Open 242 - Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over!)

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Haylen

Because she's hot

Vote: Jordan

Because he's NOT!

BM

[Battle Mage]

You wouldn't mind getting an avatar, would you, BattleMage?

Lmao.

What's your meta on CSL?

@Jordan - ya ugly scrot! lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

@ BM: We don't like scum round here one jot
By the end of the day, in the ground you'll rot

I'm hearing allegations an awful lot
maybe you're paranoid from all that pot?
or perhaps i'll retaliate, and then guess what?
Tomorrow in the morning, i'll wind up shot!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Oh dear bro you must be mad
Your scumhunting skills gone bad
You best retire now, lest you'll be sad
Besides there's a free bus pass to be had!

My scumhunting skills are as fresh as can be
and as honed and as toned as a younger Bruce Lee
Age equals wisdom, my fluffy-tailed friend
you're crazy, and you'll eat your words in the end.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You need checked out, you've gone soft in the head
Just like Bruce Lee, your hunting skills are dead
You must go home, you'd better go to bed
Or you will hang, you'd best carefully tread

If you're checking me out, can i see your credentials?
You look vaguely familiar as one of the... residentials.
You're diagnosed as scumbag, and is it just me,
or are we gonna have a lot of fun updating your CV?

Jordan, Lynched Day 1.

BM

[Battle Mage]

*hums tune to "Blues Clues"* lol

Facts are for losers. Proof is for goons.
Evidence sought only by looney toons!
Mafia is for men, not for babboons!
Why dontcha stick to kids parties, blowing....vuvuzelas!

Too soon?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Just because my rhymes are potent, there's no cause to cry
no need to wonder what i think, although you may ask why.
For I'm still mourning for the death of my good buddy Battousai
Oh how could you murder such an extraordinary guy? lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

just thinking, we should probably give the RVS a miss...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Bye Zwet! lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

just thinking, we should probably give the RVS a miss...

BM

why? lol

Because it only helps the scum ascertain who are likely to be masons.

Unvote, Vote: DarkLightA

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage

Claim: Vanilla

No time to reply now. Will be on in a few hours if i'm still alive! If not, good luck.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, i'm back

Unvote

Let me catch up.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wtf?

*Checks post count* Total posts:13213

Scum ftw?

You're judging my affiliation based on postcount? Lol, nice one.

Yeah, i've got over 120 completed games on this site. Doesn't mean i cant self-vote. And apparently, it doesnt mean i cant get lynched on Page 3.

Yeah, wtf? I guess his title is Jester........ But WHY? So.... much..... confusion..... brain...... exploding.....

My title is Jester because i used to have a habit of being lynched as town in every game i played, because for some reason, everyone naturally assumes im scum. I guess it's just my demeanour. I come across like a right bastard. lol

The Jester thing sorta stopped once i had it as a title (i guess people realised that they need to meta me before coming to a conclusion). Evidently, since i returned to the site, it's re-emerged as a problem.

Oh and ftr, i dont explain my votes unless i need to. It's far more informative to wait for people's reactions. Clearly the reaction here was to shit a brick and run me up. lol

Battle Mage, it looks like you are trying to defuse your wagon with a joke. Do you think the wagon on you has no reasoning behind it? Where do you go from here to end joking and begin scumhunting?

The self-vote was a shock-tactic. I've done it before and it tends to reduce mindless wagonning and provoke discussion. On the flipside, getting lynched on Page 3 is never particularly flattering, so i'm more comfortable emphasising how ridiculous it is, with a self-vote.
I'll review the wagon in a sec. But i dont think there is much/any reasoning behind it, no.
Your last comment is harsh. I'll ISO you as well.

BM

[Battle Mage]

There once was a BM from UK,
Who rhymed whatever Jordan did say.
Though his ISO is a quick study,
It looks like an attempt to buddy,
Which makes him a good lynch To-day.

unvote;
Vote: Battle Mage

Because post 36 isnt buddying? lol

Me and Jordan are good friends irl. We were just playing around.

Unvote
Vote: BM

No reasoning at all. Complete OMGUS.

