Mini 1,115: Ozy and Millie Mafia (Game over!)

[Ghostlin]

Yeah I outright refuse to vote wolf, I cant see him being scum, like at all.

Parama making me think he is scum again with the sudden push on him and Ghost is quickly giving back all the townie brownies I gave him.

Acutally, Llama I think lynching werewolf would be a slide in the wrong direction. (Read the above post before my questioning as to why.) In fact, again, Parama just did a 180 with no good reason of 'I dunno. I think the rest of you are town.'

Personally, Zyrc claimed Vig. No one counterclaimed him. We have two night kills a night. Yeah, I believe we have a Vig,

maybe

an SK, but this game doesn't seem to lend itself to SK. We're not lynching Zyrc or Werewolf tonight. I'm liking lynching Parama a bit more with this, it's more groan worthy then 'why don't you want to lynch the SK now?' Because the SK just outed himself if not a Vig and needs scum dead to win.

[Parama]

Ghost, you're losing your town read. Stop it ;_;

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Antihero (2): Fishythefish, Ghostlin
Fishythefish (1): Antihero
werewolf555 (1): Parama
Not voting (3): LlamaFluff, werewolf555, Zyrconium

With

7

players alive, it takes

4

votes to lynch.

[Parama]

Packbat: You have 4 posts, more than anyone else in the thread (I think), yet nothing related to trying to find scum. I want your top suspicion plz kthx.

I want more information before selecting a top suspect. bristep123 hasn't even posted yet. The biggest thing I can see is Ghostlin's weird vote reason (RVS-wagons are pretty standard business), but Ghostlin might just be making an RVS vote. I think the best information will come when wagons start reaching L-2 and L-1 and we can see how people deal with the pressure.

Nvm, Ghost is still town.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama. Do you think Fishy is scum?

Decent chance of it. I think its basically a combination of you/fish/anti with a remainder of ghost.

[Parama]

@Pack - Why ask questions 2/3?

Those questions are pretty random, I have to admit - (2) is related to your knowledge of Zen Buddhism, which is sort of related to the comic, and (3) is related to bullying, ditto.

LlamaFluff, it is a fact about human psychology that they will change their minds less often than they think. If I go ascribing "top suspect" status right now, on the basis of essentially nothing, it will distract me from observing what is in front of me. Until I see something substantive, I think aiming my FoS is premature.

Mod: My area is in the midst of a snowstorm, and my house has no power. V/LA until further notice.

@Pack - Why bother to RVS if you arent going to move it for most of the game?

I

will

when I have reason to - but if I weren't still V/LA, I'd leave the vote on Empking and support the new wagon. His play is downright

weird

, and I want a diagnosis on whether that's scummy-weird or just weird.

This doesn't exactly look like scum-town interactions to me. Lots of conversation between Llama and Pack but little of it sounds like either of them suspect each other... Pack does none of that, and Llama makes some weak arguments.

Frankly, Ghostlin's vote for LlamaFluff still bothers me more than either of tjose - Ghostlin, did you know that LlamaFluff was making an RVS wagon, and do you believe RVS-wagoning is scummy?

...and here he speaks for Llama.

P.S. I know werewolf doesn't seem to be the lynch for today, but I'm not sure I believe the claim. I know he's a newbie, but his play doesn't read as newbtown to me, particularly what with the unexplained vez -> Emp vote switch after Empking's wagon rolled past vezopiraka's. This isn't RVS any more - voting just to wagon ...

somewhat

iffy.

He never actually tries to push suspicion; this looks like an excuse to bus werewolf later if it became necessary.

...why are you claiming? I mean, yes, we all want the full flavorclaim name, but

why?

werewolf555 was at least

asked

to claim - you don't even have that excuse!

And this is defending werewolf IMO. 180 right there.

LOL! I've been wagonned to L-1 in one page. Awesome. Check this wagon tomorrow for those who wanted to a counterwagon for Empking/WW.

Claim: Llewellyn VT

Please hammer. More claims is BAD. Good luck!

...why are you claiming? I mean, yes, we all want the full flavorclaim name, but

why?

werewolf555 was at least

asked

to claim - you don't even have that excuse!

FAKERAGE SENSES TINGLING

People voting Antihero should unvote here.

It's worth waiting a night on werewolf555 on the off chance, but if he's alive tomorrow he'll be high on my list of suspects.

"I'll say I suspect werewolf, but I don't actually want him lynched yet because he's my buddy. But tomorrow, go ahead and lynch him! I'll even help!"
^accurate paraphrase

I highly approve of all zen skullduggery. Also, I have a feeling the deadline might be approaching - I will reread this evening and post my opinions on Zyrconium and others then.

Don't need to even say it, but Zyrc isn't mafia and is probably town regardless so...

wolf - go

Seconded. werewolf555, what was your investigation result?

