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Mini 817: Chosen (Game Over!)

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:49 pm

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"
Evil lurks in the shadows; however, there is a hero amongst you destined to save the world.
"

But how? The prophecy seems rather vague, don't you think? Who is this "hero" anyways?


Alive
(bold means confirmed)
Herodotus
Archon
ah2190
The Chosen One
(Survived)
MiteyMouse
Vanilla Townie
Survived.


Dead


Raivann
Mafia Scum
, Lynched, D1
TDC
,
Vanilla Townie
, Killed, N1
Special Ed,
Vanilla Townie
, Lynched, D2
Papa Zito,
Vanilla Townie
, Killed, N2[/b]
don_johnson
afatchic
ClockworkRuse
Vanilla Townie
[/b], Lynched, D3
Zorblag
nadroj15
Vanilla Townie
[/b], Killed, N3
dry-fit
Mafia Goon
, Lynched, D4

Replacement Queue

NONE! PLEASE PM FOR CONSIDERATION
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Post Post #1 (isolation #1) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:50 pm

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Rules


1. While it is understandable that on occasion tempers may flare, please remeber that this is a game. Please
have fun
,
be respectful
of your fellow players and
try not to take anything personally
.

2. Votes must take the form of
Vote: Player
and similarly
Unvote
. It isn't necessary to
Unvote
every time but it would be appreciated by your mod and your fellow players for clarity's sake. If you need to grab my attention for any reason please throw an
@Mod: statement
in your post.

3. Please try to maintain more than the minimum standard for activity levels which is currently 1 post every 48 hours. If you go 48 hours without posting you will be prodded (as many times as necessary) and if you go 72 hours without posting you will be replaced. Exceptions will be made for low activity periods such as weekends and holidays.

4. This game will be run without deadlines unless activity levels begin to impair progress. Deadlines will be at the sole discretion of the moderator. Night-time deadlines will always be 72 hours.

5. Whenever a player has reached a simple majority of votes he/she will be lynched and the game will roll over into night phase.

6.
Blue
is my color. Please don't use it.

7. If you have moderator privileges on MS please don't use them to edit your posts in this game.

8. When you are killed you are allowed 1 post which may contain no other characters, letters, words or phrases besides "Bah" and/or "Go Town." Please refrain from doing even this unless absolutely necessary.

9. Do not quote or paraphrase the mod in any way.

10. I am fallible. While I strive not to make mistakes, they do occasionally happen. Please politely correct me if you spot one.

11. Once the game is over I will post links to each QT thread. If you have an issue with this please let me know.

Game Specific Mechanics

12. The mafia will be allowed to choose 4 people to be excluded from being the Chosen One; out of the remainder, one will assume the role at random (without being notified).

13. The Chosen One can't be Nightkilled or Endgamed; it can only be lynched while there are still townies alive.

14. The selection process for the Chosen One must be concluded before beginning of the game.

15. All self-votes count as two (2) votes. Because of the possibility of a deadlock at 2:2 endgame with the Chosen One still alive, any selfvote from -2 will be counted as a hammer. This could become important.

16. This game will be full reveal. Yes, even the Chosen One will be revealed upon death.

17. Town Lynches are Compulsory.

Role PMs

Mafia Role PM wrote: You are a member of the
mafia
with [...]. Your don knows about your hobbies, age, and nerdiness, and sent you to infiltrate this group of other potential chosen ones. Does he trust you? Probably not. But as soon as you saw [...], you felt a weird aura. [He/She]'s definitely the one you need dead...somehow. You'll need an innocent's help.

Also, try to not die. That would be cool.

You win when the mafia makes up at least 50% of the town, and the Chosen One, [...], is dead.
Town Role PM wrote: You're
town.
Religious leaders have been trying to isolate the Chosen One so its powers will manifest, and...for all you know, that could be you. There are spies among you. You'll need to kill them...or just get them alone in a room with the real Chosen. Then they won't stand a chance.