Ooh, that was stealthy. I had assumed that the vote was for jordan. Sneaking in a vote for a person completely unrelated to your post?

Vote: BM

I do that in every single game i play. My vote had a reason. I just didnt feel obliged to share it. It certainly wasnt "sneaked in".

No please no more poems.

Unvote; Vote; BM

L-2 speedlynch!

Zwet. Town.

That's my wagon. Bollocks right?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Jahudo iso was an anti-climax. 3 posts... and you're giving me a lecture on lack of scumhunting? Christ...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Gandalf

How's about that then?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote
Vote: BM

No reasoning at all. Complete OMGUS.

No, my reasoning is that you don't have a reasoning, along with the picture that you so stealthily cut out...

Your vote on me is because i voted without a reason in the RVS?

Your vote on me is retrospectively because i didnt re-post some pathetic little picture, after the vote had taken place?

My vote on you, by the looks of it, was for your blatant buddying in post 36? Hardly surpising is it.

I guess i'll bite. Link me to your newbie game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You voted without a reason right after you said we should skip the RVS.

I didnt actually vote without a reason. I'm simply saying even if i HAD, it's not entirely beyond comprehension, as it was only page 2?

Nobody has even given due comment to my RVS comment till now, so whatever.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wouldn't you say this looks like you're opting out of RVS, and then voting me without a reason?

Respond to my post properly.

Pro-Tips:

1. Explain why i feel we should not have an RVS in this setup.

2. Link me to your last completed game.

3. Explain to the class why you haven't unvoted, and perhaps more importantly, apologised.

When you've done that, we can talk.

BM

@Gandalf - Ok buddy, you can do point 1 as well then. My vote stands.

[Battle Mage]

Ah, forgot i already expanded. Smooth. Now, in light of my vanilla-claim i hope you can see why my argument doesn't apply to me, so it would be perfectly acceptable for me to continue to random-vote.

However, as i did have good reason to vote for you, this is obsolete.

This argument is pointless. I'll post my final thoughts, then you can mercy-lynch me. Easy peasy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

good. this game is not fun.

my prediction for scum-trio is: Jordan, Gandalf, DarklightA. Could be 2 of those and a lurker though, given how things have panned out.

Probably best lynching Jordan last of those 3. Gut feeling.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Gandalf

Ooh, that was stealthy. I had assumed that the vote was for jordan. Sneaking in a vote for a person completely unrelated to your post?

Vote: BM

Nonsensical tag-along vote.

Yeah, wtf? I guess his title is Jester........ But WHY? So.... much..... confusion..... brain...... exploding.....

Here Gandalf is perplexed by my self-vote, but doesn't seem to assume i'm scum. Effectively, he is confused because he knows i'm town, and i've just put myself at -1.

Uh, yeah we had [commented on my suggestion we don't random vote]. W/E.

Reread says this is a lie. Your validation for your vote was that i had "slipped in a vote" or something, for whatever reason.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Oooooh, this is gonna be fun!

What's your meta on CSL?

Not sure why you're asking DarkLightA for his meta on CSL, when CSL already provided meta himself with DarkLightA. So basically, this question has already been answered by CSL, which makes the question kind of redundant.

How do you figure that? Why would Darklight's meta on CSL be the same as CSL's meta on Darklight? Presumably the purpose of my question was to compare the former to the latter.

Because it only helps the scum ascertain who are likely to be masons.

Unvote, Vote: DarkLightA

Since you're apparently not in RVS, could you mind explaining your vote on DarkLightA?

I believe i already have, at least once. I voted him for buddying.

Secondly, how in the world would RVS make scum certain who are likely masons? This makes no sense. Also not sure how DarkLightA relates to the brief discussion you had between him and JordanA24 regarding ending the RVS and how RVS is where scum can find likely masons (Which I said made no sense).

It's simple. Masons who wish to claim later, would be well disposed not to random-vote each other, as it would not support their claim. Also, the more random bandwagons we have, the more likely we run a mason close to a lynch, and their buddies are forced to claim. Do you really want me to delve further into scum strategy? lol

You're a vet, and are quite capable of understanding the game mechanic. So what's the deal?

Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage

Claim: Vanilla

No time to reply now. Will be on in a few hours if i'm still alive! If not, good luck.

BM

As you weren't in any danger of a lynch, I personally felt that claiming was seriously unecessary and you put yourself in danger of being Night Killed if you're town.

I was at -1. For no reason whatsoever. How much credence you give to my claim is up to you. Your last comment makes no sense in light of the second.

Not liking this post at all. Only reason why I'm not raging about the self-vote is because you unvoted yourself.

No, please rage on. It looks like we were finally getting somewhere, but please, feel free to drag us back to Page 2.

No reasoning at all. Complete OMGUS.

Did you read his later posts where he explains his vote on you? To be honest, your vote on DarkLightA was pretty bad from my perspective as well. And this is hypocritical of you considering that your vote lacked reasoning as well.

WRONG WRONG WRONG. My vote lacked STATED reasoning, but did not lack reasoning. It's clear that you haven't read the game, simply skimmed, decided i'm lynchable and tried to set after me. What other explanation is there for the fact your opening analysis seems to be almost entirely criticism of me, with very little comment on anyone else. There's no sign of any objective analysis from you yet.
You are voting for me though, right?

#100 from DarkLightA: This post is really bad. The case on Haylen seems like he's wants to appear that he's not tunneling on Battle Mage instead of a genuine case.

LOL, hypocrite. I dont think we're lynching DarklightA today. Been there, done that.

Unlike Battle Mage's self-vote, Haylen's vote appeared a lot more random and it was more evident that it was during the RVS phase. Self-voting during RVS is not a scum tell,

so you're saying self-voting outside the RVS is a scumtell? Give it a rest! lol

Also, how are jokes and being relaxed a scum tell? Yes we should be serious during serious phases, but that doesn't mean jokes and being relaxed is a scum tell unless the former is excessively abused. DarkLightA is officially streching his case.

Oh good, i'm glad we got an "official" hearing on that.

Town:

gandalf5166, molestargazer, Jahudo, (To a lesser extend), JordanA24.

Neutral:

None so far.

Scum:

DarkLightA, Battle Mage, zwetschenwasser, (To a lesser extend) Haylen

Lurkers:

smashbro_of_the_SSS, CSL

My top suspect is DarkLightA. While I thought his attack against Battle Mage was slightly pro-town, he turns a complete 180 on his play starting with his horrible case on Haylen which he fails to support. He isn't even voting someone now, instead simply FoSing zwetschenwasser without really explaining his suspicion on him. The scumminess of his recent posts exceed Battle Mage's post.

Battle Mage is also suspicious. While his play is better later on, his early play was pretty scummy, and he's a decent candidate for today. Will support his lynch if DarkLightA doesn't get through.

I'm not seeing this. The majority of your post was set out as a pre-meditated attack on me, and then at the last minute, you back out and gun for DarkLightA? Gimme some examples of my play being "better later on".

I will happily lynch you today for that bs opener.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Good summary, though I think mole has provided about as much content as Haylen. Although if this is a content contest we should all be losing.

Good summary? Could you quickly respond as i have to each of SSBF's points, and prove to me that it's a "good summary". It scarcely contains an iota of sincerity.

And now a little update on Gandalf:

(The following posts are in chronological order)

I agree about Shotty. And I don't know what to say about the misrep thing. That's honestly what I perceived. I don't know why I forgot to

unvote

earlier, though. He's explained himself well enough for me.

//Gandalf admits he was mistaken, and claims that BM has explained himself sufficiently.

You know SSBF is town when he uses links. Joking aside, I agree with most of his reads

//Gandalf claims to agree with SSBF's reads, which have BM as 2nd scum suspect. But, didnt he just say he felt BM had explained himself sufficiently? Seems like the mask has slipped.
SSBF's major read is allegedly that DarklightA is his number 1 scum suspect and the lynch for today. But Gandalf has yet to say anything bad about DarklightA to this point. And looking in Iso, he's been very cagey about expressing opinions in general.

