Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[horrordude0215]

Vote: Dr. Cyanide

With a name like that, he HAS to be scum!

[horrordude0215]

lol thanks for the vote!

[horrordude0215]

@Everyone: If you are a cop with a guilty on Day 1, do you out yourself and risk getting NK'd or do you wait until you have minimum risk of being killed?

I wouldn't immediately announce it. Instead, I would try to find reasons why that person is scummy and get other people suspicious of them. After day one, though, I would be fine with a claim.

What is your view on policy lynching?

I'm a bit on the fence about this one. I take it on a case-by-case basis. If there is a good level of active and experienced players that are good at spotting scum, then I'm for it... we can afford the loss if we have to. But if there's a relatively low level of activity, I don't see myself putting the town at risk.

Do you think scum or town lurk more?

I can't really answer that. There is an enormous range of activity levels in both town and scum roles, from really aggressive to constant lurking. I think that if you're talking about Vanilla Townies vs. Mafia Goons, Mafia would tend to lurk more, but there's also the case that Town Power roles want to stay under the radar. Again, it's a case-by-case basis.

How active are you here at MS?

Pretty active when I have a game running. Usually this is one of my open tabs and I check on it pretty often.

However, I don't like that farside is avoiding the PR question... while it may not give us much to go on, anything is useful at this point.

Unvote and vote farside22

[horrordude0215]

Um.. and I think this is about the only time in the game where premature votes are acceptable.

That's what I thought, although that could just be my newbiness talking

[horrordude0215]

Horrordude, why did you feel the need to explain that anything was better than nothing before voting?

I'm confused by the question... could you rephrase it please?

[horrordude0215]

Horrordude, why did you feel the need to explain that anything was better than nothing before voting?

I'm confused by the question... could you rephrase it please?

Why did you explain yourself thusly before voting?

Hi NS.

I like to give reasons for my votes.

Um.. and I think this is about the only time in the game where premature votes are acceptable.

That's what I thought, although that could just be my newbiness talking

Problem is that your diction made it sound like a serious vote.

It was semi-serious, but mostly just to get discussion going.

[horrordude0215]

Not where you explained your vote. Where you explained that it was better than nothing.

I said that any information is better than none. It was more of a "I'm just stating the obvious" post than anything

[horrordude0215]

EBWOP:

Unvote

[horrordude0215]

The whole purpose of my post/vote was to get some discussion going. We've pretty much moved out of RVS, so I didn't feel the need for my vote any more

[horrordude0215]

So I take it my response was good enough for you, seeing as you haven't replied to it?

[horrordude0215]

jesus didn't realize this was page 5. haven't read. I'll go back and find reasons ace is scummy or die trying.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you're joking here

[horrordude0215]

Well while it doesn't help the scum by not answering, it also doesn't help the town, and because most of the time D1 is a mislynch, I just like seeing if I can get base reads on everyone. People answering the questions people ask helps me with that.

[horrordude0215]

I just did a reread, and right now I have a slight FOS on Richard. While I know I was encouraging people to answer his question (and I'm sure I'll draw fire for this), I find his question rather scummy, in hindsight. It seems like he wants to find out what would happen if a cop WERE to investigate him and get a guilty read.

[horrordude0215]

Vote: horrordude0125.

Is there a reason for this?

I've drawn up three (tentative) town reads—I'll share them if you want; I love sharing!

Please do!

[horrordude0215]

Okay, what vibes from me are scummy?

[horrordude0215]

Okay, what vibes from me are scummy?

Smiley in this posts reads to me as attempt to reduce the impact of the case indirectly.

Or maybe I just like smileys!

[horrordude0215]

My suspicion of Richard has gone way up mainly due to the discussion between him and ythan.

Vote: RichardGHIP

Mod: VoteCount?

[horrordude0215]

EBWOP: Make that GHP, not GHIP.

[horrordude0215]

@crypto - Could you please explain your vote in Post 43? Was it about the whole alt thing?

Yes. It was a joke. My first serious vote was the vote for horrordude. That FOS sticks, but Beater needs to straighten up.

Your first serious vote was off of vibes? Really?

Fos: crypto

The only reason why I don't have a vote on you is because Richard is a lot scummier right now IMO

[horrordude0215]

If you try the "Intuition sucks" argument on me I will tear you limb from limb.

