New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Shirou]

wow u made me jealous of enchant.
now im never sheeping

I suspect I may know the real reason you aren't sheeping me

hmm ur right. This is sus of me.
If i sheep u and mariar flips town do i get towncred?
Do i get towncred if flips scum?/quote]
The million dollar question

[Shirou]

if ur going to scumread me either way. Why should i just listen to ur read on mariar when i know ur wrong on me again?

There's not only you in the PoE though, you weren't there originally anyway, you got on it because I believed Ari was scum and there was attempts in the thread to redirect that wagon. Do you really think that wasn't the case? Maybe on your case it's a coincidence but c'mon Fire I can't know that, I'm just doing classic chocolate cake and punishing what to me sounds like people trying to intentionally advance scum wincon, and it's working so far. I will need to flip you eventually but I have other places to look at if I am proven incorrect about you specifically.

[Shirou]

Not to mention your interactions with Ari are almost carbon copy of you/Ank and you should know that. If you're town sorry, in your case it has been a big coincidence, but I CAN'T know that, I'm not infallible and am simply going for what I feel is statistically more likely to come from scum, no all powerful crystal ball.

[Shirou]

Idk ur point then.
i redirected a wagon though? I dont think thats true but not in the business of fact checking

The point is that it has been working so far and even if I'm wrong on you particularly it doesn't mean I don't have the right perspective of how to approach he game?

Is that not enough for you?

[Shirou]

GL was right for wrong read then...that's the value of having an IC and sheeping them.

GL was just wrong sorry. Very few scum push back an IC.

[Shirou]

I actually knew Norwee was town and Ari was scum all along I just galaxybrain pushed Norwee because he's easier to lim than Ari

been reading along but haven't had time to really play yet, will try to #effort tonight

Oh okay, Maybe I can trust GL here? I am interested in your takes.

I think I could theoretically be wrong on either Fire/MariaR, probably not both though?

[Shirou]

GL we can make a fun bet. We do MariaR and if it flips town I leave the dance if you scumread Meuh (I think she can theoretically be scum, sure, sorry Meuh). I believe on you to either be NK or to eventually leave Fire if it comes to that (and confirm Fire either way).

[Shirou]

Oh fuck nvm I think Meuh hard defended Ari at some point? Unlikely to come from a partner relatively new. Not even veterans have the gut to pull it off most of the time.

I remember trolling as scum in my first game and making good scum hunters town lean me a bit for that since it was so unlikely

[Shirou]

The results so far all align with what I have said. To the damn end, MariaR never voted Ari even though she kept talking about how there was scum for sure there. It can end up not being MariaR, but can you at least make you all seriously consider that I have been perfectly right on everything that has flipped so far, and I am once again here to tell you that VPB isnt scum most likely, and there is other slots more likely to be Ari's partner?

Please?

VOTE: MariaR

This legit doesn't apply when I openly said I was gonna hammer the wagon when the other person came in to hammer it but please carry on the tunnel it's fun to watch.

Yeah you were about to join the last on the wagon and failed even on that

Congrats that's very anti-associative and I know you are gonna say that if you were scum you would have joined earlier/sound more town which is a bad excuse given that after me casing you/Ari as partners, her flipping only gives me more ammo to go for you. Not to mention being down to only 2 scum mid-day 1 looks bad.

[Shirou]

(FWIW MariaR I know I am being a jerk to you and I am sorry for it, but attacking you by any means is my job when I'm convinced you're scum. If somehow I am wrong on you here, my bad forgive me post-game pretty please? )

Anyway as I was saying...

[Shirou]

I don't mean I'm being a jerk for making dishonest arguments though. I mean I'm being extra snarky and sarcastic to you

[Shirou]

Great let's continue dissing each other then, I recommend to scum read me as well so that way we can try to kill each other for MAX FUN.

Don't resort to the NK though mkay? It's a coward's choice of weapon!

[Shirou]

Maybe I can't see "your towniness" because I'm scum bussing you know?

There, I'm even acting sketchy for an easier pivot on me

[Shirou]

Great let's continue dissing each other then, I recommend to scum read me as well so that way we can try to kill each other for MAX FUN.

Don't resort to the NK though mkay? It's a coward's choice of weapon!

I would not nk you as a wolf that'd be way too boring.

But get better at the game because you're throwing okay? Thanks byeeeeeeeeeeee

I'm throwing...

Oh no the shame...

[Shirou]

We know the reason she town reads him StD. It's the same as Ari's on Norwe

[Shirou]

I love and appreciate everyone on the furtive/MariaR wagon very much. Thank you.

[Shirou]

Meuh asked for backup on VPB but I don't know if I will have time for it today, but I will try on the weekend.

@Unowen your leafs are dazzling and I would like you to come be part of the MariaR/Furt wagon family. What would it take for this dream of mine to be realized?

[Shirou]

Also I think if you cant or dont wanna vote the pair for MariaR, you could vote for furtive. I will expand on this later but Furtive just doesnt seem nearly as interested on solving the game rather than surviving.

Look at his ISO, not a single unconditional read or push but oh of course his partner is obvtown.

Ridiculous.

[Shirou]

I am also certain that by MariaR style she has called herself obvtown at some point as scum. So I really need to search to prove that to you Furt?

You seem to not have much on term of reads except coincidentally town reading your partner.

Who does this behavior remind me of again?

