Mini 1,115: Ozy and Millie Mafia (Game over!)

[Parama]

1. Have you read Ozy and Millie? All the way through? When did you first read it? Last read it?

Started reading it about a month ago and finished it recently.

2. Buddhists vs. Stoics: who would win the imperturbability-off?

I have no clue.

3. Public or private school?

Oh yay. Both! Public through 8th grade, private high school.

vote: Zyrconium

For [REDACTED - ONGOING GAME]
You know why

Also, fair warning: I'm doing fun stuff and will post several puzzles throughout the game. I highly advise you don't bother trying to solve them. I'll reveal the solutions when the time is right.

The first of these puzzles will be in my next post. I will always isolate these puzzles so that they can be referenced by post number in later use.

Again, DO NOT BOTHER TRYING TO SOLVE THESE. You will not learn anything useful at the moment.

[Parama]

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[Parama]

@MOD: I explicitly checked the rules and there is nothing preventing this, but if this against the rules then please stop me now.

[Parama]

@MOD: I explicitly checked the rules and there is nothing preventing this, but if this against the rules then please stop me now.

They can't hide any game-relevant information. Other than that, I'm fine.

Kinda a little shaky on this one... do you want me to PM you the puzzle answers before I post them, just in case?

@Anti:

I'm smarter than that and actually read rules.

[Parama]

Change your avatar back to what it was.

What he said

Vote: werewolf555

Hypocrite.

[Parama]

oh hi chesskid.
oh my what is that post trying to say.

[Parama]

Packbat: You have 4 posts, more than anyone else in the thread (I think), yet nothing related to trying to find scum. I want your top suspicion plz kthx.
DLG: Why the double RVS? It's been a pretty consistent scumtell in the past, and your vote does nothing to add to any wagon, so...
Empking: Did you switch your RVS vote for pressure purposes or just for the sake of extending RVS? The post looks like the latter though the vote does the former, so...
Ghostlin: You're not new around here, so it's safe to assume you know that the point of RVS is to build a wagon for pressure... bandwagoning is the way to go. FWIW bandwagoning isn't a scumtell ever.

unvote, vote: DLG

for now. Best place for a legitimate vote atm. I'd vote werewolf for pressure, but from past experience he's probably going to spontaneously combust if we put too much pressure on him, and there's statistically a 10/13 chance we'll have blown a day by random lynching like that

[Parama]

that's called being social, but w/e

[Parama]

I didn't direct anything at you so I don't know what you're responding to, unless you're responding to the part about the werewolf self-destruct that's inevitable.

[Parama]

@Parama - Why havent you gone crazy trying to control the game yet? You scum?

Oh dear. I don't go crazy until the most obvious scum ever appears in-thread, and I haven't seen anything super-obvious scum yet. So let's pressure DLG or make werewolf have a breakdown.
Heck.

unvote, vote: werewolf

. Might as well get it over with. Looking at the VC... yeah.

[Parama]

Wonderful,

unvote, vote: Empking

<--- confirmed scum right there

Claim or die! Claim or die! Claim or die! Claim or die! Claim or die! Claim or die!

I didn't see any reason for him to claim.

Vote: No Lynch

- Let's play follow the cop.

Lol, voting NL. Fun times. I'll follow the cop when the cop has a guilty, but there's no reason to NL. EVER.

[Parama]

^This is truly a shame. Pack, why are you only unvoting now? You know that makes you confirmed scum once Emp flips scum.

[Parama]

SWNII had two cops and a backup cop.
Granted, one cop was a specific faction's cop, the other was a random cop, and the backup was for the random cop, but still... mod meta is a pretty lame excuse btw.
I wouldn't doubt for a second that all the scum have mod-provided fakeclaims, but that doesn't mean we should stop a lynch or push a lynch simply because of a claim.

[Parama]

I see no reason to lynch a claimed cop TODAY. I do see all the reason in the world to lynch you, however.

[Parama]

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[Parama]

I see no reason to lynch a claimed cop TODAY. I do see all the reason in the world to lynch you, however.

Why?

Reasons not to lynch cop:
Mafia either have to block or kill him tonight if he's town
If there's no scum roleblocker and a doctor, then congratulations, you just got a cop report
And since there's a 10/13 chance he's town (assuming 3 scum) then statistically it's best to leave him alive for tonight.
I mean there are less benefits if he's scum, though if he claims roleblocked and another person claims roleblocked and there's no town RB then we know someone's lying. And if he gives a fake report, well there's some WIFOM for us. I guess.

Reasons to lynch you have already been outlined and you acknowledged both in a recent post yet failed to argue against them so

[Parama]

No, I don't remember that game, since I didn't play in it, and one game is not exemplary of an overall site meta in the slightest.

[Parama]

and one game is not exemplary of an overall site meta in the slightest.

[Parama]

...and I have no clue what you're asking there, can you rephrase that?

[Parama]

well you are also probably scum is the issue. Have been debating voting him though.

Crap, you're scum aren't you.

Also, Anti is either scum or on V/LA, because he hasn't posted since the 25th (

Mod: prod plz

).

I was entertaining the notion that Emp and werewolf were scum together, but I really highly doubt that at this point. One or the other is scum, and I'd still place my bets on Emp. Issue is that if werewolf is scum then llama most certainly is scum as well.

I cannot propose a scumteam yet because, at this point, half the game has barely said anything.

Going alphabetically:
Antihero (needs prod)
bristep
Ghostlin (needs prod)
Jerbs
LynchMePls
Zyrconium

All need to post more actual content.

Note: that list made me look at LMP's ISO.

All I have to say...

GUYS. DROP EVERYTHING. WE HAVE BLATANTLY OBVIOUS SCUM IN THE ROOM.

unvote, vote: LynchMePls

There is no way in hell this guy is town.

Vote: Empking

OMFG, Empking has an avatar?

1. Just started when I signed up for this game. Started from the beginning and I haven't gotten very far.
2. Buddhists
3. Public

RVS vote.
...that he's still holding, without any explanation.

@wolf/LMP - Why not vote?

Cause I don't feel strongly about anything in this game so far.

Excuse to not scumhunt. He still doesn't feel strongly about anything according to his last post, and we have more than enough content to have all scum caught at this point.

Why on earth is werewolf at L-1?

