Newbie Game 720 -- Game Over!

[Azhrei]

/Confirm

p.s. Hiya Charrat!

[Azhrei]

I

Vote: Erato

for OMGUS purposes.

[Azhrei]

Geez, anything can be scummy these days...

[Azhrei]

So, how many games has everyone played?

For me, this is my first, although I've watched a couple.

[Azhrei]

Gotta love vig kills, dontcha Shanks?

[Azhrei]

Tell me about it.

[Azhrei]

Sorry, we were. We'll shut up now.

Anyway, hi Vamp.

[Azhrei]

if we knew that, there wouldn't be much point to the game, now would there?

I am talking about statistical likelihood, of course.

As the roles are randomly assigned, it's no greater chance for the IC's to be one of each than it is for any two other players.

[Azhrei]

Why do I appear scummy to you Vamp? I'm just trying to get some discussion going.

[Azhrei]

Scratch that, sorry, didn't see your last post.

The OMGUS thing was just the first thing that popped into my head for a random vote, and I didn't know that we weren't allowed to discuss other games until you said. Newbie mistake.

[Azhrei]

The rule is actually that you can't discuss

ongoing

games. I was assuming by the way the conversation was going that the game in question was finished. If not, then yes, it should not be discussed. (Nor should this game be discussed outside the thread.)

Ahhh, that's what I thought beforehand. Yes, the game in question was finished.

[Azhrei]

Maybe we can all answer some questions about the game and get some discussion going. We don't have much information to go on yet, but maybe someone has an opinion they could share.

1. At this moment, are there any players that you believe are town? If so, why?
2. At this moment, are there any players that you suspect are mafia? If so, why?. 3. How would you choose who to lynch today if you do not yet have any suspicions of who may be mafia?
4. Would you consider vote for no-lynching today? Why or why not?

1. I dunno yet, not enough info.

2./3. Nobody has really given me a scummy vibe yet, and the only thing is Vamp's comment, which really could be nothing.

4. No, because it's been proven that no-lynching is bad for the town.

Oh, and

unvote

.

[Azhrei]

Hello all, this is my first mafiascum game, so excuse me if I'm not up to date on all the terminology. I am however not totally new to the basic concepts. I've played several of these style games on a forum from a mud game I play.

That being said, from my past experience it is generally a waste to not vote, and or to vote "no lynch", as that merely puts us into the night phase and gives the mafia scum a free kill. I know its difficult to point fingers with little information, there's really no easy way to do this...

Anywho I

vote insanepenguin02

He voted early..than said he wanted to wait for more information before he casted a "real vote". Next he takes back his vote, showing that he really didn't have any interest or knowledge in his first vote... Well what if people had jumped on a bandwagon and Longshanks was lynched...He's seems like a fairly sketchy scummy character to me. As we lack in concrete information I think this may be the best course of action, lest we give the mafia scum free night kills.

Oh, yeah I definitely want to hear a lot more from everyone before I would ever cast a

real vote

.

Is that really enough to lynch someone with?

If anything, the way Vamp has just agreed with you is scummy.

FOS: Vamp

[Azhrei]

Hmm. Vamp is on 4 votes right now.

I'm not sure whether or not to cast the hammer. My instincts and my logic tell me he is scum, but still...

[Azhrei]

Well, welcome back everyone, and merry christmas to you all.

[Azhrei]

No problems there magis.

Benmage, what's made you seem so scared of being targeted?

[Azhrei]

You can still win the game if you're dead.

And usually, it's taken as a scum tell when someone panics about being targeted.

[Azhrei]

Fair enough, but was it honestly the most reckless thing to do when 4 people already had sufficient evidence for themselves to cast the same vote i did...

If 4 people decided there was enough evidence that jumping of a cliff was beneficial to their help, would you jump of a cliff too?

Think for yourself, don't follow the crowd.

[Azhrei]

I'm, still here! Sorry, I just forget to check this game sometimes.

[Azhrei]

Benmage is either really newbish, or scum.

I just can't see a reason for him seeming so damn scared.

