Mini 1,115: Ozy and Millie Mafia (Game over!)

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Jerbs (1): Parama
werewolf555 (2): Empking, Jerbs
Parama (1): Packbat
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff
Not voting (5): Antihero, Fishythefish, Ghostlin, werewolf555, Zyrconium

With

10

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch.

[Ghostlin]

I'm not seeing it - the cop's claim should be trusted as far as the cop is, simple as that. The claim doesn't mean much in a closed setup where counterclaiming isn't a useful option.

VOTE: Parama

Care to explain your reasoning, pard?

We

can't

trust the cop in this scenario. I kinda shouted this from the rooftops Day 1, and most of you ignored me. The fact that Werewolf is blocked and was scummy enough to have his own wagon Day 1 indicates to me one of two things: either he's scum lying through his teeth (nice 'go ahead if it makes you feel better and lynch me') or cop that relegated himself to not much more than active lurking, one-liners and being the equalivent of a VT.

The "cop" isn't trustworthy in this scenario, he's not pro-town.

VOTE: Werewolf

[LlamaFluff]

At least... LEAST one of the wolf voters are scum. The only way we lynch wolf today is if someone else says "I was roleblocked last night". We have a miller, we have an uncountered cop claim, we are not lynching the damn cop. If there is a RBer (which there normally is) did any of you on the wagon expect him NOT to be blocked if he was a cop or not?

I swear if he gets lynched I will continually berate everyone who was on the wagon for the remainder of the game.

unvote
Vote Emp

I see him as scum much more then I see Jerbs as scum just in relation to my other reads right now. I could be coerced to a Jerbs vote though depending on how the Q&A there goes.

Ghost is pinging the scummy-VI dar quite a bit with his vote on him for being "useless if town" which is never a reason to lynch (in absence of a few rare scenarios not occuring)

[werewolf555]

Dear Ghostlin,
Please explain how these two posts that were made before I went to L-1 are scummy

*squeeee* it started!

This is seriously one of my favorite comics of all time, I actually own the books. Dibs on flavor expert, challenge any of ya to know more about this theme then I do.

That said im not going to answer any of the other RQS questions since they are entirely irrelevant to the game and just serve as something that can make noise.

@Pack - Why ask questions 2/3?

Vote wearwolf

because wagon. Whats with all the pokemon avatars suddenly too? This some new in thing?

The cool, awesome and brilliant individuals (AKA myself) were put in a Pokedex on Hamsterdam where based on similarities with the pokemon and other players were connected to a pokemon. Those in the Pokedex changed their avatars. Some (I have to say I'm thinking they're suffering from mental illness to sheep so hard) other individuals also changed their's. And that is the story of the pokemon avatars.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 10&t=16149
I completely agree

and

VOTE TEAMING OBV. SCUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_x3iczf ... re=related

Honestly how is this scummy?

[Ghostlin]

At least... LEAST one of the wolf voters are scum. The only way we lynch wolf today is if someone else says "I was roleblocked last night". We have a miller, we have an uncountered cop claim, we are not lynching the damn cop. If there is a RBer (which there normally is) did any of you on the wagon expect him NOT to be blocked if he was a cop or not?

I swear if he gets lynched I will continually berate everyone who was on the wagon for the remainder of the game.

unvote
Vote Emp

I see him as scum much more then I see Jerbs as scum just in relation to my other reads right now. I could be coerced to a Jerbs vote though depending on how the Q&A there goes.

Ghost is pinging the scummy-VI dar quite a bit with his vote on him for being "useless if town" which is never a reason to lynch (in absence of a few rare scenarios not occuring)

The entire damn thing is almost designed for him to claim cop and get off from lynch ad infinitum. All he has to do is keep giving us "blocked" results. The only way he has to sweat is if Town lynches the RB or the RB is killed at night. If we even have a scum role blocker and he's not lying about cop in the first place. This wouldn't be particularly hard because if werewolf is scum, he knows the alignments of each player.

Yes, that's WIFOM. The entire damn thing is WIFOM. The only way we can be sure we're not being played is the lynch, and werewolf's play is lackluster at best. You're treating this as if he's obvtown, when in this scenario he stands at least a 50% chance of being scummy.

Am I pinging the VI/scum-dar? Why the hell are you letting an active lurker that we had to prod to get his investigation out when he claimed cop Day 1 get away with this, particularly with an AtE that summarized is 'well, you can lynch me if you want to.'

