Mini 941: (Almost) No Rules Mafia (Game Over)

[Espeonage]

Ah so you don't release the key until your about to die. Ok cool.

[xvart]

If bananas real account is NK will we ever know that bananas was killed? In this example, if the real bananas is killed N1 and we lynch UK D1 will the lynch of the dead bananas yield a NL verdict? That would be very tragic so it might be better to lynch bananas first and UK tomorrow since we know for sure who UK is. That is, of course, only if we are dead set on lynching them both back to back.

re: encrypting - I'm actually thinking about just claiming my role because I'm not sure how helpful I will be without the town knowing some knowledge of my role.

In the meantime, will someone please type "duplicity" into one of their posts?

xvart.

[Zang]

I had this conversation with the mod

You said that if a sham account is lynched, the real avcount I'd lynched,

is this true for nightkills

it's not true for nightkills, no.

So I dont think we will know who bannanas is if he is NKed

and why should I say the word?

[xvart]

So I dont think we will know who bannanas is if he is NKed

I meant if whoever created the sham account is NK'ed we wouldn't know until we lynched bananas attempting to lynch the owner of the sham, but then it shows up as "bananas was already dead. no lynch instead." or something like that.

and why should I say the word?

Because if at least one person does not say "duplicity" directly (quoting me saying it does not count) today I will auto kill myself tonight.

xvart.

[totallynotmafia]

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Ok SocioPath suggested not using Missouri's name so just to be on the safe side I'm going to call him by his location for now....although I have no idea how that would work with voting.

My original vote was more out of jest, which was the reason I said it the way I did. Since it was still, in my opinion, close enough to RVS shenanigans I saw no harm in not making an official "case". Then, I kept my vote on you because of CallMeLiam's comment as pressure, since if you did get lynched and flipped scum it would give more information about CallMeLiam.

There are obviously more pressing matters to attend to now; but I don't want to hastily move my vote when there is plenty to discuss regarding the selector business. So I am comfortable leaving my vote on you for the time being.

I can see how it could have been a vote made in jest but a vote is a vote and you can still use a joke vote to hide behind, particularly because there was already a vote on me and you went on to insinuate a scum partnership between me and Liam, so obviously it wasn't just a random vote in jest.

I'm not willing to say the word at the moment because of the nature of the word, it leads me to think that the person who says it may be the one to die instead. Perhaps you should reveal your whole role if you want someone to say it.

@Zang, you still haven't given your reasons for voting me earlier.

Post 3/5

Actually, there is no need to waste a lynch on UK.

She has treestump - as do I. The ability to remove our votes and powers.

@UK: Please confirm or deny that the town JOAT has treestump.

Demand her treestumping today. If you want to, demand mine as well - but I suggest you give me at least one night to do something useful. If you want me to, I'll treestump tomorrow morning.

I don't really get this...if you are town then you know 100% that UK is scum...so how is that wasting a lynch? This makes me suspicious of you because maybe you're trying to hold off on the UK lynch now that many of us have said we're going to lynch you right after. I don't have a problem with you guys treestumping but I don't really see how that helps us, isn't it just a last ditch effort to save yourself?

[xvart]

I can see how it could have been a vote made in jest but a vote is a vote and you can still use a joke vote to hide behind, particularly because there was already a vote on me and you went on to insinuate a scum partnership between me and Liam, so obviously it wasn't just a random vote in jest.

Well, now that I have claimed my "ability" (so to speak), you can see another reason why I posted that fake claim. In it, under the abilities of the Jack of All Trades I listed "duplicity" in hopes that someone would ask me "what the hell kind of ability is "duplicity?!" Nobody bit, and I tried again when I was pointing out that it was a joke by saying just look at my Jack of All Trades here.

I also tried to get CallMeLiam to say it here, hoping he would say something like "Duplicity? wtf?"

I'm not willing to say the word at the moment because of the nature of the word, it leads me to think that the person who says it may be the one to die instead. Perhaps you should reveal your whole role if you want someone to say it.

I am the town Obsessive Compulsive Wordsmith. I am obsessive compulsive about increasing the town's vocabulary and if I fail to do so I will kill myself the following night. I was given a list of ludicrous words and each night I must pick a word from the list and get someone to say it. The list of words is absolutely ridiculous and given the nature of mafia I thought duplicity would be the easiest one to get someone to say.

Given that I had already failed twice I didn't think that I could get by with using a moderately unique word a third time without being noticed or questioned, so I thought it best to just come out and say it. And given that the rest of the words are increasingly stupid, it would become more and more obvious as the days went on should I be successful at increasing the town's vocabulary each day.

Saying my name will do nothing, as it has already been said a dozen times or more in this thread with no outcome, but continue to call me Missouri if you want.

xvart.