*doesn't try to do anything to dissuade the wagon even though he doesn't agree with it*

Oh and, werewolf isn't exactly AT THE TOP of my scumlist today, but I don't mind the wagon because he's werewolf.

So this is a policy wagon?

*doesn't try to stop it*

PEdit: LyMP, do you feel anything about anything so far?

Ya, now that we have a cop claim, I'm pretty suspicious of it. Pretty sure "zOMG I'm the cop" is scum 101.

Oh, NOW that we have a cop claim... you think the person claiming is scum. Because of something I've never heard of before.
And, oh look. werewolf wasn't at L-1. Why didn't you vote?

What?

I voted werewolf not chess. What the fuck happened?

...This is SOOO bad. Unfortunately, I have up close and personal experience with Vezo TERRIBLENESS, so I don't know if it has anything to say about Vezo's alignment.

"I've found something scummy, but because IMO vezo is a terrible player it's excusable. Excuse me while I refrain from actually putting any effort into scumhunting."

No Lynch is needed in order to play follow the cop properly.

Presumably so as to provide no chance for scum to manipulate the investigative choice of the cop?

No. In order to keep the doc from being outted.

Trust me.

Hmmm...

HMMMMM indeed. Thanks for the filler post.

...and, sans an offtopic paragraph from one of his posts, this is all LMP has had to say thus far.
He's so obviously scum that it hurts. Why he hasn't been sent to the principal's office yet is beyond me.

For now... screw everything I said at the beginning of this post. There's no way LMP isn't going to be our lynch today. Because I haven't seen such obvious scum in a LONG time, and I want that obvious scum to FEEL MY WRATH!

[Parama]

@Anti: remind me again why bristep is scum? He's an incredibly solid null, and leaning town with that last post.

[Parama]

For starters, there are multiple characters with the last name Llewellyn
For seconds, lolscumgivingup

[Parama]

Hey LMP, your next post in this thread, assuming you make one, should contain all of the following:
1. Full nameclaim
2. Top 3 scum suspects
3. A self-hammer

[Parama]

That's retarded, Packbat. He's at L-1, he can perfectly well claim if he wants to.
Of course, we're lynching him today so it hardly matters, but.

[Parama]

You just removed pressure on obvious scum. Thank you very much. Please return your vote.

[Parama]

DLG, why is LMP town?

[Parama]

@ werewolf555
I've never played with you before. But, the prevailing opinion seems to be less than complimentary towards you. Are you given to making claims like this when you don't really have to?

I have no basis to either accept or not accept werewolf555's claim. I'll go with a willing suspension of disbelief for the time being.

I am here to plead for more votes on vezok-scum
...
This is obv. rolefishing, and him along with his partner Empking who also spurred on the claiming
...
I feel that these 2 people are scum, and were trying to extract votes from ppl so that they could get roles.
Join me in lynching these obv. scum
VOTE: empking

Do you want more votes on vezokpiraka as initially stated, or Empking?
How is vezokpiraka's vote obvious rolefishing?
Why did you cave to Empking's "pressure" and claim? This is the second time I have asked you this question. Please answer it this time.

[Parama]

For starters, there are multiple characters with the last name Llewellyn
For seconds, lolscumgivingup

Actually llewellyn is the characters entire name, and is one of the biggest characters in the strip

Well... we never are given a first name for him in the comic IIRC... meh. LMP is still scum.

[Parama]

Also what "deception" are you talking about? That seems like extreeeme misrep FMPOV.

[Parama]

Oh before I forget:
werewolf and LMP, can you paraphrase the flavor of your role PM?

[Parama]

There's no reason for the LMP to break down just because of a claim.
In fact, this is exactly what I'd expect to happen if we wagoned scum.

[Parama]

More votes on LMP, rather, since that wagon is much bigger and also superior.

[Parama]

The only thing that gives me pause with LMP is that usually scum fakeclaims are of minor characters and Llewellyn isn't one of those. I guess SC could have purposefully not put in Llewellyn or made him a "bad guy," but still...

Dumbledore

[Parama]

What I'm saying is, flavor should NEVER break a game, and SC is a good enough mod to know this.
LMP claimed a big name.
So what?
He didn't bother defending himself
He obviously isn't interested in scumhunting

That's anti-town at best and obvious scum at worst.

[Parama]

I would expect the exact opposite. "Hey im a VT, you should lynch me, bye now" is the SCUM response to a quick wagon? Seriously? I would expect scum to do some sort of response, defense, and not claim flat out like that, instead try to get people off the wagon.

No, see...
LMP knows there is no good defense for his actions, and knows when he's backed into a corner, so he wants a quickhammer to end discussion as soon as possible. The less discussion about a lynch candidate, the less scumlinks it builds, hence the pro-scum motives behind quickhammering. LMP was telling a scumbuddy to hammer him.

Fishy, can you help us lynch LMP?

[Parama]

-LMP kinda just left. Either frustrated scum, or frustrated town. I am leaning town because I don't think scum would claim VT.

Seeing this is why you need to stop posting and start sheeping.
Scum can claim VT too, y'know.

[Parama]

MOD: There's a chance my power may go out soon due to freezing rain, so consider me V/LA for the next 4 days. I'll keep posting if I don't lose power, of course.

[Parama]

Okay.
Why are you not scum? What is your counter-argument to my argument for your lynches? Who should we be lynching, if not you?
You failed to answer any of these questions. "I can't believe I'm not lynched." Indeed.

[Parama]

I don't see any reason not to lynch LMP. He hasn't defended the arguments against him. His best defense is WIFOM. Seriously guys, start using your eyes.

[Parama]

I still don't see LMP responding to my arguments against him.

[Parama]

I still don't see LMP responding to my arguments against him.

[Parama]

Why on earth is werewolf at L-1?

*doesn't try to do anything to dissuade the wagon even though he doesn't agree with it*

Oh and, werewolf isn't exactly AT THE TOP of my scumlist today, but I don't mind the wagon because he's werewolf.

So this is a policy wagon?

*doesn't try to stop it*

PEdit: LyMP, do you feel anything about anything so far?

Ya, now that we have a cop claim, I'm pretty suspicious of it. Pretty sure "zOMG I'm the cop" is scum 101.

Oh, NOW that we have a cop claim... you think the person claiming is scum. Because of something I've never heard of before.
And, oh look. werewolf wasn't at L-1. Why didn't you vote?

What?

