MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (SSK's Subgame): Game OVER!

[chenhsi]

/confirm

[chenhsi]

Of course. Can we start discussing/playing?

[chenhsi]

Does it matter if they are not confirmed? I see no reason why we cannot discuss without 1 person.

[chenhsi]

what is going on here

Here? We are discussing what is happening everywhere but here. Read the other threads, and please post something more useful than "huh?".

[chenhsi]

Curious to see what happens:

Vote: SpyreX

[chenhsi]

Could we just try a SpyreX (or anyone in one of the other games) lynch? It would be quite interesting to see what happens.

[chenhsi]

Look more at your own game and less at ours/Tar's. Yes, look at all 3 games. Just don't let it distract you from yours. Chenhsi is probably scum because of his anxiousness to start and attempts to lynch a player not in their game. My vote would be on Chenhsi and unlikely to move if I was there.

I am looking at our own game as well.
I don't see why being anxious to start is a scumtell.
I wanted to test if voting someone in another game would work. I'm not pushing for a lynch on SpyreX specifically, I just felt that he was being scummy for proposing the alliance, so I chose him as my "test subject".

[chenhsi]

unvote SpyreX

Vote not appearing on the other VC decreases the chance that the vote actually works.

I didn't realize that lynching someone in another game meant that we get 1 less chance to lynch scum in our own game

Why, if our attempted lynch at an outsider failed, would we no lynch by default? I thought that the day would just continue, and we would then lynch someone in our own game.

[chenhsi]

Wow, I definitely think we can vote for people in other threads.
Look at our vote count it is 1-12. SSk's is 13-24 and FL's is 25-36.

unvote vote SpryeX

(i just want to see if this will work...their games in the day phase)

*facepalm*

qwints: I did as well.

[chenhsi]

I didn't realize that lynching someone in another game meant that we get 1 less chance to lynch scum in our own game

I'm curious as to why you would assume we could lynch another sub-game and still continue our day. A lynch typically ends the day in most games, doesn't it?

I realized that a successful lynch would end the game, I just didn't make the connection with losing an opportunity to lynch in our own game while scum getting a NK.

chenhsi: Trying to lynch someone in the other game?

Most of us were pretty positive it wouldn't work

, and you decided to test it anyway. I have a slightly scummy read here.

I was not aware of the part I bolded.

Starbuck: Tried to stop us from starting before Mr. Big got here. Trying to stall the game before Day 1 began? Perhaps. Fairly neutral read here, maybe slightly scummy.

I may be confused but confirmation stage is before the game starts, so how can something in confirmation stage be held against someone?

You already have your role by then. Also, mafia want to delay the game starting so they have more time to discuss with scum buddies.

[chenhsi]

From FL's game:

Question: I'm not really clear here, and I'm not sure if anyone is, but...do scum know who the scum in the other games are? Should we be looking for cross-game connections where scum in one game might be trying to defend their buddies in a different game?

<23a> If a faction has factional abilities (i.e, Mafia kill) that does not use the aforementioned formatting, that faction may use that ability to target a player in any subgame which contains a member of that faction.

I believe that they have scum buddies in other games, and also know who those people are.

Wait, did flavor text disappear from our OP?

Nope. Never had any flavor.

[chenhsi]

Could we just try a SpyreX (or anyone in one of the other games) lynch? It would be quite interesting to see what happens.

Why did you think the SpyreX alliance was a scummy idea? Was it the lynching Sociopath, or the vigging Mufasa that you didn't like?

SpyreX's refusal to read the other threads (others didn't want to either, I choose SpyreX sort of randomly) and the alliance idea itself. What the alliance wanted didn't seem scummy, the alliance itself did to me.

@Boxman 72: I think it's more of a scumtell to try and focus on the other games, since I think it's unlikely that there would be scumteams split across parallel universes right out of the starting gate.

Why would you think that?

Did our subtitle just change from tempest mafia to Weatherlight mafia?

Yes, I believe it did. Our game is also the one that says "

Gamename

Mafia", instead of "

Gamename

Subgame".

Woah, SK just died in Tar's game.

[chenhsi]

Read each of the rules I dont see any of them saying we cant

That is like saying that non-players can post in the game because there isn't a rule that says that they can't.

[chenhsi]

Woah, flavor text edit for Tar-N1. Lovers are gone, and 2 players moved. No change to us, I think.

[chenhsi]

I think that claiming expansions is probably a bad idea. I don't think that it is scummy to want this either.

zwet's hammer only policy is surprising and new to me.

[chenhsi]

I'm a bulletproof townie, essentially.

So you are indestructible or something?

[chenhsi]

So zwet you are neutral and lynching. Neutrals is policy.

vote : zwet

Hey! Shoo! Get out of here.

