Mini 941: (Almost) No Rules Mafia (Game Over)

[UncertainKitten]

Confirmed

Red is totally the color of truth still, even if the mod uses blue!

[UncertainKitten]

UncertainKitten was the very first to fakeclaim Beatrice using red

If you used red in this manner, you were stealing MY idea .

[UncertainKitten]

Everything I say in blue is a lie since I'm totally the mod

Everything UK says in red is the truth

Also, everyone who's rolename is um...Macho Neutral Selector Jack of All Trades should claim. Now.

[UncertainKitten]

More like you should claim, cause both of us are dying one way or another. [Belmont]Town ill needs a savior like us![/Belmont]

[UncertainKitten]

FoS: animorph

for trying to get in the way of drinking.

In other news, I forgot to

Vote zoraster

[UncertainKitten]

Also, I'm serious about the claim.

You'll either be town or scum eventually, and if you pick town now it's up to a coin flip. Taking both of us out has an advantage for both factions.

So claim, and we can die together and hope our selected team wins. Cool huh?

[UncertainKitten]

Zoraster has committed a rules infraction by imitating a player. You're a mod. Act like one.

[UncertainKitten]

Editing snide remarks into other players posts is still cool though

[UncertainKitten]

So, yeah, seriously? Another mod wagon? I may have to do some cross analysis when I have more time. For now, happy St. Patrick's Day

[UncertainKitten]

UK can't get ticked off at a mod-wagon when she's the one that started it. Rolling Eyes

I can actually. I have a meta of voting the mod. Four of these voters don't.

xvart is lying. Which conversely probably mean he isn't and he chose scum Macho Neutral Selector JoaT. We should prolly lynch that guy.

Still waiting a few hours to make sure I'm right though.

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[UncertainKitten]

I think he's faking the PM to pretend he's not the other one when he really is, and he's elected to work with a/the scum team. I could be wrong though.

I'd still like the other neutral to claim. I already selected town. If you selected town it's a coin flip to see who's helpful. I want both of us to die. If you roll scum, well, you know what you are getting rid of. If you roll town, well, obviously in exchange for your life you get a caught scum.

[UncertainKitten]

xvart. Could you please NOT post everything in fucking quote stripes? I'll respond SUCCINCTLY this time, but please try to respond in a more bulleted/link manner or other non quote response manner.

Anyway, basically, I'm no longer convinced you are the other neutral, which is probably good for you. The rest doesn't matter atm.

I will clarify later

[UncertainKitten]

Pah, I was late. Should have checked this game first. Since clearly my scum opposition has decided to take the initiative. I personally feel we both should be lynched, as has been my attitude since game start. You know, the town ill needs a savior like us thing. For the record I'm of course counterclaiming Town Macho Jack of all Trades.

[UncertainKitten]

Ah yes, I forget that rule - good thinking. I'm not sure what to think at the moment, although I'm probably siding with you at the moment. It seems like a more pro-town play, especially when you could have just offed UK without her alignment flipped.

Well, the problem with this is, were I nightkilled, it'd be OBVIOUS I was the town selector. Or at least pretty damned close to obvious.

[UncertainKitten]

He could have. But there's a chance he would have been found out by other roles in this game. Granted, he does come off as strongly town, and even WIFOM doesn't help much since NKing me would have been better. I can't really argue that he didn't act in a pro town manner. I can, argue, that he might not have thought of the strategy you propose. Which is what I'm stuck with, ne? However...I think I have a good counter to all this. Lemme check a couple things.

[UncertainKitten]

As I thought. Formatting might help a lot here.

Congratulations. You are town. Refer to your power list to see which powers you now have.

Zoraster

[quote="zoraster]
Both Selectors have chosen town before 48 hours is up. I will roll a 2 sided die in the game thread.

If the die is a 1 you are scum.
If the die is a 2 you are town.

Zoraster[/quote]

You are one of TWO Macho Neutral Selectors and Jack of All Trades. Things are about to get a little complicated so follow along, sweetheart. I’ll break it down bit by bit.

Selector: You may at any time, when there are 6 or more players alive, choose to pick to become either a Town member or a Mafia member. You may do this at any point during the day or night by PMing me with your choice. When you have selected a side, I will post the following message in game: “The selectors have made their choice!”