I voted werewolf not chess. What the fuck happened?

...This is SOOO bad. Unfortunately, I have up close and personal experience with Vezo TERRIBLENESS, so I don't know if it has anything to say about Vezo's alignment.

"I've found something scummy, but because IMO vezo is a terrible player it's excusable. Excuse me while I refrain from actually putting any effort into scumhunting."

In shorter terms:
Why didn't you try to stop the werewolf wagon if you disagreed with it?
Why didn't you vote werewolf if you found his cop claim suspicious?
Why does vezok's track record make a difference in whether or not he's scum? VI's CAN be scum, y'know... I was in a game with DMSIS and was able to read him as scum just fine.

[Parama]

On vezok:

unvote
vote werewolf

L-1.

This is a totally acceptable vote. I probably would've done the same, except mine was a L-2 vote.

unvote

Forgot about that.

You could make a timing argument about this post, but this just looks like a case of forgetting to do something.

unvote vote LMP

This is not LMP town. I am pretty sure with that.

I am not sure what to believe. I know LMP scum from Star wars mafia. He is not acting like that here. So I have no idea what to believe.

I think he is just scum faking it.

These are definitely contradictory. vezok, what changed from the time of the first post to the time of the second post?

I think we should let werewolf slide for today.

We lynch him tomorrow and also get a result.

Eh... I'd call this Lining up Lynches but to be honest this thought did cross my mind at one point.

Want to bet an avatar with me DLG?

HEEEEEEY MAAAAAN, SLOW DOWN
THAT IS NOT THE TOWN RESPONSE TO DLG'S ACCUSATION

It was a DLG.

You know I am not scum that's why you won't take the bet. And why would you know that?

Because you are scum.

unvote
vote DLG

I am 90% sure this guy is scum.

You could've... y'know... responded to his accusation instead of just OMGUSing.
BTW, avatar bets are retarded. No one controls my avatar but me. I turned down an avatar bet with someone who I felt was obvious scum before just because I don't do that kind of crap (P.S. he was scum)

The rest of vezok's posts are just him exploding. Sigh. I almost feel like we should lynch him because this sort of play is anti-town under any circumstances

[Parama]

On Zyrc:

@Zyrc - Who is you current top scumread?

I decided I should actually work this out(noone is doing a whole lot so far), and came up with a few things:

1) My unit of scummyness is too small, I should fix this.
2) Antihero's not being as serious as I'd like.
3) brist is fail, hopefully this will fix itself
4) Jerbs has had a whole 4 posts which actually say NOTHING... this seems a little too perfect not to be by design.

Since I ACTUALLY LIKE vezok's last post, I think I'll
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jerbs

Oh and, werewolf isn't exactly AT THE TOP of my scumlist today, but I don't mind the wagon because he's werewolf.

PEdit: LyMP, do you feel anything about anything so far?

PEdit2: How many games you played LyMP?

Dunno about anyone else but this post gives me good vibes. Zyrc is trying to prod for information, and this post is an incredibly info-laden post. So...

There's not much else in his ISO though.
Zyrc, do you still think Jerbs is scum? You haven't said anything on the matter since your original vote on him, and even that was unexplained in the first place.

[Parama]

I read through Jerbs' ISO and see little to no issues there. Sure, he could be posting a bit more but V/LAs are happening a lot and life take priority over mafia.
Anywho before I forget I did notice that the timing on Zyrc's latests posts is a bit iffy. AKA right after he was called out.

[Parama]

You removed a vote on someone you thought was scum just to say 'you suck?'

HOLY MISREP BATMAN
There was logic behind his vote, though I'm not sure if I agree with it. You basically ignored the rest of his post and commented on only the "You Fail" line, it seems.

I think the cop and his magical buddy are scummier in actual play

I find it odd that you refer to werewolf as "the cop". It sounds like you believe that he is, though your vote says otherwise.

You've given up, then do us all a favor and replace out. Don't play the sacrifical martyr or the VI for it. If you've not given up, then come to a defense.

I always get townie vibes from whoever makes these kinds of posts. Maybe because I've only ever done it as town (IIRC) and I tend to see only town players do it. Scum like having players who are generally useless just sitting around because it creates confusion.

In general I don't exactly agree with a lot of Ghostlin's cases but it sounds like he believes them. Still, the line about "the cop" irks me. Gah.

[Parama]

Now, let's see the others. Parama, I think you're on the wrong track. I've seen LMPscum before, and this doesn't mesh up at all with that. Also, any self respecting scumbag would drag a doc down with him if he were getting lynched.

1. metasucks
2. Remember that the mod is likely providing scum with fakeclaims as this is a themed game. If it's anything like Furry Mafia, the scum were each given one name that wasn't in the game (and probably a role PM to go along with it)

I think fishy might be onto something. Let's take a look at Jerbs. In post #3, he throws out this generality ("Also, I support bandwagons early on in the game to have stuff happen"). Nothing else. Nothing on werewolf's play, or anyone else's bandwagon jump. Stating the "correct" thing w/o anything else seems actish to me.

Meh, I can see this too.

Looking at post #5, I can see the buddying fishy was talking about.

fishy

: Can you think of something that happened in a previous game that would cause Jerbs to buddy you (have you played w/ him as scum before...?). The first two bullet points really don't say...anything. It's just kind of a summary of what's happened so far.

I personally though bristep's decision to replace out when he did was a town move, tbh.

Don't see as strong of a case against Jerbs as, say, LMP <_<

[Parama]

Yeah, there's no consistency at all in those lists but whatever he's scum he doesn't care
@LMP: Your claim post did nothing for me and I wanted you dead. So you should've self-hammered. And you said you wanted to be the lynch. But you wanted someone else to hammer, for pro-town effect when you flipped scum. And the second post says exactly what that effect would've been had I not been keen enough to see it a mile away.
You don't really want to be the lynch, you're just saying that so it stops people from lynching you. Reverse psychology does tend to be pretty effective in mafia for some odd reason

[Parama]

...yes? That's exactly what I said.

[Parama]

The "buddying" was Jerbs commenting on how he thought bristep was town.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: vezok

Where did you EVER say that you found Zyrc suspicious? And suddenly it's "I wouldn't hesitate to vote him?" I CALL BS.

[Parama]

Emp is either clever town or stupid scum, and I don't think he's stupid.