So i ask again, what part of SSBF's reads DOES Gandalf agree with? Well i guess it MUST be the fact that SSBF has Gandalf ranked as "town". Nice going deduction. *pats self on back*

Confirm Vote: Gandalf

SSBF tomorrow. Then party?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Some bits and pieces on Jordan:

Sorry gandalf, but what's DMSIS?

why are you apologising?

If Battle Mage is not town in this game I'll eat my hat.

Agreed tbh, though my gut also tells me DarkLight is also probably town, both look as if they're being aggressive and out there and trying to nail scum early, a hallmark of town-BM, so I'm more sure of him atm, but DarkLight also gives me good town vibes because of his actions.

good reads. but...

However, I would love for Ryan to explain this:

whats with the real-name shit? lmao

my prediction for scum-trio is: Jordan, Gandalf, DarklightA. Could be 2 of those and a lurker though, given how things have panned out.

i've explained this sufficiently i think. But now it goes Gandalf, SSBF, Jordan. You're on my radar, but not getting lynched in the immediate future without further discussion.

As for Gandalf, I don't really see what's so scummy about him right now, seems to be contributing well enough so far, the accusation of following seems harsh, though his little tryst with Zwet seems a little like banter between scumbuddies, but on his own, Gandalf has not really done anything I feel deserves attention.

Nah bro, Gandalf is scum. Trust me.

I think Zwet is probably town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol *facepalm*

Unvote

It's a good claim. Unfortunately, that means we need to completely re-assess the game. Will reread now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why We Are Not Lynching Zwetschenwasser Today

No please no more poems.

Unvote; Vote; BM

L-2 speedlynch!

Openly states he is performing an action that is frowned upon. Welcomes suspicion. And as is characteristic of Zwet-town, he wants to just lynch lynch lynch. This is a small town-tell.

Oi!

Unvote

BM is playing his normal town meta.

At this point i was at -1 still, precariously near a lynch, and fairly likely to die. However, Zwet exercises his judgement and meta of me, and wow, would you believe it, SCUMHUNTS, and backs off an easy mislynch. I don't see that from Zwet-scum, do you?? This is a

large

town-tell.

I find that scum use the "confused" gimmick to backpedal after recognizing a mistake.

Zwet attempting to scumhunt. Town-tell.

yay Jordan and Darklight don't know my meta. In other news, I was not joking with gandalf, and what makes me not a hypocrite is the fact that he was only behaving the way I do to draw attention away from the good cases that were being presented against him.

The interesting thing here is that Zwet isn't simply hiding behind his meta like he could. By Zwet's standards, this is a pretty good level of effort and contribution. I think Zwet-scum wouldnt bother pretending to scumhunt.

the two most scummy people in the game claim masons. What's wrong with this picture?

Confirm Vote: DarkLightA

This is not a scumtell for Zwet. It's basically the scum's wet-dream.

That rules out 3 candidates for today. So who's next?

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM...I don't think you quite get it...he's VOTING for CONFIRMED TOWN and saying that they're confirmed scum.

You're being ridiculous. This is Zwet. Trust me, i'm pretty confident he's town. Nobody's saying he's a genius. And besides, the claimed masons are not 100% confirmed town. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

i find it hilarious that some people think the real masons would counter-claim here.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Battle Mage: Who do you propose we lynch today? Deadline is tomorrow, so please hurry up with this question.

Lol, i guess we're No-Lynching then. If we get an extension, i'd like to hear from others first. But rest assured, you are top of my personal list.

Also not liking this contradiction:

That rules out 3 candidates for today.

You say here that it rules out three candidates for today. Then this quote:

And besides, the claimed masons are not 100% confirmed town. lol

You're saying that the claimed masons are not 100% confirmed townies.

Any reason for the contradiction?

Lol, what contradiction? I said the claimed masons are not confirmed town. That doesnt mean we are going to lynch them today. In reality, we dont even need to worry about it until LyLo.

Now you have 2 options. Either:

A. Apologise for misrepresenting me.
or B. Explain in what sense you feel Zwet can be considered confirmed town. Because in the above quote, you assume that he is. I think that's called a slip.