You win when either all of the mafia are dead, or when the only living town-aligned player is the Chosen One.
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Post Post #2 (isolation #2) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:11 pm

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Role PMs are out. Mafia: Please submit your choices within 72 hours. Everyone, please confirm in thread.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #3) » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:01 pm

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Thanks for the patience guys. I'm currently searching for replacements for ah2190 and ClockworkRuse because neither have picked up their role PMs yet.
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Post Post #12 (isolation #4) » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:44 pm

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Archon replaces ah2190 pre-game


afatchic replaces ClockworkRuse pre-game
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Post Post #13 (isolation #5) » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:54 pm

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We now have a fully confirmed game. We will be on a 24 hour delayed start from this point.
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Post Post #16 (isolation #6) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:06 am

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Day 1 begins
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Post Post #46 (isolation #7) » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:58 am

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Official Vote Count:

Vote Count
2 Archon: TDC, Nuwen
0 AshMC1984:
1 BloodCovenent: afatchic
0 afatchic:
0 MiteyMouse:
1 Zorblag: BloodCovenent
0 Nuwen:
2 Papa Zito: MiteyMouse, AshMC1984
0 TDC:

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Post Post #53 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:22 pm

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Papa Zito wrote:Oh sweet Zorblag is joining. This game's awesomeness meter just went up a factor of 10.
QFT

Zorblag R`Lyeh replaces nadroj15
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Post Post #55 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:29 pm

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Now that all of the dead weight [no pun intended] has been replaced, I hope that we're on autopilot from here on out! Good luck everyone! Have a good game!


Please also note MiteyMouse will be V/LA from Tuesday until Sunday. Your moderator knew this before the game began; however he believes that her awesomeness later on in the game will more than make up for her absence. She will only be replaced if at least 50% of the players in the game request as such.

Please remember you made a commitment to finish this game.
See rule #3!
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Post Post #84 (isolation #10) » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:14 pm

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Official Vote Count:

Vote Count
2 Archon: TDC, Nuwen
0 AshMC1984:
1 BloodCovenent: afatchic
0 afatchic:
0 MiteyMouse:
1 Zorblag: BloodCovenent
1 Nuwen: Papa Zito
2 Papa Zito: MiteyMouse, AshMC1984
0 TDC:

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch
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Post Post #99 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:59 am

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when I get time later today I'm going to do a mass prod since it's been 48 hours since anything relevant was posted. I'm going to set a deadline if activity doesn't pick back up by wednesday
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Post Post #122 (isolation #12) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:22 pm

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The town does not know when the scum team finished the selection process. The intention was to delay the start of the game from the very beginning in order to remove the temptation for metagaming and I should have made that more clear. As a friendly reminder to all players this was designed to be a semi-open setup. Everything you need to know is in the first two posts.
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Post Post #125 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:18 am

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I'm currently seeking replacements for both Archon and Nuwen. It may take a while because the request backlog in the replacement queue has grown considerably. You guys can help though. If you know someone reliable you'd like to play with please have them PM me.


Never mind.

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Raivann replaces Nuwen
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Post Post #157 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:34 am

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This is the last time this setup will be run in a 9P format without some major changes, so I would appreciate it if you guys would just play the game instead of using the mechanics to figure out a breaking strategy. I'm going to revoke the ability to no-lynch for this reason Please note the rule change accordingly.
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Post Post #187 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:16 pm

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Official Vote Count
3 Herodotus: TDC, Raivann, AshMC1984
1 AshMC1984: Papa Zito
1 BloodCovenent: afatchic
0 afatchic:
1 MiteyMouse: BloodCovenent
0 Zorblag:
2 Raivann: Zorblag, Herodotus
1 Papa Zito: MiteyMouse
0 TDC:

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch and 231,348 to no-lynch
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Post Post #220 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:10 am

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Special Ed replaces AshMC1984
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Post Post #247 (isolation #17) » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:51 pm

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Official Vote Count

1 Herodotus: Raivann
0 Special Ed:
1 BloodCovenent: afatchic
0 afatchic:
1 MiteyMouse: BloodCovenent
0 Zorblag:
3 Raivann: Zorblag Herodotus Papa Zito
0 Papa Zito: MiteyMouse
0 TDC:


With 9 Alive it takes 5 to Lynch.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #18) » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:42 pm

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Been lots of discussion about deadlines. To clear a few things up if I do decide to set a deadline and that deadline comes and goes I will lynch one of the living townies at random. The random pool of townies will include the chosen one.

