well as why I didn't vote him immediately. I went ahead and voted him in the next post because he told me to do so with style~ which is why if you were only looking at that post, yes, you wouldn't have seen it.
The case looked something like this:
1) His case on me was based on things that were simply not true whatsoever, i.e. wanting an LLD lynch SO BAD. His Rhinox vote was the same.
2) The contradiction in intent I quoted in post #13, which I will quote again because you didn't read it the first time--
Nachomamma8 wrote:Vi wrote:Bounties - Right now I don't think there's any reason to deal with it, but later on it might be worth bringing up
This is what I was referring to. She brings up the concept of bounties, and then immediately says that there's no reason to talk about them now.
Hmmmmmmmm.
Done that one as scum when I know something is bad for the town, but want someone else to take the fall.
Vi:
What do you think about the idea of having the bounty named in Fate's post claim, then deciding who our collective strongest town reads are and having them lynch the bounty to see what falls off that wagon? We have to do this day 1, period, because the scum:town ratio will almost certainly never be lower.
LLD:
*huggles*
'kay, no, seriously, some bounties can be achieved with as little as one lynch. If this mechanic benefits town, then it is likely to benefit the most on day 1. Are scum power roles more damaging than town?
Notice that immediately after saying I was scummy for introducing the bounty talk, he asks me about that very thing and encourages others to talk about it as well. My response:
Vi #4 wrote:GreyICE - The first thing we'd need is a bunch of Town reads, so for the time being I'm going to put a "no" on that plan. There's also the issue of whether the bounty is likely to be scum, so etc.
GreyICE didn't bring it up again because he was too busy swatting Seraphim.
3) Sketchy rhetoric during the Seraphim wagon, which would have only looked sketchy until it inflated to rhetoric that Townies simply don't have reason to say.
Vi #18 wrote:GreyICE #17 wrote:Huh.
Fair enough.
Hope there's a reason for what you're doing.
GreyICE #18 wrote:Finish better have fucking fireworks and a brass band, is what I'm saying.
GreyICE #20 wrote:Those questions weren't lazy, I was getting somewhere. And where I was getting is what to think of Vi based on Seraphim and LLD's alignments. And if LLD is town and Seraphim is scum, which is what I believe, then Vi?
Doesn't look good.
What the hell are you trying to convey here?
"Y'know, if you don't play my game, I'm going to put you on my
bad list
."
If you think I'm scum, you don't say "I'd watch out, I might find you scummy if you keep this up".
That's not how suspicion works.
That IS, however, what you do to put up bad-play lynches.
Next time, consider skimming less.
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Toast: I still don't see someone who thinks GreyICE is scum saying--
Toast #32 wrote:GAWDAMMIT WHY'D YOU HAVE TO SEEM SO SCUM GREYICE?!
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GreyICE is correct. My Role PM heavily implies "Red Dragon Clan" and "Mafia" are interchangeable. And I don't think he's claiming Miller.
It doesn't make sense for this to be a Town gambit because if it were, its goal would apparently be to discredit GreyICE in spite of not seeing him as scum.
Seraphim 626 wrote:I'm probably going to unvote GreyICE(sad that there's no point in making a giant post but I guess that's just the backlash for my procrastinating) but I want to play Devil's Advocate.
GreyICE: why are you so sure that the scum is the Red Dragon clan?
On the other hand, it DOES make sense as a Refuge in Audacity claim.
Unvote: ToastyToast
Vote: Seraphim
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