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Possibly? There was no reason for her to vote herself at all.Pomegranate wrote:
Possibly. But there was no reason for her to continue voting for herself, and she didn't. I FoS'ed her in jest. As far as I understood, she voted herself in jest, too.Zachrulez wrote:Would you have found it suspicious had she not unvoted?
Unvote: Vote: Promegranate
What do you think was the motivation of her self vote? Does that action make her more likely to be town or scum in your eyes? Did anything in your exchange help you toward determining the intent of that action?-
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What makes a Chibo wagon better than an Almaster wagon?Peabody wrote:
Sooo why didn't you just join a bandwagon that's already in place? Chibo looks like a great bandwagon right now.RayFrost wrote:hmmm...
Well, I'm not seeing discussion go anywhere...
gah, this is why I prefer replacing in >.<
vote: almasterGM
cuz a bandwagon starts discussion!
I don't get why you're trying to redirect Ray's vote.-
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Haven't finished reading yet, but I got to this post and felt like this link would be helpful to metaing looker.RayFrost wrote:I believe you mean page 6 >.>
Also, I am kinda wary of a looker lynch at this stage of the game because of an... experience with looker-town.
So far, looker's played close to looker-town meta (meta is gained from an on-going, so I can't link, sorry).
A looker-town is pretty incompetent and has no real leads and is pretty much a baby in ability.
I don't have any experience with looker-scum, so this might be the same either way.
I'd like to hold off on voting for a bit until I get a better read on looker.
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looker sniped me
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Well we're 13 pages in now, how much more time are you going to need to get your good reads?Pomegranate wrote:
Sorry, willZachrulez wrote:I'm interested in seeing more from Pome. I'd like her to clarify whether she's still happy with her vote on me or not[....]Unvoteyou for now. I need to get some good reads before voting.-
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I personally want to see more from Pomegranite and Haylen.RayFrost wrote: Pome, Konowa, and everybody else catching up:
what are your reads/feelings about the number of interactions so far in the game?
Not particularly liking what I am seeing from Chibo, Peabody and Alamaster.
Looker could actually be a decent scumhunting tool depending on his alignment. (Which I think it should be quite important for us to determine ASAP.) I won't elaborate further at this time on that matter.
Everyone else is kinda off my radar for one reason or another, which could be due to needing to post more, or needing to post something that grabs my attention.-
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Well for one... did I say I needed to get some good reads before I voted? Actually, I like my vote in that it helps me get a read on you, and I want to see more from you to improve that read.Pomegranate wrote: Zachrulez-
I'd be fine with this if not for this, a few minutes later:Zachrulez wrote:
Well we're 13 pages in now, how much more time are you going to need to get your good reads?Pomegranate wrote:
Sorry, willZachrulez wrote:I'm interested in seeing more from Pome. I'd like her to clarify whether she's still happy with her vote on me or not[....]Unvoteyou for now. I need to get some good reads before voting.
That seems hypocritical to me. Could you explain why it's not (unless you think it is too )?Everyone else is kinda off my radar for one reason or another, which could be due to needing to post more, or needing to post something that grabs my attention.
And second, you don't expect me to have a good read on EVERYONE do you? And no, I didn't expect you to have a good read on everyone either, I just want to see you doing more to try to get reads on people, while you seem content with posting little/not at all.
For the record, I tend to disagree with your town read on Haylen.
Here's why.
If Haylen does actually post her super big post that she's promising that gives opinions on multiple players and isn't opportunistically attacking someone after active lurking through the early game, then I might be inclined to change my opinion of her.-
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In regards to your name, I think of granite when I sound out your name, sorry about that :s. I'll try to keep the proper spelling of your name in mind while I determine whether or not you are a scumbag.
Also, active lurking is scummy. There is a distinction between actively lurking, (Reading the thread without posting in such a way that appears strategic.) and lurking in general.-
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Any thoughts on that misrep by the way?RayFrost wrote:
Do you often vote people for one instance of misrepresentation without waiting for an explanation?Zachrulez wrote:Unvote: Vote: Peabody
Do you often misrepresent people so blatently?
It's really bad, especially because he responded to the person who actually typed the quote he tried to use against Looker. Are you liable to believe that it was really some kind of mistake on Peabody's part?-
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I find the reason valid now. Go through your own process of determining what you think about it, but I don't see why you're making such a big deal about my vote. (Unless you actually expect me to play to your standards.)RayFrost wrote:
Rosso's was pressure. This one has a reason.Zachrulez wrote:Well it's a reason, on day 1, early in the game.
What makes it any more arbitrary than the wagon that formed on Rosso?