There’s just one hitch: if the other Macho Neutral Selector picks before you do, you will automatically be placed on the opposite team that that other Selector picked. If both Selectors PM me within 48 hours of Day 1’s start and both have picked the same side, I will flip a coin (via random.org) to pick whose pick actually went through. Thus, selections will not be made before 48 hours has elapsed in the game.

If you die before selecting, you lose.

I should note that if there is more than one mafia team, I will have designed it so that a particular mafia team will be joined by the mafia selector.

Last, your alignment will NOT be revealed until and unless BOTH Selectors are dead.

Neutral: Self-explanatory, but you start off unaligned, so you are neutral. You are essentially a survivor until you select a side, so if you die, you lose.

Macho: Doctors will not protect you. Jailkeepers will only block your role from working, it won’t protect you. Watchers won’t see who visited you. Any other roles that stop kills will be neutralized.

Jack of All Trades: Your powers vary depending on whether you’re Neutral, Town or Scum.
Neutral: You have the following 1-shot powers: Watch* (see who targets a player), Invent* (send me a target and an item. They’ll get a power based on that item. Careful, some items may have the opposite effect of what you might otherwise think!
[REDACTED]
Scum: You have the following 1-shot powers: Track*, Ninja* (undetectable by trackers and watchers), Roleblock*, Rolecop*, Treestump**

*Nighttime only powers.
**Treestumping: During the day at any time (provided you have not been hammered or are already dead) you may put this in bold Mod: Treestump me! and this will turn you into a treestump. Any votes on you will be reset, but you can still be voted for. You will no longer have the ability to vote. You will have the power to post still. If you are killed or lynched after this point, you are removed from the game as normal.

Win Cons:
Neutral: Survivor. Only wins if alive and game ends with 6 or more players alive.
Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.
Scum: You win when all town, sks or any other party that has a win condition contrary to yours is eliminated or nothing can prevent them from being eliminated.

This might be a bit confusing, so any questions you should feel free to ask me about.

Confirm in Thread

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693

The last quote doesn't matter as much but it's full disclosure.

That's all I have to convince you.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP:

Both Selectors have chosen town before 48 hours is up. I will roll a 2 sided die in the game thread.

If the die is a 1 you are scum.
If the die is a 2 you are town.

Zoraster

[UncertainKitten]

I dunno. I doubt we'll get to see whatever the scum got. I only posted saying formatting might help to let the real gamebreakers take a stab at it.

Honestly, it would be best to resolve this early since I feel both of us need to be lynched at some point. I suggest lynching me first since, quite frankly, I

look

a lot worse in this exchange. Course, I also know for a fact that bananas is scum. So,

vote Bananas

Anyway, no need to end the day so soon so I'll of course be posting my opinions on other players and such throughout and perhaps might even vote people who aren't bananas. Of course, from my POV bananas is caught scum that I need to die to catch. So, yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

ok, but why did you publicly claim? If you selected before 48 hours after recieving you role then you would have either

A. Got your choice if the other selecter didn't select
B. The coin would have flipped and you would have a 50% chance of getting your selected alignment.

Why bother claiming? You could have just used a sham account like bannanas.

Because sham accounts didn't occur to me like they SHOULD have. It quite frankly, didn't occur to me.

UK\Bananas, since you admit both players would need to be killed at some point, would you be fine with us killing you first?

I already answered that. I'm the logical first pick for killing. I'm not gonna vote myself but I fully expect to be the D1 lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

I'd prefer you all not screw yourselves and not lynch bananas. I've understood I needed to die since I got this role, though admittedly I played the neutral part badly. Lynch me first, but make sure bananas dies before endgame.

[UncertainKitten]

Seems I've been wanting to die a lot in our games together, ne ani?

[UncertainKitten]

mind giving out an un-corrupted message?

I like a UK lynch today... He seems to be playing the most scummy (off of a re-read) and my gut tells me that this isn't a bad lynch.

I will have more latter I urge to put UK at l-1 to see how he reacts.

Yes, she is probably a better lynch than bananas D1, since comparative play analysis gives her a slightly higher chance of being scum, objectively.

