Mafia 125: Khan's Game of Mafia (Game Over)

[nocase]

hello.

also i have a post restriction.

[nocase]

I don't think I can accept

what do you mean?

[nocase]

I don't think I can accept

what do you mean?

As in, your explanation for your supposed Post Restriction so far hasn't been satisfactory.

yes, i get that, but you're implying that the fact that the unsatisfactory nature of my explanation has further meaning to you. or are you just saying it's unsatisfactory and that's it, no relation to your view of me?

[nocase]

no, it was a perfectly straightforward question.

why aren't you voting anyone?

vote: chevre

, i guess.

[nocase]

this is true. i must have conflated you with someone else.

unvote; vote: curiouskarmadog

with the caveat that i still think you're wahoo.

[nocase]

would scum so boldly admit that they're ignoring the restriction claim?

[nocase]

this is cute.

[nocase]

DGB, I want you to claim. I don't care if it's real or fake, your claims are fantastic and often game-changing, and I don't want you to be NK'd before you have the chance to turn this game on its head.

Gut twinge here.

ME TOO!

wanna start a wagon with me?

[nocase]

unvote. vote: gorrad.

[nocase]

lol, rhetoric.

[nocase]

we have already established that i do not have a post restriction.

[nocase]

i would appreciate it if you would refrain from distracting from the more urgent pursuit of a gorrad lynch.

[nocase]

my restriction claim was a white lie, not a joke, if that refers to me.

unvote. vote: runner.

i've got one eye still fixed on gorrad but that last post by runner smelled really funny.

what was dutch one's lie?

[nocase]

spy, i don't see any others.

[nocase]

unvote. vote: chevre.

that last post was awesomely indecisive.

[nocase]

actually, i'm skeptical about xalxe.

[nocase]

dhjkfgdklfjghsgadfhdskjgh.

unvote.

[nocase]

vote: xalxe.

yeahhh.

[nocase]

seraphim, why did you feel it was necessary to put so much effort into preaching to the choir?

fos: ckd.

[nocase]

xalxe's posts are so cynical and sneakily light on actual scum-hunting-related content that i find it difficult to believe that they're coming from the perspective of an uninformed townie trying to find scum.

[nocase]

you annoy me; please stop posting.

[nocase]

xalxe's posts are so cynical and sneakily light on actual scum-hunting-related content that i find it difficult to believe that they're coming from the perspective of an uninformed townie trying to find scum.

Who else fits this description? List please.

just xalxe.

[nocase]

i'm ready to vote:

gorrad
werewolf555
runner
curiouskarmadog
xalxe
katsuki
redcoyote
chevre (more hesitantly)

tell me where to put my vote, guys.

[nocase]

so xalxe who do you think are scum again?

[nocase]

also, i agree with dgb about the weirdness of farside's reaction to the day vig considering her experience. it may not be anti-town but that doesn't mean it's not scummy (see: sitting on the fence and you).

[nocase]

@gorrad

, initially gut. then some convincing was done by spyrex.

[nocase]

unvote. vote: gorrad.

can we please skip chevre for now and humor spyrex by lynching someone who actually looks scummy?

[nocase]

chevre, vote gorrad if you value your life.

[nocase]

gut, and i like spyrex's case.

[nocase]

oh, ckd is up for grabs now?

unvote. vote: ckd.

[nocase]

gorrad, i'm willing to wagon because i have a number of town reads and no terribly strong scum reads. i changed my vote to ckd because i find him scummier than you.

[nocase]

1) Jumping on a wagon with no reasoning

my reasoning is gut. also, i was the first person to voice suspect you if my memory's correct.

2) Misrepresenting others

this isn't meant to apply to me, does it?

3) Saying something you can't back up (what I thought CKD was doing earlier)

if you're saying that i'm also doing this: my backup is gut.

the classic "messing-up-quote-tags" town-tell

i hopped off gorrad (i believe for the second time this game) because i thought some of his reactionary posts looked town. i'm scanning his iso. now and i'm not feeling it, although i'm sort of torn on isos. 19–21.

so fine. let's get this space jam on the road.

unvote. vote: gorrad. (do you love me yet, khan?)

[nocase]

cool rebuttal.

[nocase]

losers: runner, katsuki, iamausername, werewolf555.

reread runner in iso. he's scummier than i remember and i remember him being scummy.

katsuki is a coin flip except for the last line of iso. 2, which i'm puzzling over. not sure whether or not the sucking-up to dgb (iso. 3) means anything.

leaning town on iamausername for his claim to have been attempting to reaction-test farside (iso. 4). the flip-flopping on xalxe looks town as well.

i get the feeling that werewolf555 could be scum playing a lazy game and hiding behind a veneer of lololol or whatever, but more data would be really nice.

also, i'm getting increasingly suspicious that (some) scum have recognized that unexplained votes/foses are smiled upon or treated as a town tell by a lot of players in this game and have joined the masquerade in order to fit in.