[Parama]

Even scum don't change their votes every time a wagon shifts like that. Unless they're newb/dumb. And I know Empking isn't dumb.
It's a town move because it adds pressure. And adding pressure to scum is good.

[Parama]

Actually, I did ask that earlier.

[Parama]

Mod can give fake role PMs out, y'know.

[Parama]

When I read it, I felt the same way... but SC wrote the role PMs and probably wrote the fakeclaim PMs too, so that shouldn't be surprising.

[Parama]

Antihero is town!

[Parama]

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[Parama]

3 of these 4 are our mafia:
Llama
Packbat
Fishy
Jerbs

(ranking: Packbat for sure, Jerbs very likely, doubt both Fishy and Llama are scum together but it's *possible* to some very minor degree.)

SK:
Ghostlin

Everyone else:
Sit back and relax, it's time to lynch scum.

vote: Packbat

is definitely a vote for scum.

To mafia:
Kill Ghostlin. He's a SK. It'd probably benefit you to have him dead. Thanks

To Ghostlin:
Kill mafia. You're not going to win this game, so at least help out the town. Thanks

[Parama]

LlamaFluff: it's called an arsonist. In fact, SWNII had an arsonist SK so I am shocked that you didn't know this.

[Parama]

Oh and also:
I am convinced that their is a SK for not much more than a gut feel read on Ghostlin combined with 2 kills making SK possible, but I feel that if there's no SK then Ghostlin is almost assuredly town, so I don't really want to lynch him at all today right now.
Also Packbat is scum.

[Parama]

Well, SK can kill mafia, so I'd assume that mafia would want SK dead.

[Parama]

3 of these 4 are our mafia:
Llama
Packbat
Fishy
Jerbs

This makes slightly less sense.

Scum is actually in - Zyrc/Fishy/Emp/Parma.

This one is actually disturbing though, I'll start with: "Why fishy?"

Any reason you didn't ask me the same thing?

[Parama]

Okay, Jerbs is most certainly scum, even if werewolf is scum.

[Parama]

Actually, yeah.

unvote, vote: Jerbs

pro lynch right here. better than Packbat even.

[Parama]

I lol'd at the timing of Packbat's vote on me. Just look at the series of events

>I vote him near daystart
>I switch to Jerbs a bit later
>Packbat posts, acknowledging at least up to the post 2 posts before my most recent posts
>He posts again, comments on the cop, late OMGUSes, and asks me to explain my reasoning... without telling me what he wants me to explain precisely. Seriously, I'm confused. What reasoning do you want me to explain?

Packbat's reason for voting me:
"Parama's not voting me anymore so I can vote him without having to worry about the accusation of OMGUS"

[Parama]

It's not because he voted werewolf, but the post in which he did so:

Vote werwolf

he's gonna mess us up later if we dont kill him now

I'll post more soon

>sees werewolf wagon forming
>jumps on ASAP
>uses "anti-town" instead of "scummy" as his basis for voting

anti-town =/= scummy ftr.

This also pretty much confirms Empking-town.

[Parama]

GHOST IS EITHER TOWN OR SK. AND TODAY I WANT TO LYNCH MAFIA. STOP FAILING.

[Parama]

I WILL NOT LET THIS TOWN LYNCH WRONG AGAIN.
LOOK AT JERBS' LATEST POST. AS SOON AS HE SEES A GHOSTLIN WAGON FORMING, HE HOPS RIGHT ON AND MAKES THE WORST CASE I HAVE

EVER

SEEN. TOWN DO NOT DO THIS.

[Parama]

BROKEN TAG mod can you fix it?

[Parama]

Uh, that was the hammer, fool.

Why aren't you hailing Ghost as a hero for hammering scum?

Whoever our killer is, be it vig or GhostSK: Shoot one between Packbat's eyes for me, k?

[Parama]

Crap I just realized I have one more puzzle to get out.

[Parama]

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[Parama]

Hey look, Pack was scum.

To Jerbs: Stop playing so scummily as town.

[Parama]

There is an odd number of players alive. If there's a SK, it's you. We have one scum dead. Even if there are 2 mafia and 1 SK, this game's still winnable. The kills are looking more and more like vig kills, though. I could see one of the two coming from a SK trying to act like a vig, but a SK doesn't kill off multiple players that would likely be lynched in his place - by eliminating all the scummy townies (and scummy scum too) the SK leaves himself with a higher chance of being lynched. So I say for now we assume vig.

[Parama]

I think they were right to kill Emp, personally <.< He was so obvtown it hurts.
To vig/SK: Shoot werewolf tonight. I don't want to waste a lynch on him, but he cannot be alive tomorrow.

[Parama]

Just putting this up for now, will analyze later:

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(2):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

Ghostlin (1):

DLG

Packbat

(1):

Empking

vezokpiraka

(1): Zyrconium
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

, LlamaFluff
Zyrconium (1): Parama

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

DLG

(1): Parama

Empking

(2):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

Packbat

(1):

DLG

vezokpiraka

(1): Zyrconium
werewolf555 (4): Antihero,

Jerbs

, LlamaFluff,

Empking

Zyrconium (1):

vezokpiraka

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(4):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

vezokpiraka

(1): werewolf555
werewolf555 (2): Antihero,

Jerbs

No Lynch (1):

Empking

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(5):

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

, LlamaFluff, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

,

Empking

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(5):

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

, LlamaFluff, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

,

Empking

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(2):

DLG

, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

LynchMePls

(5): Parama, LlamaFluff, Antihero,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

werewolf555 (2):

Jerbs

,

LynchMePls

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): Fishythefish

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1): Antihero

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

, werewolf555
werewolf555 (3):

Jerbs

,

LynchMePls

, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): Fishythefish

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1): Antihero

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

, werewolf555

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (2):

LynchMePls

, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

VOTE COUNT

DLG

(1):

vezokpiraka

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1):

LynchMePls

Jerbs

(3): Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Antihero

LynchMePls

(3): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1):

LynchMePls

Jerbs

(3): Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Antihero

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Jerbs

(2): Zyrconium, Fishythefish

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

, Antihero

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(4):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff
werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (2):

Jerbs

, Antihero,

Packbat

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(5):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3):

Jerbs

, Antihero,

Packbat

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(7):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin, Fishythefish, Antihero
Zyrconium (2):

Jerbs

,

Packbat

VOTE COUNT

Jerbs

(1): Parama
werewolf555 (2):

Empking

,

Jerbs

Parama (1):

Packbat

Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff

OTE COUNT

Empking

(1): Ghostlin

Jerbs

(4): Parama, Zyrconium, Fishythefish,

Packbat

werewolf555 (1):

Empking

Packbat

(1): LlamaFluff
Zyrconium (1):

Jerbs

VOTE COUNT
Ghostlin (2):

Empking

,

Jerbs

Jerbs

(6): Parama, Zyrconium, Fishythefish,

Packbat

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin

[Parama]

Actually, don't want to lose any trains of thought that a quick skim showed:

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(2):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

Ghostlin (1):

DLG

Packbat

(1):

Empking

vezokpiraka

(1): Zyrconium
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

, LlamaFluff
Zyrconium (1): Parama

Hmm. Might be one scum on the werewolf wagon, might not be.