Nothing new to add as I've already claimed, or should I do the encryption anyway? Seems pointless.

[UncertainKitten]

I can confirm that town JOAT has treestump.

I'll admit that I didn't expect to have to use it. I'd prefer both bananas and I treestump (and honestly should have thought of that in the first place...I'm kinda sucking at strategy this game), but of course, if a majority of town demands it, I'll do it.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: read the strategy thread. tnm is under the impression that stumped players retain night actions.

Bananas's post says that these actions are removed. The role PM UK quoted has no opinion on the matter.

@UK, Bananas: please clarify this issue.

If UK is retaining her night actions, we are lynching her.

Either way, it makes tnm's post not suspicious.

Please could everyone who believes it post:

UK should treestump, immediately

My night actions aren't retained. I asked. Banana's can ask as well if they'd like. In other news, I'm not doing it without a majority. I'm sure that's acceptable, right fish?

In the same manner

Please, could anyone who believes it post:

Both bananas and UK should treestump, immediately

I do, but of course, I suspect that you all won't. Either way, it's only fair that I offer an alternative to Fishy's unilateral...unilateralling

And...CML, I'm gonna have to say that bananas is UK conspiracy theory is pretty stupid. All it achieves is getting me lynched/treestumped. That's not desirable as

either

alignment unless I have outted the other MJoAT. In which case I'm still of the opinion both of us should die. So, what motivation would I have for acting like my counterpart in such a way that gets me lynched?

[UncertainKitten]

Unvote, Vote ani

How nice to be indifferent when, you know, you SHOULD commit to a stance that could have SOME bearing on your scumminess depending on how I and bananas eventually flip.

[UncertainKitten]

UK if you're town you should be voting for nobody but Bananas, seeing as they would be definately scum.

It's clear my vote is going to return to bananas at some point. Further, if we are both going to treestump (possible), I'd rather catch mr. scummy apathy I don't want to commit to protecting my scumbuddy.

Anyway, I am known for weird fake claims despite only doing it once . But, no, I claimed my role as real. I wish I had played it better since I look like I'm in terrible shape now.

Could you bold your preference, tnm, as me and Fishy asked?

[UncertainKitten]

Although I agree that the jester idea is very unlikely, isn't the point of the jester to get him/herself lynched?

The mod confirmed selection thing leads me to believe that the jester thing is impossible.

Whatever, you all sort it out. Ani needs to die sometime unless he magically becomes not scummy. Bananas should be handled with the treestumpery.

[UncertainKitten]

Two words.

Other rolecops.

Not necessarily a high order probability, but your lynch would be secured were you ever rolecopped. I can probably come up with other ways to make claiming viable if I thought about it hard enough.

[UncertainKitten]

Role cops get the role of whoever they target, hence why you see them more often on scum. In my games they tend to get alignment as a side effect of how I format Role PMs.

Actually, that's a decently confirmable role if another role is willing to out themself.

[UncertainKitten]

Honestly, TNM has done a lot of questionable actions.

Also, I love how ani appears to have disappeared...

And then we of course have bananas...

There's no way it could be this easy...no wait. Is tnm generally a VI?

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: *way.

[UncertainKitten]

@UK: I see tnm neither as particularly scummy nor as VI. On the contrary, I've found him fairly protown, with a couple of good ideas. What are his "lot of questionable actions"?

I kind of agree that ani's disappearance is badly timed and a bit suspect. His not-really-caring attitude to UK/Bananas also sucks.

The "Let's Play a Game" thread is a quick way to gain town cred without doing anything. totallynottotallynotmafia was also rather anti-town. I don't really remember anything else of note from him, so a lot was a bad word to use.

[UncertainKitten]

Is there a majority on me to treestump? If so I'll do it. If not...well :V.

[UncertainKitten]

As far as I can tell, you are still at T-2. Can I make two sham accounts and vote you over, or will that not count?

xvart.

Obviously wouldn't count.

In fact, sham account votes should not be accepted period.

If you want UK to treestump why don't you announce it? If you do it will put him at T-1 according to xvart and fish.

See, CML is taking the nice EASY stance of "lol, I'm going to pretend I've committed to having her treestump but won't actually vote it, teehee"

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I'm at T-1.

