Open 242 - Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over!)

[Battle Mage]

Honey, i'm home!!

Zwet- why does CSL's replacement here confirm him as town?

The arrival of afatchic doesnt inspire confidence. Still happy with Zwet as town. Jahudo is probably my number one suspect. For some reason, i'm getting good vibes off Mole.

More analysis to come.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Please bro, please, feel free to say something correct. Anything to plug the steady flow of bile that you're posting atm.

No-Lynching on Day 1 is a perfectly acceptable play in this situation if we cant get a wagon on someone who has a good chance of being scum. Zwet does not meet that criteria, and btw, it's exactly your comment above that leads to a shitload of mislynches Day 1

, so don't act like the rest of us are idiots or haven't played before, thanks. *Hurls*

So far, the majority of your case on me has been very weak and definently don't see how I'm scummier then you or zwetchenwasser.

LOL

1. So if we were to not get a bandwagon on a person we think is likely scum, we should go ahead and not lynch at all? A mislynch is better then a No Lynch Day 1 is because we gain more information out of Day 1 by lynching then not lynching at all. We can analyze the mislynch person bandwagon and the mislynch's suspects and go from there, which can be used to find scums. You don't get that oppertunity with a No Lynch.

This is not true. It's not worth lynching probable town simply for "information". That's a cop out.

For those still unclear, the reason we lynched SSBF yesterday was because he blustered in, with a load of shit, that he could not possibly believe. I've played with him before, where he was town, and he talked a good degree of sense, and was NKed early on as a threat to the mafia.

This is the last time i'm gonna bother dignifying you with a proper response. I said we are not lynching Zwet, Darklight or Gandalf today. However, NONE of them, Zwet included, are 100% confirmed town. They are all, very likely town. I can't even imagine how you came to another conclusion.

Fair enough. I do agree that DarkLightA and gandalf5166 are very likely townies, although I still do think zwetchenwasser needs to be lynched today.

Haha, oh really? You "attacked" me did you? LMAO
Well, good work! I'm sure everyone here is amazed at your super mafia skillz!

Yes, I was attacking your play because I (IMO, opinions may vary with other people) found something about your play scummy and I will not ignore it.

In the above quote, SSBF admits his attack on me amounted to nothing. Then, in the next sentence, backtracks, and again claims to find me scummy.

The attack by SSBF on Zwet is another town-tell for Zwet. I dont think SSBF-scum was aiming to bus a buddy on Day 1.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Holy mother of joseph. NEVER use orange when someone in the games on Sepia.

I could see a scumteam made of BM and Zwets with one other. Because of the emotion with which BM has been responding recently, particularly when under fire by SS DEAD GOD PEOPLE, CHOOSE DIFFERENT USERNAMES.

I also note the major defending of Zwets that BM is doing. I think that if one of them is town, then the other has to be two and if one of them is scum then the other must be.

FoS Battle Mage

lmao, emotion is putting it a bit strongly. In any case, if Zwet is town, Haylen is also probably town. citation.

Reading the closing posts of yesterday, i'm less sure on Mole. Jordan says he will post tomorrow morning, and not to replace him.

BM

[zwetschenwasser]

LYNCH JAHUDO

[Socrates]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Molestargazer (2) - Jahudo, Smashbro_of_the_SSS
Zwet (1) - gandalf
Haylen (1) - afatchic

Not Voting: Battle Mage, JordanA24, Haylen, zwet, molestargazer,

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

Jordan has not picked up his prod. I will give him another 24 hours and then I shall replace him.

Gandalf has not posted since tuesday and will be prodded.

[Jahudo]

There is one scum in {mole, jordan} and the other is in {afat, haylen}. Sorry zwet, I'm not in either bracket

[gandalf5166]

Oh sorry. I've been following the game, just didn't see anything post-worthy. :/ And BM, read up. SSBF got lynched, he was scum, and I now think you're probably town.

[zwetschenwasser]

gandalf is still voting me.

[Battle Mage]

Mod: Jordan has picked up his prod. He said he will be posting today.

Jahudo- why?

BM

[zwetschenwasser]

banana creme pie?

[Jahudo]

Hey zwet, are you just going to keep tunneling on me all the way to china, or are you going to explain your vote ever? And not that BS about vote hopping again, because you were always more guilty of that than I was.

Jahudo- why?

SSBF connections.