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

DLG

(1): Parama

Empking

(2):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

Packbat

(1):

DLG

vezokpiraka

(1): Zyrconium
werewolf555 (4): Antihero,

Jerbs

, LlamaFluff,

Empking

Zyrconium (1):

vezokpiraka

...and now with 4 votes on werewolf, statistically there is scum. Even though the new vote is confirmed town...

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(4):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

vezokpiraka

(1): werewolf555
werewolf555 (2): Antihero,

Jerbs

No Lynch (1):

Empking

Let's call this evidence that I'm town
Antihero could be scum staying on werewolf... I quite like that theory, actually.

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(5):

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

, LlamaFluff, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

,

Empking

Packbat jumped ship so I wouldn't be sure if there's actually scum on the Emp wagon or not... lemme recheck the posts around the time.
*looks at posts*
He jumped because of V/LA... oh damn. One of werewolf/Llama is most certainly scum replacing the vote on the Emp wagon... maybe even both. They friggin' simulposted, too.
Just noticed that this one's repeated again, ignoring the second one.

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(2):

DLG

, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

LynchMePls

(5): Parama, LlamaFluff, Antihero,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

werewolf555 (2):

Jerbs

,

LynchMePls

Holy wagon hop batman. Obviously 1 scum here, probably not two, especially since the only two possible scum voted back-to-back. Werewolf holding his vote on Emp for now...

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): Fishythefish

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1): Antihero

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

, werewolf555
werewolf555 (3):

Jerbs

,

LynchMePls

, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff

...werewolf is definitely scum. The buddy on the LMP wagon hopped off to god knows where to try and start a counterwagon to the werewolf wagon. Werewolf took the opportunity to replace the buddies' vote with his, and Pack in turn replaced werewolf's Emp vote. It makes too much damn sense to be coincidence.

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): Fishythefish

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1): Antihero

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

, werewolf555

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (2):

LynchMePls

, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

Eh this is basically irrelevant since Jerbs is dead.

VOTE COUNT

DLG

(1):

vezokpiraka

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1):

LynchMePls

Jerbs

(3): Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Antihero

LynchMePls

(3): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

Huh. I think... I've got it. Let's look at a few more to see, but I'm pretty sure I know who both scum are now... can't even explain it. I'm pretty confident Antihero is scum.

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1):

LynchMePls

Jerbs

(3): Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Antihero

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

Also irrelevant.

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Jerbs

(2): Zyrconium, Fishythefish

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

, Antihero

Zyrc wagon isn't 100% town because I feel Zyrc is town. But that doesn't say anything new...

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(4):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff
werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (2):

Jerbs

, Antihero,

Packbat

Hmm... that vezok wagon could be all town, but I dunno...

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(5):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3):

Jerbs

, Antihero,

Packbat

Okay no the wagon is definitely not all town, so that means Llama is likely scum on the wagon... which contradicts the Antihero-scum theory. Sigh.

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(7):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin, Fishythefish, Antihero
Zyrconium (2):

Jerbs

,

Packbat

I do remember a game where each of the first 3 days' lynches (on town) had one scum, each day a different scum, and on the first day the scum was on the tail end of the wagon. Wouldn't surprise me to see the same thing here, which means Antihero-scum is still on the table. I think I can safely say that Llama and Antihero aren't scum together but one of them most definitely is.

VOTE COUNT

Jerbs

(1): Parama
werewolf555 (2):

Empking

,

Jerbs

Parama (1):

Packbat

Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff

We're off to a wonderful start if the first wagon is 100% confirmed town.

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1): Ghostlin

Jerbs

(4): Parama, Zyrconium, Fishythefish,

Packbat

werewolf555 (1):

Empking

Packbat

(1): LlamaFluff
Zyrconium (1):

Jerbs

Nope, not gonna be any more scum at this point I'd think.

VOTE COUNT
Ghostlin (2):

Empking

,

Jerbs

Jerbs

(6): Parama, Zyrconium, Fishythefish,

Packbat

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin

...huh. This... is the most confusing count of the entire game. It still fits with the earlier game I mentioned, so I guess it doesn't disprove my theory, but...

I need to analyze Packbat's posts, but I'm going to

vote: Antihero

for now. Like I said, I don't want to lynch werewolf. That will be a quicklynch and will provide absolutely no information for the town, though we hardly need it at this point.

[Parama]

Or you could've just sheeped my VCA case. But, whatever.

[Parama]

Oh man, I just read Anti's ISO again.

unvote

He's also so town it hurts. Let's get llama.

vote: LlamaFluff

[Parama]

hnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

unvote

Llama's probably also town, reading his ISO. It's not as sure as Antihero but.
Lemme ISO-scan everyone else really quick.

[Parama]

Hmm, thinking about it... that VCA is probably flawed for now. Think we need a few more flips first... sigh.

[Parama]

Sorry folks, I have oversubscribed myself with games and haven't been able to keep up with this one. I've asked to be replaced, because it's not fair to the rest of the town. Sorry again.

unvote

I still find this post to be ridiculously town.

I endorse the questions asked of zryc. I can't see any good reason to ask about me rather than anyone else, or to question Llama but not Parama.

@Llama: your scumlist was Zryc/Fishy/Emp/Para. But then you said
"Its going to be Zyrc/Fishy/Pack? Is Ghost a VI or scum? The answer to these or more as the game progresses. I think the answers are "two of the three" and "maybe even both"."
Where did Pack suddenly come from?

@Parama: why is Pack scum?