I'm going to avoid that argument. I was just wondering why you would base a vote on vibes. While inuition can be helpful sometimes, is it really that good on D1?

[horrordude0215]

If you try the "Intuition sucks" argument on me I will tear you limb from limb.

I'm going to avoid that argument. I was just wondering why you would base a vote on vibes. While inuition can be helpful sometimes, is it really that good on D1?

I think they both can work no matter what day it is especially if you get stuck and most of the people you lynched were town. Reread and go back to your vibes or intuition it can help you out more times then not.

I understand that, but on D1, vibes won't usually get you anything but a mislynch. (From my experience, at least)

[horrordude0215]

FoS horrordude0215

Okay, you've confused me... why the FoS?

[horrordude0215]

Which vote?

[horrordude0215]

Then one you're attacking for being based on a vibe.

How am I attacking him? I just said that I find it shady that he has a vote based on "vibes"

[horrordude0215]

Sorry about that... more noob questions

[horrordude0215]

Sorta... I would've probably done the same thing if I were in your shoes, now that I know what your talking about lol

[horrordude0215]

Richard is still my #1 suspect for scum right now, and his responses to the pressures on him seem to support my theory. As of right now, I think he's the best lynch

[horrordude0215]

Richard is still my #1 suspect for scum right now, and his responses to the pressures on him seem to support my theory. As of right now, I think he's the best lynch

Hi guys, I'm scum.

And you get this how?

[horrordude0215]

Just in case...

Unvote

But if there's a CC... I think I'll go back to you

[horrordude0215]

y r u so skumy

I'm scummy because I temporarily took my vote off of a claimed PR? Are you trying to get me lynched?

Vote: Crypto

[horrordude0215]

He was suspicious and when Richard became the wagon, he votes, and then unvotes when called out AGAIN.

I was suspicious of Richard... I still am (slightly). However, I didn't unvote when called out, I unvoted when he claimed a PR... sorry if I don't like lynching important roles

[horrordude0215]

You still unvoted earlier in the thread when called upon

Please show me that post

Your original vote on Richard seems to me as an attempted distraction from your wagon.[/quote]I didn't pay too much attention to my wagon, because I didn't think that it would happen. (Just a feeling I had) My vote on Richard was legit

Also, why do you believe Richard's claim?[/quote]This has already been said by others. He seemed really eager to prove us wrong on his wagon, so his claim sorta makes sense. And it's more of a precaution than anything

[horrordude0215]

Srry, messed up quote tags

[horrordude0215]

y r u so skumy

I'm scummy because I temporarily took my vote off of a claimed PR? Are you trying to get me lynched?

Vote: Crypto

OMGUS?

Not OMGUS... I have a reason for voting for him

[horrordude0215]

Sort of.

I am slightly confused by his vote on me, and I'm starting to think he's scum. He said that I was scummy immediately after I unvoted a claimed Tracker. If he comes in here and gives a reason for his vote/why he thinks that's scummy, I'll consider unvoting

[horrordude0215]

Thoughts?

Why?

[horrordude0215]

I'm voting Crypto

[horrordude0215]

I love clue... one of my favorite movies ever!

[horrordude0215]

Sorry everyone, RL has been hectic for the past few days... I'll try to get something of value posted later today.

[horrordude0215]

Noob question: What's ISO? I can't find it in the wiki

[horrordude0215]

Thanks guys... I've been doing a little rereading from my last post on page 17... I'm gonna see if I can come up with a new vote/argument soon

[horrordude0215]

Something tells me that Riddick's daykill was a test on WRP. and needless to say, he failed miserably.

Vote: WRP_Beater

[horrordude0215]

Wow

Lynch me if you want, you'll just be 1 less villager away from winning. Of course, I know crypto's been out for my blood since the beginning of the game, mainly without reason, and my lack of sleep when posting that just gave him an opportunity to go in for the kill

As for my defense, I can only claim noob. I still am getting used to the site and sorry if my strategy is flawed or whatever

Unvote

until I can get a chance to reread and see if anyone is particularly scummy.

[horrordude0215]

my lack of sleep when posting that just gave him an opportunity to go in for the kill

Lack of sleep is your excuse for saying, "Something tells me that Riddick's daykill was a test on WRP. and needless to say, he failed miserably"?

No, lack of sleep is my excuse for misreading the situation.