Ah yeah Ati. People also said that behavior or hers wasn't scummy, look at how that turned out.

[Shirou]

Nvm MariaR has too many alts for me to search, back to work

[Shirou]

Now on the topic of reads: You need 2 TvT pairs to win nothing else matters. Assuming Fire/Guilty are the NK who are you willing to send?

Atm, I'm at fire/Yda and midwaybear & Enchant. If, you disagree with this I'd like to know why.

By "send" You mean TvT pairs?

Only Midway/Enchant atm. Not town reading Ydra/Fire, I am just not scum ŕeading them.

Trying to find scum in this game to me sounds easier than betting it all on locķng some people as town

[Shirou]

For what it's worth after midway/Enchant I think Meuh may be my biggest town read for the fact she was kinda saying Ari wasn't very suss but Norwe was. It's an incredibly calculating thing to do if it's fake considering she probably doesn't have that much experience as scum.

I don't wanna conveniently insert myself as a better town pair than ydra/fire though, I would rather just kill you and fiŕe, and if I am wrong on both I die.

[Shirou]

You more than anyone else if town should know someone without much experience as scum like Meuh would rather just shade Ari when we discussed her on PT rather than Norwe instead?

[Shirou]

Why do you TR enchant? I'm mostly depending on Midway to sort them but having more reasoning besides that would be nice.

I don't think he would do the whole gambit of "I don't wanna dance as scum?". Feels too calculating for scum!Enchant imo

[Shirou]

NorwegianboyEE

has left the dance. he was aligned with the

town

.

Aristeia

has left the dance. she was aligned with the

mafia

.

okay that's wild. and then we have to kill both of them? or is there alternate voting when we don't have to vote for a pair?

We only kill in pairs. By the way I have correctly scum read and helped on the two scum flips so far here, and I have a recommendation for the third. Wanna sheep me please?

You just gotta vote MariaR and we may get the third

[Shirou]

We only kill in pairs. By the way I have correctly scum read and helped on the two scum flips so far here, and I have a recommendation for the third. Wanna sheep me please?

You just gotta vote MariaR and we may get the third

okay maybe, but I wanna stick around and like, talk, for a bit. wasn't maria saying she bussed if she is scum? doesn't she have towncred as well.

She kept calling ari/norwe scum but never voting them, I called her out on it and it got awkward for her to bus, she said she would hammer but didn't do even that.

Please save me from this boredom and just vote her. Some people want happiness in their life, some want love, some want wealth and most want all of that.

Me?

I just want MariaR flip. So please help me with this late Xmas gift to me.

[Shirou]

You'll soon learn I am obv town Gim and Shirou is in a tunnel. Carry on

who is mafia then

Just please don't listen to her on who to vote Enchant...

[Shirou]

Gimli you said you wouldn't read the game but you don't need to either. Just vote together with me please.

I was convinced despite others that Cakez was scum by the end, and convinced Enchant to accept the dance which mechanically eliminated Cakez. Cakez was scum.

In the second flip people were saying Norwe was scum and I called Norwe town and said the scum was Ari. Result: norwe was town and Ari was indeed scum.

I am once again here to say that my unpopular read is correct and miss MariaR is aligned with the Mafia. Please I beg you and any other townies to vote with me.

This isn't an argument of "I am better than others so just follow me blah blah blah". I am far from infallible and sure, can be wrong on MariaR, but one of the important pieces of my solve was how the game was moving around when Ari/Norwe was suspected, I had many reasons to individually scum read her but I also thought the way things developed around her pair reeked of scum.

I'm yet to have my approach to solving this game be proven wrong, so I humbly ask: Can we vote MariaR and make me shut up if I am wrong?

I still think at least Fire is scum even if MariaR is town but if she does flip town I will try to stop making he head my personal show or something given my other scum reads likely don't reach endgame.

Can I please get confirmation on whether I am right again or this time around being a vanilla idiot?

Pretty please?

[Shirou]

I will tone down if I am wrong on MariaR.

Guys, please?

The MariaR/Furt shouldn't be one of the last two pairs anyway.

[Shirou]

shirou, what's your read on dragons?

My read on him is that he's can be scum if both or one Maria/Fire is town and shouldn't be in endgame either way but right now I am more sus of Maria/Fire

[Shirou]

I will tone down if I am wrong on MariaR.

Guys, please?

The MariaR/Furt shouldn't be one of the last two pairs anyway.

Why are you pushing this so hard?

Because I want to kill my scumread???

Look at this question and tell me you town read this.

[Shirou]

furtive, what's your read on maria?

Seems really town to me. Really town. Not just saying that because I want to live, in the PT Maria is very towny

100% Survival mode

[Shirou]

@Unowen your leafs are dazzling and I would like you to come be part of the MariaR/Furt wagon family. What would it take for this dream of mine to be realized?

Flattery has got you 80% of the way. What do you think of Ydrasse? I have a feeling she's scum.

This will probably sound like pocketing but I almost posted a "maybe Ydra is scum" from the fact she seems to like even Furtive slot so much. It feels TMI to town read furt here if he's town, except maybe if you townread a lot Ausuka, but that's not what I got from her post.

I didn't want to upset more people than I should in order to get my wagon but oh well if sharing those "secret" thoughts about ydra help us mindmeld...

If MariaR is town, my next suspect would be Firebringer, but considering he's with he IC and will self-resolve, I could attempt to wagon fire/ydra with you tomoŕrow as a trade-off if we get MariaR flip today. I can't guarantee I would stay there the entire day but I would try to for at least half. How does that exchange of voting sound?