Confirm Vote: SSBF

Ah, you got me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

lmao, brilliant

If the Mod allows it,

Vote: SSBF

with Jordan's vote.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Lol, i guess we're No-Lynching then. If we get an extension, i'd like to hear from others first. But rest assured, you are top of my personal list.

We are not No Lynching today. This is a terrible thing to do Day 1 and hurts us in the long run. Only on rare occasions should we No Lynch and this isn't one of them.

Please bro, please, feel free to say something correct. Anything to plug the steady flow of bile that you're posting atm. No-Lynching on Day 1 is a perfectly acceptable play in this situation if we cant get a wagon on someone who has a good chance of being scum. Zwet does not meet that criteria, and btw, it's exactly your comment above that leads to a shitload of mislynches Day 1, so don't act like the rest of us are idiots or haven't played before, thanks. *Hurls*

Lol, what contradiction? I said the claimed masons are not confirmed town. That doesnt mean we are going to lynch them today. In reality, we dont even need to worry about it until LyLo.

The contradiction is where you rule out zwetchenwasser, DarkLightA, and gandalf5166 as lynch candidates. Then you change the story by saying that the claimed masons are not 100% confirmed townies.

This is the last time i'm gonna bother dignifying you with a proper response. I said we are not lynching Zwet, Darklight or Gandalf today. However, NONE of them, Zwet included, are 100% confirmed town. They are all, very likely town. I can't even imagine how you came to another conclusion.

Now you have 2 options. Either:

A. Apologise for misrepresenting me.
or B. Explain in what sense you feel Zwet can be considered confirmed town. Because in the above quote, you assume that he is. I think that's called a slip.

Wrong, I did not misrep you at all. I attacked you for the contradiction I said above. Noticed that I specified claimed masons, NOT just lump all those three people together. I still think zwetchenwasser is likely scum.

If anything

, you're misrepping what I'm saying.

Haha, oh really? You "attacked" me did you? LMAO
Well, good work! I'm sure everyone here is amazed at your super mafia skillz!

Oh and ftr, it's common courtesy not to tell someone they are wrong when they are correct. There's nothing more irritating than being told in a patronising way that the moon is made of cheeze. Rest assured though, we aren't no-lynching today. And we aren't lynching Zwetchenwasser either.

BM

*Italics to demonstrate lack of conviction in own argument. I has scumhunting skillz too lawl!

[Battle Mage]

gandalf is very quick to mislead town into blindly believing the mason claim.

Are you going to counter-claim?

Actually, 1 day and 3 hours until deadline? I think I found a pro-scum reason for zwet to stay on gandalf. Stalling. He wants a scrambled lynch.

I changed my mind. Zwet is pretty scummy. Is there enough support for a zwet lynch?

I'll reconsider SSBF but I just haven't been feeling that wagon.

Nobody is going to counter-claim. Because there is no good reason for a counter-claim. Simple fact.

That makes no sense btw. Zwet-scum would try and start a new wagon, if you're creditting him with the intelligence u seem to be.

Jahudo, i do have a request for you though. Please comment on SSBF's self-defined "attack" on me, for contradiction. He hasn't done anything protown all game. Can we PLEASE lynch him now??

BM

[Battle Mage]

Jordan is probably scum too. Fake proxy. Ugh, this game is pissing me off.

[Battle Mage]

Honey, i'm home!!

Zwet- why does CSL's replacement here confirm him as town?

The arrival of afatchic doesnt inspire confidence. Still happy with Zwet as town. Jahudo is probably my number one suspect. For some reason, i'm getting good vibes off Mole.

More analysis to come.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Please bro, please, feel free to say something correct. Anything to plug the steady flow of bile that you're posting atm.

No-Lynching on Day 1 is a perfectly acceptable play in this situation if we cant get a wagon on someone who has a good chance of being scum. Zwet does not meet that criteria, and btw, it's exactly your comment above that leads to a shitload of mislynches Day 1

, so don't act like the rest of us are idiots or haven't played before, thanks. *Hurls*

So far, the majority of your case on me has been very weak and definently don't see how I'm scummier then you or zwetchenwasser.