[chenhsi]

...

Anyway, I Googled and found this:

http://www.phyrexia.com/continuity/Cho-Manno.shtml

Anyone experienced with MtG game history want to confirm the accuracy of that? If it is relevant at all?

[chenhsi]

Mafia died? Yay?

whoot is looking pretty suspicious to me.

[chenhsi]

I think we have scum groups classified as the following:
Slivers, Goblins,
Each of these in the card game has a king or lord.
Sliver Overlord/Sliver Queen with Sliver Queen being a Mafia Recruiter because she has the ability in the card game to make new slivers (Scum)

Goblin King gives all goblins mountain walk so they can directly attack the life points of people who control red mana, in this game I think he has the power to move his fellow scum team.

The Third scum team I'm not sure of right now could be rats, elves, clerics, not sure... but seeing that we had a sliver flip scum I am almost certain that there is a Sliver Queen that is a Scum Recruiter....

The NK's have been very odd lately. I'm starting to think that scum don't kill at night but instead send people to other games...

I really doubt this is accurate. This might be true for Tempest/Weatherlight and Time Spiral, but it doesn't make sense with Kamigawa. Kamigawa is supposed to emphasize the spirits/gods warring with the humans over That Which Was Taken. I don't see why you would think that there are leaders to each group. Or why you chose goblins.

[chenhsi]

See? I was right! Kamigawa is gods vs humans. According to Mufasa's theory, the gods would need a leader, which would probably be O-Kagachi, which isn't a card. Except as Final Judgment, but that isn't a creature. Which is why I doubt Mufasa's theory.

whoot is being ... annoying. *sigh* I would vote him, but I can't tell if he is stupid-town or stupid-scum.

[chenhsi]

I believed zwet's claim.

[chenhsi]

Awaiting whoot's response.

[chenhsi]

Crovax? Hmm..

http://www.phyrexia.com/continuity/Crovax.shtml
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Crovax

Based on the character, I say that whoot/Crovax should die. Miller... not sure I believe this claim.

[chenhsi]

Specifically, Metallic Slivers are colorless. All artifacts are colorless, I believe.

Card color does determine your faction, in most packs. Undead and Demons are almost always black, for example, and are always always evil. The Kamigawa packs is one difference (all 5 colors spirits vs all 5 colors humans).

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that instead of a normal cop or a role cop, we have a color cop.

http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Color_wheel
The colors and what they represent, for those that don't know it.

[chenhsi]

What do you mean, creature types are commonly linked? That there are multiple creature with the same type? What does that have to do with this game?

Why would sliver queens recruit?
Anyway, slivers don't appear in Kamigawa. I don't think they appear in Time Spiral, but I'm not familiar with that story line.

vote: whoot1234

L-1.
Everyone else: Please don't hammer until we get more opinions. I doubt anyone would quickhammer though.

Boxman: Agree that Volrath is likely to be scum, if he exists. Crovax the Cursed eventually replaces Volrath as scum leader though, which is why I think Crovax is scum.

[chenhsi]

I play magic. Often.

I do know that creatures share the same type. However, I think that these setups are based on the stories: Volrath (and later Crovax) vs the Weatherlight crew. This makes sense to me, since Metallic Slivers were made by Volrath to get an influence on the Sliver hive.

The black goblins are mainly Boggarts, which don't really work with the red goblins. I have not seen them appear in a goblin deck before, only in other decks.

[chenhsi]

I meant that I have never seen black goblins in a pure goblin deck. A pure goblin deck would likely be all-red.

Apparently slivers do appear in Time Spiral.

Anyway, your only defense right now is based on trying to guess the setup. Not a good guess either, imo.

[chenhsi]

its not a guess....

You have inside knowledge? You know the exact game setup? Why don't you just tell us who is scum so we could lynch them?

[chenhsi]

Umm, what?

his flip doesn't disprove anything in my theory. As his creature type was not one of the creature types in the game of magic that I see as being wellknown to work together.

Your theory has no basis behind it. His flip agrees with my theory.

It didn't make since for me to false claim just so I didn't claim miller, because I don't believe in claiming something else in the current situation.

It's called lying. Scum does it.

[chenhsi]

My first game onsite and you honestly believe that I am trying to pull something>

Alts. People from other sites. Really, we have no proof that you are a newbie. You could be acting stupid, for all we know. I'm not saying that you aren't a new player, I'm just saying that newbie defense is stupid.

And how does him flipping fox wizard agree with your theory that that game is spirts vs humans....>

How does the existence of

1

scum sliver reveal that all the scum are slivers?

You've hunted one person... tell me where the inconsitencies are in my claim.

A: Black is generally associated with evil, although not always.
B: Crovax the Cursed is evil/bad in the Weatherlight series.