[nocase]

nocase-approved lynches, revised, ordered from best to worst:

runner
gorrad
xalxe
werewolf555
katsuki
seraphim
curiouskarmadog
korlash
kmd4390

[nocase]

oh, yeah, i could definitely live with a jerbs lynch too.

[nocase]

where is he reckless? also, why do you think recklessness as mafia would be out of character for him?

[nocase]

i don't think anything he's posted risks getting into trouble.

[nocase]

that deflection was beyond awesome.

[nocase]

i shouldn't even dignify this post with a response but i can't help myself.

Nocase's Iso:
0-2: Claims to have a PR, runs with it. I think his PR is not being able to use caps.

reaction test, and wrong.

3-4: RVS. To those who claim there wasn't an RVS, you're full of it.

that vote was not random; chevre and ckd tickled my gut. thanks for the attempt at trivialization, though; i really dig it.

5: More PR bull

more reaction-testing pr bull.

6: Fluff

nope. it references the nuts reactions to my post restriction claim.

7-8: Jumps on the gut-Gorrad wagon.

cyberbob and i both found your post scummy. i was the first to vote but good try.

9. Fluff

nope. post 50 (yours) was loaded with nauseating rhetoric.

10. Admits PR was bull

"admits" characterizes it as reluctant or sheepish. it wasn't and i don't know how you could really think it was. i wasn't going to prolong the test indefinitely.

(Note: To those counting who are saying I had too much fluff, he's has 2/11 posts at this point that actually contribute)
11. "Everyone jump on the gut wagon"

yup. scummy how?

12. Jumps to a gut wagon on Runner, asks for clarification regarding "Dutch, are you scum?" post.

no one was voting runner at the time but thanks for once again falsely stating that my vote was not the first on a given player.

13. Defends against SpyreX

are you trying to make a point?

14. Votes Chevre for Indecisiveness (a fair charge)

aw, thanks for the seal of approval. it means a lot to me.

15. Gut read (again) on Xalxe

again, iioa.

16-17. Immediately jumps to Xalxe as soon as Chevre and Farside start to talk about him.

no, i jumped to xalxe because my read on chevre changed.

18. Asks why Seraphim went through the trouble of color-coordinating Chevre's WoT, then FoS's CKD (following my calling CKD out on his statement)

more iioa. make a goddamn point. there's nothing to indicate that my reestablished suspicion of ckd was strictly bandwagoning on your suspicion of him.

19. Explains his vote on Xalxe. Good reasoning. First post of his I like.

thanks! all i ever wanted was to please you!

20. Fluff

no. pushing to see how he would respond.

21. Confirms Xalxe-hate.

hey, look, another instance of FAILURE TO MAKE A POINT. i wasn't confirming xalxe-hate; i was confirming the uniqueness of xalxe's scummy attributes.

22. List of people he'd vote for. List is 8 people long, 3 of which he hasn't mentioned in any prior posts.

you caught me.

23. Presses Xalxe lightly.

no, actually, this post is an instance of what we english speakers refer to as ASKING A QUESTION HEHEHAHAHA.

24. Agrees with DGB that Farside's reaction is weird, but goes on to say that it IS scummy, whereas DGB said it was not from a scum perspective. Also does so two pages after DGB's comment.

cute. another non-point.

25. Confirms his Gorrad-hate is gut based, then cops out on explanation by just citing SpyreX

i voiced suspicion of you in the nascency of this game. the hunch stuck and i liked spyrex's case. but you're right. i'll never DARE to appreciate another player's theory again.

26. And on that note, as soon as I call him out, he votes me! (on gut + SpyreX's case)

the vote immediately followed chevre's wall. the wagon on chevre and chevre's overwhelming towniness were the direct cause of my vote.

27. Tells chevre to vote me "if you value your life". AKA "Hey, want to not get lynched? Move the wagon to this guy."

yes, that's exactly what i was saying. there's nothing remotely anti-town about urging a fellow townie to vote a player who's actually suspicious in order to stay alive.

28. See 25

see 25.

29. Votes CKD as he is now "up for grabs". Note that his only reason to suspect at this point that he's stated is back in 18. Again, quick wagoning.

my instinctual suspicion of him accumulated over several of his posts, although it did taper off a little later on.