LOL

1. So if we were to not get a bandwagon on a person we think is likely scum, we should go ahead and not lynch at all? A mislynch is better then a No Lynch Day 1 is because we gain more information out of Day 1 by lynching then not lynching at all. We can analyze the mislynch person bandwagon and the mislynch's suspects and go from there, which can be used to find scums. You don't get that oppertunity with a No Lynch.

This is not true. It's not worth lynching probable town simply for "information". That's a cop out.

For those still unclear, the reason we lynched SSBF yesterday was because he blustered in, with a load of shit, that he could not possibly believe. I've played with him before, where he was town, and he talked a good degree of sense, and was NKed early on as a threat to the mafia.

This is the last time i'm gonna bother dignifying you with a proper response. I said we are not lynching Zwet, Darklight or Gandalf today. However, NONE of them, Zwet included, are 100% confirmed town. They are all, very likely town. I can't even imagine how you came to another conclusion.

Fair enough. I do agree that DarkLightA and gandalf5166 are very likely townies, although I still do think zwetchenwasser needs to be lynched today.

Haha, oh really? You "attacked" me did you? LMAO
Well, good work! I'm sure everyone here is amazed at your super mafia skillz!

Yes, I was attacking your play because I (IMO, opinions may vary with other people) found something about your play scummy and I will not ignore it.

In the above quote, SSBF admits his attack on me amounted to nothing. Then, in the next sentence, backtracks, and again claims to find me scummy.

The attack by SSBF on Zwet is another town-tell for Zwet. I dont think SSBF-scum was aiming to bus a buddy on Day 1.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Holy mother of joseph. NEVER use orange when someone in the games on Sepia.

I could see a scumteam made of BM and Zwets with one other. Because of the emotion with which BM has been responding recently, particularly when under fire by SS DEAD GOD PEOPLE, CHOOSE DIFFERENT USERNAMES.

I also note the major defending of Zwets that BM is doing. I think that if one of them is town, then the other has to be two and if one of them is scum then the other must be.

FoS Battle Mage

lmao, emotion is putting it a bit strongly. In any case, if Zwet is town, Haylen is also probably town. citation.

Reading the closing posts of yesterday, i'm less sure on Mole. Jordan says he will post tomorrow morning, and not to replace him.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Mod: Jordan has picked up his prod. He said he will be posting today.

Jahudo- why?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Zwet

Guess we have to now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Zwet, YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID. Confirmed townies + LyLo = town-win almost guaranteed. You kill them off immediately.

Not if you can prevent them from confirming themselves (which would only happen if one of them died).

No, we were confirmed as soon as we claimed. Now die scumz.

disregard everything I've said about masons and confirmed town. I only just realized that this was an open game. *ridiculously embarrassed*

Until this post, i wouldve staked my life on you being town. Now you've basically turned everything on it's head. The best thing is, if you are scum, it will be seriously easy to find your last buddy.

In fact, i'm gonna do that now!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Liking Jahudo as town now. Virtually confirmed town if Zwet is scum.

Obvious lynch tomorrow if Zwet flips scum, is Afatchic. But i could see Molestargazer as a buddy.

Edit: Same with Haylen now.

Edit2: Stop fking preventing me from posting. lmao

BM

[Battle Mage]

Oh looky here! No post from Jordan?

Vote: Jordan

Simply put, if he was town, he would have replaced out. Jordan-scum is virtually assured.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Iso shows that in particular, Jordan is concerned about the replacing in of SSBF, as it could lead to confusion with SSSS. He is particularly nonchalant with regard to Haylen, failing to commit to any sort of read on her. His thoughts on Zwet made up for lack of coherency with excessive conviction. Though with Jordan, this is pretty null.

If Jordan is scum, Haylen is the only obvious partner. Jordan-scum virtually confirms Jahudo as town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The night kill is giving me WIFOM paranoia about mole, so I'm taking a step back from that case for the moment.

Can you fill me in on this one?