It's been
>3
>2 weeks since day 1 began so I am pretty close to setting a deadline. When I do set one it will be 7 days. Just be forewarned.
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Post Post #258 (isolation #19) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:53 am

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Deadline is set for Midnight PDT on Thursday, July 30th, 2009.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:39 pm

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I don't think there's been any changes in the vote count since the last time I checked; however, I don't know for sure. I'll go back and reread the topic later, when I'm not drunk. Either way, this post is reserved for a vote count. Thanks!
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Post Post #333 (isolation #21) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:23 am

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Final Vote Count

5 Raivann: Zorblag, Herodotus, Papa Zito, TDC, Special Ed


1 Herodotus: Raivann
0 Special Ed
1 BloodCovenent: afatchic
0 afatchic:
1 MiteyMouse: BloodCovenent
0 Zorblag:
1 Papa Zito: MiteyMouse
0 TDC
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Post Post #334 (isolation #22) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:23 am

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As the town gathered around, accusations flew in all directions. The town elders watched in glee as Raivann was dragged to the tree and hung by the neck.

Raivann
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Mafia Scum
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It is now N1. Night actions are due by Tuesday.
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Post Post #335 (isolation #23) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:24 am

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Screams were heard by the villagers throughout the night. Out of fear and disbelief nobody went to check... until morning...

"Is everyone accounted for?" shouted one from the crowd. Everyone checks, and rechecks only to slowly realize that one of their own had vanished.

TDC
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Post Post #336 (isolation #24) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:24 am

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A new day dawns. Good luck.

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
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Post Post #337 (isolation #25) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:47 pm

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dry-fit replaces Bloodcovenant
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Post Post #375 (isolation #26) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:26 am

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congrats on your 1000th post!
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Post Post #384 (isolation #27) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:46 pm

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Official Vote Count

Herodotus:
Special Ed(3): Dry-fit, Papa Zito, MiteyMouse
MiteyMouse(1): Zorblag

Dry-fit:
afatchic:
Zorblag:
Papa Zito:

Not Voting: Special Ed, afatchic

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to lynch
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Post Post #432 (isolation #28) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:36 pm

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don_johnson replaces afatchic
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Post Post #438 (isolation #29) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:14 pm

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Cuenta Oficial del Voto:

Special Ed(3): Dry-fit, Papa Zito, MiteyMouse
MiteyMouse(2): Zorblag, Special Ed

No Votando: don_johnson, Herodotus

Con siete vivos, toma cuatro para linchar.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #30) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:24 am

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Cuenta Final del Voto:

Special Ed(4): Papa Zito, MiteyMouse, don_johnson, Herodotus

MiteyMouse(2): Zorblag, Special Ed
don_johnson(1): Dry-fit

No Votando:

Con siete vivos, toma cuatro para linchar.
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Post Post #486 (isolation #31) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:25 am

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As the town gathered around to discuss the previous day and night's events, accusations started flying. It was soon clear that one amongst you would take the fall for the shootings which occurred through the night.

"Someone MUST be sacrificed to the gods for this" shouted one from the crowd. "Throw Special Ed into the volcano!" the voice persisted.

So the town complied. They tied ed to a rock (as if he could swim in lava) and tossed him in.

Special Ed,
Vanilla Townie
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Post Post #487 (isolation #32) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:25 am

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The town once again awoke to find one less citizen remaining. Frantically the group went from house to house only to discover the mangled and beaten corpse of Papa Zito, who had clearly been bludgeoned to death.

Papa Zito,
Vanilla Townie
, Killed, N2

Day 3 dawns. Good luck!

