Mini 941: (Almost) No Rules Mafia (Game Over)
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UncertainKitten Maid In Japan
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Pah, I was late. Should have checked this game first. Since clearly my scum opposition has decided to take the initiative. I personally feel we both should be lynched, as has been my attitude since game start. You know, the town ill needs a savior like us thing. For the record I'm of course counterclaiming Town Macho Jack of all Trades."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Well, the problem with this is, were I nightkilled, it'd be OBVIOUS I was the town selector. Or at least pretty damned close to obvious.Hoopla wrote:
Ah yes, I forget that rule - good thinking. I'm not sure what to think at the moment, although I'm probably siding with you at the moment. It seems like a more pro-town play, especially when you could have just offed UK without her alignment flipped."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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If Bananas was scum, he could have stayed quiet, and killed you off. Even if that made you look town, it wouldn't matter too much, because nobody else has a clue who the other one would be. Why would scum throw away that opportunity to go into a 50/50 chance of being lynched?UncertainKitten wrote:
Well, the problem with this is, were I nightkilled, it'd be OBVIOUS I was the town selector. Or at least pretty damned close to obvious.Hoopla wrote:
Ah yes, I forget that rule - good thinking. I'm not sure what to think at the moment, although I'm probably siding with you at the moment. It seems like a more pro-town play, especially when you could have just offed UK without her alignment flipped.-
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UncertainKitten Maid In Japan
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He could have. But there's a chance he would have been found out by other roles in this game. Granted, he does come off as strongly town, and even WIFOM doesn't help much since NKing me would have been better. I can't really argue that he didn't act in a pro town manner. I can, argue, that he might not have thought of the strategy you propose. Which is what I'm stuck with, ne? However...I think I have a good counter to all this. Lemme check a couple things."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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UncertainKitten Maid In Japan
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As I thought. Formatting might help a lot here.
[quote="zoraster]zoraster wrote: Congratulations. You are town. Refer to your power list to see which powers you now have.
Zoraster
Both Selectors have chosen town before 48 hours is up. I will roll a 2 sided die in the game thread.
If the die is a 1 you are scum.
If the die is a 2 you are town.
Zoraster[/quote]
The last quote doesn't matter as much but it's full disclosure.zoraster wrote: You are one of TWO Macho Neutral Selectors and Jack of All Trades. Things are about to get a little complicated so follow along, sweetheart. I’ll break it down bit by bit.
Selector: You may at any time, when there are 6 or more players alive, choose to pick to become either a Town member or a Mafia member. You may do this at any point during the day or night by PMing me with your choice. When you have selected a side, I will post the following message in game: “The selectors have made their choice!”
There’s just one hitch: if the other Macho Neutral Selector picks before you do, you will automatically be placed on the opposite team that that other Selector picked. If both Selectors PM me within 48 hours of Day 1’s start and both have picked the same side, I will flip a coin (via random.org) to pick whose pick actually went through. Thus, selections will not be made before 48 hours has elapsed in the game.
If you die before selecting, you lose.
I should note that if there is more than one mafia team, I will have designed it so that a particular mafia team will be joined by the mafia selector.
Last, your alignment will NOT be revealed until and unless BOTH Selectors are dead.
Neutral: Self-explanatory, but you start off unaligned, so you are neutral. You are essentially a survivor until you select a side, so if you die, you lose.
Macho: Doctors will not protect you. Jailkeepers will only block your role from working, it won’t protect you. Watchers won’t see who visited you. Any other roles that stop kills will be neutralized.
Jack of All Trades: Your powers vary depending on whether you’re Neutral, Town or Scum.
Neutral: You have the following 1-shot powers: Watch* (see who targets a player), Invent* (send me a target and an item. They’ll get a power based on that item. Careful, some items may have the opposite effect of what you might otherwise think!
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Scum: You have the following 1-shot powers: Track*, Ninja* (undetectable by trackers and watchers), Roleblock*, Rolecop*, Treestump**
*Nighttime only powers.
**Treestumping: During the day at any time (provided you have not been hammered or are already dead) you may put this in bold Mod: Treestump me! and this will turn you into a treestump. Any votes on you will be reset, but you can still be voted for. You will no longer have the ability to vote. You will have the power to post still. If you are killed or lynched after this point, you are removed from the game as normal.
Win Cons:
Neutral: Survivor. Only wins if alive and game ends with 6 or more players alive.
Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.