Also, I enjoy your stance or lack thereof.

[UncertainKitten]

As I said, it couldn't be that easy. It was more VI than necessarily scummy, though the town cred thing bothers me.

Interesting theory on Espeonage.

[UncertainKitten]

Meh, I think we basically have a majority for this.

TREESTUMP POWERS ACTIVATE!

[UncertainKitten]

please don't make any wood jokes .

[UncertainKitten]

The rolecop will NOT give alignment information beyond what you might infer from a player having such a role.

It will be as short as possible to give enough information that you can generally know what it's primary purpose is.

A couple of theoretical examples:
YES:
"You see Zoraster is a Doctor"
NOT
"You see Zoraster is a Doctor who cannot self-protect" (self-protection is more than needed to get a general idea of the role)

BUT
YES:
"You see Zoraster is the Editor. He can edit other people's posts"
NOT
"You see Zoraster is the Editor." (not enough info to be able to get a general idea)
and NOT
"You see Zoraster is the Editor. He can edit other people's posts no more than three times per game day, and he can add or delete no more than 5 words to any post he edits." (more information than needed to get a general idea)
and NOT
"You see Zoraster is the Editor. He can edit other people's posts. He also has a secondary power of being able to hide once in the game." (rolecop does not detect secondary abilities)

[UncertainKitten]

Wait, you told us not to? I thought you said we SHOULD. God dammit!

[UncertainKitten]

In fact, where the hell is your whole "don't tell us what rolecopping does" spiel? I really don't see it :S.

[UncertainKitten]

I originally called for clarification. Then I said these.

On a related note, I earlier asked for a precise definition of rolecop. This should not happen until everyone has cryptoclaimed.

Note that Bananas's powers are now claimed:
Rolecop, which may or may not reveal alignment (I want an answer to this from Bananas AFTER all cryptoclaims are out)

I repeat that the rolecop question should not be answered until everyone has cryptoclaimed.

The reason for this is that if it detects alignments, scum may as well just lie in their claims. If it doesn't, they have an incentive to tell the truth.

Your post was 280. You aren't looking very hard. The reason being, you aren't looking at all. The reason being, you're lying. The reason being, you're scum.

I mean, seriously? You missed all three of these posts while specifically looking for calls from me not to claim what it does yet? I don't believe that for a second.

More like I skimmed the game cause honestly, I have absolutely no reason

to give a fuck

I have no vote, and no powers. What the hell is the point of even playing seriously?

I'll scumhunt, but pardon me if I skim because this game is

BORING

[UncertainKitten]

...

Unvote, Vote Ani

If I haven't already. Seriously, are you TRYING to commit every scum tell you can?

[UncertainKitten]

Heh, I forgot, I can't vote can I. He was

just that scummy!

[UncertainKitten]

Fishy, sorry, but it was pretty damned obvious you were the other JoaT. Honestly, should have outted you when I first realized it, but whatever.

Rest of your gloss honestly doesn't appeal to me. ani is probably scum more likely. But whatev.

[UncertainKitten]

Real intelligent thar. Lynching a non entity? I'm eliminated. This is an 11 player game now. You still have a lynch. Are you seriously going to waste it?

[UncertainKitten]

Unvote, Vote DeathNote

Policy.

[UncertainKitten]

...god DAMMIT! I don't have a vote .

[UncertainKitten]

I've policy voted you every game we've been in together. I want you dead.

However, if you'd read, you'd also know I was a treestump, and therefore my vote doesn't count.

[UncertainKitten]

Whether I'm "confirmed scum" or not, the fact of the matter is,

I'm a non entity

. You'd be wasting your lynch if you used it on me. I DO NOT COUNT AS A PLAYER ANYMORE. I can just post in thread. That's it.

[UncertainKitten]

Permanently a treestump. However, both town and scum versions of my role had the tree stump ability. Honestly, just read the game.

Also, your posting so far actually makes me back off my policy argument slightly. Keep it up.

[UncertainKitten]

From what I got so far, bananas is a sham account for someone here and claims the town version of you. Do you deny being the scum version?

Do all sham accounts have a limit of five posts, or just his?

Also, we can still lynch Bananas so why hide behind a sham account?

