Newbie 983 ~ Game Over!

[drmyshottyizsik]

/confirm

[drmyshottyizsik]

=D I <3 Kitty Mo

Aww, thanks.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I love kitty mo more cuz

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he modded my last game!!!!!

>.> ~Kitty

[drmyshottyizsik]

KITTY'S A GIRL!?!?!?!?! *GASP!!!!!*
Well Kitty you are awesome. And now life's complete because you edited into my post. =D

[drmyshottyizsik]

Because she's a ninja...

[drmyshottyizsik]

so do any of you kongregate?

[drmyshottyizsik]

you should!!!!!! >.<

[drmyshottyizsik]

It's not necessarily suffering, just a sadness on any level that either is directly experienced by ones self, or is view by one from a far, thus giving them a prospect of what life is when it is not good. If everything was always good we wouldn't know bad. And happiness is simply the knowing that you have a better life than you could have, so if no one ever had a less than good life, no one would know of happy or sad.

[drmyshottyizsik]

my acount is kooldude2294 add me

[drmyshottyizsik]

YES, AND IT SUCKED ****

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok five questions for though. Y'all should post your answers

1) How many games have you played
2) What is your favorite role
3) What is the most fun thing you've ever done
4) One interesting thing about yourself
5) What is your dream job

[drmyshottyizsik]

I was just getting acquainted, and bonding with the citizens of the game. Also we shouldn't be to quick to lynch, just fyi. If we kill a towny to quick it will hurt us, but if we take our time and really think it won't.

[drmyshottyizsik]

[2] Haylen - (silverbullet999, Switz)

[2] drmyshottyizsik - (Haylen, Prox)

[0] Crayboff - ()
[0] Good and Honest - ()
[0] Hinduragi - ()
[0] Little Plastic Ninja - ()
[0] Prox - ()
[0] silverbullet999 - ()
[0] Switz - ()

[5]

Not Voting

- (Crayboff, drmyshottyizsik, Good and Honest, Hinduragi, Little Plastic Ninja)

With

9

alive, it's

5

to lynch!

Deadline is at Wednesday, August 4, 2010 at 9:00:00 PM (Los Angeles time)

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This is a flavor box. All flavor boxes in this game come with the disclaimer that they are not supposed to contain any information that will affect your view of the game. They are for fun and awesomeness.

To remind you of this, I will put here a picture of a slug jazz quartet. No, I did not draw that, sillies. Someday you may see my "epic" drawing skills, but today is not your lucky day.

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WHY NO KITTIES!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

MOD EDIT

Someone's giving me an excuse to share adorable kitty photos?!?!

Now, back to your scheduled programming of playing mafia. ~KittyMo

[drmyshottyizsik]

I no what it's called silly :p. But quick lynches are dangerous.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Thanks KittieMo for the Kitties =D

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hello, fellow townspeople!

This is my first Newbie game as SE (Semi-Experienced), which means that I have already played in two games on this site. Not that I think this has made me so experienced...

There is something REALLY IMPORTANT that I must announce from the start - I have a certain playstyle which differs from what you might expect to see in a game of Mafia. My playstyle can be characterized by my username - it's Good and Honest. To better understand what I mean, I strongly suggest that you look at my first game on this forum:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14309

OMG!!!! You was playing with my best friend gandalf,,, ya he's awesome

[drmyshottyizsik]

I was just getting acquainted, and bonding with the citizens of the game. Also we shouldn't be to quick to lynch, just fyi. If we kill a towny to quick it will hurt us, but if we take our time and really think it won't.

Uh, in what way is it better to kill a townie after thinking about it real hard than quickly? Sorry to be flippant, but I'm just not sure I see your logic. Obviously it's better to think about who we lynch rather than quickly picking someone, but killing town is almost always bad, at least in normal-format games like this.

I'm saying that if we talk more we may see peoples true colour more, and we can make a better educated choice.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm L-2 just fyi. This means if i get to more votes i will be lynched.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok instead of a random voting stage i propose we have a random questioning stage.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Vote: G & H

oh and Gandalf wanted me to tell you he wishes he would have subbed into your first game sooner so he could have help be part of your first lynching.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I only voted for him because i read his other games, and he is an anti town player, and this could harm the town so yes question away but i didn't randomly vote G & H.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Vote: G & H

oh and Gandalf wanted me to tell you he wishes he would have subbed into your first game sooner so he could have help be part of your first lynching.

I thought you proposed a RQS. Was that another attempt to seem useful?

FoS drmyshottyizsik

I don't try to be useful, but I think we all should try to be of use in order to kill the mafia.
Sorry i contradicted myself but i couldn't handle playing with G & H, weather he's mafia or not.

[drmyshottyizsik]

She has a point, you are being awfully bold and trying to pass the blame a lot. I'm not going to vote you Prox, but don't ask for claims.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also: thoughts on G&H, please?

Three things are wrong with him. One he posts really long annoying posts that deplete the fun of the game. Two if you look at his other games his style is anti-town. and three, since he doesn't vote he is hurting us. Usually it takes 5 of 9 to lynch but right now it takes 5 of 8. If we get rid of him it will help and we will only need 4 of 8.