[JordanA24]

I am ever so sorry for my extended leave of absense, my University rejected me, so I've spent the past week scrambling to find a new course, as well as fixing a bullshit-issue Student Finance had with my application. But I've finally been accepted onto a course, the turmoil is over, and I can finally get back to posting, and will do so tomorrow.

Apologies again, I hope you all appreciate the situation I was in.

[zwetschenwasser]

I just have a gut feeling that Jahudo is scum.

[gandalf5166]

I just have a gut feeling that Jahudo is scum.

Then why didn't you say that? My vote stays. LYNCH PLOX!!!!!!

[Jahudo]

afatchic have you finished reading yet?

Haylen are you around?

I just have a gut feeling that Jahudo is scum.

Not enough to vote me? Can you see anything with what SSBF said that makes someone more likely to be scum with him? I think that's better evidence to go on than gut at this point.

[zwetschenwasser]

SSBF was completely a nullread for most of us. None of his behavior sticks out right now.

[Socrates]

afatchic has been prodded.

[gandalf5166]

SSBF was completely a nullread for most of us. None of his behavior sticks out right now.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that most of the game had pretty strong reads on SSBF, one way or the other. Please stop making excuses for not scumhunting, and start doing it.

[molestargazer]

Sorry folks, been a little busy. Got myself a new laptop and I'm posting from that, so apologies if I make typos, not used to this keyboard.

Someone asked me for my top suspects, so I'll have a re-read and present my thoughts.

The Thoughts:

I'm still of the opinion that Zwet-scum is a distinct possibility.
- He continues to attack the masons after the claim. Originally this might not be scummy in itself, but it could be seen as a scum motive to legitimately kill off masons.
- He backpedals and changes to Jahudo after he realises no-one's going to follow the plan. He doesn't give any reasoning when he first makes the vote, and then later claims that Jahudo's "vote-hopping" was part of the reason for the vote. Now, looking at Jahudo's ISO before the date of Zwet's explanation (August 20), I see 4 different votes in the whole game - 2 of which were on Zwet and BM during RVS. Doesn't really seem like vote hopping to me.

His hammer on SSBF can't really be taken as a tell either way.

Any other reads? Honestly, it's tricky to find any right now.
I'd like to hear more from Haylen and Jordan (Sorry to hear about your Uni place by the way, hope it's all sorted).

Then you say BM's reasons for finding zwetscenwasser were dubious? Can you explain that now?

I figured I'd comment on this a little more rather than my earlier passive-aggressive-seeming response.

This is the post in question.
- Note points 2 and 3, which in large talk about scumhunting. But really, any scum who don't want to die would attempt to 'scumhunt'.
- States that he isn't scum because he continues to hunt the masons, calling it the 'scum's wet-dream'. Which brings in a lot of WIFOM.
At the time I made my zwet-voting post, I had read the above post and found the reasons a little weak, so I figured I would vote for Zwet, because it could have been scum covering each other - and I hadn't seen much from SSBF that was lynch-worthy.

Since I'm not voting,
VOTE: Zwet

[zwetschenwasser]

I personally don't think that scum would have ever wanted to pressure claimed masons. They would have liked to build up the WIFOM by letting them live, preferably until lylo. At least that's what I would have done. NO scum wants to personally be responsible for confirming town.

[Haylen]

I'm here. I've been busy and am trying to catch up with my games. Was with Joran.

[gandalf5166]

Zwet, YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID. Confirmed townies + LyLo = town-win almost guaranteed. You kill them off immediately.

[Jahudo]

- Note points 2 and 3, which in large talk about scumhunting. But really, any scum who don't want to die would attempt to 'scumhunt'.

One of those points you are talking about is this, right?

I find that scum use the "confused" gimmick to backpedal after recognizing a mistake.

Zwet attempting to scumhunt. Town-tell.

That happened right before a series of zwet posts that you liked, because you said this:

- Zwet's 106-111 discussion with Gandalf makes perfect sense to me, but he's acting confused.

So at that point in the game didn't you think zwet was scumhunting, and that it looked okay?

[molestargazer]

I thought it was scumhunting - or at least, it looked like it. I

don't

think that's a reason not to lynch him.

[gandalf5166]

Zwet, YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID. Confirmed townies + LyLo = town-win almost guaranteed. You kill them off immediately.

Hence why I want to lynch scum today, because I'm going to be dead tomorrow.