I dislike both fire/ydra insistence on hard town reading MariaR/Furt

[Shirou]

If MariaR 8s ever town, digging your heels here to hard defend her 8s exactly what I would imagine scum to do in an attempt to farm towncred

[Shirou]

Ok maybe we need to kill some people from the "Not voting MariaR" camp before we can eliminate her.

I think Ydra/Fire may be the best pair for that because I have zero reason to think they're particularly town, zero reason to think this isn't scum whiteknighting if I am wrong, and seems like zero reason to believe they'll vote scum if I am right.

Most importantly though, neither of them are voting MariaR I guess.

[Shirou]

Yeah, if they die and I am not dead tomorrow we probably have enough for MariaR. I feel like they may be more unpopular than Ma4iaR itself thoug and that's a shame.

[Shirou]

So this is my

ultimatum

here:

I am not voting a pair that has one of it's people vote MariaR. Until the end of the game, no matter what, or until I die. (Unless MariaR is flipped). I mean this literally no matter the situation.

I am also not leaving the dance until MariaR is flipped no matter what you say about Meuh, and if any of you have a problem with that, either kill my pair or give me MariaR flip.

You're guaranteed to have me "gamethrow" if me and her pair are alive together by the end of this game, I am gonna keep voting her or a pair that doesn't want to vote them, don't care about the arguments or even if I think they are more likely town than scum. I need to kill scum more than I need "town reads".

I am gonna simply stop caring about this game for my mental health sake unless MariaR dies. That's it now good luck finding scum when Cakez literally admitted to be scum and no one said anything about it.

I had to stop shitposting and roleplaying to effort a bit because the possibility that it was a scumclaim kept haunting me and apparently for good reason.

All of this isn't anti-wincon because my wincon literally is to kill all scum and I believe MariaR is scum.

I do also think that in a vacuum TSQ replace out comes from town more often than not but the last time I trusted this sort of tell from an alt of someone well known in this site, they were scum and just made me almost lose the game for technically out of game influence. It wasn't fun. We are supposed to not read replacements as alignment indicative and that's what I am gonna do to not only not have regrets but also not blame the result of my reads on this game on others.

I am sorry if I am wrong on MariaR and I can be but I need and want this flip. Unless you guys get scum out of my suspects lists. Then I can reconsider maybe.

[Shirou]

The above is dramatic and toxic, sorry.

But I am going crazy here getting into arguments with people about MariaR, haven't been able to concentrate on stuff outside of the game and etc. I need to disconnect myself from this game if I am not getting MariaR flip ever (What sounds like it's gonna happen? You all want to kill the people that can/do cast votes on her).

If the pair needs to die eventually anyway, why not now?

If you think the pair is t/t...well, I disagree and don't know how to engage this game freshly with that perspective on mind. So I may be the problem and need to chill out.

[Shirou]

I can vote ydra/fire though today if it comes to that

[Shirou]

You tried Meuh, and it's fine, knowing me I am just being stupid here

I don't scum read Furt though, I was just egging him to get people to vote for MariaR by association.

Luv you for the effort Meuh

[Shirou]

Now that I am back to my casual self, before I go off to do house chores I need to say:

Meuh, my white knight in shining armor, forgive me for not giving much attention to our relationship.

Before I knew it, I started to lose myself. Day and night, I attempted to slay and slay amidst the greenish forrest...all in the hopes of achieving the thrill of being bathed in the filthy red of the enemy.

My conscience questioned me, "Oh foolish youngster, toxicity in the name of justice is still toxicity!" But I was blind, and kept screaming "Nay! Toxicity in the name of justice

is Justice!

".

And then I AtE'd, and slayed, and AtE'd, and slayed...but eventually, so bathed in bloodlust, I became unrecognizable to those I was trying to save and protect.

Perhaps, I had became something worse than what I set out to destroy.

Then I took out my battered armor, and sheated my bloodied sword. While pondering if I had done a good enough job and could already rest, I painfully realized:

As much as I try, I can be no hero of justice at all. After all, I am just a clueless lady helplessly enamored to her prince.

Now that the dust has settled...I realize that may biggest mistake goes further than the mere question of whether the enemies I fought are even real. My biggest regret, truly must be trading love for bloodlust...

[Shirou]

I probably will have my PC back this weekend so I probably will at least be around to chat in the PT if you wanna

See ya guys

[Shirou]

shirou i like the new avi

Ty, tired of playing edgy thread tyrant I decided to become a cutie pie

Unhappily I am monogamous so flattery will get you nowhere you know

Are you an expert in Meuhology or smth?

no one can be expert in meuhology. Not even Meuh

Hi P.H.D on Meuhlogy here from the university of Private Threads dot com

Can I help you sirs with anything?

Money first and words later however.

[Shirou]

By the way my payment machine is super wonky right now and only accepts payments in the form of votes on Furt/MariaR.

It's wonderful to do business with you all. Thank you and come again.

[Shirou]

my ultimatum is ill only do it if you rescind your ultimatum

Nah I am fine,, tired of tryharding. I will rescind it...when that pair is dead.

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okay

It is so cute how you think me death tunneling a slot makes me wrong about it.