I'm not sure about magis, but penguin does make a valid point. For now, I'm gonna wait for more information before I go voting.

[Azhrei]

Does anyone have any theories as to why LongShanks was killed last night? He did not get many posts in before the day ended, and other than a small disagreement with Ben, he did not discuss much with anyone. Maybe he was just a random pick, or maybe he was chosen because he was one of the few players not to vote to lynch Vamp, making him look more townish?

I am going to re-ask the questions I posted on Day 1, give people a chance to answer who didn't, and see who changed their answers and why.

1. At this moment, are there any players that you believe are town? If so, why?
2. At this moment, are there any players that you suspect are mafia? If so, why?.
3. How would you choose who to lynch today if you do not yet have any suspicions of who may be mafia?
4. Would you consider vote for no-lynching today? Why or why not?

1. Nope, except maybe penguin, cos he seems to want to help.

2. Maybe benmage or magis, for the reasons earlier stated, but im not sure.

3. T-Rex, if I had to, cos he's been the mst inactive.

4. Hell no, we needa at least try and get scum.

[Azhrei]

2) Mafia:

Mag

- for reasons stated earlier; Slight possibility of

benmage

but for now, I still need to see more from him. I am still surprised at the weird, quick suspicion of me on day 1 that was a little scummy. And lastly I would say

Azhrei

due to just a couple comments that he has made in his last few posts:

I'm, still here! Sorry, I just forget to check this game sometimes.

1. Nope, except maybe penguin, cos he seems to want to help.

2. Maybe benmage or magis, for the reasons earlier stated, but im not sure.

3. T-Rex, if I had to, cos he's been the mst inactive.

4. Hell no, we needa at least try and get scum.

Seems to me that he is lurking a little. Making posts here and there just to seem active enough. Also, his answers above are VERY vague and follow the current trend to the t. Me being town is the outlook of just about everyone right now. Ben and mag have been the only ones looked at as being scum. T-Rex has barely even posted, making him an easy SCUM kill. And hardly any real reason to not vote no lynch. Could you explain a little more and provide some analysis please?

I'm sorry about being brief earlier, I was just leaving to go to a mate's place when I wrote that post, and didn't want to seem inactive. I'm back now, and I'll try to answer your questions. I'll also answer Charrat's again, with more depth ones.

1. Nobody has struck me as 100% town, but a few people

seem

to be wanting to help and get discussion moving, and providing reasonable arguments. Those would appear to be insanepenguin, who is doing a large amount of the posting at the moment, and has provided logical reasons for his actions (and I haven't seen anything scummy about what he is doing), and Charrat, who has encourage open discussion about our current thoughts on the game, and while not been the most active, still been valuable to the town.

2. For mafia, Benmage is providing a very convincing case - against himself. He is acting like he has no idea, as exhibited in his original post 'answering' Charrat's questions. 3/4 of his answers were "lost", and then when pressured, he answered easily. That doesn't make sense to me. He's throwing his vote around today (qwints and magis) and was eager to hammer on Day 1. Now, he's been trying to use the other people who voted for Vamp as reason to vote for them, but it really seems to me as if it's just a OMGUS vote propped up on some feeble logic. (qwints and magis here as well). Even with everyone else constantly pressuring him, he hasn't provided any decent explanation for his actions.

3. Would choose to lynch Benmage at the moment, for the above reasons.

4. No, because if we don't lynch, we have no chance to get mafia, and all we'll get tomorrow is another dead body, with no new information attached. Even if we lynch another townie today, we can still looked at who voted for them for potential mafia.

I hope that's enough, and I'll try to stay a bit more active.

[Azhrei]

Oh, almost forgot, for the reasons posted above, I'm going to

Vote: Benmage

.

If you're not newbscum, I'll be surprised.

[Azhrei]

Who do you two think the other scum is?

Well, after the long layoff in the game, I have been thinking:

I am very suspicious of Charrat - activity level has been actually pretty low after I counted it all up. And the only activity that he seems to be showing is to ask the 4 questions that we have all been answering. IMO this could be a way for scum to get the town's general feelings and act appropriately. Thoughts?

