Open 284: Tit for Tat (Over)

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Vote: AurorusVox

Confess.

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did anyone notice that aurorusvox claimed scum?

I saw it. We should lynch that sucker on page 2.

Call me CS damnit!

I really hate Con, that abb's lame.

I will call you Istanbul.

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AurorusVox + silverbullet + aaah400 is the scum group. Calling it now.

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Or he was actually toying with the idea of a no lynch due to the fact the game starts with 13 players instead of 12 (I was half expecting him to defend his choice with this) and wanted to see if the idea took.

No lynch is worse with 13p than with 12p.

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Do you mean the classic newbie "random" distancing vote? And you ignored don_j's comment. IT FITS.

P.S. if I were a dayvig, I'd've killed you by now for misspelling "you" (and being scum).

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CONFESS.

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So what page do we have to be on before you'll confess to being scums?

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fos: ces

seems to me you are sounding nervous. and so early in the game to suspect mafia. and you sounded confident with your words but not now. you sound nervous

I do not. Sounds like you're projecting.

Unvote, vote: aaah400

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Everyone not voting should either do so or explain why they're not. I still believe in the page 3 scum lynch.

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AV-DH discussion is boring and is distracting us from lynching aaaah400.

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Well, I just think the reason people are jumping on you is because your language use is a little sloppy. I don't mean to criticize; I'm just stating this as a fact.

I am going after him over the content of his posts: that he projected his own nervousness onto my posts and his weaksauce voteless suspicion of me.

Pro-tip: page 3 is an excellent time to bus, RC.

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Obviously being active is a scum tell.

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Everyone not voting should either do so or explain why they're not. I still believe in the page 3 scum lynch.

Just noting that everyone was already voting at that point. Sloppy.

Well, this explains why no one responded - I meant to write "Everyone not voting aaaah400".

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-After his early game posting binge, CES has failed to barely mentioned anyone but aaaah. He should really do that.

Bzzt. Wrong. The correct solution is for a aaahlynch to take place, thereby making all my posts incredibly relevant.

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No, no, AV is right here. That's not circular logic. He talked about what scum in general tend to do (compared to town, of course), then concluded that Istanbul was more likely to be scum since he exhibited that behaviour. Perfectly valid inference.

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Seems to me your rushing the game here.

Seems to me like I'm trying to get scum lynched.

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Looks fine to me.

DH is involved in yet another boring back-and-forth.

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I have "Kitty" in my username. Do I really seem male? :s

I didn't realise you weren't until a few days ago.

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I re-read the game and I think we should lynch aaah400.

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I may have skipped the silver-DH back and forth in my re-read. The first one wasn't interesting in the slightest. Honestly, I'd think there would be more to talk about if you hadn't had these long boring back-and-forths about irrelevant issues.

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If I were tunneling, I wouldn't've gone for a re-read.

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It was a pointless question; I don't think that's significant.

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Oh so im on L-1, I claim my self to be Vanilla townie

Time to lynch!

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Absolutely tunneling with no logic behind it. No other comments except on the person who is an easy lynch, scum or town. This is not townie scumhunting; this is scummy tunneling.

Are you always wrong?

Aaah400 is clearly nervous scum.

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Nope. Although there are indeed certain advantages for me to do so Today, if you do flip town, I wouldn't agree to my lynch Tomorrow since that would be playing against my win condition. I'm not going to lie about that either.

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I can't help it if I caught scum early, DH. I might've had more to say if more interesting things had happened.

im calling CES scum 100%

vote CES

Do you disagree with the logic put forth in #291?

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I can't help it if I caught scum early, DH. I might've had more to say if more interesting things had happened.

im calling CES scum 100%

vote CES

Do you disagree with the logic put forth in #291?

You do realize that my read on you doesn't stem from whether or not aaah is scum, but rather at your complete lack of doing anything BUT trying to get aaah lynched since you latched onto your suspicion of him?

Obviously. I think that quote implicitly acknowledges it too.

CES - I want your stance on the Uite-wagon, SV-wagon and the CS-wagon

Uite is slightly townish; SV is town; the case on you is thoroughly unconvincing, but you're still null.

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Oh Gawd. It is impossible to get you doing something.
What do you think on the votes of all wagons? Have you had anything of the cases that is very good/bad?

Conciseness is pro-town. Most things that happen don't meet my standards for notability. If there's something specific you want me to comment on, feel free to quote it. I'm not going to engage in this type of pointless exercise.