Do you want to link for TM 2020 where I spent almost a month repeatedly saying Flavor Leaf, a Don Corlone winner, was scum despite no one believing me and treating me as a madman as you are doing? (He was scum)

It wasn't as clean in TM 2021 because I was creepied out about the mathematical unlikeness of him rolling scum again in TM against me, and Pine was so pocketed by him that I thought they were scum together (Pine was town), but I also spent TM 2021 weeks telling people on Norwe game about scum!FL and was 9nce again ignored.

There's more cases of my super unpopular deathtunnel being right.

I am not saying there's no chance of me being wrong, but the fact I am insisting on this so hard DEFINITELY doesn't make me wrong about it.

I believe on my hardest death tunnels like this, I have been more often right than wrong despite people always treating me as a madman. It's tiring so I am back to no efforting until otherwise.

[Shirou]

It took FL literally scum slipping in main thread to consider him scum. He would have won the TM 2020 large if not for that, not a single person believed me there and I had 2/3 scum in day 1.

[Shirou]

Yeah I also unironically think I may have been right on my early read on Ausuka and Furt can simply be scum.

[Shirou]

Like, from the last pages or so of Furt. His progression and approach to this game is weird.

[Shirou]

if maria flips town, but furtive flips scum, you'll probably remember it as your death tunnel being correct, and then you'll do it again since you're proud.

anyway. I need coffee.

Uh, no.

I would still have some few points for being the first to scum read Ausuka/Furt slot in the first pages but I wouldn't remember it as being "correct" on my deathtunnel at all?

If MariaR is town and furt is scum I would jut have got a bit lucky on the 50/50, not completely luck given I think Furt can be scum but not really "right"

[Shirou]

Gimli actually feels like they know I an wrong as a matter of fact. TMI?

[Shirou]

Ah ok I should take everything people say on a game of deception at face value.

So like, scum genuinely have reads as well and we should believe on them because they said so?

If MariaR is town is town there is one scum for sure whiteknighting her and poking me, I only hintedvit may be you

[Shirou]

my vote was mainly for owen.
this game became significantly less fun so i stopped following as much but as ever willing to vote elsewhere.

Vote for MariaR/Furt and I can make the game fun again regardless of flip, pinky promise

[Shirou]

my vote was mainly for owen.

this game became significantly less fun

so i stopped following as much but as ever willing to vote elsewhere.

what happened

unwilling to talk about it.

I know it's me and there's a quick way to shut me up

[Shirou]

that last part was unnecessary and I'm sorry. @shirou

It's fine, you would be surprised at how I don't get offended at stuff.

Only my own conscience hurts me

[Shirou]

I think Gimli spat with me is the townies thing in his ISO, feels a bit like a townie indignated with the vanilla idiot (me?)

Hm? What, you think it's weird for me to call myself that?

Nonsense! If anything at least I am a bit self-aware!

Ah but of course, if I am right on MariaR...the roles of this story may change huh

Well how does those smartasses say it again? "History is told by the victors"?

[Shirou]

shirou same question

Not anymore, I offered it to GL but realized Meuh is probably town for the reasons I said

[Shirou]

Later in game though? Sure if we're the scummiest pair

[Shirou]

unowen and baltar

would either of you entertain leaving if mariar/furative is t/t?

I've considered leaving now just to prove my point. If Owen flipped scum, that'd be a bonus.

Idk what the optimal strategy in dance games is, but I don't like being a distraction for town like this.

That's sort of why I didn't mind that I ended up dying in HoD. It stopped town from wasting so much time obsessing about me and GL

Don't before their flip.

[Shirou]

If Maria is somehow red, I'm a clown. But they aren't. So you're a clown.

I am prepared for both.

quoting this cause it deserves pagetop

I sure look nice in that pic, I find it very fitting

[Shirou]

@Shiro

I've read 0 Meuh posts tldr ty.

Prob town

Spoiler:

I think Ari's wrong, but I also think she's town for being wrong. There's a gap in mentality I think she'd be trying to bridge if she's scum.

can you go further on that because I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

I think scum!Ari would back down and basically just tell you that you're right, and her fully affirming what she's saying means she isn't trying to appeal to others (and therefore is town). Unless you two are both scum but I don't see it.

Not even most veterans have the guts to do this to another partner. Now that I am saying it though, she may attempt in a future scum game of her, so from now on this doesn't count on reading her I guess

I think Ari's wrong, but I also think she's town for being wrong. There's a gap in mentality I think she'd be trying to bridge if she's scum.

can you go further on that because I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

I think scum!Ari would back down and basically just tell you that you're right, and her fully affirming what she's saying means she isn't trying to appeal to others (and therefore is town). Unless you two are both scum but I don't see it.

That does not match how I see scum!ari playing in the game she posted. Do you have experience with her as scum you can point to that I can look at that would back up this claim?

Nah I've never played with scum!Ari, nor do I think I need to have experience with people's scum games to read them. If you have evidence that this is what Ari would do as scum you can send it over, but I think the confidence in her stance here is town indicative

I just think this is a very player contextual point, different players definitely have different levels of people pleasing in their scum games, so its kind of weird to me that you would just make a blanket statement like that and apply it to ari as if its a universal maxim.

For what its worth I think good scum players tend to not behave like you're describing at all as a general rule.

This is fair, I don't personalize my way of reading every player that much so it's not really something that came across my mind. To me it just seemed like Ari took a riskier option that I don't think scum would opt for and it stuck out to me as something town indicative. (I've seen stubbornness be town indicative a good amount)

[Shirou]

I find MariaR the most entertaining poster atm after Meuh so...I'm gonna miss your "Idgaf" attitude...