I of course would deny that, but it's my only play. Take that as you will.

And why be shocked, Zang? Did you not notice the disproportionate interest Fishy was taken after the selection occurred? It was damned obvious.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, screw rereading. DedicatedScribe's delay in cryptoclaiming is scummy as fuck. UK's cheap distancing with DeathNote replacing in also seems fake. Save yourself the read, Deathnote.

DayKill: DeathNote

Cheap? Have you not seen my meta of WANTING TO LYNCH THAT GODDAMN PERSON EVERY GAME I'VE HAD THE MISFORTUNE OF BEING IN WITH HIM?

Well, either way, that works ^-^.

In fact, quite pleased to see that flip! Yay Policy

lynches

kills.

Yeah, if you can shoot me and Fishy, that'd be cool.

[UncertainKitten]

...you mean DeathNote's not dead?

God DAMMIT.

Oh yeah,

Unvote Vote Hoopla

Yeah, I know, still doesn't count.

It's pretty damned obvious "zorestar" is her sham.

Explain. Nao.

[UncertainKitten]

Unvote, Vote ani

(It's really fun to fakevote since jumping around has no consequence )

Hi obv Hoopla buddy.

[UncertainKitten]

We have four hours. I can't vote. You all gonna generate two more votes on Hate Me by then?

[UncertainKitten]

So when are we lynching ani for obvscummery?

[UncertainKitten]

Scumbuddies? Shouldn't you be asking Fishy that?

[UncertainKitten]

Your utter lack of caring this entire game. Why should scum care about who treestumps if the figure whichever one is their buddy is a lost cause?

[UncertainKitten]

But you didn't say that. You didn't explain that. All you said is "lol I don't care"

And THAT is the difference.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, it also helps you've contributed pretty much NOTHING throughout the entirity of D1. Unless you mean to prove me wrong there?

[UncertainKitten]

...

Yeah, not gonna cut it.

[UncertainKitten]

You know, it's kinda convenient that Fishy got roleblocked, ne?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, he got jailkept.

Well, so much for that.

Do I have to pretend I'm town anymore?

[UncertainKitten]

You'd be wasting a lynch, but by all means lynch me. The more days you all waste on town/non entities, the better.

I could quote zoraster telling me that treestumping completely removes my abilities and makes me a non entity, but you wouldn't believe me ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, he got jailkept.

Well, so much for that.

Do I have to pretend I'm town anymore?

Yes, ani, the post you quoted was TOTALLY a scum slip, OMG, you caught me.

It would help if you were paying attention to the game, you know.

[UncertainKitten]

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People, are you all morons? Ok, more like, animorph, DeathNote, are you two morons? I FUCKING CLAIMED SCUM.

Also, why are you lynching Hate_Me_Not? We kinda don't know who he is either.

Anyway, this is embarassing. I can't seem to find the PM where I clarify I don't have powers ^-^;

Let me get another one from Zora.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh damn, you figured it out, ani is totally Hate_Me_Not. I can't believe that I was so transparent.

Don't you know about my megabussing meta?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh damn, you figured it out, ani is totally

I already have one alt, that I'm using to mod a game. I'd never ever make an alt for a purpose of 1 game, unless I was to hydra, or I was told to specifically by the mod. lso, LOL noone asked me about my vote.

Aren't you defensive

And TNM, it's pretty clear that the night kill made me obv scum

I'd bring up the possibility of being given a fakeclaim PM and losing it.

[UncertainKitten]

You could. Hell, lynch me today. I like having you all waste lynches.

[UncertainKitten]

Fake distancing? Haven't I been telling you this whole time ani is scum? Wouldn't you feel silly if I were telling the truth? Or maybe I'm lying. I could be lying about HateMeNot as well .

[UncertainKitten]

Yep ^-^

[UncertainKitten]

So, when we lynching Hoopla?
Or DeathNote?

I mean, either would be really cool .

Hell, lynch ani too.

OR ME, BWAHAHAHAHAHA~!

kinzofaec.jpg

[UncertainKitten]

<insert comment alluding to scumbuddies here>

[UncertainKitten]

nah, we'll just strongman kill you. Twice .