Werewolf: Those posts are almost non existent to the point of flying under the radar. I'd say they'd fit the profile of active lurking, which if I hadn't disappeared for a couple days, would of earned you my vote early day 1; particularly since you apparently thought someone was OBV SCUM and didn't

vote

them.

[LlamaFluff]

Yes, that's WIFOM. The entire damn thing is WIFOM. The only way we can be sure we're not being played is the lynch, and werewolf's play is lackluster at best. You're treating this as if he's obvtown, when in this scenario he stands at least a 50% chance of being scummy.

Because he is freaking obv-town. The only way I can be sure you are town-VI and not scum-VI is lynching you, why not do that? The setup so far points to him being town. The flavor matches up with a cop. Him attracting the RB every night is AMAZINGLY great. If he is town cop, the RB is stuck on him for the entire game unless the kill him. If he is scum, any active role getting RBed ends up with him being caught. This is a win-win-win, we win if he is scum, we win if he is town, and I win because im right. He is town, I will never vote him without someone saying "I was roleblocked last night".

Am I pinging the VI/scum-dar? Why the hell are you letting an active lurker that we had to prod to get his investigation out when he claimed cop Day 1 get away with this, particularly with an AtE that summarized is 'well, you can lynch me if you want to.'

Him being lurky and not helping is doing nothing to make his role claim change. He is town, everything else is inconsequent at this point. If he wants to just follow someone I think is town im cool with that. Also the "oh lynch me" doesnt hold water, you saw the LMP flip.

[Parama]

I lol'd at the timing of Packbat's vote on me. Just look at the series of events

>I vote him near daystart
>I switch to Jerbs a bit later
>Packbat posts, acknowledging at least up to the post 2 posts before my most recent posts
>He posts again, comments on the cop, late OMGUSes, and asks me to explain my reasoning... without telling me what he wants me to explain precisely. Seriously, I'm confused. What reasoning do you want me to explain?

Packbat's reason for voting me:
"Parama's not voting me anymore so I can vote him without having to worry about the accusation of OMGUS"

[Packbat]

My reasoning: you voted Jerbs for voting werewolf555. I understand Jerbs reasoning for voting werewolf555, and they seem pro-town to me, even if I don't think werewolf is the lynch for today, but understanding those reasons, I don't see

your

reasons for voting Jerbs. Am I mistaken? What is your case on Jerbs?

[Parama]

It's not because he voted werewolf, but the post in which he did so:

Vote werwolf

he's gonna mess us up later if we dont kill him now

I'll post more soon

>sees werewolf wagon forming
>jumps on ASAP
>uses "anti-town" instead of "scummy" as his basis for voting

anti-town =/= scummy ftr.

This also pretty much confirms Empking-town.

[Packbat]

Anti-town =/= scummy was

my

point. Jerbs provided the second vote on a player whom several others are disinclined to vote for, a claimed cop in a game with a miller, on the grounds that he will cause WIFOM at MyLo and LyLo - is that scummy, or is that just VI play?

[Zyrconium]

At least... LEAST one of the wolf voters are scum. The only way we lynch wolf today is if someone else says "I was roleblocked last night". We have a miller, we have an uncountered cop claim, we are not lynching the damn cop.

I.... this is site meta rather than scumhunting and it annoys me. I can't really dispute the logic, other than that I'm desperately hoping the mod expected this and decided to screw you over...

I'll cover Ghost's post above this later, developments already happened while I was trying to read it.

Summary would be that I don't really think even treating wolf as a townie there's a great deal of reason to vote him.

However Jerbs is scum mostly because of a disturbing change in stances he doesn't bother to point out or explain, specifically his stance on werewolf(nonexistant post-claim), his stance on me(he was on me most of the last day) and the location of the leading-wagon at the time of his post voting wolfy(me).

To be specific(and because it's fun to say), Jerbs is scum because he didn't vote me.

Vote Jerbs

Oh, and I've have voted Ghost in my first post if y'all hadn't confused me into wanting answers first...

P-Edit: damn thought I was agreeing with Parama today...

P-Edit: I think that's like 4 posts while I was writing total... :'(

[Ghostlin]

Also the "oh lynch me" doesnt hold water, you saw the LMP flip.

Autobahn's aren't evil. Because one set of circumstances aren't true, you can't take the other ones to be true.