[Shirou]

If by any chance MariaR/Furt are both scum I guess we got lucky. Feels possible since both sound varying levels of sketchy to me but I don't think our luck is that good. But who knows I guess.

[Shirou]

Well, if she is that's a shame really. The game is more amusing with her alive, but I have the opposite so...

If I'm wrong on her here hopefully I can get better at reading her the next time around.

[Shirou]

Uhh...if I was scum you ask?

What a fun hypothetical, I'm generally honest at those times as town so hmm...

Supposing I'm not bussing MariaR or you here, I think I do nightkill either Fire/Ydra or You/GL depending on where I sense people reads are going in intermission.

Most likely your pair though so that I can act all depressed and just sheep people with the excuse I'm not confident to do anything in the game.

I don't feel like Fire/Ydra is that great of a NK though, if they were both town it does feel like they can be miseliminated but at the same time maybe there's less support for them than there is for Enchant/Midway surprisingly? so maybe they unexpectedly are an okay NK even if I can't picture them being townier than Enchant/Midway to me personally?

[Shirou]

By the way, I once again have a functioning a PC.

Spoiler: powerlevel multiplied

However, 0 times 10 is still 0 huh? Curious phenomenon...

[Shirou]

but I can't blame autocorrect for my typos anymore...

What a sad world it is when people need to take responsibility for their own mistakes

[Shirou]

We only have 3 days and half though until deadline. Can we wrap up this day tomorrow or so?

[Shirou]

Huh?

TSQ played with Cakez more than once?

Okay now this game just got weirder because I was about to say I was getting more confident that Fire was scum rather than MariaR but now I don't know anymore because this is certainly weird?

[Shirou]

Nvm, it was just a single game, maybe they forgot about it:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87795&hilit=Cakez

[Shirou]

The pressure is making me get a bit of cold feet and self-doubt but I guess I'll keep going because at this point there's no turning back even if I think Fireb is more likely.

Goodnight, hope to wake up to a flip if I'm lucky?

[Shirou]

*clears throat*

Ladies and Gentleman, hear me out!



This town...is at an

stalemate

.

In this Celebrity Reality Show, some support the actress Maria, and some support the cowboy Baltar. We each want to kill the other fanbase for having such "

horrid taste

" on whose songs they like more between those two, but life is foremost made of

compromises

.

Remember all the times you received a gift you didn't really care about but pretended that it was super good to not hurt the other person's feelings? All the times you settled not for what you truly

wanted

but for what you could

get

, be it at romance, work or...

wagons

.

Let's unite under a single banner. A single glorious wagon. Out of the 14 people alive I believe both me and Meuh wouldn't vote for VP today, just as they themselves wouldn't either. That makes it so that there's only 8 people to vote for VP/Owen today (and we need 8 to eliminate today) and if you believe both me and Meuh are likely town as you should, it also means you need to make his partner vote for him today rather than MariaR. Sounds unlikely.

If you love or support the actress Maria, that's fine, we can unite against Furtive in that case. I don't only am against Maria, I also believe Furtive can be scum, and if I'm wrong not only I'll

wear the clown avi by Enchant for the following dayphase

, but also consider sheeping others and stop "gamethrowing" okie? I believe we all agree regardless of what you think of Maria, it's not a good idea to let Furtive live to the end of this game.

Scummers,

rise up

.

Scummers,

unite

.

VOTE: MariaR/Furtive

[Shirou]

It's very unlikely you'll be able to flip VP/Owen today, but if MariaR/Furt flips t/t that may change.

I'm talking to you Gimli, Fireisredsir and GuiltyLion. Let's get this necessary flip out of the way before deadline hits us. I don't think they are a pair fit to endgame either way.

[Shirou]

Scummers, unite.

My fav part is that you're also trying to call both of us wolfy so when I flip villa you don't look like a total fool and try to have some credit in the phase when me and my partner were both trying to flip the dead wolf kek

I was literally the person to first scum lean and push Ausuka (Furtive slot). MariaR you're very cute but don't say such mean things~

Furt is wolfy though, but that's secondary yes, I do mainly scum lean you, he comes after that.

[Shirou]

If you think I'm being an idiot to believe there's scum in that pair it's all the more reason you should vote them.

I'll

wear an avi clown for the next dayphase

if they're both t/t, how can you

not

take that bet?

[Shirou]

If you think I'm being an idiot to believe there's scum in that pair it's all the more reason you should vote them.

I'll

wear an avi clown for the next dayphase

if they're both t/t, how can you

not

take that bet?

Careful, I don't think you're allowed to make posts like this I think it falls under the whole bets rule

Oh perhaps you're right...so yeah I guess I can't promise that

[Shirou]

Well I may or not use a clown but I'll still become a clown contextually so isn't that enough hmm?

What if a picture isn't worth a thousand words? I've also spent far more than one thousand words on Maria/Furt as well

[Shirou]

Sorry Datisi, I'm being troublesome this game huh...

[Shirou]

But lady Shirou, clown attire would be so unsuitable for a lady such as yourself!

But all I want is to laugh my prince...

Be it at myself or the others.

The climax is

near

.

It's the

killing joke

of this game, no matter which side ends up with the last laugh.