I've played with charrat in another game, and watched him in a couple of others, and he never posts too much - I don't think he has a huge amount of computer time. In all of those games he's been town, and in at least one he's used that same set of questions.

That said, if he is scum, he could be hoping for me to say this to get him in the clear. Still, best that you know.

[Azhrei]

And as to who the other scum may be, I haven't very many suspicions yet.

It'd be nice to hear more from T-Rex, and Charrat. But then, T-Rex hasn't said much for quite a while now, has he?

[Azhrei]

jayfin, I was one of the people who lynched Benmage.

Final Vote Count:

Benmage (4): magisterrain, insanepenguin02, Azhrei, Charrat
magisterrain (1): Benmage

Yes, as I said I was waiting for Benmage. I wasn't 100% convinced at the time, and when I'm not convinced, I don't vote. Later, once he had convinced me he was scum, I voted for him.

As to the Vamp case, yes, it seemed as if he was scum, but something didn't feel right about the situation. I didn't want to be the one to hammer an innocent townie - which is what vamp turned out to be.

[Azhrei]

I think Azhrei is the last mafia.

Hmm. Vamp is on 4 votes right now.

I'm not sure whether or not to cast the hammer. My instincts and my logic tell me he is scum, but still...

Quite the scummy post. "Yes, my instincts AND logic tell me he is scum, yet I don't want to lay the hammer on a townie."

What was the "But..."? Azhrei? Why didn't you hammer? If your guts and your brain were both telling you he was mafia, I don't see why you didn't hammer him. Sure, hammering puts the spotlight on you, but if you're town, and have a good reason to do it, it's a perfectly respectable thing to do. The fact that Vampirific was on L-1 so soon into the game was other people's faults...if you were truly that worried about it you could have asked people to get off of him until he claimed, or talked a bit more. Yet you didnt do that, and neither did you hammer. Not willing to take any of the spotlight? Scum, I say.

I answered this in my previous post, something didn't feel right.

Benmage is either really newbish, or scum.

I just can't see a reason for him seeming so damn scared.

I'm not sure about magis, but penguin does make a valid point. For now, I'm gonna wait for more information before I go voting.

Another scummy post. At this point, Benmage was clearly being scummy. Plus, this is exacttly what you did Day 1. Hesistate, toe the line, and back down. Too scared to vote. Classic mafia behaviour. You must have got some sense by the next page where you voted him, but I just find these two posts too scummy compared to the other players to disregard.

I also answered this. I was waiting for more information.

I would like to point out one particular part.

Hesistate, toe the line, and back down.

I did this once - and the person turned out to be town.

The second time, I did not back down, merely hesitated, so as to avoid lynching an innocent. Is there a problem with caution?

It seems like you completely ignored my post except for the part where I accused you. I acknowledged all that in my post, yet also addressed it.

I answered your questions, what more do you want?

Jayfin, why do you seem to have such a problem of being cautious. I'd rather not lynch an innocent townie by rushing into a situation. This game is meant to be played slowly, so as to allow information to come out and discussion to take place. Only scum want to rush into situations, because it benefits them.

This makes me somewhat suspicious of you.

[Azhrei]

Scum List (Scummiest at top, and only concerning unconfirmeds)
1. Jayfin/T-rex
2. Charrat
3. Penguin.

I'm suspicious of jayfin/t-rex due T-Rex's minimal posting and defence of Benmage in his last few posts, and also due to jayfin's instant accusations of me, which were solely based upon me hesitating. Hesitating (and being cautious) is something I see as a pro-town behaviour, and someone accusing someone for acting in such a way makes me feel that they are against that behaviour, and as such anti-town.

Charrat is not hugely suspicious, but I'm not 100% sure about him. He's acting like he usually does when town, so I feel that he is town. Asking the questions

could

be a way of the scum trying to get the town's opinion, but I think it's more likely that it's just an honest way for him to try to get discussion going.

Penguin I am not suspicious of at all, and he was only included on that list because he is the last unconfirmed player. I just think he's the least likely player to be scum out of the 3.