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok in day one it should take 5/9 to lynch but because he wont vote its like we only have 8 people, but it still takes 5 votes, thus 5/8 instead of 5/9

[drmyshottyizsik]

Switz we are in a newbie game and i was simply informing him that claims shouldnt be asked for on day one. And about killing G & H you're right it's a trick situation, but i really think we should just get him out of the way now, and scum hunt tomorow.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Thanks Haylen.

[drmyshottyizsik]

You know G & H irl i think we would be good pals



.. but not here

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok just a quick question. I'm not asking for votes, I'm just wondering. If you guys had to lynch 1 person right now. Who?

[drmyshottyizsik]

good point, perhaps the mafia is sitting back trying to go undetected. UNVOTE: Good & Honest (for now)

[drmyshottyizsik]

nah im good, but i will hammer him if he gets L-1.
you know you and i both signed up for a ninja mafia game

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ya the other three players need to post, and no offence was taken. :p

[drmyshottyizsik]

Sorry guys i've been at work. And just to clarify why i asked who y'all would lynch was because i wanted y'all to really thik about it and, as I did, realize that no one is truly coming across super scumdiliumpious.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Sorry about hating on G & H cause of Gandalf, but he's my best friend irl and we act in stuff together and he was just explaining to me how G & H's play style will harm the town untill he starts to vote. And yes I am tasty ... And I like being friends with people whether I'm Mafia or a Townster.

2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. Mafia members may communicate at night and during the confirmation stage.

Hey, this is an important rule. Don't talk about this game outside of where it belongs, please. This is your warning.

~KittyMo

[drmyshottyizsik]

Sorry KittyMo, He reads all of my games and when he saw G & H's name he called me and warned me
:'( please don't be angry...

Not angry, I just want players to be careful about that. Talking outside of the thread can cause nasty situations (players having to replace out of multiple games, etc.)

[drmyshottyizsik]

No worries, now. Let's focus. Shotty, if you HAD to pick SOMEONE to lynch RIGHT NOW, who would it be, and why?

It would have to be G & H, because he is the only one who i fear will harm the town.

Prox Interesting stuff


@ Shotty

You ignored my question!

If he were to get to L-1 in the next 2 hours, you would hammer?

(he being Good in reference to what you posted...)

nah im good, but i will hammer him if he gets L-1.

yes i would hammer because that means others feel he would hurt the town as do I.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Recap:

Shotty is accused of

1. Buddying
2. Contradicting (several times)
3. Opportunism
4. Trying to push away suspicion (repeatedly)

The case seems to be getting more and more solid. We should discuss this more before considering pushing him to L-1 (that's when people usually claim, right?). We're only at Page 5. The mafias I've looked at usually get around page 9.

WE NEED MORE THOUGHTS, ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE WHO'VE ONLY POSTED ONCE OR TWICE.

Ok, here i would like to say a few things. First i want to rebut the statements made against me.
1. Buddying- since when is being nice and being friends with the town a bad thing? If all of the town hates each other then the town won't function.
2. Contradicting- I don't contradict so much as i change my mind. None of us have a rock solid case, so we all have a right to form, and reform opinions.
3. Opportunism is the conscious policy and practice of taking selfish advantage of circumstances, with little regard for principles- I have not done this. I have asked questions that better the towns understanding of each other.
4.Trying to push away suspicion- I have not tried this at all. I never said anything about anyone being mafia, i simply stated that even if G & H is a towny he will hurt the town.

Now I would like to rehash number four, but turn the tables. Prox, all you have done is tried to drive the band wagon of me being scum, thus pushing any suspicion away from you, which if you are mafia is a very very smart thing to do, but it is also the sign that you may be mafia. Also I would like to touch on number 1 a little bit. On the first day we started this game you I and Haylen played on Kongregate together. (don't worry Kitty it was strictly non-thread stuff) And actually me and Haylen were talking about it and you tried to buddy yourself right in there with us. And about number 3, this entire game you have used opportunism to do nothing but pass the buck, and gain the trust of people. And finally number 2, you said and i quote.

So, G&H, I suppose the first and most obvious question to ask before we think about lynching you for your playstyle: Are you scum?

then you said.

Either way, I'm not really asking for a claim. I don't care as much about his role, as I do his alliance. Or is there not a difference?

this is very contradictory and it also proves that you were trying to buddy up or form an "alliance". So, finaly my point. By your theory of those four points equaling mafia. You sir = Mafia
Prox is accused of

1. Buddying
2. Contradicting (several times)
3. Opportunism
4. Trying to push away suspicion (repeatedly)
5. And Being a hypocrite
VOTE: Prox

[drmyshottyizsik]

drmyshottyizsik, it's great that gandalf5166 is your best friend (gandalf5166, if you're reading this: Hi!), but I don't think it's a good idea to let anyone, even your best friend, influence the way you're playing in this game.

He didn't influence how i played he simply asked me to read your past games to get a feel for you play style. Ironicly it was the same game you posted a link to.

