Open 284: Tit for Tat (Over)

[DemonHybrid]

Rephrasing this part: "Then why didn't you say that in the first place? Hence why I'm voting you."

to: "Why did you bring up the quoted post in the first place?"

because I'm hopped up on energy drinks like a boss.

[DeathRowKitty]

DH, you're tunneling. There's no circular logic in that post.

[AurorusVox]

No I don't see your thought process.

-That quoted post, my sound logic, was to explain to you why I found his no vote scummy. You said that there was my logic was wrong, i.e. that there was no scum motivation behind voting for no one. I showed you that there was.

-Of course I had a null read on him before he voted no one. His vote was in his first post. How am I supposed to read him before he's posted anything?

-HOW does it assume that he was scum before he no voted? Please explain this. It assumes that "no lynch" RVS votes are scummy, yes. Therefore when he voted for no lynch, I found him scummy. You're getting context, cause and effect all mixed up.

Context: Voting for no one is scummy.
Cause: He voted no one.
Effect: Therefore I found him scummy.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm just confused as to why you guys don't seem to get this.

No.

With this logic, if you flip town, you'd shock me.

In fact, lets take a majority vote. Who here thought that ConSpiracy's NL vote was particularly scummy because he was trying to stop any and all voting analysis?

My logic is sound.

Scum know who is town and who is scum: Y/N
Scum do not therefore vote randomly: Y/N

The above assumes that he is scum. He is saying that ConSpiracy is scum and therefore knows who is town and who is scum and therefore can make a conscious decision to No Lynch vote and confuse the rest of he players.

A vote for no one prevents a vote on a someone: Y/N
A vote for no one prevents connections between the voter and a someone: Y/N

The above explains his No Lynch vote and applies it to the fact that he is already scum. Before this, he said that he has -scum motivation- in his No Lynch vote, but he never came right out and explicitly stated that he is scum.

4 Yesses = A vote on no one circumvents scum's predicament of not being able to randomly vote

Assumes that 4 yesses is the right way to go and that his logic above is true.

That red part is what I'm voting you for. How can you assume that he IS scum and that his move didn't just have scum motivation, and more importantly, why can't ANYONE see this?

[DemonHybrid]

Context: Voting for no one is scummy.
Cause: He voted no one.
Effect: Therefore I found him scummy.

Also, I get this point, but read my newer post. I'm not voting you because you're saying this, and I wouldn't be voting you if you said only this.

It's ironic that you're saying I'm getting cause and effect mixed up, because you added in a WHOLE new cause without either knowing it, or while slipping it, assuming you are scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

No, no, AV is right here. That's not circular logic. He talked about what scum in general tend to do (compared to town, of course), then concluded that Istanbul was more likely to be scum since he exhibited that behaviour. Perfectly valid inference.

[DemonHybrid]

Meh. If it's an in general thing, then I suppose it's just supplementary.

Unvote

[AurorusVox]

Meh. If it's an in general thing, then I suppose it's just supplementary.

Unvote

That's why I made sure to say "Scum" and not explicitly "CS" in my logical explanation post ._."

[DemonHybrid]

Aye, I gotchya.

Trust me, I'm not like 99% of Mafiascum; I know when I'm wrong.

Antihero:

Top 3 scumreads, please.

What do you think of the AV/DH exchange?
What do you think of aaah and the heat on him? Please be specific on your thoughts of others' arguments against him.
What do you think of ConSpiracy?
Has anyone "scumslipped" in their play so far? If so, how?

And please explain your last post in greater detail. How did Shattered reverse his read and why is silverbullet scum to you?

[silverbullet999]

-Kitty!

you win.

YAY!

*turns off music*

Boo!

As for your replies... it's the lazy man's excuse if you get my meaning.. I'll buy it though.. for now!
UNVOTE:

-The Hybrid Of A Demon!

Trust me, I'm not like 99% of Mafiascum; I know when I'm wrong.

I'm in that 1 percent too! I know when I'm wrong! (Though I'm never wrong here... but that's besides the point!)

[aaah400]

AV-DH discussion is boring and is distracting us from lynching aaaah400.

Seems to me your rushing the game here.

Hi. Still hapy wih my vote. You guys should vote Aaaah. It's good for the soul.

Because?

Because of all the reasons I've said that you have yet to answer, maybe?

Show me what i need to answer?

and since my SV vote isn't doing anything:

Unvote Shattered Viewpoint; Vote aaah400

this is very suspicious now. Sudden vote change as im becoming an easy target. yes i see

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Seems to me your rushing the game here.

Seems to me like I'm trying to get scum lynched.

[jmj3000]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

aaah400

- 5 - Cogito Ergo Sum, AurorusVox, Shattered Viewpoint, ConSpiracy, mothrax - (L-2)

AurorusVox

- 1 - Antihero - (L-6)

ConSpiracy

- 4 - Uite, RedCoyote, DeathRowKitty, don_johnson - (L-3)

Players not voting: aaah400, DemonHybrid, silverbullet999

[AurorusVox]

@aaah; you've basically failed to say why you find me scummy three times now. Every time I prove that you don't have an argument, you just ignore my response and say something else that isn't right.

RE: CES' early scumlist that included us both, you said I deserved to be on there but you didn't. This is where my problem begins:

"Would you like to explain what you think the reason for me being on there is? Because when CES made that post - guess what - the only post I'd made was a vote, which at that time I hadn't explained was not random. SO, why is (what looked like) a random vote a good enough reason for me to be on there, but not for you? Hypocritical much?"

You then said I was scum because I was following CES in being suspicious of you, but:

"You said I was scum before I'd even mentioned being suspicious of you. Why did you think I was scum back then? You can't say it was because I'm "following" Cognito when I hadn't even mentioned you when you first called me scum."

You then tried to switch tracks again:

"So am I now scummy because I disagreed with your voting? Again, this isn't right. You said there was a reason for me to be considered scum before I'd even mentioned you."

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I want to know why you thought I was scum back when you first said it. I've kept asked you three times now to explain it, and each time, you've failed to do so.

[mothrax]

aaah, I changed from my random vote, which was the only vote I had cast six pages ago.

[mothrax]

In other words, you have tried to cast suspicion on multiple people several times with very weak cases.

[silverbullet999]

*Supports the ... (what's aaah's wagon called?)*

*Still wants details of the Istanbul wagon*

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I cannot detail my reason for aaah-vote as it's from an ongoing game. Just trust me on this one. I'll explain after, well, you know.

mothrax, for the love of mike, LRN2INTERNETBETTER (you're doing it wrong lol)

And sorry for having to be prodded; freak snowstorm left us without internet for about 36 hours. (And without power for 12.)

[Shattered Viewpoint]

And, on reflection, sorry about apologizing for a non-existent prod -- that was my

other

game.

[don_johnson]

dh: players who avoid the random vote phase are anti-town. drawing a vote is commonplace as is av's logic. drop it. and hop on the CS wagon. there's still time to even him up to aaaaaaahhhhhh....

[silverbullet999]

*being ignored saddens him so...*

VOTE: TheDON

[jmj3000]

aah has requested replacement. Starting the search now.

[silverbullet999]

replacement? But she didn't request replacement in my other game as of yet.... I sense evil motivations here...

[aaah400]

its just i have fell behind with this game too much and i cant keep up with alot of text as im very busy with school work and since i cannot go on my computer much during the week as i can mostly write on my phone, i cannot post a huge post in depth.

[aaah400]

well i can try by catching up. need to re read the whole game again