Oh god, he's at it again. This is like an amazing post for finding buddies... "Talking/Agreeing with Llama while not saying anything about him" followed by "prod werewolf for the cop report I told him to give"

I'm not going to claim right now, obviously, but I don't want to rule out an SK either. If either SK or Mafia was near the top of the lists of people LynchMePls had as scum - which as indicated in the link includes me, obviously, but also Parama and Ghostlin, and possibly Empking - that kill might be self-defense of the obvious kind. Empking I still think is town, but Parama being the common thread between every wagon (including LMP's) I do think is worth looking at if it starts looking more like a serial killer than like a vigilante.

Here's a good argument for me-town.
Well, besides my trying to get Packbat lynched. YOU GUYS WOULDN'T DO IT, LOOK WHERE THAT GOT YOU.

I'm not seeing it - the cop's claim should be trusted as far as the cop is, simple as that. The claim doesn't mean much in a closed setup where counterclaiming isn't a useful option.

VOTE: Parama

Care to explain your reasoning, pard?

Again.

Uh, that was the hammer, fool.

Why aren't you hailing Ghost as a hero for hammering scum?

Because he was supposed to be waiting for the claim - some kinds of behavior are explained by PRs. Also, it's possible the Zyr vote was motivated by something else, and now he won't have time to explain.

Again, Ghost is town. These things are blindingly obvious moreso now than ever. I wish Ghost would stop using his brain and start sheeping though.

[Ghostlin]

More likely to be scum that'll I'll vote today:

Fishy/Antihero:

Antihero has already used 'if he uses crap logic, I get to use crap logic.' argument, and Fishy reads...more eager to argue with Anti then put in acutal input. For example, his last post says nothing useful to town, really, it's more like 'this is how I give out tells and why Anti is wrong about me. Nyh.' Neither one of them have given acutal input between me, Llama and Parama spinning our wheels trying to...acutally win this game, and neither one of them claimed anything I'd call useful.

Llama/Parama:

Thing is, I don't see these two very actively working together as a scum team, I was somewhat serious if one of them is scum, I feel the other is most likely town. Parama's vote on Werewolf makes me uneasy, there's very little gain there at this juncture, lying or not. Llama, I wish you had a better damn read. However, they're active and trying to kick up dust, which is protown.

Yes, I'm tied between those two tiers. I am not going to even mention Zyrc or Werewolf. That horse has been beaten.

Edit: Give me a direction to sheep. We're spinning our wheels here.

[Parama]

I'd prefer a vote on werewolf over anything else. That aside, Fishy and Llama are the only other options IMO.

[LlamaFluff]

Im running in circles a bit all over here. I think its one of fishy/anti, but no more then one of them. At the same time, I keep getting gut scum reads from Parama over almost everything. Ghost still lies in the "prob-town" area, with Zyrc and wolf taking town reads for their roles.

Now I get torn because I am more sure of one of anti/fish being scum then I am of parama being scum. Its nearly to the point where I would just stop playing for a while if they were both town. Its just all over the place on stuff. I need to lock the game down more.

Almost willing to stay I would vote fishy over anyone else right now, but still not sure.

[Ghostlin]

I see we're not going to get anywhere quickly, unless we choose a connection to move in. Antihero is apparently not a lynch today.

Unvote. Vote: Fishythefish

Next best thing.

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: connection=direction

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Fishy

Llama, prove your 558 right here right now.

[LlamaFluff]

Ok

vote fishy

[Antihero]

^scum

[Ghostlin]

That's the most progress we made today, Anti. I'm not thrilled, but it is indeed the most progress.

[Antihero]

This waffling thing w/ parama just smells like bs to me.

[LlamaFluff]

This waffling thing w/ parama just smells like bs to me.

So your arguement is... im not scum with fishy, you, parama, wolf, zyrc or ghost?

[Fishythefish]

Wow. What a horrible way to lynch someone.

Lynch Antihero for me tomorrow.

[Antihero]

This waffling thing w/ parama just smells like bs to me.

So your arguement is... im not scum with fishy, you, parama, wolf, zyrc or ghost?

if it's not fishy, it's ghost

[Parama]

Don't worry Fishyscum, we won't lynch Antiherotown. I don't really like LyLo tbh >.<

[werewolf555]

Antihero seems pro-town for not pushing the lynch along.

[Ghostlin]

Werewolf, who is scum and why? And do you have anything

meaningful

to add in twilight?

[werewolf555]

Parama, in his last post seemed scummy.
He seems sure of himself that he will survive until LYLO.
Parama also chooses to lynch Fishy instead of me, even though he admits that he would rather want to kill me, going for the easier lynch?

I'm sure that there's at least one scum on fishy wagon, very little reasoning on it.
You (ghostlin) don't want to kill the SK even if there is one,

[werewolf555]

I'm pretty sure zyronicum is vig-town

[werewolf555]

Ghostlin I think is town, and if he wasn't pro-sk, I wouldn't suspect him at all.
I'll probably try to investigate him tonight.