There is something that seems strange to me. I have already cited you saying: "Also we shouldn't be to quick to lynch, just fyi. If we kill a towny to quick it will hurt us, but if we take our time and really think it won't.". I certainly agree with this. But later, when asked by silverbullet999, you say that if in the next 2 hours you have the opportunity to cast the final vote to lynch me, you'll do it! I'm especially baffled by this because it has already been said here how bad it was for the town in my first game that I was lynched so quickly...

Ok about this, my play style is strange, kind of like yours. I am on the fence about you right now, but I'm not getting a scum read from you, just a bit of anti-town, but this morning i went and reread your play style and looked at one of your past game and realized that you aren't anti-town you just want to be 100% sure that your choice is correct unless you are need for the game to continue.

By the way, I have absolutely no problems with drmyshottyizsik's wanting to be friendly - this depends on one's character. I also like a friendly atmosphere when I'm playing a game.

Prox notes that drmyshottyizsik has said "Thanks Haylen". I looked at the context and I was confused. drmyshottyizsik, while I don't mind your thanking any player, why exactly were you thanking Haylen in this case?

He said something I very much agreed with.

Prox summarized several points against drmyshottyizsik and then drmyshottyizsik used the same points against Prox. For me the most important thing here was what drmyshottyizsik DIDN'T do - didn't attack Hinduragi, who was the one to present a detailed case against drmyshottyizsik.

Ok here's my case against Hinduragi, he made some valid points, but he's posted to confirm, to rvs me, to apologize for working, and to dis me. And I can't say as much against him, but what i can say is that when he's says i was bonding with people, yes i bond. I AM A BONDER! It's how i play. I like having good relations with everyone. And when he said that I am trying to get rid of the heat on me. Yes I am, and so is anyone who is L-2, but all he has been doing is laying the heat on me thicker. Maybe he is mafia and saw an opportunity to get a innocent person lynched and is pushing it really hard and is getting his partner Prox to help.








i think we need more kitties!!!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

First off, I only spent time acting friendly during the pre-game: not when things started to get serious.

My point of that "attack" on you was not to attack you it was to prove how silly your claims were. ANDDDDDD, being friendly IS NOT BAD!!

I never contradicted myself. Alliance is defined as Scum/Town/3rd-Party. Role is like Doc/Cop/Godfather/etc. I think you misunderstood me. I was asking G&H about his alliance, since he said he would always be truthful.

ok i did miss understand you here, but you just contradicted your self again. You just explained how ask for his alliance is like asking for a claim,,,,,, but earlier you have repeatedly said you didn't ask for a claim.

If you call defending myself logically and then attacking another person using perfectly valid points scummy, then I have a problem with you.

I used the exact same points on you that you used on me. I used logical points to defend myself and then attack you. So if you are calling me scummy, then you have a problem with yourself.

You didn't explain anything about opportunism. Btw, when I say opportunism I mean that you went after G&H because it was the easy thing to do.

I am going after you and this isn't easy at all. You are the one who has it easy trying to attack me.

All in all, your attack is weak, and seems to be you lashing out at me for attacking you (OMGUS).

And with this message what did you do??????? You lashed out at me for attacking you *gasp* hypocrite!! If you attack me I will attack back, it's how it works man.

Bonding is not pro-town. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Buddying_Up

I bond, i don't buddy up . Buddying up is choosing a single buddy to befriend and share blame with.

Quote tags fixed. Remember,

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[quote]"I love Kitties"[/quote]

will get you

"I love Kitties"

So work on the spelling and remember that the beginning tag does not have a / in it. ~KittyMo

[drmyshottyizsik]

AH MAH GAWD!!!!!! KITTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Oh and thanks for editting my quotes i was typing in a hurry and fogot ;p

[drmyshottyizsik]

EBWOP *forgot

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok I'd like to clear a few things up. First of all Prox is the one who I think is scum. Second, the only reason i went after G & H is because i believe he may hurt the town, I get no scum read from him at all. Also you all seem to believe that my attack on Prox was one in which i was trying to get everyone to turn on him, but truly I just wanted to show how ludicrous his accusations are. He has no solid case on me and I have no solid case on him.
@ Switz- I understand were you are coming from on all of this. You see two guys fighting over points and you simply read and give your input and i appreciate that.
@ Everyone- At this point in time three people have really been tested, and ridiculed, and questions. I think that we need to get to know Switz, Haylen, Hinduragi, and silver bullet a bit better.

And i apologize for my signature, but i just wanted to make a point, I shall change it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Why would you be willing to end the day so incredibly early? We have quite awhile to gather info on everyone... there are still people who haven't posted yet... and G&H's actions (not intentions) in my mind haven't really given me room for judgement yet.. also there still are two people that haven't even posted yet!

I think this is said question. You're right not everyone has posted yet, and I'm not going to end the day so early. And about G & H's actions/intentions. The reason i semi-want him out is because I want to stop his intentions before they turn to actions.