30. Says he has "a number of town reads and no terribly strong scum reads" despite the 8-long list earlier of those he'd lynch.

if i had strong scum reads then my list of ideal lynches would be considerably shorter.

31. Addresses things not meant at him, Explains the hop off of me as him thinking I had some town cred (as opposed to Oooh, new wagon- Shiny!). Revotes me.

you seemed to be directing all three at me, but if you'll look again you'll see i was unsure of whether or not you actually were. i revoted you due to a reread of your iso. and to the fact that your recent contributions were garbage.

32. Fluff

bullshit, gorrad. you failed to rebut my defenses and i called you out on it. jesus christ.

33. Actualy content, isos Runner, Katsuki, IAAU, and werewolf. Suspicion on all but IIAU.

are you trying to insinuate that expressing reasoned suspicion of three players in a large normal is scummy, or are you just posting iioa again?

34. Lynch list is up to 9.

yup.

35. Make that 10. (nearly half the town)

oh, my bad, i don't generate fifteen town reads on day one. i must be scum.

36-37. Asks for Clarification from DGB. That's reasonable.

do i get a sticker?

38. fluff

i really have to wonder whether or not you actually comprehend the words that enter your field of vision. i asked dgb a question about jerbs and in her response she (1) failed to answer and (2) deflected onto another player. i called her out on it. but you're right, of course! how could i not have realized it all along? calling someone out for deflecting is an irrefutable scum tell and i should be lynched for it. WAHOO.

The vast majority of Nocase's play has been defensive

no.

gut-read

yes.

bandwagoning

no.

you're shooting 33%. that's a failing grade in the u.s. school system, you know.

[nocase]

katsuki is town.

er, wait, i must wagoning someone here.

[nocase]

Generally, a townie would try and get the #1 most scummy instead of going for the easier lynch.

gorrad was (and continues to be) the more popular wagon.

looking at nocases rebuttal of gorrads attack, it looks really bad from gorrads point of view.

could you elaborate? what does "bad" mean?

[nocase]

Nocase's Iso:
0-2: Claims to have a PR, runs with it. I think his PR is not being able to use caps.

reaction test, and wrong.

A reaction test that accomplished nothing but a false start and confusion. Not scummy, but worthless. Unless, of course, you can point out things that came from it?

3-4: RVS. To those who claim there wasn't an RVS, you're full of it.

that vote was not random; chevre and ckd tickled my gut. thanks for the attempt at trivialization, though; i really dig it.

Ah, so you couldn't even bother to post 'gut' as a reason for those. You just jumped on them without a word.

5: More PR bull

more reaction-testing pr bull.

Again, worthless. Did anything come of it?

6: Fluff

nope. it references the nuts reactions to my post restriction claim.

It did not contribute, it had no point, and I doubt even you can frame it as an ATTEMPT to contribute. It doesn't matter what it references, it's fluff.

7-8: Jumps on the gut-Gorrad wagon.

cyberbob and i both found your post scummy. i was the first to vote but good try.

Again, a wagon isn't defined by who votes, it's by the feel of the thing. CB started the movement and you joined it.

9. Fluff

nope. post 50 (yours) was loaded with nauseating rhetoric.

And how does 'lol rhetoric' (your exact phrase) say that? It doesn't invoke any reactions. It doesn't attack me, it doesn't do anything. You stand on the sidelines and make a useless comment.

10. Admits PR was bull

"admits" characterizes it as reluctant or sheepish. it wasn't and i don't know how you could really think it was. i wasn't going to prolong the test indefinitely.

Ok, confesses. States even. Semantics. It was pointless bull.

(Note: To those counting who are saying I had too much fluff, he's has 2/11 posts at this point that actually contribute)
11. "Everyone jump on the gut wagon"

yup. scummy how?

Because you're telling everyone to jump on a wagon that, by definition, has NO BASIS in fact. That's what makes it gut. You're relying on feeling rather than scumtells or other evidence.

12. Jumps to a gut wagon on Runner, asks for clarification regarding "Dutch, are you scum?" post.

no one was voting runner at the time but thanks for once again falsely stating that my vote was not the first on a given player.

I'll admit, that one's my bad. Still, gut. BAD.

13. Defends against SpyreX

are you trying to make a point?

It's always been my belief that scum have more to gain by defending than town. Scum's goal is to stay alive. Town's goal is to lynch scum. Town make logical decisions based on reasoning, even if their reasoning isn't stated (See:DGB) while scum have no reasoning, and have posts that either defend themselves or are votes based on 'gut'.

14. Votes Chevre for Indecisiveness (a fair charge)

aw, thanks for the seal of approval. it means a lot to me.