BM

[Battle Mage]

The other game I was in has just finished, hopefully now I'll stop procrastinating between the two and actually focus on this one. Looks like my limit of games is... 1 at once.

As much as I'm guilty of hypocrisy (nothing new there), I agree with Jahudo.
Left alive, there is:
- gandalf5166
- molestargazer
- Battle Mage
- JordanA24
- Jahudo
- Haylen
- CSL

Let's discount Gandalf (mason), and myself (obviously).
- Battle Mage
- JordanA24
- Jahudo
- Haylen
- CSL
We have 2 scum in these 5.

Jahudo

- Seems pretty town to me. I've not seen anything in his play which suggests that he's scum, and he seems to play generally well.

Battle Mage

- Ugh. Heavily defended Zwet during D1, who later turned out to be town. Had a mega debate with SSBF, and really gunned for his lynch (See ISO 22, 29-31), which I don't think a scumbuddy would do. I'm going to discount him.

So, 3 are left:
- JordanA24
- Haylen
- CSL

I would be quite happy to bet both scum are in here.

Jordan

- Has had a lot of RL issues, as far as I can make out, but either way, it's led to lurking and him being essentially unreadable.

He's lurker scum i tell you.

CSL

- Between replacements, I can't see enough from either his or afatchic's ISO to merit a read either way.

Zwet seemed certain the CSL abandonment was protown, but Zwet isnt Tubby. I was somewhat persuaded at the time, but CSL probably warrants a reread.

In particular id like to note that he replaced out of this game, but continued to post actively and happily in another, larger game.

Haylen

- Now it's been pointed out, the vote switch does concern me, seeing as it was shortly after my Zwet vote put the Zwet wagon into the lead. Also, in Post 329 Haylen could "see a scumteam made of zwets and BM". 3 posts later, she switches to SSBF who she hadn't commented on at all earlier. It makes little sense to me why she would switch away from someone who:
a) Had the most votes
b) She really seemed to think was scum at the time (see ISO 13 and 14)

VOTE: Haylen

If Haylen was scum:

A. Wouldnt i be dead?
B. Wouldnt CSL be dead? lol

I'm not really seeing Haylen-scum here, as much as i am Jordan-scum.

Jordan is the lynch today. I'd almost stake my life on him being scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Okay, mole is not only scum, but BM is his buddy. CSL, unreadable? He's the most obv town player in this game aside from me.

wtf? lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

The night kill is giving me WIFOM paranoia about mole, so I'm taking a step back from that case for the moment.

Can you fill me in on this one?

Scum should have killed gandalf last night but didn't. They choose SSSS, who was voting mole yesterday. Maybe they wanted to take out a threat to mole or make it look like getting rid of a threat to mole is more important than getting rid of confirmed town.

What conclusion do you draw from the fact that, aside from yourself, nobody has raised the idea of Mole being responsible for the kill last night?

I'm not against lynching mole still, but I want to have a better idea of what Haylen and afatchic are first because I'm pretty confident one of them is scum (by way of process of elimination and SSBF connections mainly).

Why exactly are you so reluctant to lynch Jordan?

Though with Jordan, this is pretty null.

Yay for difficult to read players
I agree he hasn't looked very pro-town by himself, but SSBF's comments about him make me lean Jordan-town right now. Specifically with this quote:

Liked JordanA24's quick case on zwetschenwasser. Not only is he hypocritical in calling gandalf5166 out for vote hopping, he is completely wrong about this. Later explanation about this doesn't change my mind about this. He's an okay lynch IMO.

I think its more likely he would have piggybacked a townie's case than a buddy's. He'd feel more legitimate in taking that stance and maybe start to buddy to a townie in a subtle way.[/quote]

That doesnt strike me as piggy-backing a case. It's a brief endorsement. I could easily see that coming from a buddy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM: I believe that Jordan (and to a lesser extent Haylen) are not lurking.

Then you're wrong. They are close friends of mine irl, and i know for a fact that they have not had limited internet access. Jordan is doing fantasy football for crying out loud! And you really think he's UNABLE to post here? Argh!

@self: NK WIFOM is silly so get over it.
Ok done. mole is a good lynch

Nice try. But we're still lynching Jordan today.