Holy crap. You have a bit of an obsession don't you?
Oddly enough part of me is saying that scum wouldn't be this blatant, but my judgment on this sort of thing seems to have been poor all game long... sigh.

Don't really see much in Fishy's ISO that I particularly like, but not much else that I particularly hate. Compared to my other reads though he's probably someone I wouldn't mind lynching.

[Parama]

Oh my. Read Zyrc's ISOs 6 and 7 (specifically the parts about Pack) then look at his scumlist:

Parama-note: this is his preface:

Unfortunately, my reads aren't much different from the rest of town.

1)LMP.
2)vezok(seriously still second, he was like 5th until that post)
large gap
3)Ghostlin
4)Empking(I really wanted this one to be higher, but no evidence to support it)
5)werewolf
6)Jerbs(I reckon this might drop in the next 30 posts I consider, I also reckon I may have been talking BS about the case to start with.... I don't really agree with what I said back there...)

...

P.S. Pack, I didn't follow up on you cause I liked your response...

Where the hell did Packbat go? I wanna see this response...

Better question:

LynchMePls, I will give you fourteen hours from the time of this post to respond to the outstanding questions directed toward you. If after that time I have not received a response I deem satisfactory, I will vote for your lynch.

What happened to this Pack?

Sheer bluff. Stupid bluff, too - LMP was asking to be lynched, so threatening to lynch wasn't effective. I still don't think his claiming was wise - my impression that the game was still relatively early - but the fashion of his claim struck me as pro-town, which suggested to me he

was

town. I just wanted him to keep talking.

My Vas-patented BS meter went berserk when rereading this. A "bluff"? No, the bastard just needed an excuse to cover his mistake. He had every intention of hammering - at the proper time, of course, because otherwise he'd look scummy.

I can see where some might take it at face value, but I don't think Zyrc is that dumb. This brief explanation made your entire read on Pack do a 180? No, I ain't buyin it.

It seems that every time Z posts, its when someone calls him out

I don't get the point of this sentence.

...

heh.
hehe.
HAHAHA.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wow. Wooooooow. Zyrc, plz die kthx.

vote: Zyrc

I don't even remember why I had a town read on him, but that probably made me ignore him for too long... sigh.

[Parama]

Quick rescan of VCA... sigh. I hate everything lemonade.

unvote

. I just don't see Zyrc being scum, even with is godawful posting... even if every single one of his votes in this game has been on now-confirmed town... because, really, it just doesn't add up. Gaaaaaah. I hate. Everything.

MORE PEOPLE POST. MY LIFE IS RUINED. STOP THE CANADIANS.

[Parama]

@ MOD:
You made an error in this vote count originally, but it was fixed.

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls (3): werewolf555, vezokpiraka, Zyrconium
Packbat (1): LynchMePls
vezokpiraka (5): DLG, Parama, Empking, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3): Jerbs, Antihero, Packbat
Not voting (1): Fishythefish

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

According to werewolf, the number of votes on Zyrc was wrong. If you can remember, and if you can confirm it for us, what was the number of votes on Zyrc prior to the fix?

Long shot question but I think it's relatively important.

[Parama]

I reread Ghost. I still think he's town, but I humbly request that he not bother trying to think for the rest of the game, since it will likely lead us all to destruction. Or he's SK and oh well who cares about him. Still don't think my SK theory holds any water.
SIGH. THIS GAME MAN. MAN THIS. GAME MAN. SIGH GAME.

[Parama]

@AH: Why is werewolf town?

[Parama]

shockawe.

[Parama]

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    # 5
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CSAUZLJRCNU
MTTFYHDLDGP
KWRHBQTVARI
AIFPXOGBJEG
NUQMLKMZIPO
ZEEVOMSYFKW
GPLCDEWRNCJ
SXDQNVSHBXY
IBJHQAFAKOT
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(6,8) (2,3)
(5,5) (9,1)
(1,4) (4,7)
<----------

[Parama]

There is 0 reason to lynch werewolf. He is scum. Lynching him won't get us a shred of info, and we have a 2nd killing role, so he can be vigged. I see no reason to lynch him.

[Parama]

...No we're not?

[Parama]

...
I said.
2ND KILLING ROLE

IN THE POST YOU QUOTED

Until you learn to read, I'm ignoring you. You're scum anyways so IDRC.

[Parama]

And yet your case against me is that i've claimed cop
If you look at my contributions day 2, I did submit content

You posted 4 times and didn't really post ANYTHING of worth.

[Parama]

I see no reason not to massclaim... but I have to get my reveal ready, hehe.

[Parama]

@Mod: I unvoted Zyrc a while back BTW... post 469.

[Parama]

BTW, I'm waiting on mod response for my paraphrase... other than that I am completely ready to claim, but we're apparently not popcorning so I'mma wait until the end ^.^
I already have everything typed up though so.

[Parama]

Paraphrase cleared the mod btw.
Still gonna wait until someone makes me claim

[Parama]

Okay, so let's get this over with...

What the hell have I been doing with all these puzzles? Let's find out.

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    # 1
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BGSCQVFTRQB
OMYITUEYMOU
JZFYPAGHFXJ
SHAEUOFSUND
HZHCAVHMEKM
WGLENPAPWRL
CLIDTAQVCKI
ALZINOQREZD
DHBYKDGBRXE
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   O---O
   | O |
   O---O

If anyone was actually able to solve this one, I applaud you, because I designed it specifically to be near-impossible to figure out. Same goes for the second puzzle; the rest were simpler to solve.

Here's the key: If there are two letters in the same column or row, they are eliminated and are not part of the solution.

For example: Look at the first row. See how there are two B's in that row? That means that neither is part of the solution. Now look at the second column. See how there are two G's in that column? Again, not part of the solution.

But two letters that are in the same DIAGONAL do not get eliminated.

This is what the image at the bottom of the puzzle was trying to convey.

What do you get when you take out every letter that isn't part of the solution?

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  S    T   
      E    
    P  H   
  A      N 
    A      
      A  R 
   D   V   
A      R   
    K     E

Hey look, my role name! I'm such a geek, heh. Which was kinda the point of making these puzzles. Also it's fun.

Anyways, next one.