Scum: You win when all town, sks or any other party that has a win condition contrary to yours is eliminated or nothing can prevent them from being eliminated.
This might be a bit confusing, so any questions you should feel free to ask me about.
Confirm in Thread
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693
That's all I have to convince you."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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UncertainKitten Maid In Japan
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EBWOP:zoraster wrote: Both Selectors have chosen town before 48 hours is up. I will roll a 2 sided die in the game thread.
If the die is a 1 you are scum.
If the die is a 2 you are town.
Zoraster"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I dunno. I doubt we'll get to see whatever the scum got. I only posted saying formatting might help to let the real gamebreakers take a stab at it.
Honestly, it would be best to resolve this early since I feel both of us need to be lynched at some point. I suggest lynching me first since, quite frankly, Ilooka lot worse in this exchange. Course, I also know for a fact that bananas is scum. So,vote Bananas
Anyway, no need to end the day so soon so I'll of course be posting my opinions on other players and such throughout and perhaps might even vote people who aren't bananas. Of course, from my POV bananas is caught scum that I need to die to catch. So, yeah."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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ok, but why did you publicly claim? If you selected before 48 hours after recieving you role then you would have eitherThere’s just one hitch: if the other Macho Neutral Selector picks before you do, you will automatically be placed on the opposite team that that other Selector picked. If both Selectors PM me within 48 hours of Day 1’s start and both have picked the same side, I will flip a coin (via random.org) to pick whose pick actually went through. Thus, selections will not be made before 48 hours has elapsed in the game.
If you die before selecting, you lose.
A. Got your choice if the other selecter didn't select
B. The coin would have flipped and you would have a 50% chance of getting your selected alignment.
Why bother claiming? You could have just used a sham account like bannanas.(\_/)
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CallMeLiam Mafia Scum
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Dealing with Xvart's reply to me:
I disagree here. The presence of a sounding board open to the public is something I've never played with before and I have no idea how it'll impact the game. Nonetheless it'd be stupid not to try taking advantage of it somehow. Wilfully ignoring a whole dimension of the game isn't great play.xvart wrote:
I should rephrase: people trying to direct the less informed super-majority to discuss specific players are scum city. Anyone doing that is subtly trying to influence the other players by having a wealth of questionable information to exploit. Town members do not need to exploit the questionable information with questionable motives from people not in this game.CallMeLiam wrote:First off, why is posting in the other thread scummy?
What difference does it make where I call you scummy?xvart wrote:
Yet you still haven't called me scummy in this thread AND your current vote does not support your accusations. If feels to me like you are trying to goad others into voting me without directly supporting my lynch.CallMeLiam wrote:Putting my suspicions in the other thread is hardly keeping them a secret is it? The reason I didn't put them here is because I'd have liked you to answer the question before I outright called you scummy, but at the same time I really wanted to point out that I thought you were scummy.
After all you've said to/about me you think that DocPotter is more scummy than I am? If your vote is really just about us allegedly being teammates wouldn't you gain more information about his alignment by lynching me first than you would about my alignment by lynching him first?YourThe MD threads "case" on me seems to be stronger than your simple "case" on DocPotter, yet you vote for him.
Talk about duplicity.
My current vote suggests that I find Doc scummier than you, which I did when I made it. At the time of my vote you'd answered all my questions about your initially shady claim in a satisfactory way so I dropped it.
At the time of my vote you were actually taking part in the game, Doc wasn't. He popped up to vote and then disappeared again. This to me was scummier than your claim. The claim by the way is the only thing I didn't like at the time which is why it was the only thing I asked you about.
That sounds to me like you're twisting my words. TNM was the first of us to start a thread and he did it early in the game. Early meaning "before a long time has passed" rather than "ahead of schedule"xvart wrote:Finally, care to explain what you meant when you asked TotallyNotMafia why he started the thread so early? It sounds like you already knew he was going to start it. Mental note: when on a scum team in a bastard setup and my team decides to create a supplemental thread make sure that everyone knows when the appropriate time to start it is.
It's a good thing I didn'tCooLDoG wrote:vote xvartbecause there is no reason what so ever to claim so early, or even to talk about power roles so early...reallyclaim.
xvart.
Why did you fake claim?
The Bananas\UK Claim:
Urrrgh. Seems like killing both of them is the best way to snag scum here, I doubt scum would want a 1-for-1 trade.