[Shirou]

We only need two of you [Gimli, Guiltylion, Fireisredsir]

I can take the shame and blame if it's t/t.

[Shirou]

Scummers, unite.

My fav part is that you're also trying to call both of us wolfy so when I flip villa you don't look like a total fool and try to have some credit in the phase when me and my partner were both trying to flip the dead wolf kek

I was literally the person to first scum lean and push Ausuka (Furtive slot). MariaR you're very cute but don't say such mean things~

Furt is wolfy though, but that's secondary yes, I do mainly scum lean you, he comes after that.

"See I've called this one person wolf the whole time since they rep'd in but when they die and the other person flips wolf I totally called it"

not how that works sweetheart.

I don't think either of us are flipping wolf but I'm not gonna allow you to go back and say "I called it" incase furt is.

so you think furt is scum? didn't you say you thought you guys were good to be one of the t/t pairs?

[Shirou]

I meant, "do you think furt can be scum?"

[Shirou]

It's very unlikely you'll be able to flip VP/Owen today, but if MariaR/Furt flips t/t that may change.

I'm talking to you Gimli, Fireisredsir and GuiltyLion. Let's get this necessary flip out of the way before deadline hits us. I don't think they are a pair fit to endgame either way.

They're not, but neither is the counterwagon or me and my pair. And I think we can actually Flip vp today.

We've 3 days until deadline, what will you do if it gets closer to ending? When are you gonna be ok with compromissing on Furt/MariaR?

[Shirou]

Shambles? What, there's no such thing as "

shambles

", we can't be wrong in a mafia game now?

I'm playing along with you guys banter but we already got two scum and I called out both of them if you've forgotten somehow. Even if Maria was to flip town here I wouldn't have played absolutely horrible. It would at least be ok.

What? You want me or town to be right every single time? No one in this site could do that except Ellie.

We're on a good position already and prolonging this drama of "Is Maria scum or not" is part of what is making this game unplayable because if MariaR/Furtive survives today we're AGAIN gonna be here discussing this wagon.

The real compromise is just flipping that pair so the game can move on. Even VP has commented about considering leaving if it's t/t.

We have literally flipped half the scum team consecutively throw out completely that idea we're gonna be in a bad spot if it's a t/t flip.

[Shirou]

Your entire statement is hypocritical because we can just flip Balt

So there's someone being as annoying about Balt as I'm about your slot?

Nonsense, there isn't. Eliminating them wouldn't be so dramatic if I caved in. There's in fact barely any resistance to VP/Owen if I wasn't here kicking and screaming for a different wagon.

[Shirou]

Your entire statement is hypocritical because we can just flip Balt

So there's someone being as annoying about Balt as I'm about your slot?

Nonsense, there isn't. Eliminating them wouldn't be so dramatic if I caved in. There's in fact barely any resistance to VP/Owen if I wasn't here kicking and screaming for a different wagon.

We've been the top wagon all day once again you are just outright wrong and in a incorrect tunnel lol

Of course you're the top wagon all day, I've also been screaming and being dramatic the whole day for it and the novelty is over.

Let's count how many votes TSQ/you had before I pushed it yes?

Hmmm...

Oh,

zero

!

(actually can't remember if there was one vote or so from VP on them, I don't think so but not sure)

[Shirou]

I already said I'll leave if they don't flip wolf,

do you think I'd go back on that?

Because I wouldn't.

absolutely.

[Shirou]

"Let me throw the game on my tunnel when we can flip

the wolf slot that shows we have enough TvT pairings to win the game

. Playing with my ego is better then winning the game for the team wooo!"

Oh wow didn't realize that town reading other people made you town

[Shirou]

"Let me throw the game on my tunnel when we can flip

the wolf slot that shows we have enough TvT pairings to win the game

. Playing with my ego is better then winning the game for the team wooo!"

Oh wow didn't realize that town reading other people made you town

Oh you don't know how to read nvm this tunnel makes sense now carry on

I'm the one that don't know how to read?

I thought it was you by how you said I only thought Ausuka slot wasn't great after you repped in, when

it's in the first pages of the game

.

[Shirou]

I already said I'll leave if they don't flip wolf,

do you think I'd go back on that?

Because I wouldn't.

absolutely.

Strange because I've done it before and I'd do it again.

Where and when did you follow through a promise like that?

[Shirou]

MariaR I'm afraid to say it's not guaranteed you have voted scum a single time in this game yet if you're town so it's hilarious you're trying to criticize me

Maybe you should have voted obvscum Ari rather than being cute by parking the vote elsewhere and said "yeah one of Ari/Norwe is scum" when Norwe was just...town?

One of the reasons I'm tunneling you so hard is because you already admitted to hiding information you about the gamestate, and also kept calling Norwe/Ari pair scum but never voting there. That alone is statically much more likely to come from scum than town. Period.

As much as people have brought up that "it's a bad tunnel" thing, other than the replace out which we aren't supposed to discuss or alignment read, there's little case for your behavior being town here.

[Shirou]

I already said I'll leave if they don't flip wolf,

do you think I'd go back on that?

Because I wouldn't.

absolutely.

Strange because I've done it before and I'd do it again.

Where and when did you follow through a promise like that?

I've openly said I'll leave dances many times before (all town)

You *said*, but did you *actually leave*?

and also, it's not just about leaving the game, it's about making a promise of this sort and following through.