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@CES, so called logic is a fail. I think it just made yourself want to lynch you more and more. If your so certain that im scum, u shouldve put your life on the line. I mightve if I think that person is 100% scum, then i would probably put my self on the line as well. I doubt that u will flip town.

See, you're just ignoring my post. The problem is that while I might be willing to risk my life now, I know that if you flip town, then come Tomorrow I have no motivation to cooperate with my own lynch; in fact, I have an ethical obligation to fight it. And I'm not going to promise something if I have no intention of making good on that promise.

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At last, his bad CES vote can be added.

How is it bad? It strikes me more as a newbish?

Yo people. I can give up my life and hammer myself if u guys think im mafia, if i flip town, then i would suggest to go for SV or DJ please.

Just fyi, that doesn't work.

i think he is just noob player

Do elaborate. Do you think I'm a newbie because I've thought about the ethical implications of that type of self-voting proposal?

I don't understand where you're coming from at all. Seriously. I get the complete opposite vibe.

Calling other people nervous, claiming at "L-1"; doesn't that strike you indicative of aaah being nervous?

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Could you try engaging with my posts?

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and of course u vote me straight away because i FOSed u for asking random questions which i did find suspicious.

You FoSed me because I was "nervous". I voted you because the simplest explanation for you thinking that I was nervous was that you were nervous. Do you still think my early posts show signs of me being nervous? Were you nervous?

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I ask 2 questions and you only answer the easy one. Why?

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That's not an answer.

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I don't see what you claim to see, silverbullet.

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Modkill was indeed terrible. There's no reason to ban spoiler tags.

Vote: aaah400

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Anyway, the important thing is that the vig is made aware of this. There's not much else to do about it.

P.S. we should lynch aaah.

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u only say lets lynch aaah.

I'll stop saying it Tomorrow (hopefully).

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Vote: Hohum

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Don't care. We're lynching Hohum. No-lynching is only worth it if it has a chance of affecting the lynch - otherwise it's a waste of time.

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That's the worst fucking logic I've ever heard and probably the scummiest thing I've ever come across in mafia.

Then you have apparently only read that one post.

Anyone with half a brain should see that Hohum is the right lynch here. Thus, there is no benefit to no-lynching today as opposed to tomorrow. So we lynch today and maybe we give a doc a chance to give us an extra lynch. Pure profit.

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I really shouldn't forget I'm playing an Open.

Regardless, why don't you go ahead and explain how a no-lynch Today is useful given that we're lynching Hohum?

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^makes a good point.

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You're just spouting generalities. Do you really believe there is a >1/18 chance that Hohum won't be lynched? (1/18 being the odds that he's the jailer assuming that he's scum times the odds that the back-up prevents the kill Tonight assuming random jailkeep)

How is it a bad thing, considering that if we lynch wrong, we lose?

Odds of us winning are negligible if Hohum is town.

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No lynching gives us flip information.

WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION AT SOME POINT. There's no point in getting it now since it

won't

help with the lynch

since we're lynching hohum

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By the way, forget that there's even a jailkeeper in this game. That's a fuckload of useless WIFOM.

An extra lynch is the furthest thing from useless WIFOM!

So what is wrong with obtaining all available information?

Because the extra information is completely useless to us currently.

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Regardless of who dies, I WILL be voting Hohum tomorrow. The information will be utterly meaningless tomorrow. Hell yes, I prefer keeping the jailkeeper scenario a possibility.

Engage with the situation, dammit. You're stuck in trite generalities.

Yes. It would solidify their reads.

This doesn't even mean anything.

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Hohum's only post since Thursday was to report that his laptop had gone kaput Reference, so that's meaningless.

CES: If someone flips town, you know that they were at least being genuine and we could at least grasp something from their reads, that was my point.

So it's another pointless generality. Got it.

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It helps if you've seen the laptop post as I had.

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We don't need him to post to lynch him.

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Man up.

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Well, look at that. Turns out I was right about rushing into the hohum lynch.

Nope. I would've voted hohum tomorrow and we'd still have lost. No lynch was the wrong move.

I'm angry at this game. Town's apathy and carelessness did them in.

I'm fairly sure the town lost because we only got one proper lynch.

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Blahblahblah. No-lynch wouldn't have changed anything; there are certainly situations where it can change things, but this clearly wasn't one of them. No-lynch would've been a dumb move.

SV got quicklynched by aaaah, DH. That has nothing to do with the game.