Mini 851 - Bloodlust Mafia! - Game Over

RayFrost · Post Post #275 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:45 am

I am uncertain about Chibo's vote... it seems more "you aren't helping town" than "you are probably scum" reasoning. getting rid of the most detrimental to town when you have no scum reads is great, but...

ChiboSempai · Post Post #276 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:53 am

Allow me to elaborate.

The fact that he's hiding information especially on who he's suspicious of and who he's been suspicious of in the past alone is a scumtell.

He also says what he thinks the best way to play mafia as a townie is, and yet he doesn't even follow that! That is also a scumtell.

Those were more of the obvious parts imo, I has just happened to explain more in detail about the questions I wasn't sure people would get, like #5. It was all to read his playstyle and look for contradictions, which there were plenty of. Inconsistent information = a bad lier. Combine that with refusing to answer some questions. He's trying to cover up something.

Rosso Carne · Post Post #277 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:56 am

ChiboSempai wrote:
Rosso Carne wrote:1. have talked about at length. will consider HAMMAH!-ing looker as well for poor performance on this page.
2. stupid question
3. way too many for you to count.
4. I'm awesome.
5. Are you rolefishing? Please don't.
6. Find scum, and kill them. Your vote is your weapon, and you are the most powerful person in the game since scum have better targets.
I really didn't think I would receive answers like this. You would have probably been better off saying screw you, I don't feel like answering questions.

You dodged every single question but the last one. You might as well dodged the last one as well since it's a contradiction imo.

I asked these questions for a reason, especially some that should be obvious but asking simple questions that should be known by many are there prove contradictions, changes in your thoughts, etc.

Question 1: You refuse to answer the question, and tack on two things that don't even belong there, mentioning hammah again, and saying that Looker has had poor performance on this page, which I disagree with.

Question 2: Good answer.... -_- (sarcastic)

Question 3: You could give either a ballpark estimate, or find a way to say a lot without the edge comment. You also didn't say if they were all on mafiascum or what.

Question 4: Terrible response. You're just avoiding the question.

Question 5: Again, you're dodging the question.
The reason I asked this specifically is because it was a situation I was in during a mafia game not too long ago, and there was a lot to be told from it. The mentality behind some people were that since the independent wasn't town, he should be lynched since he wasn't on our side, yet he wasn't against us either. People's decision on this shows me the kind of people you want to target, how valuable your vote is early in the game, etc. By the way, what had happened was that the independent was lynched, and he ended up being a Jester as I had suspected.

Question 6: You actually answer this, but I don't like your response at all. You mention how your vote is your most powerful weapon, yet you hardly use it, since you only hammah. Other players have been using votes with bandwagons to apply pressure, etc, but you haven't even used your vote once yet so far. Technically using it as a hammah vote is using it, but not to the importance you make it out to be. I also don't understand your comment on scum having targets.

You're posts are becoming more demeaning, and you're trying hard now to cast suspicion on Looker through criticizing his playstyle, calling him a noob, and even bringing him up unreasonably in your answers to my question.

You're clearly detrimental to the game, it's a shame. Hopefully if it gets to it you'll be willing to hammah yourself, can you resist the hammah vote?

Vote: Rosso Carne

yeah, dont like this speech at all.

your relationship to looker is noted. Nothing I said was unreasonable. If I choose not to answer your questions, I have a reason for it, and that doesnt make me scum. As far as Looker, the reasons I brought were valid completely.

My answer to your Q6 i guess was not all I think. The townies greatest weapon by far is his voice and his mind. I use both. its helpful.

Looker · Post Post #278 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:59 am

Rosso Carne wrote:ORLY?

you play like a noob and your join is 09

alts

Looker · Post Post #279 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:02 am

Wait, missed the second post. What relation?

How is it that you've missed every tie to every other player within this thread? You can't simply acknowledge one to your convenience, that's not fair or right at all. If anything, it'd look more like I had a relationship with you because my vote was on you originally...wouldn't it? Heck, I don't know, I'm just a n000000000b.

Rosso Carne · Post Post #280 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:03 am

Looker wrote:Wait, missed the second post. What relation?