[xvart]

Given that I had already failed twice I didn't think that I could get by with using a moderately unique word a third time without being noticed or questioned, so I thought it best to just come out and say it. And given that the rest of the words are increasingly stupid, it would become more and more obvious as the days went on should I be successful at increasing the town's vocabulary each day.

EBWOP: And considering that UK has already been put at L-1 once I started to get a little nervous since I had so far been a failure at educating the town.

I still think that we should consider lynching Bananas first, for the reasons I said above. And, if this is some really strange play by UK, killing Bananas now will be better before he/she disappears into the night. And, if bananas = UK, it doesn't matter either way.

xvart.

[totallynotmafia]

Well that's believable but why don't you just quote your role PM?

[xvart]

You are the town Obsessive Compulsive Wordsmith. Every night (including Night 0), you must pick a word from the list below. Due to your obsessive compulsive nature about increasing your fellow town member's vocabulary you must get someone to say the selected word the following day or you will kill yourself the following night. If someone other than you uses that word the following day, the next night you must link me to the post that uses the word in your PM. If you fail to pick a word during each night phase you will automatically kill yourself the following night.

You may use the word yourself, but it does not count if they quote you or intended to quote you.

The words you may select are: mondegreen, aubade, pecuniary, distrait, eschew, ignoramus, approbation, vitiate, tarradiddle, coquetry, cupidity, billet-doux, vivify, inexorable, hynagogic, duplicity, gastronome, egregious, fractious, fructuous, Arcanum, supplicate, quixotic.

Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.

Confirm in Thread

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693

You can now see what I mean about the word list. I wasn't really confident in my skills to get someone to say "tarradiddle" or "billet-doux" so I went with "duplicity" day one. I did consider "ignoramus"...

xvart.

[totallynotmafia]

Ok, duplicity. That PM seems real to me, and even if it isn't and I get killed or something weird happens to me then everybody will know you're scum anyway.

[xvart]

Thank you. I'll unvote you as a sign of good faith.

Unvote: totallynotmafia

And now...

Vote: bananas

For reasons stated above.

xvart.

[Hoopla]

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[CallMeLiam]

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[CallMeLiam]

I see no reason not to force both Bananas and UK to treestump now, to

A) prevent whichever one is scum from doing it later
B) prove that UK isn't a jester setting herself up with a comically elaborate plot

I very much doubt that the latter is the case but since I'm not 100% sold on UK being the scum of the pair then I'd appreciate this from ol' Nanas.

Also, is anyone due a prod?

[Fishythefish]

Some horrible logic going around on Bananas.

If bananas real account is NK will we ever know that bananas was killed? In this example, if the real bananas is killed N1 and we lynch UK D1 will the lynch of the dead bananas yield a NL verdict? That would be very tragic so it might be better to lynch bananas first and UK tomorrow since we know for sure who UK is. That is, of course, only if we are dead set on lynching them both back to back.

If Bananas's real account in NK'd, he will flip MNSJOAT, so we will know. The only reason to treestump him today is to prevent him using a night power (and for me, that risk is outweighed by his likely use of a protown night power).

I see no reason not to force both Bananas and UK to treestump now, to

A) prevent whichever one is scum from doing it later
B) prove that UK isn't a jester setting herself up with a comically elaborate plot

I very much doubt that the latter is the case but since I'm not 100% sold on UK being the scum of the pair then I'd appreciate this from ol' Nanas.

Also, is anyone due a prod?

B) would be solved by UK treestumping now. As for A) why would this be bad? Treestumping Bananas now takes away his night action - whatever alignment he is - and nothing else.

I don't really get this...if you are town then you know 100% that UK is scum...so how is that wasting a lynch? This makes me suspicious of you because maybe you're trying to hold off on the UK lynch now that many of us have said we're going to lynch you right after. I don't have a problem with you guys treestumping but I don't really see how that helps us, isn't it just a last ditch effort to save yourself?

You don't get treestumping, do you? It removes a player from the game, in all ways but their posts. Effectively, they are dead. So we don't need to lynch treestumped scum, and saving yourself by treestumping is pointless as scum.

I usually don't answer question which are (possibly) addressed to someone else. But in this case the answers are so obvious, and there is no reason for Bananas to waste a post on them.

Our decision is extremely simple - to we want Bananas to have a night action tonight? Hint: the answer is "Yes".

Since the only thing that's happened is the UK/Bananas affair, I'm going to analyse that in finding the other scum. Bad reactions to it:
- Espeonage. Wanted to see Banana's real account - with no reason. Then sheeped after it was clear that UK was likely going down.

Of the above:
- xvart I'm inclined to think was a misunderstanding. I also like his claim - although I'm wary of the same role, with mafia, who get something if we post the word (say a kill). If things go well otherwise, we should probably kill xvart by starving him of words.