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    # 2
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ALRBHDTFOZU
QDGWUVRKBOJ
WPQGXELHCMY
KSIANTHXFGM
CBNAUJQVONS
EYSPXDKZQZC
HRKFMVERNPA
MEVIOXSPIGD
TNCTZFLIBUL
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     4

If you got this one... I hail thee as a puzzle god. Because the clue was so unspecific that it damn well could've meant anything, and should've made it literally impossible to solve. Neato.

Anyways... what DOES it mean? The number 4 is key...
Go 4 to the left from the top, then take the first 4 letters in that column.
BWGA

Now apply a 4 letter shift forwards, like so:
A becomes E, B becoms F etc.
Here's a full list of all shifts:

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ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
EFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCD

Now let's take the 4 letters from before and apply a shift to them.
B becomes F
W becomes A
G becomes K
A becomes E

Hey look, it spells fake! Wait, does that mean Parama's fakeclaiming?
Well... not quite. It means the contents of the rest of the puzzles are simply attempts to mislead the scum into thinking I'm a power role when I'm not. It's like breadcrumbing cop without being cop... if I was dead and had flipped, every single piece of information that the puzzles hid would be shown to be worthless, as a VT doesn't really breadcrumb anything legitimately, right? So pretty much the town wouldn't have wasted time with the puzzles once I'd flipped, I hope

Anyways onto that third puzzle.

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FTOIKYIEQCG
PLXUONKYJXA
PARDBWVCMNS
HONKJMGFRZT
AXUDCPOOKBI
ZATZOCKUIRQ
OEKSLBWHEDV
SMNHFNBYONK
CQJWVOTKLEQ
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    O K

The letters that are a part of the solution are between the letters O and K on a single row. And yes that means the letters could also be O or K as long as they were between those two letters as well. I made sure there were no OOKK's though

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  OIK      
    ONK    
           
 ONK       
      OOK  
    OCK    
OEK        
        ONK
     OTK   

What are the letters between these O and K's?
I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T. First signs of my "breadcrumb".

On who, you ask?

Let's take a look at the next puzzle.

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    # 4
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GRADESKEHVA 
MUOHACKINGN
GJSBTONLINE
CQSITESSPCV
QTECHNOLOGY
POIAMEGJDTL
HDRLIBRARYU
INTERNETQFR
FBNINETWORK
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 1NTERESTS

Hey look let's find the words that geeks like me like. And then take the first letter of each of those words.

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GRADES      
   HACKING
     ONLINE
  SITES
 TECHNOLOGY
           
   LIBRARY
INTERNET   
    NETWORK

...yeah this is pretty lame because I had to rush on this one. Didn't expect D2 to end so quickly (quickhammer <_<) but I wanted to get this out here... if I was "legitimately" a cop and scum had figured out those last two combined with my behavior throughout the day... they probably would've killed me. Which actually would've been a shame that late into the game (didn't quite think it through all the way... I hate being dead at an endgame where I know exactly who the scum is and nobody else does because they're morons).

But yeah. Just take the first letter of each of those words. G-H-O-S-T-L-I-N. That's my "innocent" so to speak.

Next one, which will be completely useless anyways since I didn't post a follow-up to it, and I don't actually have one made yet (these were very spontaneously made).

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    # 5
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CSAUZLJRCNU
MTTFYHDLDGP
KWRHBQTVARI
AIFPXOGBJEG
NUQMLKMZIPO
ZEEVOMSYFKW
GPLCDEWRNCJ
SXDQNVSHBXY
IBJHQAFAKOT
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(6,8) (2,3)
(5,5) (9,1)
(1,4) (4,7)
<----------

The key: If you follow the coordinates I gave there, the first being column number and the second being row number, you get some sort of nonsense. BUT. If you start from the very last number, and flip all the coordinates around, like so:
(7,4) (4,1) (1,9) (5,5) (3,2) (8,6)
You get the actual coordinates.

What letters do they point to?

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   U        
  T        
           
      G    
    L      
       Y   
           
           
I          

In order, they spell G-U-I-L-T-Y.

Who was that guilty on?
I was going to put werewolf, but frankly it's kinda irrelevant now.

[Parama]

tl;dr version:

Stephan Aardvarke, Vanilla Townie

Flavor paraphrase:
I’m the computer geek who wanted in the dotcom bubble until it went out the window. School has its own bubble – the bullying problem – but this time I want to burst it.

[Parama]

UGH.

MOD: I am missing a

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 tag near the bottom of the post, can you insert it for me? thanks.[/b]

[Parama]

Fishy still needs to claim IIRC, though I have a good bet on what he's going to claim.

[Parama]

V/LA 2/20-2/21

[Parama]

Okay, so Zyrc is SK.

[Parama]

Wait do we really only have 2 claimed PRs?
I haven't been paying attention >.< Zyrc can stay as town for now.
I still don't think werewolf is town, though.
Antihero is obvtown...

vote: werewolf

I don't care if he's claimed cop and we have a flipped miller. Outguessing the setup = lame. Outguessing flavor = lame. OUTGUESSING THE MOD = LAME.

I only thought Zyrc was SK due to a total lack of Ozy yet having Millie, which is incredibly suspicious from a flavor standpoint EVEN THOUGH I feel the kills were coming from a vig, like I said earlier.

[Parama]

honestly he's the only one I can pinpoint as scum atm. I have doubts about pretty much everyone else <.<

[Parama]

Well damned if I care.
...though your retarded push on me even in light of the fact that I am intentionally not doing what you want me to almost makes me want to give you townpoints.

[Parama]

Llama. Do you think Fishy is scum?

[Parama]

Ghost, you're losing your town read. Stop it ;_;

[Parama]

Packbat: You have 4 posts, more than anyone else in the thread (I think), yet nothing related to trying to find scum. I want your top suspicion plz kthx.

I want more information before selecting a top suspect. bristep123 hasn't even posted yet. The biggest thing I can see is Ghostlin's weird vote reason (RVS-wagons are pretty standard business), but Ghostlin might just be making an RVS vote. I think the best information will come when wagons start reaching L-2 and L-1 and we can see how people deal with the pressure.

Nvm, Ghost is still town.

[Parama]

@Pack - Why ask questions 2/3?

Those questions are pretty random, I have to admit - (2) is related to your knowledge of Zen Buddhism, which is sort of related to the comic, and (3) is related to bullying, ditto.