[drmyshottyizsik]

YESSSS, but it won't happen, and if it did then i would be getting pressure to hammer. I don't like his style, at all and i find it anti-town the first half of the game, Also if we lynched him we could stopped talking about lynching him and get on with the game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok G & H, what i meant by on the fence was i was trying to get a scum read on, which i did not... at all. But yes i do dislike your playstyle but I am done going after you, i also realized that i need to focus on finding mafia not getting rid of someone i dislike. I am definitly getting a scum team from prox and switz. You see the only reason switz defends prox is because prox is throwing himself out there and realying on switz to back him up. If switz started getting attack I would almost be certian that prox would defend him. But prox is smart he isn't drawing atention to him and switz being together, because switz is doing that enough. Well those are my views
SCUM TEAM: Prox and Switz.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@ foilist- are you willing to vote for G & H?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I like you foilist

[drmyshottyizsik]

OK everytime I'm nice to someone you can't call us scum buddies!!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

vote hinduragi

Hate to break it you, but I can see right through you bud.

Again, this sounds like you're putting heat off yourself. I'm just going to come out and say what Shotty is trying to do. No, this is not intended to be anything against him. In fact, I'd like to give him some posts to defend himself because so far any post that, in my opinion, has content, has been about Shotty. In fact, it feels like everyone is ganging up on him ever since I posted my case. I noticed that Switz had a giant of a post. Then, after discussing, as G&H said, "drmyshottyizsik versus Prox", he had a paragraph and a half or so of other things to discuss. This leads me to believe we should have a more active discussion about other fellow players before someone even considers moving Shotty to L-1. Shotty, I think you're in the right here that we should all get to know each other a little better. Unfortunately, I have nothing to contribute to the actions of achieving this. Suggestions would be welcomed.

Jeez, your terrified, aren't you? I can almost feel your fingers physically trembling as you write this. This type of nervous energy, of way overdoing your efforts to sound logical and consistent and unabrasive is text-book, and I mean

text-book

scum. How many times in this post do you say something, and then immediately qualify it to make sure you haven't left yourself open to attack? A lot.

Do you really think you're fooling anybody with these long winded self-analyzing speeches? I can see exactly what you're trying to do: you keep qualifying and requalifying your opinion, explaining absolutely every little detail of everything so that your utterly fake attempts to make it seem like you actually suspect someone sound logical.

It's ok, it's a common newbie mistake to make as scum. Unfortunately for you, you're now completely outed, and will definitely be lynched in one of the next two days.

Now let's find out who your partner is.

@ everybody -

NOBODY say anything about this post before Hinduragi does.

Even if you disagree with me, you don't want to give him any ideas of how to defend himself that he doesn't already have. This is a good rule in general: you shouldn't defend somebody else until they've responded to the attack on them themselves. Otherwise they can just use what somebody else comes up with for them and avoid being caught.

Something you CAN do: if you agree with my attack, vote Hinuragi. If you disagree, vote me. In either case, don't explain why, just drop the vote. NOTE OF CAUTION: Please try super hard not to lynch either of us, as we're just getting warmed up here with this whole scumhunting thing.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hinduragi

[drmyshottyizsik]

I assure you, I am not the one laying any heat on you. You are responsible for your own actions. The heat was already there. I just pointed it out to present my reasons for keeping my vote on you.

BUT when we do the same to you you over protect yourself!

[drmyshottyizsik]

1) Who are your top three suspects for scum? And don't give me a "I don't know" answer, if you HAD to pick three people to die right now, with the hopes that you could win the game, who would you pick? I'm interested in your gut reads, not your convoluted attempts to answer this question logically.

2) Who in this game do you think has been the towniest so far? Why? Feel free to be as logical and indulgently self-analyzing as you want with this one.

1)Prox, Switz, Hinduragi
2)G & H, but it is realllllllllly hard to read him. Second would be silver because he is scum hunting, but not over scum hunting.

[drmyshottyizsik]

OOOOOPS! I kinda feel dumb right now.

[drmyshottyizsik]

PROX!!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

I really wanna hear Haylen's views on who she thinks is the scum pair, cause if she thinks its Prox and hindu then she should unvote prox and get hindu.

[drmyshottyizsik]

drmyshottyizsik, I noticed the remarkable relation between Prox and Switz and you immediately announced that they were mafia partners; archaebob and foilist13 made accusations against Hinduragi and you agreed with them, too...

I know and i really wish there could be three scums... I read and re-read and re-re-read this thread and I have made my decision. And I have reasons.
For the first of who I think is the scum team is Prox and here's why

So, G&H, I suppose the first and most obvious question to ask before we think about lynching you for your playstyle: Are you scum?

He asked for a claim there is no denying that he asked for a claim.... BUT when he people called him out on it he said

Either way, I'm not really asking for a claim. I don't care as much about his role, as I do his alliance. Or is there not a difference?

NO there is not a difference! Asking hey are you scum or hey do you belong to the scum team makes no difference.
Next thing about Prox

I can see how that'll hurt the town in the long run. unvote; vote Good & Honest

BUT THEN WAIT!! He totally says something different here.

G&H's promise not to vote would make him a less dangerous scum. That, along with the fact that his playstyle is the only currently wrong thing about him, makes me want to decide not to lynch him.