How is it that you've missed every tie to every other player within this thread? You can't simply acknowledge one to your convenience, that's not fair or right at all. If anything, it'd look more like I had a relationship with you because my vote was on you originally...wouldn't it? Heck, I don't know, I'm just a n000000000b.

your skirting around a detrimental observation is noted.

way to protect your scum buddy.

I understand that everyone is connected, were in a game. But your play sucks, and yet chibo comes to your side right away.

theres your scum pair people.

RayFrost · Post Post #281 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:09 am

Rosso Carne wrote:
Looker wrote:Wait, missed the second post. What relation?

How is it that you've missed every tie to every other player within this thread? You can't simply acknowledge one to your convenience, that's not fair or right at all. If anything, it'd look more like I had a relationship with you because my vote was on you originally...wouldn't it? Heck, I don't know, I'm just a n000000000b.
your skirting around a detrimental observation is noted.

way to protect your scum buddy.

I understand that everyone is connected, were in a game. But your play sucks, and yet chibo comes to your side right away.

theres your scum pair people.

We have three scum.

Who do you think the third is?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #282 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:11 am

Do you not remember I've had a suspicion on Looker for quite a while now and had my vote cast on him up until I saw his answers to my questions? After people voiced their doubts about you (Rosso) I had figured the questions would apply to you pretty well also, so I had you answer them. Your answers gave me a bunch of contradictions and scumtells resulting in me voting for you.

You had valid reasons for not answering my questions. The only extent of an excuse you had was Q1, which you said you talked about already, but I asked it again specifically (for the reason I said in the big post). Q2 and Q4 you said stupid question and im awesome (for a reason not to vote you) respectively. You're only digging your hole deeper.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:12 am

RayFrost wrote:
Rosso Carne wrote:
Looker wrote:Wait, missed the second post. What relation?

How is it that you've missed every tie to every other player within this thread? You can't simply acknowledge one to your convenience, that's not fair or right at all. If anything, it'd look more like I had a relationship with you because my vote was on you originally...wouldn't it? Heck, I don't know, I'm just a n000000000b.
your skirting around a detrimental observation is noted.

way to protect your scum buddy.

I understand that everyone is connected, were in a game. But your play sucks, and yet chibo comes to your side right away.

theres your scum pair people.
We have three scum.

Who do you think the third is?

Remember that there is a SK also. Essentially, there are 4 people we want out.

Rosso Carne · Post Post #284 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:26 am

ChiboSempai wrote:Do you not remember I've had a suspicion on Looker for quite a while now and had my vote cast on him up until I saw his answers to my questions? After people voiced their doubts about you (Rosso) I had figured the questions would apply to you pretty well also, so I had you answer them. Your answers gave me a bunch of contradictions and scumtells resulting in me voting for you.

You had valid reasons for not answering my questions. The only extent of an excuse you had was Q1, which you said you talked about already, but I asked it again specifically (for the reason I said in the big post). Q2 and Q4 you said stupid question and im awesome (for a reason not to vote you) respectively. You're only digging your hole deeper.

bussing is a perfectly valid way to play.

Rosso Carne · Post Post #285 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:28 am

RayFrost wrote:
Rosso Carne wrote:
Looker wrote:Wait, missed the second post. What relation?

How is it that you've missed every tie to every other player within this thread? You can't simply acknowledge one to your convenience, that's not fair or right at all. If anything, it'd look more like I had a relationship with you because my vote was on you originally...wouldn't it? Heck, I don't know, I'm just a n000000000b.
your skirting around a detrimental observation is noted.

way to protect your scum buddy.

I understand that everyone is connected, were in a game. But your play sucks, and yet chibo comes to your side right away.

theres your scum pair people.
We have three scum.

Who do you think the third is?

I dunno really. If they were smart, theyd be in the lowlight right now. I figured it would come later on as its not completely necessary to flush every single one out now.

Rosso Carne · Post Post #286 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:29 am

ChiboSempai wrote:Allow me to elaborate.

The fact that he's hiding information especially on who he's suspicious of and who he's been suspicious of in the past alone is a scumtell.