I'd rather see if the reason is valid before, y'know, voting. I won't be voting for pressure if I do vote, so yeah.-
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RayFrost wrote:
...Peabody wrote:Woops! I'm sorry dude, I must have misread the name. My bad. Thanks for pointing that out.
that's your response?
you misread the name?
so you misread AlmasterGM to read Looker...
not buying it.
unvote, vote peabodyRayFrost wrote:
Do you often vote people for one instance of misrepresentation without waiting for an explanation?Zachrulez wrote:Unvote: Vote: Peabody
Do you often misrepresent people so blatently?RayFrost wrote:
I find it to be worth looking into, but not something to arbitrarily vote over.Zachrulez wrote:
Any thoughts on that misrep by the way?RayFrost wrote:
Do you often vote people for one instance of misrepresentation without waiting for an explanation?Zachrulez wrote:Unvote: Vote: Peabody
Do you often misrepresent people so blatently?
It's really bad, especially because he responded to the person who actually typed the quote he tried to use against Looker. Are you liable to believe that it was really some kind of mistake on Peabody's part?
I think itisa possibility that he did. I want to wait for his response before hounding him.
Nice to see you've changed you mind.-
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Who are you referring to being scum?Peabody wrote:Well then, there's not much I can do to defend myself. If someone wants to be constructive and ask me questions, I would rather that happen. What I'm seeing right now isyou are obviously scum, so I'm closing my ears to everything you say. Several people did mention my misrepresentation could be a mistake. Now all of a sudden, I can't get a benefit of the doubt?
Also my defense is not WIFOM. Mafia would have NOTHING to gain by doing what I did unless they want to lose the game. If it is WIFOM, I honestly believe this claim MUST be considered.
I'm amused by how fast certain people jumped on my bandwagon.-
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Attempt to actively derail wagon is noted.Rosso Carne wrote:really dont like this wagon on peabody.
it was started over something very very minor, this ought to go nowhere. The fact that looker and co found this to be so scummy to push pb to a lynch is really telling.
noted.
An explanation of why it's minor would probably carry more weight than just saying it is.-
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Then you learn fast.Peabody wrote:
No, not that time.Zachrulez wrote:Did you manually type out the names you quoted in post 382?
Your misrep isn't the only point against you.
I also find that scummy.Zachrulez wrote:
What makes a Chibo wagon better than an Almaster wagon?Peabody wrote:
Sooo why didn't you just join a bandwagon that's already in place? Chibo looks like a great bandwagon right now.RayFrost wrote:hmmm...
Well, I'm not seeing discussion go anywhere...
gah, this is why I prefer replacing in >.<
vote: almasterGM
cuz a bandwagon starts discussion!
I don't get why you're trying to redirect Ray's vote.-
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To the bold, why would you say this when you're supposed to possess the knowledge that you are a vigilante?ChiboSempai wrote:That doesn't make sense that I became suspicious of you only after Konowa's questions, it was after your recent posts. I don't have to come out and say everything I'm thinking at every moment, but if I'm asked questions, I will answer (as long as it's not something I can't blatantly just say out of the blue). I explained why I was suspicious of you. Nothing too serious, but something to note.
The night kills were surprising and could tell us something... So there were two night kills, and since we have the mafia and a serial killer,does this rule out the chance of a vigilante?That, or can one of the 3 possible killers (mafia, sk, vigilante) forego their night kill? Only Vigilante can do that right? unless the mafia could as well?-
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Rolefishing. If a kill was blocked, it was blocked by a mafia roleblocker that won't claim, or a jailkeeper, who weChiboSempai wrote: Who roleblocked who? The answer to that points to our SK. I guarantee you.DO NOTwant to claim right now.
Seriously, how do you KNOW the kill was blocked? Not just blocked, but ROLEBLOCKED. If a kill was stopped, it could have just as easily been a jailkeeper doc saving a player (And also role blocking them.)-
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Disregard stricken, I'm forgetting he was tracked, he couldn't have tried to kill anyone else. I'm being silly.Zachrulez wrote:
Rolefishing. If a kill was blocked, it was blocked by a mafia roleblocker that won't claim, or a jailkeeper, who weChiboSempai wrote: Who roleblocked who? The answer to that points to our SK. I guarantee you.DO NOTwant to claim right now.
Seriously, how do you KNOW the kill was blocked? Not just blocked, but ROLEBLOCKED. If a kill was stopped, it could have just as easily been a jailkeeper doc saving a player (And also role blocking them.)-
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Eh, we don't know for sure that the SK is nk immune.
I'm pretty convinced that Chibo is not town anyway though.
The only thing that's really stopping me from voting is that I want to give everyone a chance to check in, and I don't really want to see a quick lynch before that happens. It has been proven that this town is capable and willing to end the day early.-
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Alright, I've been giving this a bit of thought.
@Chibo
Is it your position that you believe that SK had his kill blocked? I just want to get this straight.