[Azhrei]

Just as a note, I've not actually played a game to completion yet (I'm in the middle of 3, this being one of them)

Ok, Azhrei you seem to be avoiding my accusation. Maybe I just wasn't clear.

My case against Azhrei is this:
1)He avoided taking the spotlight D1, by either hammering Vampirific, or stalling the lynch on Vampirific, both of which he would have reasons to do:

a)Hammering Vampirific: Azhrei states that his "instincts and my logic tell me he is scum", yet he won't hammer,

even though there are 4 votes on Vampirific already, presumabley from people who feel the same way.

. I don't understand the hesistation to hammer. it's not rushing the game, everyone has already stated how they feel.
And then,

if you still felt like hammering was too quick, why didn't you tell people to back off of Vampirific's lynch?

b)Getting Vamp off of L-1: If you felt so strongly about not rushing the game (which is what you are claiming), why not tell people to back off of Vampirific for the moment?? Clearly, what you are doing here, is avoiding the hammer (and attention), and letting someone else take it. In this case, it was your mafia partner (unlucky)

I was undecided about Vamp's alignment. Going logically from what he posted, he seemed scummy. When reading his posts, I thought 'scummy'. But when it came down to actually voting for him, it just didn't seem right. Hence, I posted what I posted and did not cast the hammer (as that is not really something you can rescind). It didn't occur to me to try and back T-Rex off, truly.

2)I know you voted Benmage, it's pretty obvious, and I don't see how I'd overlook that. Obviously i was taking that into account. The thing is, when you posted the post I quoted, it was a bit before you voted Benmage. I think that you figured out that since he was in such deep water, it would be better to vote him. Its called 'bussing', and it makes sense in a scenario such as that.

I've heard of the technique. That's not what I did. At the time of that post, the

only

person voting for benmage was magis (most likely due to his investigation). Nobody else, myself included, had felt there was sufficient evidence at the time to vote for him. We all had our suspicions, but were not convinced. Also, as this is a newbie game, I was unsure whether Benmage's actions were a result of him being new, rather than scum.

Now, shortly after that post, I was not able to access MS for a day or two (I was at a mate's place), and as such, did not post for a short period of time. When I got back, and saw how Benmage had continued to act really scummy, I then posted my reasons and voted for him. Shortly after, magis confirmed that he was scum through his investigation, and we lynched him.

3)Both of your posts that I quoted struck me as being particularly scummy. I don't know, just that gut feeling. For reference, I'm referring to posts 89 and 168.

Well, I guess I can't help your gut feeling.

That's all folks. I'm doing my best to ignore trex's play before i replaced him, since I already know my role, there is nothing to deduct from it. unfortunately t-rex acted somewhat scummy while he was here, but there's nothing I can do about that, so while I still encourage you to take his actions into account, rightt now it is me playing, and not him.

Um, this sounds like your trying to get us to ignore what T-Rex has done previously, and make us forget about it all. Why so? Is there something there you don't want us to notice?

well, jayfin, i applaud your effort to at least appear to be scumhunting. i can somewhat see your argument against azhrei as well. i also can understand charrats argument against you. although you might wish to distance yourself from t-rex's bevior, you have his role, so his play may very well be a good indication of what role you have. you would almost have to try to overcompensate for his play to avoid suspicion. and you are.

the problem i see with your argument is simply that azhrei is much more inexperienced than you and could simply have not thought through his actions earlier in the game. he might not have known how to stop a lynch, or even that it would occur as fast as it did. he also may not have been all that willing to bus his partner. that is, unless he is less naive about mafia than he has led us to believe.

i'd like to see azhrei's reply to this post and jayfins last post before i comment any further.

I wouldn't know the first thing about stopping a lynch, never even tried to do it before. As I said above, I haven't played a game to completion. And if I was mafia, I'd have either voted for him earlier, or not at all. It was reasonably clear where we were headed at that point, and if I was his partner (and hence knew he was scum) I'd be reasonably sure that the town was gonna get him. All the signs were certainly pointing that way. Thing is, I'm not mafia.

as somewhat of an aside, is there any way to win if we all claim? we could lynch the wrong person and then lose someone during the night, but we would still be 2-1 the next day, right? and then people should be able to figure out from incorrect counter claims whos who?

kinda risky though, so i do NOT think we should claim at the moment. just wondering what others think.