UK\Bananas, since you admit both players would need to be killed at some point, would you be fine with us killing you first?-
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Because sham accounts didn't occur to me like they SHOULD have. It quite frankly, didn't occur to me.
ok, but why did you publicly claim? If you selected before 48 hours after recieving you role then you would have either
A. Got your choice if the other selecter didn't select
B. The coin would have flipped and you would have a 50% chance of getting your selected alignment.
Why bother claiming? You could have just used a sham account like bannanas.
I already answered that. I'm the logical first pick for killing. I'm not gonna vote myself but I fully expect to be the D1 lynch.CML wrote:
UK\Bananas, since you admit both players would need to be killed at some point, would you be fine with us killing you first?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'd prefer you all not screw yourselves and not lynch bananas. I've understood I needed to die since I got this role, though admittedly I played the neutral part badly. Lynch me first, but make sure bananas dies before endgame."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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My original vote was more out of jest, which was the reason I said it the way I did. Since it was still, in my opinion, close enough to RVS shenanigans I saw no harm in not making an official "case". Then, I kept my vote on you because of CallMeLiam's comment as pressure, since if you did get lynched and flipped scum it would give more information about CallMeLiam.totallynotmafia wrote:Instead of giving their own opinions they've just said "well the people in the thread think you're scum so I'm voting for you". I think this could be scum hiding behind the opinions of others so they wont be accountable for their own opinions later on. They didn't even bother to say "I agree with what they're saying about such and such" they just blindly voted.
There are obviously more pressing matters to attend to now; but I don't want to hastily move my vote when there is plenty to discuss regarding the selector business. So I am comfortable leaving my vote on you for the time being.
But you are intentionally trying to create a case on me with others, which I wouldn't really consider scummy on the first comment, but when nothing materialized you prodded the masses again. I'll just blanket statement say that anyone that later tries to use the MD mass to substantiate a case will be awfully suspicious in my eyes. Use the MD thread all you want, but the way you did it is what is suspicious in my eyes.CallMeLiam wrote:I disagree here. The presence of a sounding board open to the public is something I've never played with before and I have no idea how it'll impact the game. Nonetheless it'd be stupid not to try taking advantage of it somehow. Wilfully ignoring a whole dimension of the game isn't great play.
I faked claimed because I did not realize that UK was actually stating her real role name. I thought it was some joke or something from the terrible role ideas thread or something like that. I thought it was painstakingly obvious that it was fake. I mean, just read the abilities and the jack of all trades abilities. Basically, when I thought it was a fake role I created an obviously fake role pm to have a little fun with the no rules ruleset and the quoting mod abilities (which someone pointed out is amazingly easy.CallMeLiam wrote:Why did you fake claim?
And I would never call a mod "dognuts" in a personal message.
Of course, because they are each trying to look town by not revealing the town powers.Fishythefish wrote:It is notable that UK and Bananas agree on the scum powers. That is one scary scumbag.
At this time I do think the best course of action is to lynch UK, and her responses are pretty much what I would expect myself to do if I was scum in her position, agreeing that she is the best lynch candidate. I also agree with her that we should not be hasty in securing this lynch.
My conversation with UK makes a lot more sense now, so I am going to reread it and see if anything new pops up in terms of motivation and alignment.
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EBWOP: If you continue to do this, I may have to nom you for something.animorpherv1 wrote:
lol yes.UncertainKitten wrote:Seems I've been wanting to die a lot in our games together, ne ani?"Animorpherv1's posts are so powerful that prolonged exposure may cause vertigo, nausea, acute tinnitus, and in rare cases, death." - vonflare
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Well seeing as UK and Bananas' allignments wont be revealed until they're dead I think the safest bet is to lynch both of them. I'm more inclined to believe Bananas at this stage because as they said it seems like a unnessessary move for scum to do to out themselves just to get UK lynched. The only motivation I can see is if the town version has a heap of powers and so Bananas thinks it's a reasonable 1-1 trade, with the added bonus that nobody will know UK's allignment when she's dead so he may get away with not being lynched afterwards.
I think we should lynch UK today, and then if Bananas is telling the truth and if they have powers which differ from scum's they should use one of them tonight so that if they can prove they used it tomorrow we will know they are telling the truth.
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I think alt creating and revealing what we did last night would be a good idea, as we get information at absolutley no cost to the town."Animorpherv1's posts are so powerful that prolonged exposure may cause vertigo, nausea, acute tinnitus, and in rare cases, death." - vonflare
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