I don't feel like explaining myself to you anymore... It's not like it'll change your mind. I could claim cop and you'd still try and lynch me

[horrordude0215]

I think VT

[horrordude0215]

Why? It's not like it'll make a difference in the long run

[horrordude0215]

Something tells me that Riddick's daykill was a test on WRP. and needless to say, he failed miserably.

Vote: WRP_Beater

Why do you think this?

Well looking back, of course I don't think this any more... I was half asleep when I read through, and I was an idiot and didn't read through again before I posted

[horrordude0215]

If someone would be glad to explain the reason for the bandwagon on me, that'd be great.

There's an issue over a smiley that I used... I used it because he said that I was giving him "mildly scummy vibes". I asked the question and used the smiley because in my opinion, I hadn't done anything to warrant those vibes.

Horrordude, why aren't you trying to defend yourself?

I'm trying, but it's not working so well. I misread one situation and casted a vote on it, which I promptly unvoted because of it, and suddenly I'm more suspicious than anyone else. Basically, I know I'm about to be lynched, and it doesn't matter what I say, everyone's gonna gang up on me anyways.

I will however, make a case on Crypto in a minute.

[horrordude0215]

I ISO'd Crypto... my main suspect, and made a list of his actions.

ISO 1: Vote RayFrost - Random Vote, nothing scummy about that
ISO 5: Unvote RayFrost, Vote Cirno - Over an alt. issue... I'll let that one pass because I think it was probably a joke
ISO 13: Get's "midly scummy vibes" from me - I call bullshit on that one
ISO 14: Unvotes Cirno, Vote me - Based on the "Mildly Scummy Vibes"
ISO 21: Tries to convince Ythan to wagon on me
ISO 22: Ythan doesn't, so he reposts the same bullshit post
ISO 30: Unvotes me, votes Beater - Doesn't give a reason for it
ISO 31: Asks why saint unvoted me, when he unvoted me 1 post before that
ISO 41: Seems to be trying to rush the lynch
ISO 46: Unvotes Beater, Votes Richard - I like this move, but I think he did it because of the pre-existing bandwagon
ISO 49: FOS Ythan... no reason for that
ISO 57: FOS Saint... gives saint shit about bandwagoning when he is doing it as well
ISO 61: Unvotes Richard, votes me based off of his magic "Scum Chart"
ISO 75: FOS Cyanide for a dumbass reason.

And with that

Vote: Crypto

[horrordude0215]

Major FoS: Richard

You based your vote based on the fact that I used the " " smiley? Really?

[horrordude0215]

Re: Horror's Case

Iso. 5: A joke vote during RVS is not something you righteously "let . . . pass." It is, after all, a joke vote during RVS.
Iso. 13: Why? Gut reads are scummy? Congratulations! You've just condemned every player on this site who plays by any degree of gut at all whatsoever—which is nearly every person on the site.
Iso. 21: Yes, and your problem is . . . ? Why are you only opposed to wagons when they (attempt to) land on you?
Iso. 22:
Iso. 30: Voting without reason is not a scum tell. Nice try.
Iso. 31: I assume you are calling me a hypocrite—by implication, at least, because you apparently don't have the nerve to make the case outright. Huh. So I'm not allowed to ask someone why they did something, just because I did the same thing? You're not a big fan of scum hunting, are you?
Iso. 41: If you say so.
Iso. 46: Why do you like the move? What does your liking this specific move have to do with my alignment? Why do you think I just did it for the wagon? Was my reason not good enough? Why is doing it for the wagon a scum tell (in this situation)?
Iso. 49: That was a facetious FOS, and it was explained. Do your homework.
Iso. 57: I didn't wagon mindlessly like he did. I also didn't focus solely on players being wagoned, as you

just

proved by castigating me for voting for you: I was the only one who took that much interest in your scumminess.
Iso. 61: You don't think I have reasons?
Iso. 75: Why is it a dumbass reason?

Speaking of cases, reasons, and bandwagons, what the hell have you been doing all game? I'm looking through your iso. and I'm not seeing much.

HYPOCRITE!!1!

Even better is that you haven't done much until

now

. Waiting till you've got a rapidly growing wagon on you to make your case and then doing it on the guy who's been pushing your lynch all along . . . well, you know where I'm going with this.