[UncertainKitten]

Because twice is for emphasis.

[UncertainKitten]

/me giggles

This is really hilarious to watch, yanno .

[UncertainKitten]

Well damn, that was pretty stupid ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, damn, Hoopla was scum?

Son of a gun .

Oh wait, I probably knew that. Or did I?

Also, we are strong killing ani. Don't bother with the doc protect.

[UncertainKitten]

You are? Then lynch me ^-^

And ani, would I really make it that obvious we were killing you?

[UncertainKitten]

K, so, I've decided to play this like I play DnD. Except worse. Instead of actually talking, I'm just gonna post pictures I draw in GIMP or something for the lulz. Or steal reaction images. Expect Hatersgonnahate.gif.

But yeah, when I play DnD I love to have a sheaf of index cards and draw random doodles on them reflecting the situation. Especially when I can wave them around for recurring situations. So, enjoy ^-^.



Oh, right, I also fail at art. Yes, that stick figure is supposed to be me but I fucked up the facial dimensions and hair so it looks weird and not me.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok so I guess that means we only have one scum team with one remaining scum (other than Stumpy McNo-vote). I'd say at the moment the top candidates are:

-DeathNote: for blatantly misleading the town to save his own arse
-Espeonage: for his consisitent defence of Hoopla (although this may just be due to misplaced trust after Hoopla claimed an innocent result on him)
-Zang: I've thought him scummy for a while now, and his reactions to CML and Hoopla's flips makes me more suspicious of him.

[UncertainKitten]

[quote"tntnm"]
UK what happened to your red body? That was totally hot.
[/quote]

[UncertainKitten]

[UncertainKitten]

No, it's pretty obvious what he wanted to do with his claim:
1) Get someone to say the word without him revealing his power
2) Look as vanilla as possible so scum doesn't kill him

Did any sham accounts happen to claim tracker? I don't remember

[UncertainKitten]

On my blackberry (thanks for the huge photos uk) so no tags. But no. I said YOU are not allowed to post when dead. I did NOT say your ACCOUNT cannot post when dead. Sham accounts are prohibited too.

But don't let that stop your creative instincts!

[UncertainKitten]

On my blackberry (thanks for the huge photos uk) so no tags. But no. I said YOU are not allowed to post when dead. I did NOT say your ACCOUNT cannot post when dead. Sham accounts are prohibited too.

But don't let that stop your creative instincts!

[UncertainKitten]

Wait, why are you listening to somebody called TheRealGunsmith who clearly isn't a gunsmith? I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't UK, but please claim who you are immediately TheRealGunSmith.

And despite TRGS suggesting it I think a massclaim is probably the best idea at this stage as it may catch out the last scum, but I want to make sure everyone is around first because it's kind of pointless if people are going to be replacing out.

[UncertainKitten]

Wait, why are you listening to somebody called TheRealGunsmith who clearly isn't a gunsmith? I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't UK, but please claim who you are immediately TheRealGunSmith.

And despite TRGS suggesting it I think a massclaim is probably the best idea at this stage as it may catch out the last scum, but I want to make sure everyone is around first because it's kind of pointless if people are going to be replacing out.

UK, if your going to pagestrech, your [pagestrech should be more than an inch. Aklso, I'd never imagine you as a redhead. I think blonde.

[UncertainKitten]

[UncertainKitten]

[UncertainKitten]

So she doesn't count to scum people?

[UncertainKitten]

[UncertainKitten]

With 4 able to vote, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Saturday, May 1st at 11:00 EDT

[UncertainKitten]

I thought so too. Best shot is to lynch UK and get another result tonight on TNM. I would like to hear if Grimmy did anything first.
Unvote, Vote: UK

[UncertainKitten]

Hang on, at least lynch UK if you want to no lynch!

[UncertainKitten]

I am dead so I shouldn't have made this post. It's not fun to be dead!

[UncertainKitten]

That was awesome Zang. I basically gave up on the game when Fishy out did me, even though I knew damn well he was the other JoaT. He made it really friggen obvious.

Had a lot of fun posting random pictures and insulting the town though.

Had to bite my tongue SO many times when you all were like "OH NOES! WE HAVE 5 PLAYERS! IT'S MYLO!"