There is still one situation where your entire scenario still falls apart; but even I find it somewhat unlikely.

Unvote

Zyrc: Your last post made my head explode: what makes Jerbs a better lynch than Emp, who voted werewolf for no other reason except for the blocked result we were all expecting. Also, your Zyrc vote had no content as well.

vote: Emp

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: Should read 'His Zyrc vote has no content as well.'

[Fishythefish]

ww is, indeed, a terrible lynch.

I agree with Parama about Jerb's vote on ww, and also dislike Packbat's chainsaw defence. Jerb's action was one that benefited scum, and was made with poor reasoning. I don't see why you'd ever assume he was a VI there.

VOTE: Jerbs

[Empking]

BNo,. I voted Werewolf because he's scum. I've been calling him scum all game apart from like a day.
(Honestly that RB comment was to try and trick him into claiming a result. Amusingly he saw through it and his arrogance for so so reeked through his posts.)

There is absolutely no good reason for thinking we have a cop in this game. Emphasis on "Good".

And Llama I feel you're deliberately ignoring my posts in order to lynch me. I said (yesterday) "werewolf had a mod-=provided safe claim" then you say "The flavor matches up with a cop." as if it means something.

[Antihero]

Will be looking at this thread and catching up tomorrow. I would now, but orgo lab completely zapped the energy out of me.

[Jerbs]

sorry, too damn tired to do anything other than sleep right now. I'll try to post tommorow

[LlamaFluff]

There is absolutely no good reason for thinking we have a cop in this game. Emphasis on "Good".

There is good reason, such as the miller flip.

And Llama I feel you're deliberately ignoring my posts in order to lynch me. I said (yesterday) "werewolf had a mod-=provided safe claim" then you say "The flavor matches up with a cop." as if it means something.

You are trying to lynch a cop claim that fits flavor, fits known flips, and has the "RB" already on top of them. Thats scummy. I would rather lynch anyone in the game over wolf right now.

[Empking]

There is absolutely no good reason for thinking we have a cop in this game. Emphasis on "Good".

There is good reason, such as the miller flip.

Not good.

And Llama I feel you're deliberately ignoring my posts in order to lynch me. I said (yesterday) "werewolf had a mod-=provided safe claim" then you say "The flavor matches up with a cop." as if it means something.

You are trying to lynch a cop claim that fits flavor, fits known flips, and has the "RB" already on top of them. Thats scummy. I would rather lynch anyone in the game over wolf right now.[/quote]

All those facts when added to the fact that werewolf is playing very scummy and very much like a scum pretending to be a cop adds up to one thing. Not werewolf being a cop but SC giving him a nice safeclaim.

[LlamaFluff]

Ugh... think Emp truely just believes the complete wrong thing here.

unvote
Vote pack

[Jerbs]

However Jerbs is scum mostly because of a disturbing change in stances he doesn't bother to point out or explain, specifically his stance on werewolf(nonexistant post-claim), his stance on me(he was on me most of the last day) and the location of the leading-wagon at the time of his post voting wolfy(me).

To be specific(and because it's fun to say), Jerbs is scum because he didn't vote me.

Vote Jerbs

Oh, and I've have voted Ghost in my first post if y'all hadn't confused me into wanting answers first...

...

what? So if i

Vote: Zyrc

im no longer scum?

[Packbat]

UNVOTE: Parama

However Jerbs is scum mostly because of a disturbing change in stances he doesn't bother to point out or explain, specifically his stance on werewolf(nonexistant post-claim), his stance on me(he was on me most of the last day) and the location of the leading-wagon at the time of his post voting wolfy(me).

To be specific(and because it's fun to say), Jerbs is scum because he didn't vote me.

Vote Jerbs

Oh, and I've have voted Ghost in my first post if y'all hadn't confused me into wanting answers first...

...

what? So if i

Vote: Zyrc

im no longer scum?

That's ...

incredibly

terrible. Why would you just fold under baiting like that?

VOTE: Jerbs L-2

[StrangerCoug]

No posts in 20 hours? Seriously?

No one's in prodding range, but if there are still no new posts by noon MST on Sunday, I'm throwing a deadline down.

[Empking]

I do not like the non-Parama members of the Jerb wagon and with this leisurely pace I don't see why scum would bus.

[Zyrconium]

27 hours Emp, start to the last vote on the Jerbs wagon(4 votes), sure that's leisurely?