ISO 5: I wasn't trying to imply that, so don't try and make it seem that way
ISO 13: I wasn't trying to say that Gut reads are scummy... I'm just saying that I hadn't done anything do deserve that read
ISO 21: I don't mind wagons on me most of the time... I was just saying it was a bullshit thing to try and say that Ythan is suspicious of me, when I didn't see any hint of it at all previously
ISO 22: What? It was a redundatant statement... I think that Ythan had saw it and then chose to ignore it.
ISO 30: It may not be a good scum tell, but it's not a very pro-town thing to do, don't you think?
ISO 31: I was calling you a hypocrite. Why you didn't ask yourself the same question, because if you did something and then asked a question of someone who did the same thing, why shouldn't you have to answer the question? (I think that question made sense... if not tell me and I can rephrase it)
ISO 41: "Why isn't he dead yet?" Nope, that's not trying to convince people to bandwagon, is it?
ISO 46: You ask a lot of questions.
1. I like the move because I think that Richard is scummy as well, and therefore I would support a Richard Lynch.
2. It doesn't have anything to do with your alignment... I probably should have left my feelings out of it.
3. I think you did it because you were going to try and get a mislynch (or you were bussing).
4. I didn't see you really give a good reason.
5. See number 3
ISO 49. Looking back, I agree with you there. Exclude that one from the list.
ISO 57: You took an interest in my scumminess? You admitted that you didn't have any evidence to go off of!
ISO 61: You haven't really explained any good ones
ISO 75: You immediately dismiss the possibility that you are scum because, well, it's you. I'm not buying it

[horrordude0215]

I was the one who brought up the smiley, why not FoS me instead?

Because you're not voting me because of it. (At least I don't think that's the reason)

[horrordude0215]

EBWOP: Whereas Richard has given no other reason for voting for me other than the fact that I used that smiley.

[horrordude0215]

Looking back, I realize that I missed this post

Wow

Lynch me if you want, you'll just be 1 less villager away from winning. Of course, I know crypto's been out for my blood since the beginning of the game, mainly without reason, and my lack of sleep when posting that just gave him an opportunity to go in for the kill

As for my defense, I can only claim noob. I still am getting used to the site and sorry if my strategy is flawed or whatever

Unvote

until I can get a chance to reread and see if anyone is particularly scummy.

I remember when I as a town once did this. I got lynched. Ima check your meta, too.

I only have 1 completed game on here (I was doc)... I can give you the link if you want.

I don't feel like explaining myself to you anymore... It's not like it'll change your mind. I could claim cop and you'd still try and lynch me

I don't like the quip about cop claiming.

Why? I was pointing out that he is so biased about me that he wouldn't even think about not trying to lynch me.

[horrordude0215]

ISO 30: It may not be a good scum tell, but it's not a very pro-town thing to do, don't you think?

Depending on the circumstances, it's a phenomenally pro-town thing to do. Here, it was simply an indication that I was disgusted with and suspicious of Beater's play.

Why didn't you say that in the post then?

I didn't ask myself the same question because (a) I already knew the answer and (b) in many situations I don't like being completely transparent about my reads.

Well now I'm asking you the question. Care to answer?

You've changed your argument. There's a gargantuan difference between "trying to rush the lynch" and "trying to convince people to bandwagon." Nice try.

"Bandwagon with me so we can lynch him faster"... seems like pretty much the same thing.

You like my move just because I agreed with you? Mere agreement is a town tell? Or is town tell not what you mean by "like the move"?

I like the move because I would support a Richard lynch, that's all.

Yes,

why

do you think that? You're arbitrarily picking that over a town motivation.

Because you're scummy as hell and I think that you were doing it for the wagon.

Lack of tangible evidence means there's no scumminess I can take interest in?

You haven't given me anything that I've done as scummy that I haven't already explained!

I don't feel the need to explain a bunch of reads when they're impertinent to the thread of conversation. Feel free to ask.

Asking now, thanks

Wow. This isn't rocket science. Take a long, hard look at this post and tell me my reason for FOSing Dr.Cyanide.

I don't buy it... Just because you don't think his argument wasn't good enough doesn't mean that you're not scum. It almost seems like an OMGUS to me

[horrordude0215]

I don't remember what he actually first did, but when asked about it, he noobclaimed

I'm a noob, I think I'm liable to make mistakes.