Seriously, whats going to happen when I flip miller, whose head is going to have to be on the chopping block next>

*shrug*
Depends on the NK and whether you flip scum or not.

[chenhsi]

The whole colors theory hasn't been proven true at all either..

? Which theory? That Kamigawa is 5 colors vs 5 colors? That is reasonable, based on the storyline. I never said that it was proved.

And I just was honest as possible by telling you guys I am Crovax the Cursed..
I don't know the story line of the weatherlight series just the card game.

So you may have been scum that thought that Crovax was a safe claim. *shrug*

It doesn't prove at all that they are all slivers, and I wasn't using that theory as my defense I was stating that as a theory simply put, to think about.

its not a guess....

...

So from what you have said, nothing in my gameplay indicates I am scum correct.

Your quickhammer of zwet was scummy.

[chenhsi]

I know many creatures types that maybe that helps the mods to confuse us by finding out if its split by creatures, colors, both>

I don't think that town/scum is split by either. I think that it is split by their alignment in the storyline. This is why I think that your theory is wrong.

Are there any other creatures other than slivers that are 5 colors>

The kami (spirits) in Kamigawa. Humans, in kamigawa and elsewhere. There are plenty others, I think, but I can't think of any.

[chenhsi]

@woot yes there are. I don't think there are any in theweatherlight block though.

Yeah, this.

Slivers first appear in the Tempest block set.

Then how do you explain tajo being a town fox wizard neither human nor spirit.

When I said humans, I meant the mortals living on Kamigawa. The foxes, rats, etc, are all aligned with the humans, I believe. Sorry for the confusion.

Humans though, are all colored. The animals, not necessarily.

[chenhsi]

So what do you propose we do chenhsi>

We lynch you.

I just want this game to be able to make the best decision with the most information

Great job doing that day 1.

[chenhsi]

*facepalm*

Mod: The format used to vote isn't completely accurate, and there was no intent to vote. Can we please disregard that act of foolishness?

Yeah, sure. Disregarding it.

whoot1234, you are being really unhelpful. I think that most people think that you are scum, including people who aren't here.

[chenhsi]

About Time Spiral...

Crovax becomes evil in the regular storyline, and replaces Volrath as the evil mastermind, but there is the alternate reality in Time Spiral where he never got cursed, and so remains a force for good. It would be interesting to see what would happen to whoot if he moved to the Time Spiral subgame.

[chenhsi]

Nah. I stand by my vote.

[chenhsi]

I guess that it is possible that mafia can't kill. What do they do then, move people? That seems like it would be quite hard for them to win.

I'm not sure whether I agree with the idea that mafia are pulling their members to one game. If so, then either there aren't any mafia here, or they haven't gotten here yet. First is unlikely, and second is... good?

[chenhsi]

Also, at qwints.

How do you KNOW I'm scum?

Where does he say this?

[chenhsi]

Oh yeah, he switched games.

I think that a claim would be nice? Alternatively, please explain what your role does.

[chenhsi]

So what if they pulled all the scum into one game, and town autowins the others? The scum still win, don't they?

[chenhsi]

People that should be policy lynched for going 5 Days without voting

If so, you might as well policy lynch me. I have a habit of only voting when I am really certain someone is scum, or in the RVS, or in a few other exceptions.

[chenhsi]

I'm not exactly sure why people think that HH is suspicious. Are there any other reasons why HH is suspicious besides him not moving his vote?

[chenhsi]

What Sudai said.

[chenhsi]

Oh, I'm here. I was waiting for HH and Starbuck to finish their argument, so I can read it all in one sitting.

[chenhsi]

Going back over D2 I didn't really like Chenhsi. Pretty much the only thing he did was debate the flavor theory with whoot. Like all of this back and forth had no purpose, he never asked whoot anything meaningful as far as actual play went versus debating theories that serve little purpose. He also spits on the idea of a recruiter and I felt his D1 play was considerably better, so that's just a gut feeling, but something I noted.

Oh this? I didn't know you wanted me to respond to this. I'm not exactly sure what you want me to respond to.

The debate is interesting, but neither argument really convinces me.

[chenhsi]

Is the debate the only reason why Starbuck should be lynched? If so, I don't think that she is scummy.

[chenhsi]

2 bulletproof townies? How are scum supposed to kill then?

What role are you?

[chenhsi]

I'm indestructible from attacks from Blue sources.

Do you have a restriction as to what colors you have protection against?

[chenhsi]

From Post 230 in the QT

Chenhsi uses his protect on Starbuck
Zakeri kills Starbuck (Fails)

That's priceless!

>.<

That was not the plan. The plan was that I "protect" you and Zakeri kills someone else.