Sarcasm. That's original!

15. Gut read (again) on Xalxe

again, iioa.

As stated above, gut reads as pretty much your only tell is crazy scummy.

16-17. Immediately jumps to Xalxe as soon as Chevre and Farside start to talk about him.

no, i jumped to xalxe because my read on chevre changed.

Which you state where? I call BS.

18. Asks why Seraphim went through the trouble of color-coordinating Chevre's WoT, then FoS's CKD (following my calling CKD out on his statement)

more iioa. make a goddamn point. there's nothing to indicate that my reestablished suspicion of ckd was strictly bandwagoning on your suspicion of him.

You deny it then? Once more, BS. Give me proof ANYWHERE in your posts of where you expressed suspicion of CKD so that you would fos him at this point. No, it was strictly bandwagoning off me.

19. Explains his vote on Xalxe. Good reasoning. First post of his I like.

thanks! all i ever wanted was to please you!

Once more, awesome sarcasm.

20. Fluff

no. pushing to see how he would respond.

You and your pointless posts that you push as response-fishing. Once more, unless it accomplishes something, it's fluff. You can't just retcon and some that some pointless thing you said was reaction-fishing. Would you believe me if I said my posts at Korlash were reaction fishing? I has as much evidence that they were as you have that these are.

21. Confirms Xalxe-hate.

hey, look, another instance of FAILURE TO MAKE A POINT. i wasn't confirming xalxe-hate; i was confirming the uniqueness of xalxe's scummy attributes.

It's a PBPA. I can't find something scummy in every post you make, though you make it pretty easy for me.

22. List of people he'd vote for. List is 8 people long, 3 of which he hasn't mentioned in any prior posts.

you caught me.

Damn skippy I did.

23. Presses Xalxe lightly.

no, actually, this post is an instance of what we english speakers refer to as ASKING A QUESTION HEHEHAHAHA.

Oooooookaaaaay what's with the laugh? Anyhow. You're pressing him lightly for information by asking him an easy question. There. Better?

24. Agrees with DGB that Farside's reaction is weird, but goes on to say that it IS scummy, whereas DGB said it was not from a scum perspective. Also does so two pages after DGB's comment.

cute. another non-point.

My point is that you misrepped DGB two pages after the statement. The main thing I want to know is why you did so so late?

25. Confirms his Gorrad-hate is gut based, then cops out on explanation by just citing SpyreX

i voiced suspicion of you in the nascency of this game. the hunch stuck and i liked spyrex's case. but you're right. i'll never DARE to appreciate another player's theory again.

That's not the point. The point is you made NO CASE of your own. Pun not intended.

26. And on that note, as soon as I call him out, he votes me! (on gut + SpyreX's case)

the vote immediately followed chevre's wall. the wagon on chevre and chevre's overwhelming towniness were the direct cause of my vote.

So....you unvoted Xalxe...and voted me...because Chevre sounded town? The heck?

27. Tells chevre to vote me "if you value your life". AKA "Hey, want to not get lynched? Move the wagon to this guy."

yes, that's exactly what i was saying. there's nothing remotely anti-town about urging a fellow townie to vote a player who's actually suspicious in order to stay alive.

You were using basically bargaining with Chevre's life to get her to do what you wanted. I would call that pretty bleedin' anti-town.

28. See 25

see 25.

See 25.

29. Votes CKD as he is now "up for grabs". Note that his only reason to suspect at this point that he's stated is back in 18. Again, quick wagoning.

my instinctual suspicion of him accumulated over several of his posts, although it did taper off a little later on.

And you stated this where? This is why you say things. Because otherwise, when you claim you felt them later, you have no evidence to back you up.

30. Says he has "a number of town reads and no terribly strong scum reads" despite the 8-long list earlier of those he'd lynch.

if i had strong scum reads then my list of ideal lynches would be considerably shorter.

So you'd lynch someone without a strong scum read on them? That is what we would call BAD.

31. Addresses things not meant at him, Explains the hop off of me as him thinking I had some town cred (as opposed to Oooh, new wagon- Shiny!). Revotes me.

you seemed to be directing all three at me, but if you'll look again you'll see i was unsure of whether or not you actually were. i revoted you due to a reread of your iso. and to the fact that your recent contributions were garbage.

Which once more, you obviously stated clearly at the time. Why in the nine rings should I believe a thing you are claiming? You revoted me as soon as you thought I was attacking you.

32. Fluff

bullshit, gorrad. you failed to rebut my defenses and i called you out on it. jesus christ.

No, you defended against things that weren't meant towards you. We were not debating at the time.