I don't think this would be a good thing to do. If the scum has half a brain, he'll just claim vanilla, and we won't narrow down our suspects at all. And the scum will know who the doctor is. Very bad for us.

[Azhrei]

the problem i see with your argument is simply that azhrei is much more inexperienced than you and could simply have not thought through his actions earlier in the game. he might not have known how to stop a lynch, or even that it would occur as fast as it did. he also may not have been all that willing to bus his partner. that is, unless he is less naive about mafia than he has led us to believe.

You say this, and he agrees with it, and works on it. And then he comes up with statements like these, which totally deviate from the "newby" vibe.

Yes, I agree with it, because its the truth. And just because someone is new, does

not

mean they can't think. Anyone can do the math and figure out that it'd be better for the scum to claim vanilla.

Um, this sounds like your trying to get us to ignore what T-Rex has done previously, and make us forget about it all. Why so? Is there something there you don't want us to notice?

I don't think this would be a good thing to do. If the scum has half a brain, he'll just claim vanilla, and we won't narrow down our suspects at all. And the scum will know who the doctor is. Very bad for us.

Incidentally Azhrei, in answer to the first post of yours i quoted, I was not trying to make you forget trex. I clearly said that, maybe you should read closer. I am just saying, don't lynch just cause of his actions.

As to the part about T-Rex, yes, you're right. Sorry, I misread what you said and believed that you were just telling us to ignore it.

Also, the fact you keep hounding me is making me more and more suspicious of you.

[Azhrei]

I'm not ready to hammer yet either. I have my suspicions of jayfin, but I'm not where near 100% sure of them, nor could I build up a strong enough case to lynch.

Also, sorry for the brief post, I'm in a rush. I'll be able to say more in a few hours.

[Azhrei]

Sure, I'm happy to claim. I'm a vanilla townie.

[Azhrei]

If jayfin is telling the truth, then one of Charrat and penguin are mafia, and the other is the doctor.

Now, that'd be one hell of a mislynch.

[Azhrei]

If you are the cop, and you did get roleblocked, then you would've just gotten no result.

And if you are the cop, and there is a roleblocker, then two of the 'vanillas' have lied.

Which two is the question.

Also, in answer to jayfin's earlier question, this is only the second game I've played, and the first is only just now finishing. So I've probably been playing for about a month.

[Azhrei]

I myself am not 100% convinced that you're the cop either magis. Originally, I had no qualms, but of late, you've been acting a little odd. You voted for me on the basis 'what the mafia has done doesn't seem experienced, and Azhrei is more of a newb than jayfin, so he's the mafia' then unvoted when a couple of people pointed that out. Your vote for jayfin does make a bit more sense, but it does seem odd how you've switched. Also, the fact that you claimed on day 2 seems very odd to me (now, this could just be inexperience) as you only had the result of one investigation and benmage would've been lynched anyway, most likely. Why not keep your cover and wait another night, perhaps catching theo ther scum r being able to clear someone innocent?

Jayfin, I don't believe that it's fair to cast suspicion on penguin just because he brought up the very real possibility that magis isn't actually the cop. It's not obvious that he's the cop, and we'd do well to remember that it's not a given that we should trust him. If anything, if magis is mafia, it makes sense for him to say he was 'roleblocked' as he could not possibly give us another investigation saying someone was scum (As he would be the only scum left) and we would lynch him tomorrow. And why should he clear a townie? why limit the pool of suspects? In fact, that'd be the worst possible thing for him to do right now, because he's all alone and needs to get us down to a lylo situation, which means him and 2 other people, and then he just claims one is scum and wins. In fact, the only person for who it would be obvious what roll magis had, is a roleblocker. Funny that, huh?

Gee, now that I've thought of all that, I am really quite suspicious of both of you, jayfin, magis. Problem is, I'm not sure which one of you is the scum. I know one of you (at least, i could be completely wrong here) has to be town, but which one? If it's magis, I've screwed up and targeted our cop, and if it's you jayfin, well, I might've just lost us our doc.