He also says what he thinks the best way to play mafia as a townie is, and yet he doesn't even follow that! That is also a scumtell.

Those were more of the obvious parts imo, I has just happened to explain more in detail about the questions I wasn't sure people would get, like #5. It was all to read his playstyle and look for contradictions, which there were plenty of. Inconsistent information = a bad lier. Combine that with refusing to answer some questions. He's trying to cover up something.

Thats reaching int he highest degree. Lynching someone becasue they dont play the game how you think it should be played is just detrimental to the game. Reaching for dumb reasons to lynch someone just helps the scum win the game.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #287 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:43 am

It's not that I think you're playing it wrong, it's that you said how you think a townie should play the game, and you're not playing it that way.

Zachrulez · Post Post #288 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:47 am

Going to try to catch up over lunch. (I think I fell behind at page 7.)

I also tend to be less active over the weekend, so accusing me of lurking for not posting on the weekend in a sea of 4 pages that appeared on Sunday alone will only serve to annoy me.

AlmasterGM · Post Post #289 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:18 am

ChiboSempai wrote:
Remember that there is a SK also. Essentially, there are 4 people we want out.

Is there ALWAYS a SK? I checked the wiki, but it didn't specify.

Zachrulez · Post Post #290 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:23 am

AlmasterGM wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
Remember that there is a SK also. Essentially, there are 4 people we want out.
Is there ALWAYS a SK? I checked the wiki, but it didn't specify.

... this setup is semi open. You would know there's an SK in the game if you'd bothered to read the setup and rules...

AlmasterGM · Post Post #291 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:28 am

Zachrulez wrote:
AlmasterGM wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
Remember that there is a SK also. Essentially, there are 4 people we want out.
Is there ALWAYS a SK? I checked the wiki, but it didn't specify.
... this setup is semi open. You would know there's an SK in the game if you'd bothered to read the setup and rules...

Asking was easier. Thanks.

Zachrulez · Post Post #292 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:33 am

RayFrost wrote:I believe you mean page 6 >.>

Also, I am kinda wary of a looker lynch at this stage of the game because of an... experience with looker-town.

So far, looker's played close to looker-town meta (meta is gained from an on-going, so I can't link, sorry).

A looker-town is pretty incompetent and has no real leads and is pretty much a baby in ability.

I don't have any experience with looker-scum, so this might be the same either way.

I'd like to hold off on voting for a bit until I get a better read on looker.

pre-edit:

looker sniped me

Haven't finished reading yet, but I got to this post and felt like this link would be helpful to metaing looker.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10297

Zachrulez · Post Post #293 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:05 am

I'm interested in seeing more from Pome. I'd like her to clarify whether she's still happy with her vote on me or not, and answer a simple question of whether or not she thinks I am scum.

Zachrulez · Post Post #294 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:06 am

Also a top suspect from Looker would be nice. Pome? (I think that's where his vote is.)

Pomegranate · Post Post #295 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:32 am

I've never played with Rosso when he was scum before, but if he's town I think he can be very helpful. One time he vigged me N1 correctly(, I was the mafia godfather). He said that he based it of of D1 reads, and considering that I had never played with him before, I think he can play a good pro-town game. I say that we don't lynch him today, and wait until tomorrow to see how scummy he's acting then.

Konowa · Post Post #296 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:32 am

Back. Catching up now.

Pomegranate · Post Post #297 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:32 am

Oh, missed page 12. Will read through it now.

Pomegranate · Post Post #298 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:37 am

Zachrulez wrote:I'm interested in seeing more from Pome. I'd like her to clarify whether she's still happy with her vote on me or not[....]

Sorry, will

Unvote

you for now. I need to get some good reads before voting.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #299 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:25 am

Pomegranate wrote:I've never played with Rosso when he was scum before, but if he's town I think he can be very helpful. One time he vigged me N1 correctly(, I was the mafia godfather). He said that he based it of of D1 reads, and considering that I had never played with him before, I think he can play a good pro-town game. I say that we don't lynch him today, and wait until tomorrow to see how scummy he's acting then.

Seems interesting. Did he play the same way that game that he is now? Normally I don't like to bring other games into stuff, but info is info.