33. Actually content, isos Runner, Katsuki, IAAU, and werewolf. Suspicion on all but IIAU.

are you trying to insinuate that expressing reasoned suspicion of three players in a large normal is scummy, or are you just posting iioa again?

IIOA. As said, it's a PBPA. That means I put in every post.

34. Lynch list is up to 9.

yup.

One worse than 8.

35. Make that 10. (nearly half the town)

oh, my bad, i don't generate fifteen town reads on day one. i must be scum.

So you're saying that anyone on whom you don't have a town read is a lynchable target? That's not scummy, that's just horrible play!

36-37. Asks for Clarification from DGB. That's reasonable.

do i get a sticker?

Yes. It's a scratch and sniff I stuck to the bottom of the pool.

38. fluff

i really have to wonder whether or not you actually comprehend the words that enter your field of vision. i asked dgb a question about jerbs and in her response she (1) failed to answer and (2) deflected onto another player. i called her out on it. but you're right, of course! how could i not have realized it all along? calling someone out for deflecting is an irrefutable scum tell and i should be lynched for it. WAHOO.

That's not 'calling someone out'. That is, once more, making a smarmy remark from the sidelines to which no one will react and calling it content.

And this is why I don't make isos. Because they always result in gorram WoT wars ><

i win.

[nocase]

actually, i'll bite. like so many other godforsaken players on this site you obviously don't get how intuition functions. rather than pompously lecture you about it i'll just pompously tell you to google "gary klein." your isolation of "feeling" from "evidence" is just plain wrong.

the rest of what you say utterly fails to do, um, anything, so i'ma let it fester.

[nocase]

au contraire

, further evidence that chevre is a townie who's been poking around on her own.

fos: katsuki.

@chevre

, i would rather not waste my time justifying to you something that i do habitually.

[nocase]

unvote. vote: werewolf555.

mentlegen, we've found today's lynch.

[nocase]

kmd looks fairly town to me. proceed with werewolf wagon please.

[nocase]

dgb, why again are kmd's

reckless ridiculousness town tell

and evidently thought-through attacks on the shepherds of this game scummy?

[nocase]

stop being artsy and answer.

[nocase]

antihero, please stop falling for it.

[nocase]

there comes a point when you need to stop allowing her to walk all over you with her bullshit. do you really think she believes what she's saying?

[nocase]

it's because i'm town and your "wot" fails to argue otherwise.

[nocase]

^ lynch.

[nocase]

dgb just became as insufferable as adel. excuse me while i lurk through the rest of this game.

[nocase]

What is DGB doing thats insufferable?

refusing to answer simple questions as a point of her unparalleled artsy individuality and general amazingness.

[nocase]

i've got some catching up to do.

[nocase]

chevre wagon—wed, jan 26, 2011, 10:13 pm: seraphim, inhimshallibe, jerbs, katsuki, xalxe, cyberbob, werewolf555, drippinggoofball, farside 22. there are one or two scum on this wagon at a bear minimum.

seraphim

posts: 10
status: lurking
alignment: scum

iso. 0: "Also until nocase posts something legitimate regarding a post restriction I'm just going to ignore it wheee." perspective of a townie hunting scum plus self-conscious cautious choice not to analyze—does not compute.

iso. 1: claiming to have done the direct opposite of what he had previously implied. ". . . just going to ignore it whey" plus ". . . he didn't have a post restriction which was my suspicion all along"—does not compute.

iso. 2: states that he voted chevre because "her posting concerning nocase's 'post restriction' sat afoul." i got a similar feeling so +empathy for this post.

iso. 3: brain atrophy. the laziness with respect to chevre's iron curtain is yecch, but i might be able to live with it if not for the flagrant disregard for the remaining 99% of the game's players and events. i score this a d- for suck.

iso. 4: foses antihero after antihero calls him out. initially i respected the reasoning but looking back i can't make any sense of it whatsoever. this is the first time he has paid attention to anyone other than chevre, and he does so reactively.

iso. 5: beats the stupendously dead horse by breaking down chevre's wall into "fluff," "information," and "opinions" increments. in other words: spends what must have been a fair bit of time going through with an action that is itself information instead of analysis. the conclusion is no more than a reiteration of the overwhelming consensus.*

iso. 6: spends his longest post of the game affirming and defending his flimsy case on chevre. briefly defends gored and states a town read on him along with two others. briefly foses spyrex on account of being "a non-presence" and "incredibly indecisive" and reaffirms his antihero fos, sheeping cyberbob's argument.^†

iso. 7: appeals to the game's shepherdess.

iso. 8: lol.

iso. 9: lolol.