Appealed to emotion

I was having one of the shittiest days of my life at the time, and I didn't care whether or not the town lynched me.

Tried to dismiss his case

Aren't I supposed to do that? Or is it better to go "You're right about all of that, but I'm not scum, just trust me"?

Tried to put more suspicion on someone else.

Again, am I not supposed to do that? Even if I did say that I wasn't scum and offered good evidence for it, what good would it be if I didn't list someone that I suspected?

[horrordude0215]

Appealed to emotion

I was having one of the shittiest days of my life at the time, and I didn't care whether or not the town lynched me.

I'm really sorry about your day. In general though, AtEs are scummy. Also, I hate to bring it up, as I believe you, but if you are making that up to avoid suspicion, I would be really disappointed.

Believe me, after the day I had you would have felt the EXACT same way that I did, and know that I didn't say it to avoid suspicion.

Tried to dismiss his case

Aren't I supposed to do that? Or is it better to go "You're right about all of that, but I'm not scum, just trust me"?

there is a difference between proving why you are not scummy and distracting others from you case.

I don't think that I distracted others from my case... What I was trying to do was first of all figure out what the case on me was, and then I tried to prove the weakness and the flaws in it. It wasn't me trying to dismiss it altogether.

Tried to put more suspicion on someone else.

Again, am I not supposed to do that? Even if I did say that I wasn't scum and offered good evidence for it, what good would it be if I didn't list someone that I suspected?

again, trying to say: "here, don't pay attention to my case, look at theirs!

See above. I wasn't trying to distract others, but rather show them that even if they thought that I was scummy, there are others out there that are even scummier.

[horrordude0215]

Am I incorrect in finding that requests for replacement tend toward scum?

Yes... there's a lot of reasons that someone would replace out, the least of which would be that they got a scum role.

[horrordude0215]

I don't have to worry about anything like that because I'm obv. town

[horrordude0215]

If I wanted to link to your post I would click the little orange letter next to the timestamp:

(letter) Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: 664

Link to your post: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 46#2144046

I'll give you the link to the game in a minute... have to find it

[horrordude0215]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13277

I replaced in N1 as doc.

[horrordude0215]

I don't have to worry about anything like that because I'm obv. town

Heh.

Yes, that was meant as a joke.

Unrelated to the game: In reply to the end of your large post, thank you. Thanks for not just telling me that I'm scummy as hell and need to be lynched, but for teaching me how I can help better my strategy and everything. (Even if you do vote for me, the advice was really good and it's really appreciated)

[horrordude0215]

Horrordude, I also asked if one of those posts I quoted was in reply to something.

Looking back, I don't know why I made that post... I think it was just so I could make a post, unfortunately. I was really busy during that period of time and wasn't sure how much I was going to be able to post.

[horrordude0215]

I quoted and responded to all of Ythan's ISOs that he listed out.

Okay, what vibes from me are scummy?

Smiley in this posts reads to me as attempt to reduce the impact of the case indirectly.

What I see is "Blah blah blah I'm scum, but I'm trying to make up the most dumbass reasons for why someone else could be scum.

Okay, what vibes from me are scummy?

Smiley in this posts reads to me as attempt to reduce the impact of the case indirectly.

Or maybe I just like smileys!

That particularly smiley, unless you closed your eyes and picked one at random, would see to indicate that you're trying to laugh it away.

Here I am trying to defend myself, but at the same time trying to have some fun, and he sees it as a scum tell. (I later explained that I wasn't trying to laugh it away, but rather I didn't think that anything that I had done was scummy. I was really laughing when I read Crypto's comment saying that I was giving him mildly scummy vibes.)

I wasn't questioning H Dude for explaining his vote, but for framing it as less than completely serious.

Also, no pressure about smilies in general. Pressure about what I read (present tense, still do) as trying to undermine the case on him without really addressing it.

I've already said this: I wasn't trying to undermine the case on myself. *GASP!* He used another smiley! That's SURE sign of scum, isn't it?

y r u so skumy

I'm scummy because I temporarily took my vote off of a claimed PR? Are you trying to get me lynched?

Vote: Crypto

OMGUS?

I explained to him after this post that I had my reasons... you'll notice that he didn't reply to that.

Something tells me that Riddick's daykill was a test on WRP. and needless to say, he failed miserably.