[Shirou]

Saying "you have not voted scum" when I came into the thread and pushed scum is hilarious.

"But wait Maria your vote didn't end on the wagon so it doesn't count" ????????
pedit: I left in the first dance game I played, yup.

GAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Such a nice joke MariaR, but wait!

Wasn't it illegal to feel as if you got it "right" if one of a pair ends up flipping scum?! Don't you need to accurately call out with surgical precision who is scum there? Huh?

If it's obvious that you're town here and I'm bad for not seeing it, it was obvious to me that Norwe was town there and you were also "bad" for not seeing it, even if Ari flipped scum.

Well I see, you have double standards when it comes to yourself. My bad.

Don't forget you didn't even vote for them though. (although honestly one of ydra/fireisred can be scum maybe so idk, if you're town maybe you did vote scum in that phase)

[Shirou]

I never once said that but I don't feel like going back and forth with you again. Just know if I ever end up in a game with you again you're not allowed to mention a read on me all I want is "I can't read Maria someone else do it" B)

I believe saying something like this is also against the same rules of future consequences outside of this game mentioned early actually.

[Shirou]

Either way MariaR let's play it by your rules then.

I believe there's two scum in this:

MariaR & furtiveglance
Save The Dragons & Gimli
fireisredsir & Ydrasse
Firebringer & GuiltyLion
Meuh & Shirou
UNOwen & VP Baltar
midwaybear & Enchant

There. Now I "pushed scum" and feel great about myself even if I'm not voting them.

Wow, didn't know this game was so easy like this.

[Shirou]

I never once said that but I don't feel like going back and forth with you again. Just know if I ever end up in a game with you again you're not allowed to mention a read on me all I want is "I can't read Maria someone else do it" B)

I believe saying something like this is also against the same rules of future consequences outside of this game mentioned early actually.

This isn't a bet lol

It's not only about bets, it's under "

5. Discussion within a game about future behavior on site

" but eh, it's a grey area I guess.

I'm not threatening here just warning.

[Shirou]

Okie. Do it.

[Shirou]

RC 2.0 huh

I'm not even near being as good as RC

I'll admit though that I can take the thread hostage when I want like him and...huh, it's not always positive imo, just like it may not be right now.

[Shirou]

MariaR

has left the dance. she was aligned with the

town

.

Firebringer

has left the dance. he was aligned with the

town

.

Tehe~

Hm...I didn't expect this at all...those flips can only mean that...

It's a

secret bastard game

, I see.

At

any minute now

, Datisi will stop trolling and reveal the

real

flips okay? Calm down people.

Both MariaR and Firebringer flips scum in them and we actually have already won the game. Right now we're just in the extra scene before the rolling credits you know?

At

any second now

.

Everything is

fine

. Let's stay in our seats and

don't panic

.

[Shirou]

Now seriously,

My bad

okay?

I goofed up.

I was mistaken about you @MariaR, I still believe what you did in a vacuum statistically is more likely to come from scum than not but I do know now that it doesn't apply to you. I can't promise I'll read you correctly next time, and it's not possible that I'll attempt to not read you by going for "I don't know how to read MariaR so I'll not try", but I

do

pinky promise(!)

to not be as annoying and loud about my read on you until I get better at it, that's if you still are willing to play with me at all after this game. It's fine if you don't. can't blame you.


My bad as well @Firebringer, I thought you would have...posted a bit more "content" if you were town in this game, but maybe you just had this as a very casual game huh, well it's a shame I continuously shaded you rather than fluffing more, but...I'm not sure there were many good reasons to town read you here as hard as I looked you know? I think you can't hold too big of a grudge for this one.

For last, sorry @Ydrasse/@Meuh/etc if you're town, I think if you're scum as much as you may not genuinely like what I did you still knew everyone alignments from the start so...yeah? It's a bit unfair to hold it against me when I'm uninformed, but either way no matter what your alignment is (I'm kinda leaning town on you @Ydra right now really) I guess I was pretty toxic to force people to vote where I wanted. I was wrong about MariaR so in the end the means didn't justify the end and it was a "mistake".

However...I also don't truly regret it. I'm "pleading guilty" here but it's because MariaR was town, there was situations where this sort of deathtunnel against every consensus was right and well, it was ?positive?. Although I would do it all over again if I still didn't know MariaR alignment/didn't know I have trouble reading her, don't assume I always do this for every read.

The reason I acted like this was because in this game I had Cakez as scum and helped get him eliminated; he flipped mafia. I had Ari as scum; she flipped mafia. Half of my solve already had correctly flipped red, I felt a

need

to check the other half no matter the cost.

Therefore as much as I'm here "apologizing", I want to make it clear that if one day I again have half of the scum team guessed correctly, although I'll have much more reservations about doing this since it was a complete failure here, it's not completely unthinkable I would so something similar again in that situation to confirm whether I'm wrong or right in the rest of my guesses...until proven wrong once.

Once I'm proven wrong I'll stop being annoying/loud, no need to be passive aggressive "dear" Gimli.

Either way, I feel like after this game I just don't have the motivation to deathtunnel this hard anymore even if the situation was to repeat itself though, the more I think about it, even if scum!MariaR here would win the game if she was scum, maybe it was for the better?

[Shirou]

VP you said that if MariaR/Furt flipped t/t you were fine with leaving the dance, now you're moving the goalpost to yet another elimination. I don't know, I think you guys flip is necessary here considering how fast this wagon has formed.