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Post Post #512 (isolation #33) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:02 pm

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Vote Count:

dry-fit(1): don_johnson

Not Voting: Herodotus, MteyMouse, Zorblag, dry-fit

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Post Post #547 (isolation #34) » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:06 am

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Deadline is 1 week from this post! Get busy lynching or get busy dying!
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Post Post #599 (isolation #35) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:42 pm

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nope
I'm still here.

Do you need something from me?
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Post Post #600 (isolation #36) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:42 pm

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vote count perhaps? <check this post again later>
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Post Post #619 (isolation #37) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:40 pm

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Vote Count:

dry-fit(1): don_johnson, MiteyMouse
don_johnson(1): Zorblag, Herodotus, dry-fit


Not Voting:

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.



don_johnson
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, Lynched: D3

Night actions due by Thursday.
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Post Post #620 (isolation #38) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:25 pm

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Sorry for the delay guys.

Zorblag
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Killed N3
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Post Post #621 (isolation #39) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:25 pm

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Day 4 begins.

With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch.
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Post Post #690 (isolation #40) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:01 am

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I've been extremely lax about the deadline so far because you guys are basically in lylo; however, from this point on you're under a 96 hour deadline.

If I were you guys I'd get organized because I would hate to see a game like this decided by a dice roll!
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Post Post #691 (isolation #41) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:09 am

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deadline will begin monday, since it was pointed out to me that two of you are V/LA
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Post Post #695 (isolation #42) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:58 pm

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Herodotus
Archon
ah2190
The Chosen One
(Survived)
MiteyMouse
Vanilla Townie
Survived.

dry-fit
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Post Post #696 (isolation #43) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:05 pm

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I must say, well played, dry-fit. Even though it was a loss you did well for someone with as little experience as you. I thought you actually had a chance to pull off the victory for a moment there.

With that said, I think this setup is broken. I want to fix it. It's very challenging for a 2-man scum team to pull off a victory here.

I've received a couple of suggestions privately and the one I like the most is this one:

Simply add a 3rd goon. In the event that the scum team can successfully get the chosen one lynched, they basically become a throw-away role at that point. It should become very obvious after a successful chosen lynch who (at least one of) the scum are. It's very difficult for the partner to remain concealed through the rest of the game alone against the scrutiny of a well-coordinated town.

I welcome any comments.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #44) » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:49 am

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Herodotus wrote:I think the point of his vote was to make me believe that I was choosing between the scum and the chosen, to convince me to self-hammer. If they had both voted each other earlier, I might have done that, but in this case it was too late. But it was a logical strategy.

About the setup:
I don't think the scum should try too hard to get the chosen lynched until the game is close to lylo. Raivann's day 1 extended vote for me was probably a mistake.
If we hadn't lynched mafia on day 1, I think they would have had a good chance of winning.
With three goons, I'd consider it unbalanced toward the scum. If a townie is lynched on day 1, day 2 will be 8-player lylo. Adding an extra townie would extend this to day 3; it's not clear how balanced that is, but it would make it relatively easy to get the chosen lynched.
What little data we have from the few setups we've run so far seems to support the opposite conclusion. In retropsect it isn't that foregone. This is a 7:2 vanilla setup with a very powerful town PR and no Mafia power roles. That makes this game very biased towards a town victory and in fact this is the closest the scum team has (and I think will ever) come to a victory.

The usual fix to balance a town PR is to add a mafia PR, but in this particular instance no mafia PR could touch the town PR. This gives the mafia more incentive to actively push for a lynch. This also means that they're less able to conceal their motives.

Based on that notion I think an 7:3 3rd good day start achieves balance. This setup needs to be harder for the town to win.
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Post Post #706 (isolation #45) » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:53 am

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That's my opinion with what little setup experience I actually have. Grain of salt and all. I'd like to hear a convincing argument against running this again with a 7:3 setup. I've also prodded Cog and Ether for comments since they're the only other mods who have experience with this setup.

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