Vote: WRP_Beater

This reads as following town. Since you are not a claimed PR and are not coming off very townishly at any point in the game

I already explained myself here, I'm not going to do it again.


Basically, the case on me is based off of the fact that I used a " " smiley and misread something. Also, Ythan's last post regarding me in really any way (other than saying that I'm scummy or trying to push my lynch) was his ISO 142... he's now on ISO 707. So what I get from that is sure, I was scummy for the first part of the game, but his past 600 posts have really done nothing to prove that I'm scum.

[horrordude0215]

How am I obv. scum other than a lameass gut read and the fact that I use smileys? So far no one has been able to explain that to me!

[horrordude0215]

You and Crypto have been tunneling me for so long it's not even funny! You're not even CONSIDERING anyone else

[horrordude0215]

You never commented on this part:

I also asked why you thought smilies was a scumtell, especially since horrordude abuses them throughout most of his posts.

[horrordude0215]

And I referred you back to where I already covered that ages ago.

I don't see it... and you didn't give a decent answer in any of your FOSs

[horrordude0215]

EBWOP: Sorry, ISOs

[horrordude0215]

Dude I don't care what you think. You're scum. I've made my point and I'm not going to keep humoring you. If anyone who isn't obvscum has any questions

about

Dude then I'll answer.

Dude, tunnel less why don't you?

[horrordude0215]

Dude I don't care what you think. You're scum. I've made my point and I'm not going to keep humoring you. If anyone who isn't obvscum has any questions

about

Dude then I'll answer.

Dude, tunnel less why don't you?

Dude, learn what terms mean before you use them.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... nel_vision

You sound pretty convinced to me, don't you think?

[horrordude0215]

but it can be blinding to new or better options that come along, because they do not match the player's "pet theory".

That seems to match you and crypto on the dot, IMO.

[horrordude0215]

I'd like to disagree with that. I really hope that people get on and see how little sense all of your arguments make and that you are EXTREMELY obv. scum.

Unvote, vote Ythan

And if you call it OMGUS, I will have to kill you.

[horrordude0215]

Learn what OMGUS is before you accuse others of it first, mkay?

[horrordude0215]

[quote="Wiki"[/quote]it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you. [/quote]I'm not voting for you just because you're voting for me. I'm voting for you because you're tunneling me without any real reason for doing so. Obv. scum is Obv. scum. And you, my friend, are Obv. Scum

[horrordude0215]

Fixed Quote Tags

it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you.

I'm not voting for you just because you're voting for me. I'm voting for you because you're tunneling me without any real reason for doing so. Obv. scum is Obv. scum. And you, my friend, are Obv. Scum

[horrordude0215]

Haha no.

I'm done arguing with you... I just hope that people will read this and see how scummy YOU are. Kthanksby

[horrordude0215]

For Probably the most dumbass and shittiest peice of fucking trash I've ever seen called a case!

[horrordude0215]

Actually, I unvoted Crypto and I'm now voting Ythan

[horrordude0215]

If I'm cornered, then why have I defended all of your pathetic excuses for arguments?

[horrordude0215]

Your arguments are shit and you know it. If you could give me 1 REAL reason you're voting for me, then I would understand the votes. But this is just ridiculous.

[horrordude0215]

I'm sorry, but that is by far the DUMBEST reason I've ever seen for calling a scumtell on anyone

[horrordude0215]

In the topic I posted, I wouldn't have a reason for using the smileys, and in my meta I was doc, so I tried to stay under the radar.

[horrordude0215]

And in my meta I made 5 posts before being NK'd. 1 of them included smileys. So proportionally, it's pretty much the same amount.

[horrordude0215]

In unrelated news, I'm installing a revolving door in this thread.

lol I wonder why

Do you have fun reading through our posts, knowing whether anyone's right or not?

[horrordude0215]

I'm not going to replace out. I wouldn't do that to someone else, because I've replaced into games before where my former was the scummiest person and was lynched as soon as I got there.

And Scribe has asked questions. You just haven't answered them

[horrordude0215]

I've already made my points... now it's up to everyone else to see the truth in them

[horrordude0215]

Well I know that I'm not going to convince you of anything, and quite frankly I'm tired of arguing with you. I'm fine with letting town decide, even if that means a lynch on myself.

Claim available on request. (Although I doubt you would believe me)

[horrordude0215]

Well I claim Vanilla Townie. I don't have any night actions

[horrordude0215]

Yeah, because VT is a dead giveaway for scum, isn't it?