Again, I'm gonna wait. The evidence I have on both of you is nowhere near conclusive, and definitely not justification for a hammer. But, I would advise those voting for jayfin to back down for now, because I don't see good enough reason to lynch him just yet. Leave it for now, lets discuss some more, and see what comes up. It's entirely possible Charrat or penguin is the mafia is well. Lets talk a bit longer, and be a little bit more sure of a lynch before we do it.

p.s. Jayfin, I know you think I'm scum, but if you are town, please look at the other players for now. See that there are other possibilities.

[Azhrei]

It's not really proof at all, he had just as much evidence as we did. The only other thing he would've know is the role of his partner, and that wouldn't have guaranteed a cop.

[Azhrei]

Actually, now I think about it, that post means literally nothing.

[Azhrei]

I agree with you about it being more likely he is a cop, but it is still something we have to consider.

And I think the discussion on tactics is something that's up to personal opinion, as there are a number of ways it could go at the moment. However, I also agree that it would've been a very gutsy move for him to claim cop and bus his partner, but nonetheless possible.

Also, Charrat, are you still convinced of jayfin being scum, what're your opinions?

[Azhrei]

magisterrain wrote:
Benmage wrote:
a cop investigated me..twas doomed.. gg all


i think this,

in the context of all of benmage's comments

, is strong evidence i am telling the truth.


Azhrei is right, this post means nothing. If Benmage was your scum partner (which I don't think he was), he would have known YOU were mafia, and if you had like planned this out the night before or something, he would have known to play along

i dont think it means nothing. read all of benmage's posts day 2. it does not seem to me like benmage is 'playing along' .

While I'm more in favour of you being the cop than scum, bringing up posts like this isn't helping your case. Benmage, being scum, and new as well, is not someone we can base much evidence off. And honestly, that post there, if you were scum, you could've told him word for word what to say the night before.

[Azhrei]

I know that we can't ignore him completely, but we must remember that posts like that aren't really any use.

And yes, I agree, it doesn't make a lot of sense for you to do what you did if you are scum, and I'm inclined to believe you are our cop.

[Azhrei]

Man, this is a hard situation. I have to say though that I am starting to sway more towards mag being scum than towards being cop. The way that you have brought up how "I'm not that bold.", trying to make us think that benmage solidified your claim as cop before he died.... things just don't seem right. And this was why I brought my suspicion up. I just don't like how you reacted to this suspicion.

Vote mag

Yet I don't know why T-Rex would have been so inactive if he wasnt scum. Therefore, jay is still on the radar.

And without sounding scummy, I am almost wanting a doctor claim to help narrow down the possibilities. I think in the next day, that could be very helpful.

Woah. I was reasonably happy with you being town right up until then. I understand that we should be a little suspicious of magis, on a 'just in case' basis, but there's nowhere near enough evidence to vote for him. I understand, 50/50 chances for there to be no cop to CC, but I sure wouldn't risk the whole game on that kind of a chance. And I don't think most people would, either.

no matter what happens, if we dont get a correct lynch today, we will be at lylo tomorrow.

if we get a doc claim, we might be better able to catch the scum before night.

No! A doctor claim would be a very, very bad thing. For one, the scum could claim doctor (forcing the real one into the open, to counter claim him) which could lead us to lynching our doc. And even if the scum didn't claim doc, then our doc would be out in the open, and you (if you are our cop) or the doctor (whoever he may be) will die tonight. Very, very bad idea!

jayfin has been sitting at one vote away from being lynched since Saturday @ 10:30 am, with one 9 hour interlude on Sunday, and yet we have had no hammer yet. From Sat 10:30 am to Sun 11:30 am, jayfin3 was being voted for by Charrat and insanepenguin. From Sun 8:30 pm to now, jayfin3 was being voted for by Charrat and magisterrain (times are approximate). This suggests to me the following: The two least scummy players are Azhrei, because he had the most opportunities to lynch jayfin for an relatively easy and justifiable kill but didn't take them, and magisterrain, because he had some opportunity to lynch jayfin but didn't take it and because of his cop claim which would have been an extremely risky move for a mafia player to make. The middle of the road player is insanepenguin, who had some opportunity to hammer jayfin for an easy kill, but did not take it. The two odd players out are jayfin3, who has been the primary target for lynching on Day 3 so far, and Charrat, who has not changed his vote from so has not yet been "tested" with the temptation of hammering jayfin3. I happen to know that Charrat is innocent, so in my mind, the longer that jayfin3 stays at 2 votes without being lynched, the more likely he mafia.