From here on, the decision to give xvart his word should be a consensus one

.
-tnm's is a bit worse. He clearly hasn't thought about the situation. It helps, though, that his original reaction to the claims was good.
- CML's is worst of all. Basically, it makes no sense. It looks to me just like scum, who have seen a very desirable wagon, and are trying to make up any old crap to join it. In reasoning, and in timing, it completely sucks.

vote: CallMeLiam

- though I'd still much rather kill UK if she doesn't treestump.

[Fishythefish]

EBWOP: read the strategy thread. tnm is under the impression that stumped players retain night actions.

Bananas's post says that these actions are removed. The role PM UK quoted has no opinion on the matter.

@UK, Bananas: please clarify this issue.

If UK is retaining her night actions, we are lynching her.

Either way, it makes tnm's post not suspicious.

Please could everyone who believes it post:

UK should treestump, immediately

[CallMeLiam]

B would not be solved by UK treestumping now, because that doesn't prove she isn't also Bananas.

At what point do I seem like I'm hopping onto the wagon? I don't want UK lynching immediately because I don't buy her as more scummy than Bananas right now. My vote

Both players tree stumping proves they're different players and since we can't be sure Bananas isn't the town player until both die I don't want them having a free night to superscum around.

I want both Bananas and UK to treestump.

[Zang]

@Zang, you still haven't given your reasons for voting me earlier.

I voted for you because you made the MD thread but I unvoted you because when I thought about it was more of a null tell, and it was obvious that someone would make it eventually it was.

And I also believe that both bannanas and UK should treestump now. We can't be sure Wich is scum and town so instead of trusting a sham account that won't show it's face we should just make both of them treestump.

[Fishythefish]

Surely UK treestumping would prove she isn't a jester. And, therefore, isn't Bananas.

Sorry, by "hopping onto the wagon", I didn't actually mean that. I meant you saw people wanting Bananas treestumped, and decided to agree with them, because that is what is best for the scum.

I think the "UK jester" thing is an incredibly unlikely scenario. There's no reason to think it's true. Oh, and the mod told us it wasn't, in telling us the selectors had made their choice. A jester who can make the mod post things is a

ridiculously

overpowered role. It's a horrible distraction to the real argument.

The only question is which of UK and Bananas is town. UK's play is pretty much null, but Bananas's is exactly what you'd expect from town.

At some point, they both need to treestump, of course. The only question is: is the chance that Bananas (or UK) is town high enough that we want them to have a night action tonight? I think that the answer for UK is clearly no, and the answer for Bananas is clearly yes.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: read the strategy thread. tnm is under the impression that stumped players retain night actions.

Bananas's post says that these actions are removed. The role PM UK quoted has no opinion on the matter.

@UK, Bananas: please clarify this issue.

If UK is retaining her night actions, we are lynching her.

Either way, it makes tnm's post not suspicious.

Please could everyone who believes it post:

UK should treestump, immediately

My night actions aren't retained. I asked. Banana's can ask as well if they'd like. In other news, I'm not doing it without a majority. I'm sure that's acceptable, right fish?

In the same manner

Please, could anyone who believes it post:

Both bananas and UK should treestump, immediately

I do, but of course, I suspect that you all won't. Either way, it's only fair that I offer an alternative to Fishy's unilateral...unilateralling

And...CML, I'm gonna have to say that bananas is UK conspiracy theory is pretty stupid. All it achieves is getting me lynched/treestumped. That's not desirable as

either

alignment unless I have outted the other MJoAT. In which case I'm still of the opinion both of us should die. So, what motivation would I have for acting like my counterpart in such a way that gets me lynched?

[Zang]

Both bananas and UK should treestump, immediately

[animorpherv1]

I'm indifferent.

[zoraster]

Day 1 Vote Count

Hoopla ( 0 )
totallynotmafia ( 0 )
UncertainKitten ( 5 ) Hoopla totallynotmafia CooLDoG Espeonage animorpherv1
xvart ( 0 )
animorpherv1 ( 0 )
Zang ( 0 )
Espeonage ( 0 )
DedicatedScribe ( 0 )
DocPotter ( 1 ) CallMeLiam
CallMeLiam ( 2 ) DocPotter FishytheFish
FishytheFish ( 0 )
CooLDoG ( 0 )
Bananas ( 2 ) UncertainKitten xvart
Not Voting ( 2 ) DedicatedScribe Zang
Total Votes ( 12 )

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline: Tuesday, March 30th at 16:00 EDT

[animorpherv1]

EBWOP: I don't know why, but I think UK is bananas.

[UncertainKitten]

Unvote, Vote ani

How nice to be indifferent when, you know, you SHOULD commit to a stance that could have SOME bearing on your scumminess depending on how I and bananas eventually flip.