Open 284: Tit for Tat (Over)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote: Hohum

[DeathRowKitty]

VOTE: Hohum
It takes a brave soul to replace into this situation, so props to you. I am not sure why RC didn't vig you, but that is the only thing going for you at this point. Aaaah basically admitted in that twilight post that he knew that SV was town.

QFT

It's actually worse than that:

aaah400 - 5 - Cogito Ergo Sum, AurorusVox, Shattered Viewpoint,

Uite

, ConSpiracy - (L-2)

aaah400 - 4 - Cogito Ergo Sum, AurorusVox,

Uite

, Shattered Viewpoint - (L-2)

Nothing in any of Uite's day 2 posts even remotely show that he investigated someone else and he was gunning pretty hard for aaah in the short time day 2 was around. Sorry Hohum.

In the interests of not having another day of less than 24 hours, I'm withholding my vote until we've at least gotten something out of Hohum. It looks pretty cut-and-dry to me though.

[AurorusVox]

8 alive should mean 4 to lynch, so here's the L-1.

Vote: Hohum

DRK ninja'd what I was going to say about the VC.

[DeathRowKitty]

Wait, I just realized we're in mylo. Calm it with the votes here. On the off-chance aaah isn't scum and both of his voters are town, he's actually in quickhammer range right now.

And no, it's 5 to lynch, not 4.

[Riceballtail]

Yeah, I'm feeling Uite having a guilty on Aah is possible.

Abstaining a vote only due to speed of the day.

[AurorusVox]

Sorry guys

V/LA til Tuesday

[don_johnson]

AV and blenblen look scummy as hell.

[DeathRowKitty]

Agree on AV. Not sure I agree on BB.

[DemonHybrid]

Okay, I'm here and what the hell?

Catching up, Day 2 was a blur and I didn't know Day 3 started.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: No Lynch

It's MyLo.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Don't care. We're lynching Hohum. No-lynching is only worth it if it has a chance of affecting the lynch - otherwise it's a waste of time.

[DemonHybrid]

That's the worst fucking logic I've ever heard and probably the scummiest thing I've ever come across in mafia.

We'll no lynch and then I'm voting you, how's that sound?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That's the worst fucking logic I've ever heard and probably the scummiest thing I've ever come across in mafia.

Then you have apparently only read that one post.

Anyone with half a brain should see that Hohum is the right lynch here. Thus, there is no benefit to no-lynching today as opposed to tomorrow. So we lynch today and maybe we give a doc a chance to give us an extra lynch. Pure profit.

[DemonHybrid]

So we lynch today and maybe we

give a doc a chance to give us an extra lynch

. Pure profit.

/facepalm

Look at you, looking for that quicklynch.

To the rest of you: you guys need to agree to no lynch. Before I bust my head open by headdesking so hard.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I really shouldn't forget I'm playing an Open.

Regardless, why don't you go ahead and explain how a no-lynch Today is useful given that we're lynching Hohum?

[DeathRowKitty]

It actually benefits us slightly to lynch today. Considering there's really no reason to lynch anyone except Hohum, nolynching today as opposed to tomorrow offers no benefit. However, if Hohum happens to be jailkeeper, lynching him today gives us an extra night with a power role. We can no lynch tomorrow if you want, but there's no benefit in not lynching today.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

^makes a good point.

[DemonHybrid]

I really shouldn't forget I'm playing an Open.

Regardless, why don't you go ahead and explain how a no-lynch Today is useful given that we're lynching Hohum?

We can see a town flip and gain information from that. Narrow down the field, see if he really IS the right lynch.

How is it a bad thing, considering that if we lynch wrong, we lose?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're just spouting generalities. Do you really believe there is a >1/18 chance that Hohum won't be lynched? (1/18 being the odds that he's the jailer assuming that he's scum times the odds that the back-up prevents the kill Tonight assuming random jailkeep)

How is it a bad thing, considering that if we lynch wrong, we lose?

Odds of us winning are negligible if Hohum is town.

[DemonHybrid]

You're missing my point.

No lynching gives us flip information. Information helps us in the lynch decision.

So, again, how the hell is no lynching a bad thing?

[DemonHybrid]

By the way, forget that there's even a jailkeeper in this game. That's a fuckload of useless WIFOM.

We are in a state where if we LYNCH WRONG, we LOSE. So what is wrong with obtaining all available information?

[DeathRowKitty]

@DH
If you can think of someone don't say who, but can you think of any player in this game who, if they were to die tonight and flip town, it would change your opinion of whether or not Hohum is scum? (pretend the grammar in the previous sentence is correct)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

No lynching gives us flip information.

WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION AT SOME POINT. There's no point in getting it now since it

won't

help with the lynch

since we're lynching hohum

.

By the way, forget that there's even a jailkeeper in this game. That's a fuckload of useless WIFOM.

An extra lynch is the furthest thing from useless WIFOM!

So what is wrong with obtaining all available information?

Because the extra information is completely useless to us currently.

[DemonHybrid]

@DH
If you can think of someone don't say who, but can you think of any player in this game who, if they were to die tonight and flip town, it would change your opinion of whether or not Hohum is scum? (pretend the grammar in the previous sentence is correct)

Yes. It would solidify their reads.

No lynching gives us flip information.

1. WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION AT SOME POINT. There's no point in getting it now since it

won't

help with the lynch

since we're lynching hohum

.

By the way, forget that there's even a jailkeeper in this game. That's a fuckload of useless WIFOM.

2. An extra lynch is the furthest thing from useless WIFOM!

So what is wrong with obtaining all available information?

3. Because the extra information is completely useless to us currently.

1. But it's CONFIRMED extra information from a townie! The analysis can help us much more than a shot-in-the-dark switcharoo backup-JK save can do.
2. All of this JK speculation IS though. It's too useless and enticing for town to make a conscious decision and I'd rather take the extra information to ensure that we don't mislynch, or at least have a smaller chance of mislynching. Perhaps hohum is a good lynch. Right now, I feel like I can't make that conscious decision since we're in MyLo and not LyLo, and that keeps playing in the back of my mind.
3. So, you'd rather bank on the miniscule chance that hohum is a scum jailkeeper and get the slight chance that the backup JKer will make a successful save over extra FREE information?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Regardless of who dies, I WILL be voting Hohum tomorrow. The information will be utterly meaningless tomorrow. Hell yes, I prefer keeping the jailkeeper scenario a possibility.

Engage with the situation, dammit. You're stuck in trite generalities.

Yes. It would solidify their reads.

This doesn't even mean anything.