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* the big tell. were seraphim town he would not go out of his way to do this. first, it doesn't actually help the case against chevre as the amount of analysis in her post has already been agreed upon as minimal. second, the task may not have taken seraphim as long to complete as i suspect, but it most definitely did take a fair bit of time, and a townie would not commit that much time to an analysis (farce of an analysis, as far as i'm concerned, since the fractional breakdown of chevre's post is strictly informative rather than analytical) that only concludes with a reiteration of the consensus; this betrays a disinterest in reaching out and actually looking for scum.
^† prior to this post, seraphim had stated two foses (chevre and antihero) and zero town reads. in fact, he pretty much ignored every last player in the game barring chevre and, fleetingly, antihero. here he added another fos (spyrex) and listed three town reads (ckd, gorrad, and jerbs). total number of reads: six. total number of reads on players previously IGNORED, 100%: four.

hos: seraphim.

we lynch him after we lynch werewolf.

[nocase]

in fact,

unvote; vote: seraphim

.

[nocase]

because a year of experience is so noob.

[nocase]

seraphim is guilty until proven innocent. if you're gonna refuse to vote him then you need to wax mind-numbingly eloquent on why he's town or i day-vig all of you.

Honestly? Because it was silly.

oh look more scum bells.

[nocase]

because a year of experience is so noob.

Complete misrepresentation to push the lynch forwards....

I have been here for 5 months.
Honestly, this is really scummy.
It seems as if all you are trying to do is push the lynch and you don't care if you have to make up statistics to do it.
VOTE: nocase

i am beginning to question my views on the natural right to life.

1. it was sarcastic.
2. it did not refer to you.
3. i am not even voting you.
4. it was sarcastic and did not refer to you.
5. it was sarcastic and i am not even voting you.
6. it did not refer to you and i am not even voting you.
7. i am not even voting you.
8. i am not even voting you.

[nocase]

at this point i'm back to being perfectly content with lynching werewolf; there are players who drop dumb town tells and then there are players who are so !!!! that they're far more likely to be utterly incompetent and clumsy scum.

but i still fancy a seraphim lynch because he's scum too.

[nocase]

I will say that I don't like nocase and DGB starting a spankin' new wagon presumably for shits and giggles though.

do you fucking read?

[nocase]

oh, my bad, i was unaware that later reanalysis of a given player's behavior is anathema in a game of mafia.

unvote. vote: werewolf555.

[nocase]

lurking really isn't the big tell. his blatant focus on the easy and popular target and the exclusion—except for somewhere between one and three posts total—of literally NINETEEN OTHER PLAYERS is really blindingly

not

town behavior. a townie, at least a townie with a measure of intelligence and/or experience (both of which seraphim has plenty of), automatically thinks to maintain a broad perspective, keep an eye on at least the majority of players. that's what you do when you look for scum. there's no sign of seraphim doing that; in fact, there's evidence that very strongly implies the opposite.

[nocase]

also meant to include that, in all honesty, i'm perfectly satisfied with giving werewolf the old necktie. he's plenty scummy, and even if he's town i frankly could think of twenty other players in this game i'd rather have by my side in times of WAR.

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if that was a sarcastic one-up of the rest of us bitches who enjoy seeing people get their comeuppance then my mind = somewhat blown at the awesome new level of greatness that the last page or two took this game to.

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pro-town ≠ explaining every little think you do, especially when it's obvious.

i didn't think i was being nice to chevre.

even if i was being nice to chevre, i don't see how that's a scum team tell, but cool.

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also CAN WE PLEASE GET ON WITH THE LYNCH. if you don't want to lynch werewolf then get over it, that's who we're lynching today. i've got ants in my goddamn pants.

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oh, and also in response to yabbaguy:

i was hesitant about voting chevre because i wasn't sure, because (GASP!) we were TWO PAGES INTO THE GAME SHOCKING I KNOW.

i didn't vote xalxe because i didn't yet feel he had overtaken chevre.

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Point one is irrelevant.

relevant to what chevre was just spewing, not to you.

Basically, you interact with Chevre in a noticeably different way than the other players. Phrases such as "I guess" and "would rather not" are the bits of conservative language that you've used with Chevre and, as far as I can tell, nobody else. That's the niceness of it all.

k.

Attacking Chevre less forcefully leads to her not looking like as much of a big deal. That's where the scum motive enters.

i attacked her less forcefully because my read on her was not strong.

I'm not going to stop trying for Chevre and you. It will happen.

all right, enjoy your stay.

pfft. You clearly thought her as the as-sure-as-can-be suspect then.

bullshit.

don't believe you as Town

wow, you must have quite the meta on me.

timidness

stop misconstruing uncertainty as timidity.