And Crypto, THAT was role PM Paraphrasing

[horrordude0215]

Look, I get it... you're suspicious of me. You'll soon find out, though, that I wasn't lying.

FOR FUTURE REFERENCE IN CASE I AM LYNCHED (BECAUSE I WILL FLIP VT): YTHAN IS SCUM, POSSIBLY WITH CRYPTO

[horrordude0215]

Just so people will notice it:

FOR FUTURE REFERENCE IN CASE I AM LYNCHED (BECAUSE I WILL FLIP VT): YTHAN IS SCUM, POSSIBLY WITH CRYPTO

[horrordude0215]

Sounds like you just admitted that I probably will flip VT

And If I am lynched, It won't be because I suck, It'll be because either
a) You are scum
b) You are one of the most dumbass townies I've ever met

I'm leaning toward the first, although the second is very possible

[horrordude0215]

But then we'd be lynching you!

[horrordude0215]

Really? Because I'm pretty sure that I've posted more pro-town ideas than you!

And what do you call my ISO List on Crypto? That's not me attempting to scumhunt, is it?

[horrordude0215]

I could point to more, but like I said, I'm not going to be apart of this argument anymore. So you can politely go f#(k yourself.

[horrordude0215]

Please people lynch the crybaby before his tantrum

completely

ruins the thread.

Even though I know this player will flip town, lynch him anyways because I'm scum and want to see the only person suspicious of me lynched.

Fixed

[horrordude0215]

You know, you're just digging yourself a deeper hole for when I flip. Have fun with that!

[horrordude0215]

Actually, I think you and Crypto are the only ones that find me a "Terrible Player"

[horrordude0215]

Well if you don't like me talking, stop replying

[horrordude0215]

Well I know that I'm not going to convince you of anything, and quite frankly I'm tired of arguing with you. I'm fine with letting town decide, even if that means a lynch on myself.

Claim available on request. (Although I doubt you would believe me)

You claimed earlier O.o

No I didn't

[horrordude0215]

Again, could you just sum up the 3 main reasons you believe so profusely that horrordude is scum?

There's a point where even just repeating

references

to old posts where I did this is going to get old.

You listed a bunch of isos, none of which answered the question.

Is your strategy to repeatedly post how stupid and annoying the attacked player is?

Strategy is over, scum has already been revealed.

Yes, it's been revealed as you!

That's all I'm going to say on the matter. Now it's up for the rest of the group to decide who is the scummier party. I'll even admit that most people will probably vote for me for fear of NL, and I can accept that. I don't appreciate your constant attacks on my intelligence, however. Sure, I'm new and liable to make mistakes. However, don't treat me like I'm an idiot that doesn't deserve the air I'm breathing.

I signed up for this site because I wanted to have some fun playing the game of mafia. But people like you are the ones that ruin it for the rest of us, not basing your attacks on anything except that people are annoying and you don't want to hear them post any more. If you think I'm scummy, then just say it. Don't go on a 6 page bickering spree with me. And I know that I contributed my fair share to the problem, and I'm willing to apologize for that. However, I think that I deserve an apology from you as well.

That's all that I'm going to say. If anyone has any questions or comments for me, I'll be glad to answer them, but I don't want another repeat of the events that have occurred over the past few days.

[horrordude0215]

horror can you summarise your case on ythan in a couple of easy to read sentences for me?

My case isn't that strong, and I'll admit it. It's more of a gut read than anything. I just think that his reasons for voting for me are utter bullshit. Let's see: I used a smiley... guess no one told me that I couldn't do that! As for his other points on me... wait, there aren't any!

Everyone declared it a total OMGUS vote, when in reality, I voted for him because his case on me was, well, shit.

[horrordude0215]

Oh wait, I missed the fact that you tried to make my misread of Riddick's daykill as scum, when I had already explained that.

I checked all of the ISOs you listed, and those are the only 2 cases you presented against me. Now please tell me: Is there any other evidence you have against me?

[horrordude0215]

Which ones? All of those cases were in your ISOs.

Now please stop avoiding the question

[horrordude0215]

How do you see that as distancing?

[horrordude0215]

Ythan, congratulations! You've almost gotten 1 less townie in the game, so you're close to satisfying your win condition!