LlamaFluff, it is a fact about human psychology that they will change their minds less often than they think. If I go ascribing "top suspect" status right now, on the basis of essentially nothing, it will distract me from observing what is in front of me. Until I see something substantive, I think aiming my FoS is premature.

Mod: My area is in the midst of a snowstorm, and my house has no power. V/LA until further notice.

@Pack - Why bother to RVS if you arent going to move it for most of the game?

I

will

when I have reason to - but if I weren't still V/LA, I'd leave the vote on Empking and support the new wagon. His play is downright

weird

, and I want a diagnosis on whether that's scummy-weird or just weird.

This doesn't exactly look like scum-town interactions to me. Lots of conversation between Llama and Pack but little of it sounds like either of them suspect each other... Pack does none of that, and Llama makes some weak arguments.

Frankly, Ghostlin's vote for LlamaFluff still bothers me more than either of tjose - Ghostlin, did you know that LlamaFluff was making an RVS wagon, and do you believe RVS-wagoning is scummy?

...and here he speaks for Llama.

P.S. I know werewolf doesn't seem to be the lynch for today, but I'm not sure I believe the claim. I know he's a newbie, but his play doesn't read as newbtown to me, particularly what with the unexplained vez -> Emp vote switch after Empking's wagon rolled past vezopiraka's. This isn't RVS any more - voting just to wagon ...

somewhat

iffy.

He never actually tries to push suspicion; this looks like an excuse to bus werewolf later if it became necessary.

...why are you claiming? I mean, yes, we all want the full flavorclaim name, but

why?

werewolf555 was at least

asked

to claim - you don't even have that excuse!

And this is defending werewolf IMO. 180 right there.

LOL! I've been wagonned to L-1 in one page. Awesome. Check this wagon tomorrow for those who wanted to a counterwagon for Empking/WW.

Claim: Llewellyn VT

Please hammer. More claims is BAD. Good luck!

...why are you claiming? I mean, yes, we all want the full flavorclaim name, but

why?

werewolf555 was at least

asked

to claim - you don't even have that excuse!

FAKERAGE SENSES TINGLING

People voting Antihero should unvote here.

It's worth waiting a night on werewolf555 on the off chance, but if he's alive tomorrow he'll be high on my list of suspects.

"I'll say I suspect werewolf, but I don't actually want him lynched yet because he's my buddy. But tomorrow, go ahead and lynch him! I'll even help!"
^accurate paraphrase

I highly approve of all zen skullduggery. Also, I have a feeling the deadline might be approaching - I will reread this evening and post my opinions on Zyrconium and others then.

Don't need to even say it, but Zyrc isn't mafia and is probably town regardless so...

wolf - go

Seconded. werewolf555, what was your investigation result?

Oh god, he's at it again. This is like an amazing post for finding buddies... "Talking/Agreeing with Llama while not saying anything about him" followed by "prod werewolf for the cop report I told him to give"

I'm not going to claim right now, obviously, but I don't want to rule out an SK either. If either SK or Mafia was near the top of the lists of people LynchMePls had as scum - which as indicated in the link includes me, obviously, but also Parama and Ghostlin, and possibly Empking - that kill might be self-defense of the obvious kind. Empking I still think is town, but Parama being the common thread between every wagon (including LMP's) I do think is worth looking at if it starts looking more like a serial killer than like a vigilante.

Here's a good argument for me-town.
Well, besides my trying to get Packbat lynched. YOU GUYS WOULDN'T DO IT, LOOK WHERE THAT GOT YOU.

I'm not seeing it - the cop's claim should be trusted as far as the cop is, simple as that. The claim doesn't mean much in a closed setup where counterclaiming isn't a useful option.

VOTE: Parama

Care to explain your reasoning, pard?

Again.

Uh, that was the hammer, fool.

Why aren't you hailing Ghost as a hero for hammering scum?

Because he was supposed to be waiting for the claim - some kinds of behavior are explained by PRs. Also, it's possible the Zyr vote was motivated by something else, and now he won't have time to explain.

Again, Ghost is town. These things are blindingly obvious moreso now than ever. I wish Ghost would stop using his brain and start sheeping though.

[Parama]

I'd prefer a vote on werewolf over anything else. That aside, Fishy and Llama are the only other options IMO.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Fishy

Llama, prove your 558 right here right now.

[Parama]

Don't worry Fishyscum, we won't lynch Antiherotown. I don't really like LyLo tbh >.<

[Parama]

Parama, in his last post seemed scummy.
He seems sure of himself that he will survive until LYLO.

This is the exact same argument some morons used against vezok.
Oh look. Except this time scum's using it against me... haha. When you have a vig/SK, that argument is completely pointless.

Parama also chooses to lynch Fishy instead of me, even though he admits that he would rather want to kill me, going for the easier lynch?

All scum lynches are equal in my eyes.

[Parama]

All scum lynches are equal in my eyes.

I'd prefer a vote on werewolf

over

anything else. That aside, Fishy and Llama are the only other options IMO.

Please explain this then.

I can want 2 people dead while still choosing one over the other.

Parama, in his last post seemed scummy.
He seems sure of himself that he will survive until LYLO.

This is the exact same argument some morons used against vezok.
Oh look. Except this time scum's using it against me... haha. When you have a vig/SK, that argument is completely pointless.

First point: Why?

Vig/SK can kill scum. The argument werewolf uses assumes that the only way to kill scum is to lynch them, but we know that to be false.

[Parama]

:<

[Parama]

WHY DID YOU LYNCH ANTI
HE WAS CONFIRMED TOWN
ALSO TOLD YOU WW WAS SCUM
LLAMA I BLAME YOU
THX

[Parama]

AND THESE WERE MY SCUMREADS, YOU DERPS. YES, ZYRC SHOT THEM, BUT I CAUGHT THEM.

though he still deserves props for mad skillz.

[Parama]

also I think the setup is fundamentally flawed, because town can get up to 8 "lynches" (4 lynches and 4 vig shots)
11:2 start
town lynches town ---> 10:2
vig & scum shoot town ---> 8:2
town lynches town --> 7:2
vig & scum shoot town ---> 5:2
town lynches scum ---> 5:1
vig & scum shoot town ---> 3:1
town lynches town ---> 2:1
vig shoots scum, scum shoots town ---> 1:0

gg, town win.

[Parama]

Oh, so I can blame Vi.

Curse you, Vi, and all that your dishwasher stands for.