Saw that coming. The problem is that you have everything to gain as scum for swapping at that point. That Chevre wagon was gaining steam then, and you slipped out the back only then. The fact of the matter is that your timing sucks and that this argument hits a brickwall automatically.

my argument is perfectly reasonable. your confirmation bias is awesome.

i love all the vets in this game who think they can call scum teams on day one. here i was thinking that an ounce of experience would urge otherwise.

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That's where the brickwall hits- you jumped off at a very scum-opportune time.

like i said, confirmation bias.

You trying to slap me (and others?) in the face with the "i love all the vets in this game who think they can call scum teams on day one." line is laughable.

okay. let's both agree to withhold judgment until the game ends or we see the relevant flips.

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please finish off werewolf.

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i was thinking inhimshallibe was town due to his strong arrival on the scene and to the facts that we behaved with similar erraticism, or whatever you would call it, and that we seemed to be thinking on the same wavelength in a lot of respects. but his recent lack of effort makes me wonder if that was a charade because he knew that'd be a great way to fit in with me, dgb, and similar roflcopters.

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on the other hand, the lack of effort has been global.

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on the other hand, the lack of effort has been global.

After penance... redemption.

hey, look, a rapid response! you're obviously keeping up with the thread. that means you should be doing you-know-what.

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your meta on me really sucks. i don't always generate reads as quickly as you insist. in fact, i'd say my reads either flip-flop or fence-sit as often as they stick.

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that's what i meant. if you have enough time to read this page and continue a conversation then you have time to contribute.

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player

x

is easy to lynch, therefore player

x

is town.

they could build monuments to my powers of deduction.

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werewolf is an easy noobish player and noobish players are never scum

fixed for you.

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i am crypto. sorry for the confusion. i'll quote again for the hell of it.

player

x

is easy to lynch, therefore player

x

is town.

they could build monuments to my powers of deduction.

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i wasn't simplifying your argument; i was translating dgb's.

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fine.

unvote. vote: gorrad.

but if we lynch town today and werewolf is alive on day two then we will be seriously set back.

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Then if gorrad is wrong and I dont get the OMG LAZERS perhaps someone could help make the dream a reality.

why . . . would you even make this post?

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and werewolf is alive on day two

Coaching? Scumtell++

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Don't give me that, you're almost literally saying "hmmm yase if this person were to not die this town shure would be in trouble!!!" If you don't see the potential ramifications of that kind of thing then I don't know what to tell you.

It's terribly anti town at the very least.

are you SERIOUSLY arguing that the mafia doesn't already know not to kill werewolf?

Xtoxm

holy fucking shit.

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are you SERIOUSLY arguing that the mafia doesn't already know not to kill werewolf?

Vigs.

okay, i don't think i understand your point. a vig should absolutely shoot werewolf. what i said does nothing to decrease the likelihood of that.

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fine, WHATEVA.

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that last post by gorrad didn't look contrived.

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then again, i fancy the notion of knocking all my critics out of the game, so drop that hammer!

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OH LOOK WHO WAS SCUM.

I AM NOW 1/1. SHEEP ME.

VOTE: XTOXM.

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well, 1/2.

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not seein' it.

lynch xtoxm right fucking now.

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lynch xtoxm.

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the take-home is

lynch xtoxm.

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this should not be a difficult choice.

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nope.

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lynch xtoxm.

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hate is a strong word. it also happens to be extraordinarily relevant to my feelings toward each and every one of you.

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fucking. infuriating

seraphim commits scum tells of volcanic proportions and then xtoxm makes a triumphantly lackluster appearance, promises content, and then lurks. and yes, for the total morons out there, "and then lurks" entails that he has not followed up with content.

i am toying with the idea that there are two scum teams and that both targeted farside22. if this is the case then ckd is a bad guy.

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@nocase: Multi-Mafia and a Serial Killer? Run me through that, I don't find the likelihood of that high at all.

okay then let's lynch xtoxm.

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lynch xtoxm.

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i love when scum are 100% obvious and artsy townies insist on not lynching them.

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CKD = "oof"

This Antihero wagon is terribad.

unvote
vote: Xtoxm

nocase is a good guy and he plays mafia smart and doesn't afraid.

you are trying too hard and that makes you scummy.

finally something worth commenting on today.

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chevre, i've already explained why seraphim is scum, why xtoxm is scum, and why the seraphim-xtoxm slot is scum.

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i am arguing with her without accusing her because i think she is an idiotic townie. what about this is so hard for you to understand?