[horrordude0215]

I never said that I was going to stop posting. And my posts aren't pointless, either.

BTW, what will you say when I flip town? "Oops, thought he was scum. Guess I was wrong. Just trust me when I say that I'm not scum!"

[horrordude0215]

NS... that was the hammer.

For my bah post:

BAH!!!

Good luck in the rest of the game everyone! Go town!

[horrordude0215]

Horrid I think you should claim your role at this point.

I already claimed VT

[horrordude0215]

I'll see what I can do, although you know you're asking me to not look at my 3 top suspects, right?

[horrordude0215]

I'm really busy tonight, but I'll see if I can scrape something together by the weekend if that's okay

[horrordude0215]

When you don't really answer the questions asked, it's pretty obvious you're scum

Also, why is it that you have to pick arguments with everyone Ythan? It's not a good strategy to insult the people you want to vote the same way as you

*Goes back to watching the "discussion"*

[horrordude0215]

Dude is an opportunistic idiot attempting to ride someone else's flimsy coattails and wagon me. Seriously he even admitted to lurking. Can we just lynch this awful guy already.

I never admitted to lurking. I was just doing what you asked: I stopped posting.

Besides, without me this thread would be boring!

[horrordude0215]

Besides, without me this thread would be boring!

Because we wouldn't have such obvious scum to lynch.

You would still be around though... Seriously, and you call ME the dumbass?

[horrordude0215]

I've pretty much given up. I started reading through the thread and couldn't find anyone stick out to me as scummy.

How do people generally respond to suicide votes here if the person is town?

[horrordude0215]

EBWOP: That was directed at someone that's not Ythan

[horrordude0215]

I'm L-1 right now I believe

[horrordude0215]

Sorry, I missed the Farside unvote

[horrordude0215]

I have to say, today was fun.

I don't know if that's the word I'd use for it

[horrordude0215]

Ythan, I've wanted to say this for a while:

FUCK YOU

K, I'm happy now!

*Gasp* Another smiley!

How's this for you?

[horrordude0215]

For the most imbecilic fucking reasons I have EVER seen in a game of mafia!

You are perhaps the worst player I think I've ever met, in fact. If you are scum, you suck, because when I flip VT, you will (or at least should) be lynched for tunneling me so hard. And if you're town, well, I don't think I need to comment because you're not town.

AGAIN, YTHAN IS SCUM... THAT IS ALL

[horrordude0215]

How am I hurting the town? Because I refuse to back down to the most idiotic reasons for lynching ever?

[horrordude0215]

I understand that there are no real reasons for lynching me, and that you need go go soak your miserable fucking head in a vat of boiling acid.

[horrordude0215]

Oh I can take anything thrown at me, I just throw right back.

And my arguments made pretty good sense: You tunnel me, knowing that I'll flip town, and therefore you are scum.

Wheras yours made none: I used a smiley! I misread a situation and then promptly explained myself and unvoted!

And then you never actually answer the questions provided by DS.

Unvote, Vote: horrordude0215

Somone fucking hammer already... and Ythan, if I haven't said it before,

Mod note: REDACTED

And let's add a smiley at the end of that, just for fun!

[horrordude0215]

I'm so pissed right now, I don't really care.

[horrordude0215]

Ya know what? I'm not even going to comment on that post

and at your signature

[horrordude0215]

Don't worry, DC... I'm not angry at you.

This, however, has been probably the shittiest fucking day I've had in my entire life, and Ythan didn't do much to help me there. Earlier this week my parents had a massive fight, and that's why I was upset then.

I just found out that my parents, who have been together for 20 years, are splitting up. So please don't hold this against me, as I am liable to say some things that I don't mean.

I should have stopped and logged off when I had the chance, but instead I let Ythan get the best of me. Congratulations, you have made this day the worst day I have ever had. Ever. I hope you feel happy now

[horrordude0215]

That was a great game to watch... good job scum!

Obviously my play was a bit, well, erratic, to say the least. I would appreciate all tips on how I can improve it! And I'm also going to apologize again for some of my actions/comments... As mentioned before, I was going through a really hard time and wasn't really myself.

Good job everyone!

[horrordude0215]

horrordude went out in a blaze of swearing.

If you think this is a bad thing then I'm offended and I feel that you should reconsider your stance.

I still think that my deathscene was one of the funniest I've read in a while.