Ok so here he says this as if he assumes G & H is scum but then says there's nothing scummy about him. Hmmmmmm... Why would you do that Prox? Ok so yes he would be a less dangerous scum, but he would be a more dangerous towny! Here, to me, it seems like Prox is thinking from the stand point of a mafioso. After saying it would hurt the town, he switches his view point and starts to not care for about the town.
Next on my list is this quote

Recap:

Shotty is accused of

1. Buddying
2. Contradicting (several times)
3. Opportunism
4. Trying to push away suspicion (repeatedly)

The case seems to be getting more and more solid. We should discuss this more before considering pushing him to L-1 (that's when people usually claim, right?). We're only at Page 5. The mafias I've looked at usually get around page 9.

This issue sparked up some fire later in the thread, but lets look at it from Prox's point of view as he wrote it.
(what i think happened.) Prox- "Oh look Hinduragi posted a really big bad thing about Shotty hmmmm... what should I do? Oh wait since i have nothing new to say and I am scum I will reiterate what hindu said and put it in a fancy list format so people will read it agree with me and vote him instead of ME!!! hahahahahahaha lawlz."
Next

I call OMGUS

First off this was pretty far into the game (his second to last post btw) and an OMGUS is either
A. If you are mafia- mafia members may use OMGUS votes to throw a random vote out without raising suspicion.
Or B. If you are a towny- Townies use an OMGUS as a random vote close to the start of a game to get discussion started.
LETS ALL THINK. Which did he do? *lightbulb* A!!!
Ok thats what i have on Prox, the person I think is his partner will be revealed in my next post.

[drmyshottyizsik]

The person I believe is his partned is *drum roll please*


I'm not sure. I read both Switz and Hinduragi's post and it seems to me that Switz simply calls it as he sees it, and Hindu is focusing on pressuring me and trying to get me to slip up.
I find neither of these all that scummy they just both make me angry when ever someone attacks me. Honestly if i had to pick right now i would put my vote at Foilist. He immediately attacked Hinduragi, then switched to G & H, I mean its one thing to scum hunt, but to all out try to destroy two people in 11 posts is a little over the top.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@ Bob, I agree with this statement, but is it worth the Mafia getting a free night kill if we lynch G & H

[drmyshottyizsik]

My point of that "attack" on you was not to attack you it was to prove how silly your claims were.

Bull. The point of your attack was to attack me for attacking you. If it wasn't an attack meant to attack me, why did you vote for me? Please note that the bulk of your "attack" on me was focused on using the same points I did against you.

I used the exact same points on you that you used on me. I used logical points to defend myself and then attack you. So if you are calling me scummy, then you have a problem with yourself.

You said the points were silly...

You said the points were silly...
You said the points were silly...
You said the points were silly...
You said the points were silly...!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly!! I attack you using the same logic that you used against me, neither of us had a valid point, thus silly.
And I voted for you because of the same logic that you voted for me.

[drmyshottyizsik]

MOD: Switz changed votes right before your count.

*thanks for kitties =)

Riiiiight. >>; I fail at skimming walls of text when I have a headache; my apologies. Thanks for telling me! ~KittyMo

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Shotty - You here? Did you just go inactive all of a sudden or are you active lurking?

sorry guys. Ya I'm here, but I have the flu so my posts may be minimal for a while. I'm going to read what I missed, then I'll post my thoughts.

[drmyshottyizsik]

My point of that "attack" on you was not to attack you it was to prove how silly your claims were.

Bull. The point of your attack was to attack me for attacking you. If it wasn't an attack meant to attack me, why did you vote for me? Please note that the bulk of your "attack" on me was focused on using the same points I did against you.

I used the exact same points on you that you used on me. I used logical points to defend myself and then attack you. So if you are calling me scummy, then you have a problem with yourself.

You said the points were silly...

You said the points were silly...
You said the points were silly...
You said the points were silly...
You said the points were silly...!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly!! I attack you using the same logic that you used against me, neither of us had a valid point, thus silly.
And I voted for you because of the same logic that you voted for me.

But...why would you vote someone for reasons you consider silly?

Ok about this, once and for all lets put this to rest. The point of this was to show you how dumb your reasons were. I simply used your logic against you.

@ Everyone- I would just like to point out that Prox has once again jumped right on to the next bandwagon(Haylen)
Ok about the whole Haylen thing personally I'm not sure I find her as scummy as not caring since she's only a temp. It may be a good idea to pressure her, but I'm not sure how much she will care/react since she is out of the game in two days no matter what.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Spoiler: Shotty ISO