BM

[Battle Mage]

If Haylen was scum:

A. Wouldnt i be dead?
B. Wouldnt CSL be dead? lol

A, B: I have no idea, why would you 2 be dead? Could you explain this?

If Haylen was scum, she would not want to get lynched by me, would know im probably going to keep a closer eye on her than most, and would therefore probably kill me asap. I guess she can elaborate on B if she wishes to defend herself in this way. It's not really appropriate for me to do so.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Haha we have our two scumbags then. I appreciate you guys waiting, but it seems like there was no need. Gandalf and Jahudo are confirmed town, therefore Haylen and CSL are scum. Shouldve seen this coming a long time ago, given they both made it this far. lol

Responses:

Guys, I can pretty much prove that Battle Mage is one of the last two scum.

After CSL voted for him, nobody quick hammered. We all had a chance too as everybody posted. This suggests that either BM is scum with CSL or with Jahudo. Either way, logic and time indicates that Battle Mage is scum. I would be willing to bet that if BM is scum then CSL is scum with him as Jahudo is one of my current town reads.

Rofl! I wasn't at -1. How the hell is anyone going to quickhammer me? For the record, because scum have no ability to co-ordinate timings during the day, they probably wouldnt risk such a strategy. But evidently, we're looking at something completely different.

The most hilarious part of this post is that Haylen claims the lack of a quickhammer means im scum, which assumes CSL is town. She then goes on, to claim that CSL is my partner, which makes her original point defunct. lol

I'm gonna hammer, Haylen speaks the truth. Hence, she's definitely town. I don't know about you, but I don't bring up things that confirm my partner as scum in LyLo after everyone else has forgotten them(events, not player, since BM is obviously a suspect).

Speak now, or forever hold your piece.

*punches wall repeatedly*

I'm starting to understand why you're still alive.

Sorry but there's only so much a person can do when they're moving house. Also, I have answered everything put forward to me and given my opinions. I have no committed any scumtells either. Now why am I scum?

This is bs. You've spent this entire game making excuses for inactivity. Answering questions and giving opinions is a million miles from protown. Have a pleasant death hun.

Battle Mage is obviously not going to be back.

He needs to be either replaced or hammered, IMO.

Yes, because i'm so threatened by your incredible strength of argument that i flaked from the site. Gimme a break!

Vote: Haylen

MVP goes to Jahudo. Gandalf, you will never get an easier win than this if you engage your brain.

Love,
BM

[Battle Mage]

No, I was town. Was there anything I could have said to clear me?

Anyway, good job scumteam. I wonder how much the N0 mason kill and early mason claim gave you confidence to distance/bus. I'm guessing it allowed you to play a little outside your comfort zone at least, Haylen.

Thanks bud. I stand by what i said earlier, you played a good game.

Haylen and I did not bus voluntarily, we only did what was necessary. SSBF was a liability, and he had to be eliminated as soon as he replaced in. The early outting of the masons had it's cons as well- i'd pretty much spent my efforts attacking 2 confirmed townies, and looked like a bit of an idiot.

I'm happy that i played this game as honestly as possible. I think Haylen is aware that her "confirmation" of me as scum in this game is deeply flawed. However, it was enough to fool CSL and Gandalf, which secured us the win. I can sympathise with Jahudo feeling a bit miffed at how this game concluded. lol

And yes, Haylen wasnt in on the bussing SSBF idea. I was beyond furious that he thought it would be clever to come into the game, and tunnel-bus (train?) me pointlessly.

Socrates - I was never absent from the game, aside from my brief spell on V/LA. I'd say it's generally poor form to replace someone who puts alot of effort into the game, when it isnt absolutely necessary. No flames, but i resent the suggestion you'd rather have not had me in the game.

SSSS - I cant remember, but i imagine we felt you were a threat. Moreso than Gandalf, who we felt we could control more easily. I left him a clue before i died, to the Haylen-BM scumpair, but he didnt get it. Interestingly, Jahudo should probably have picked up that the only person with any reason to keep him alive, was me?

BM