Would you be willing to follow the town's direction, should it be self vigging, not vigging, vigging at town's discretion under penalty of death if you defy the town?
I can see it possible that you are suffering from confirmation bias in regards to being the vig and are unable to come up with a reasonable defense to the circumstances or a powerfully convincing explanation, but despite all that may actually still be the vig.
I could see how you might be lead to believe that an SK would have to be compulsive, as the wiki tends to lead to that belief.
What do you think about the fact that people are accusing you of being an SK? (Frankly, I'm not in this camp personally, I can explain my position when you answer.)-
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Except that he said he won't do it.
Why exactly would you want yourself lynched over Chibo? That doesn't really make any sense to me. You don't think he's scum?-
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Vote: ChiboSempai
Post 430, post 447, and post 528 are good reads to understand my reasoning.
His suspicions in Post 430 do not match up with his vig target.
His analysis and attempt to rule out the vig in 447 look pretty bad as well.
His refusal to even consider the option of self vigging in 528 when he's caught in a kill is also pretty telling IMO.-
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This has not escaped my notice either. She's got a spot on my suspicion list right below alamaster and chibo.canadianbovine wrote:beside chibo, im suspicious of haylen for semi active lurking.
all this time we've questioned chibo and alm, s/he has promised posts, claimed to have typed it up, claimed to of lost her post, and said she would post on tuesday a post she already typed. we're lacking that post.-
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I have to disagree with you here, if there's a unclaimed vig out there that's NOT Chibo, (which means Chibo is lying.) then we want that vig to SHOOT Chibo. It eliminates a big problem for us if that is the case.J-Fox wrote:
The only problem with the above there (though I do agree with you that Almaster is a much better lynch than Chibo today) is that the scum may WIFOM us by not taking him out tonight, leading us to believe he really is Mafia when he may not be.Konowa wrote:cb, I do not think a Chibo lynch is the right way to go today because I believe it will solve itself overnight. If the mafia is smart they will shoot him tonight before he starts shooting them. If he is the SK, lynching him will not revealanythingabout who is mafia. I truly believe that Almaster is mafia and his flip will tell us a lot.
If Chibo is SK, we will definately know by tomorrow, because he has pledged not to kill, so there are 3 kills tomorrow, we will know it was down to an SK-Chibo (this actually gets me thinking, I reckon it may be a good idea to ask our Vig, if he does exist and is not Chibo, does not kill tonight so we can definately be sure that, if there are 2 kills tomorrow, Chibo's was one of them, and he is an SK, what does everyone else think to this? I suppose it does waste a potential kill, that could have been on scum, but it also has a decent chance of hitting town too, and with the amount of Vanilla's down, a Vig-shot is pretty likely to hit a PR if he gets a town, so I reckon it may be worth it).
If we establish that Chibo is definately not the SK, then there is no way for sure to be able to tell if he's Mafia or Vig that I can think of right now. I doubt we will find any actually, but we should keep thinking all the same, would make things a lot easier for us. But I conclude that, because of what I said in the paragraph above, it would be a bad idea to lynch Chibo today, so we can find out tonight whether he is the scum-role we primarily suspect him to be, the SK. And Konowa is definately right, there has been so much opinion posted around about Almaster, that knowing his role could potentially tell us a lot about the game.-
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I'm torn between wanting to vote for Alamaster for that post and being tempted to vote for Haylen due to her lack of posting...AlmasterGM wrote:
L-1. I dare you.ChiboSempai wrote:I want to call his bluff. A townie would not act against the town like that. Someone vote him (since I already am) to put him at L-1.
I think I have decided that I don't want to lynch Chibo today though.-
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Oh f---AlmasterGM wrote:
No need to get personal. But yes you are. And if you aren't, why don't you do something instead of just complaining about the situation repeatedly?Haylen wrote:
Fuck off. No im not.ALGM wrote:Chibo is scum.
Haylen is scum.
J-Fox is probably scum.
I didn't really want to the first time. However, I said I would, and I never bluff. Have it your way.ChiboSempai wrote:Nice try Almaster, you've got one more chance, since you didn't follow the rules. Still wanna vote yourself?
Unvote. Vote: AlmasterGM.
Are you serious?
If you flip town I hate you.-
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Actually on night 2 my gut was telling me you were town. I actually had a passing thought to discuss with Konowa the possibility of recruiting you instead, but going for Bovine seemed more logical.ChiboSempai wrote:gg everyone
told you i was vig
im so glad that before sending in my night 3 actions i reread most of it and correctly guessed the role of every single remaining player after knowing rayfrost was scum.
gj haylen on the win
im just glad i was able to help turn around the extreme disadvantage from town and advantage for mafia and help mafia not win
Stupid logic. Should have trusted my gut.-
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