1. Shotty: could you link me to the games you have played on this site so far? (You can find it by clicking “View My Posts” at the top left part of your screen. ) That’d be great.
a. In your post 10 I found that you asked some questions to everybody, but didn’t answer them yourself. Could you do that, too?
b. In your post 25, you gave me the feeling that you were hurrying to end the day.
c. In your post 26, I felt like you were buddying. The same can be said, to a lesser extent, about post 22.
d. Post 22 also seemed to be far to cautious for you. You seemed to be trying to be all nice about it
e. Post 27 seems like useless spam for the purpose of idle chitchat
f. In post 28 you again asked a question that you refrained from answering
g. In post 29 you seemed to unvote G&H for no particular reason
h. In post 32 you seemed to indirectly contradict yourself by answering your question on post 28 without really answering it.
i. In post 35 you seemed to indirectly contradict yourself because you unvoted G&H and yet said you would hammer him if given the chance. Why unvote G&H (and not change it to someone else) if you still want the player lynched? Do you usually keep your vote off of players you find harmful to the town’s aims until they are at L-1?
j. In your post 36, you post a failure of an attack in retaliation to my attack on you (OMGUS). You do know that OMGUS is a stupid/scummy thing to do? Speaking of which, your attack on me had many more flaws than mine did. You vote for me.
k. In your post 37, you quickly and amazingly change your opinions on G&H to “you’re pretty okay”,; also, you later make another failful attack on Hinduragi for attacking you without actually defending yourself against the attack
l. In post 38, you try to rebut my rebuttal.
i. You said that the point of your attack was to prove how silly my claims were. However, you ended your attack with a vote on me and propositions that I am part of the scum faction. If your attack was not really an attack, you have yet to validate your suspicions on me.
ii. You misrep my post by saying I contradicted myself when I clearly had not. You have yet to comment on this.
iii. You claimed to have used the same logic to attack me as I used to attack you. This is untrue. While you

tried

to do this, you completely failed and used a different mode of logic than I did.
iv. You tried to defend your past opportunistic actions by changing the subject to your current actions
v. You again misrep me by saying that I lashed out at you for lashing out at me, despite the fact that I was the person attacking you, and I did this because you were scummy, not because you “attacked” me. (How can I lash out at someone if they didn’t actually make an attack on me?)
vi. You misdefined the term “buddying” to support your claim that you were not buddying. Again, you used an illogical fallacy to defend your actions.
m. In post 42 you do two things: 1) announce that you believe I am scum, despite the fact that you never explained why you thought this; 2) changed your mind about G&H again, declaring that his play is anti-town. You also restate that you never made an attack on me, despite the fact that at the end of this “attack” you voted for me and declared me scum.
n. In post 43 you elaborate further your “new” opinion on G&H
o. In post 44 you declare that you don’t like Good & Honest’s playstyle “at all”. You also use the fallacy that G&H should be lynched just because we are talking about him getting lynched.
p. In post 45 you try to repair the contradiction you made about G&H with a small platitude about how you were talking about his scumminess, not his playstyle quality. Despite the fact that your contradiction is COMPLETELY focused on G&H’s playstyle.
q. In post 47 you blatantly buddy some more. Remember when I told you that was bad? I meant it.
r. In post 48 you declare “OK everytime I'm nice to someone you can't call us scum buddies!!!”, despite the fact that being nice and blatantly trying to get the favour of someone are two different things.
s. In post 50, you just say something else fallacitical, misreppy and stupid.
t. In post 51, you announce who you think is scummy without saying why. Let it be noted that all the people you listed are people who were attacking you. Also, wtf is “over scumhunting”???
u. In post 52 you realize your true nature.
v. In post 53 you continue to tunnel on me, still with no justification.
w. In post 55 you finally start to explain your accusations. I almost loled.
i. First off, you say “I really wish there were 3 scum”. That is stupid, I don’t care what faction you’re part of.
ii. You MISREP ME AGAIN by saying that something was asking for a claim BUT IT WAS NOT. You say that there is no denying that I asked for a claim- but I did deny it, and you did nothing to refute that! Idiotically, you use failogic to contradict my refutation. It’s really sad. Sorry for saying that.
iii. You call me scummy for changing my mind. How hypocritical is that! I even give key words showing that I changed my mind. I mean, really.
iv. You again confuse scumminess with playstyle. I never said a thing about G&H being scummy
v. You said something else stupid. I mean really stupid. You know my job is to push cases on scum?
vi. Then you stupidly accuse me of OMGUS voting with the quote of me calling you an OMGUS voter. Wtf?
vii. I’m sorry, but your attack is complete bull. Feel free to respond to this, but try to think before you do so.
x. In post 56, you ridiculously accuse foilist of scumhunting too much. xD
y. In post 57, you become indecisive about G&H again…
z. In post 58 you repeat yourself. I’m sure you find a comment about that above. In post 61 you repeat yourself and try to get me to give up on you. Not just yet.
I didn’t want to go past Z, sorry.
Shotty, I request from you the following:
1. Read this post.
2. Link me to all your games.
3. Explain your opinions about G&H
4. Rebut my defenses (funny to call them that) and attacks.
5. Explain “overscumhunting” and how it is bad. And how foilist is scummy.
6. Stop buddying. What you are doing is buddying. Bonding is different, though my thesaurus disagrees.
7. Whatever else
8. Think before you post.