Talking in third person is fun? I agree with most of your post. I'm reasonably sure magis is not scum, but he is acting a little odd. penguin just moved right up my list, and jayfin has been steadily moving down, however, I do still find him quite suspicious. Charrat, you're the only person I'm not sure about.

[Azhrei]

OK. That was a bold move by me to try and get some info out of you guys in the form of reactions. Think me more scummy if you want, that is fine. As long as town wins, I win so I was willing to take a chance there. The meaning behind that vote for mag was to get some reaction out of everyone else. And that is what has happened, which is great! And I liked what I saw as it made me feel more confident about jayfin being scum. The goal was for you guys to think me more scummy but to not jump on it overboard by voting me (If this is unclear, I'm sorry - I'm trying ).

I like what I am reading from today (calendar day) and feel more confident that we would be making a good decision with lynching jay. I agree with not outing the doc as I don't think it would be to our best advantage. I hadn't thought of the possibilities that have just been mentioned.

With this said, bear with me townies, and DIE SCUM!!!! Any objections to hammering jayfin???

I'm 50/50 on whether you're really scum, and trying to cover a bad move, or you're telling the truth and you were fishing. If you do decide to hammer and jayfin isn't scum, you're probably dead tomorrow. And guess what? If you're town, then we lose. Just remember that. If you are town, then I think you should be 100% sure jayfin is scum before you go a' hammering. That's the reason I haven't hammered, I'm not convinced - but, it's your choice. Just remember the consequences (assuming you are a townie).

[Azhrei]

Talking in third person is fun? I agree with most of your post. I'm reasonably sure magis is not scum, but he is acting a little odd. penguin just moved right up my list, and jayfin has been steadily moving down, however, I do still find him quite suspicious. Charrat, you're the only person I'm not sure about.

Charrat's favourite subject is Charrat. (He's adorable!)

It's true!

You say it made you feel more confident about me being scum...How? You didnt' give one reason.

You didn't give any logic to your decision. You vote the claimed cop, then make up an excuse after we all get mad at you for it. You are looking very much like scum right now.

What's your point? You've just quoted him, and bolded what I see as a reasonably valid point. Please, answer his question, because it is reasonable.

[Azhrei]

EBWOP - There should be a quote box for penguin around the jayfin one, oops.

[Azhrei]

Or... I just totally screwed up and jayfin said that. Sorry guys, but the first part still stands, and the 'answer the question' part does too.

[Azhrei]

Insanepenguin, sorry, I thought he'd quoted you without an answer.

And that's why you don't post 15 minutes after you get up.

[Azhrei]

So... Anyone alive round here?

[Azhrei]

That's kinda what I'm waiting on, as well. Peeeenguin!

[Azhrei]

I agree with what magis has said about the hammering. It doesn't mean nothing, but it's definitely not a sure fire town tell.

Also, what do you mean by this?

[quote=magis]

in order to move this along, i propose that azhrei and insanepenguin be given as long a day as possible if either of them hammers, to make sure we dont hammer one of them if they are town.

[/quote]

My suspects: (scummiest to least)

jayfin
charrat/insane
magis

Charrat, I'm getting rather annoyed by the fact that we really have very little information about you. If you're scum, you're playing very well.

[Azhrei]

Phew! Good game jayfin, you did well, but you had a crap position.

Also, I think this was particularly bad move on the T-Rex's behalf

T-Rex roleblocks nobody

And Charrat! You didn't lose this time, and you got scum. Lol, you dirty liar!