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@Nocase:

Will you apologise when I turn up town, or is it my fault for being too scummy? Aptly named account, by the way.

HEY, LOOK, GUYS, EVIDENCE THAT XTOXM DID NOT READ THE THREAD.

chevre wagon—wed, jan 26, 2011, 10:13 pm: seraphim, inhimshallibe, jerbs, katsuki, xalxe, cyberbob, werewolf555, drippinggoofball, farside 22. there are one or two scum on this wagon at a bear minimum.

seraphim

posts: 10
status: lurking
alignment: scum

iso. 0: "Also until nocase posts something legitimate regarding a post restriction I'm just going to ignore it wheee." perspective of a townie hunting scum plus self-conscious cautious choice not to analyze—does not compute.

iso. 1: claiming to have done the direct opposite of what he had previously implied. ". . . just going to ignore it whey" plus ". . . he didn't have a post restriction which was my suspicion all along"—does not compute.

iso. 2: states that he voted chevre because "her posting concerning nocase's 'post restriction' sat afoul." i got a similar feeling so +empathy for this post.

iso. 3: brain atrophy. the laziness with respect to chevre's iron curtain is yecch, but i might be able to live with it if not for the flagrant disregard for the remaining 99% of the game's players and events. i score this a d- for suck.

iso. 4: foses antihero after antihero calls him out. initially i respected the reasoning but looking back i can't make any sense of it whatsoever. this is the first time he has paid attention to anyone other than chevre, and he does so reactively.

iso. 5: beats the stupendously dead horse by breaking down chevre's wall into "fluff," "information," and "opinions" increments. in other words: spends what must have been a fair bit of time going through with an action that is itself information instead of analysis. the conclusion is no more than a reiteration of the overwhelming consensus.*

iso. 6: spends his longest post of the game affirming and defending his flimsy case on chevre. briefly defends gored and states a town read on him along with two others. briefly foses spyrex on account of being "a non-presence" and "incredibly indecisive" and reaffirms his antihero fos, sheeping cyberbob's argument.^†

iso. 7: appeals to the game's shepherdess.

iso. 8: lol.

iso. 9: lolol.

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* the big tell. were seraphim town he would not go out of his way to do this. first, it doesn't actually help the case against chevre as the amount of analysis in her post has already been agreed upon as minimal. second, the task may not have taken seraphim as long to complete as i suspect, but it most definitely did take a fair bit of time, and a townie would not commit that much time to an analysis (farce of an analysis, as far as i'm concerned, since the fractional breakdown of chevre's post is strictly informative rather than analytical) that only concludes with a reiteration of the consensus; this betrays a disinterest in reaching out and actually looking for scum.
^† prior to this post, seraphim had stated two foses (chevre and antihero) and zero town reads. in fact, he pretty much ignored every last player in the game barring chevre and, fleetingly, antihero. here he added another fos (spyrex) and listed three town reads (ckd, gorrad, and jerbs). total number of reads: six. total number of reads on players previously IGNORED, 100%: four.

hos: seraphim.

we lynch him after we lynch werewolf.

. . . xtoxm makes a triumphantly lackluster appearance, promises content, and then lurks. and yes, for the total morons out there, "and then lurks" entails that he has not followed up with content.

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yeah enjoy reading something i posted 5 months ago.

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ckd's reaction is cool.

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why would xtoxm-scum come out with a pr claim so quickly, which relatively few townies really chomping at his heels?

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the certainty that inhim is expressing in his latest posts makes me uneasy. i'm not sure he should be so confident in so quick a diagnosis of the situation.

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you were a stupid investigation if xtoxm is legit.

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wait, what actually caused your inhim vote?

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His attitude towards Xtoxm.

yeah okay so we're on the same wavelength.

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it appears i've been gravely mistaken.

unvote. vote: inhimshallibe.

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oh, okay.

unvote. vote: chevre.

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wait, no.

unvote. vote: cyberbob.

sorry.

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unvote.

what does everyone think about inhimshallibe?

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i was about to jump in the "chevre's been sucking today" camp but i decided to reread her in iso. to make sure, and what she has produced looks pretty good.

god, i'm so apathetic.

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all right *straps on helmet*

vote: spyrex

.

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by crom

proceed with bandwagon.

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FINE.

unvote. vote: chevre.

anything to move this glacier forward.

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i'm voting chevre because i'm bored as fuck, the game isn't moving forward, and my town read on her is weak.

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would rather ride the spell out.

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i feel for inhim. the town reads are not coming easily.

Cyberbob
SpyreX
curiouskarmadog
Chevre
inHimshallibe
Korlash

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i'm increasingly uncomfy about cyberbob.