1.Ok read the post.
2.All of my games on this site are on going, I'm in about 7 or 8, when they end i will send you links.
3. I hate his play style, end of story. I don't think he is scummy, but I can't read him either way. I think D-2 we should kill him because the town will be at a huge dis advantage.
4. A. 1) I have played a few off-line games, and I am currently in i think 7 on this site.
2) I really like being a PGO
3) The most fun thing I've ever done I bungi jumping, or maybe acting professionaly.
4) I can lick my elbow
5) My dream job is to be a Broadway actor.

B. In post 25 I simply said that we should get rid of G & H D-1, I know disagree with my statement and think we should get rid of him D-2.

C.In my post 26 the reason I thanked Haylen was that I was so overwhelmed by people saying thing I disagreed with and felt I needed to argue and she said something that I agreed with and that thanks was basically a sigh of relief.

D. In post 22 I was agreeing, just because I shared the same opinions as someone and I voiced them doesn't mean I was making friends.

E. In my post 27 I was just trying to tell G & H that his playstyle not only made people want him out, but it really makes people dislike him. And there was a bit of useless boredom spam, yes.

F. In my post 28, yes I didn't answer it, I thought it was fairly obvious I wanted G & H, but right now my answer would be you Prox.

G. In my post 29 I realized that G & H wasn't particularly scummy just super annoying, and that I wasn't going to get a read from him so I needed to focus on someone else.

H. In post 32 I simply meant that when I asked the question in 29 I myself didn't even know my answer to it.

I. Ok I understand how post 35 could be confusing, but I've explained it a few times already. I wanted and still want G & H out of the game, but I didn't see a point in keeping my vote on someone that no one else was going to have a true vote on. And the reason that I didn't vote someone else is because at that point I had no case against anyone else.

J. In my post 36. Well I'm not sure you will ever understand what I meant by that one. I've explained it a few times, but I'll give it one more go. Your reasons were silly, yet you voted for me, so yes my reason were silly too, but using the same logic I voted for you.

K. In my post 37 I stand by my statement about G & H, he is pretty ok, as a person, but he will never succeed in this game with his play style, also I kinda felt bad for the guy.

L. Actuall I was re-butting you rebuttal to my rebuttal.
i-vi- GRRRR ok I'm done explaining the same things over and over! Next topic.

O. In post 44 I simply said that I would hammer if the rest of the town provided convincing arguments and casted votes on him.

P. Ok about 47 I can't get a scum read on him because of his play style, but his play style doesn't make him scum.

Q. It wasn't buddying I was just saying I liked how he scum hunted, until he pushed it over the top. Also, since when are you God? Just because you say it's bad it is? uhhhh no!

R. I'm a nice person, end of story.

S. HOW?!

T. Bob asked for a straight answer, and asked for no logical reasoning. And overscumhunting is when a person makes it very obvious that he is scum hunting and tries to make him self very useful. Also when people overscumhunt they are too agressive and quite rude, provoking a reaction from the one being attacked and causing alot of the town to agree with him.

U. Aweee You're talking smack talk, ooooh I'm scared.

V. My reasons came later, remember? I already knew them there were just so many it took awhile to type them out.

W. LOLed!?!?! Wow what are you a 5th grade girl? I just Lawled. Plus my reasons all made sence. And you can't just say I misrep you when ever I point out something scummy about you. I know you are scum it's ok. And I think alot, all the time. I'm sort of a philosopher.

X. Yes, yes I did, butttt it wasn't ridiculous, and how about you let him defend himself.

Y. NO NO NO NO!! I staid the same. I still want G & H gone, but killing him D-1 and letting the Mafia get a free kill on night one isn't worth it.

Z. I repeated (and bolded just fyi) for dramatic effect.
(WOW!!! You know you alphabet! Good job!)

5. I already did this in letter T

6. I'm friendly deal with it.

7. ?

8. I do.

WOW that was alot of typing Prox please read this so i didn't just waste my time.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok people don't freak out I'm not band wagon jumping, I just realized that my posts and thought don't correlate with my vote

Unvote

Vote: Prox

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Shotty

What wagon did you think you were hoppin bud?

Oh Haylen Voted Prox right before I did, I just didn't want to be called out for that.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Shotty

What wagon did you think you were hoppin bud?

Oh Haylen Voted Prox right before I did, I just didn't want to be called out for that.

Oh sorry never mind i read that wrong. I have a cold or the flu or something and I'm throwing up. Sorry I really miss read Haylen's post.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well Seraphim aren't you quite eager for a mis lynch?
Also the fact that you vote me for that post is completely outrageous. My logic makes perfect sense it's simple math. Also I NEVER SAID G & H WAS SCUM!!!! I said his style was anti town, and that he would hurt the town, which is true. Also I would like for you to try to prove to me the G & H is town, because he has given nothing to read him by. I have no clue what he is personally. Also I dis agree with your statement about me brimming with nervousness energy. I not nervous at all, I'm a tad annoyed that's it. But if you guys want to lynch me go for it, but when I flip town Seraphim I think you and Prox are going down. Your last post there reeks with scumminess. Your iso was insainly one sided and focused on freeing the name of G & H and condemning me. It was way to pushing for a mis lynch for my tastes.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@ Seraphim I never said you were Scum i said you were coming off as scummy. And if you read my post I apologized for my attacks on hindu and switz. I also never said Foilist was scum i said if I had to choose he would be up there, buttttt that was before you came in and acted Scummy. My vote for Prox is what I believe. AND! I never called G & H scum, Yes I think he is anti-town, but because I can't read him I have no proof to call him the slightest bit scum, thus the towniest. You are really seeming like Prox's scum buddy to me. Just saying.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok Prox here I go clean slate.
1. Gut feeling
2. It almost feels like you are pushing for a mislynch
3. You are too pushy
4. You exploit everything
5. You don't stick you what you say
6. Your attacks don't always make any sense
7. I get a scum vibe from you
8. You almost seem nervous sometimes

Ok there you go.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok ya you're right 1 and 7 are the same...
2. Idk you just seem like you know I'm town but are pushing anyway.
3. Deppends on the player. Could you send me a link to a game that you were scum and one that you were town?
4. I guess you more observe robustly
5. Yes I counted you have changed you mind less.... damn
6. I see
8. You seem like you need to comment on a lot in order for people to think you are town and are afraid if you don't that they will think scum of you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Thank you Prox, really about the whole replacing Haylen thing I tend to forget that at time. And before Haylen left she was acting

FoS

worthy.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok here it goes I tried to resist it, but it was just sooo obvious it hurt

unvote
Vote: seraphim

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok well either way that was dumb, sure maybe you wont be killed d1 but now you will be killed n-1

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh unless the doc protects you. Please doc don't claim, so you wont get roll blocked... also seraphim you should have claimed vt that way you wouldnt have been roll blocked

[drmyshottyizsik]

Unless people believed you.
@ everyone if you are the real cop please say so.

[drmyshottyizsik]

unvote

sorry i meant to do that
I guess he is innocent unless someone else claims cop too.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Not if the Doctor protects him

[drmyshottyizsik]

UMMMM we are in a newbie game, the Mafia role blocker is all we have to be worried about.

[drmyshottyizsik]

UMMMM we are in a newbie game, the Mafia role blocker is all we have to be worried about.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I was hoping scum would to..... darn

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ya bob, you kind of ruined the whole scum counter claim, cop lynched but we immediately kill scum next day thing.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well I believe you are a cop, and so now I'm back to Prox being my only scum pick.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Vote: Prox

But now he may attack me again. Oh well. Do you think Prox is scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I read the game calm down, I was just wonder if you made up your mind or if you were scum hunting.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok, me too, now we need others to think so.

[drmyshottyizsik]

[not for real]

Vote: KittyMo No Leave

[/not for real]

[drmyshottyizsik]

Sorry Prox I know you backed off of me and all but I truly think you are scum.

Can we please have a L-1 vote again?

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok thanks, i hope you can change my mind

[drmyshottyizsik]

Unvote:Prox

His post 394 really opened my eyes, I don't think scum would de-rail a wagon when his target was L-1

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hmmmmmmmmmm.... You have a good point foil thanks for this intel.

Vote:Hindu

[drmyshottyizsik]

Stop... Hammer time!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Wait hindu are you claiming scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think it's silver maybe he lurks alot

[drmyshottyizsik]

*fingers crossed*

[drmyshottyizsik]

Vote G&H

still think he's anti town maybe mafia who knows?!?! cant read him maybe today he will really contribute

[drmyshottyizsik]

Bye Prox I <3 you, sorry I thought you were scum, I sorta figured it out at the end though

[drmyshottyizsik]

Damn you sure know how to make a point

unvote
Vote: Switz

But man if you are wrong I think that looks very scummy on you, butt I'm game for lynching him

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh ya

NO ONE HAMMER UNTILL WE HEAR THE RESULTS!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok i only have a small PoS on seraphim because he wasn't NK'd, which means we either have a doctor, the last mafia didn't want to risk missing a kill incase there was a doctor, or seraphim is scum, claimed cop in despiration, but really we don't have a cop we have a doctor and he is protecting the mafia. If I'm right then seraphim is very smart. Also now would be the perfect time for a real cop to claim, because then either you or seraphim is scum. Another possiblity is that we have a 7 VT set up which once again seraphim could be lying his ass of.

[drmyshottyizsik]

foilist any thoughts on post 439?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well switz I just gotta say if you flip town I have like zero suspicion for silver

[drmyshottyizsik]

Switz!! Way to kill suspicion on you. I'm being serious you had a lot of great points, I'm going to keep my vote right now, but if silver doesn't quit lurking I may switch over, one of you two is scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

ya seraphim needs to hurry the fuck up. His results detirmine the lynch

[drmyshottyizsik]

Unvote
Vote: Silver

Game over silver )

[drmyshottyizsik]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ya I guess, wait now I can link this game so people in my on going games can see I just accidentaly play VI

[drmyshottyizsik]

I know, but I'm awesome and undefeated

[drmyshottyizsik]

SHUT UP AND FINISH MY WIKI
please?
I lovers you PROX!

[drmyshottyizsik]

HE DOES!!!!!!!!!