I said I would follow your vote in the PT Meuh, but i think if most people want this flip so hard we probably should get it. I do myself believe the chances of scum!VP or scum!Owen have drastically increased with MariaR/Firebringer town flips, so:

VOTE: VPBaltar/Õwen

I can try to sheep you in the next elimination dear Meuh

[Shirou]

I feel I probably should wait for Owen/VP flips before trying to re:read the game and wrap my head where my solve started going wrong after concluding scum!Ari (I actually thought Ari was scum before I thought Maria/Fire was, as much as I pushed her as Maria's partner since Ari was the easier elimination so I wanted to shade Maria).

[Shirou]

I feel like Ydra complaining about me is kinda town but eh I guess it may be NAI, maybe I'm just feeling guilty

[Shirou]

There's no way you should flip us here unless you're VERY certain we are scum.

I'm pretty sure you said you were okay with being flipped today if Maria/Furt was t/t?

[Shirou]

i know i asked baltar, owen, and you if you'd leave if t/t, not sure if that's what you mean

I remember you asking for it as well, but aside from that I do overall remember him hinting that he was fine with dying if we flipped t/t yesterday, it feels weird for him to come again into today saying the same thing, except I may be misremembering because I was...well, rather focused on getting MariaR eliminated you know...?

p-edit: Well sorry if you guys are t/t but I do disagree. Your pair flip is the most important right now because it either shows us that MariaR was used as a counterwagon to a third scum elimination, or if we haven't touched scum yet since Ari's flip. It's a pretty important "info" to consider while trying to understand yesterday I think.

[Shirou]

Best play here is:

Lim some pair in the assumption vp/Owen is town.

One of us leaves for sure post flip.

You get more info and have an actual chance of hitting scum with this play.

You already lied once

Liar Liar pants on fire~

[Shirou]

Your pair flip is the most important right now because it either shows us that MariaR was used as a counterwagon to a third scum elimination, or if we haven't touched scum yet since Ari's flip. It's a pretty important "info" to consider while trying to understand yesterday I think.

What is the conclusion if we flip t/t?

That scum was pretty unworried yesterday

Sorry if you're t/t, I feel I don't have much grounds to call you town anymore after TSQ didn't flip scum

[Shirou]

Well, I felt like giving the majority what they wanted after refusing to go along with them yesterday

Again, my bad if wrong, I just don't feel like going against the consensus atm.

[Shirou]

tf was that i didnt think we were rushing things???

scummiest post yet in post-intermission

[Shirou]

Welp, now we know that everyone was wrong on day 2 so...I suppose I'm less ashamed mhm

Maybe I can already start to have my own opinions again rather than sheeping consensus

[Shirou]

LEAVE DANCE

...

[Shirou]

@Ydra, @Gimli

I'm sorry to have been wrong on MariaR, but now you both have been proven wrong on Midway/Enchant which I did hard town read, and also Owen/VP (Which I didn't town read that much tbh).

My bad for that day but can we agree that miseliminating isn't something to be so ashamed of?

It happens.

[Shirou]

What happens if leave right now
I have the power

I believe fireisredsir is the scum in your pair but don't leave yet please

let's talk

I think you and Gimli are town, and the scum team is exactly StD/Fireisred

I had already told Meuh this in the PT, she can confirm they were my PoE along with Firebringer

[Shirou]

@Ydra, @Gimli

I'm sorry to have been wrong on MariaR, but now you both have been proven wrong on Midway/Enchant which I did hard town read, and also Owen/VP (Which I didn't town read that much tbh).

My bad for that day but can we agree that miseliminating isn't something to be so ashamed of?

It happens.

being wrong is fine! this is mafia. but forcing people's hands is not so fun, that's why I was a little upset with you. sorry for the snarky comment today <3

It's fine, but you know, after half of your solve flips red it's hard to control your bloodlust

[Shirou]

Either way my bad again for the toxicity back then

[Shirou]

what gimli said i hate ultimatums very much but being wrong is like. everyone is
i also think gimli is probably town right now


why is that yr current solve

I'm hanging out the clothes but I'll be right back so we can chat

Remember your own argument that Cakez was a chronic busser?

He was suspecting StD along with Ari, and look at this post of him about Fireisredsir:

i think ari is kinda scummy (vibes) and i don't really like meuh's approach to reading her it feels kinda fake to me

i like shea poking around about both of those so maybe towny there

midway is an ehhh but didn't really like meuh's poke there either

enchant and cakez are probably both town

unowen town vibes

sort of townlean ausuka now too

Okay idk if this is just me over reading into tone or something but why are all your reads so waffle sounding

"Kinda scummy"
"Maybe towny"
"Ehhhh"
"Probably town"
Etc etc

I get it's early but I don't see why your stances are so uncertain

This is like, the surface of my read, there's much more especially on Fireisred, but I wanted to get something simple for us to start talking about.

I believe Fireisred/StD are the unique other ones left alive that Cakez suspected, along with Ari that already flipped red.

I think everyone that Cakez town read has flipped town as well already? not sure about this other point

[Shirou]

I'm the most confident on Fireisredsir being scum at least

StD is a bit of a guess after a certain point because...well, I think Gimli is townier than him, and if it's not Ydra/Fireisredsir or Meuh/Fireredsir, I know it's not me so...it's gotta likely be StD?

[Shirou]

how can shirou have a bunch of fucking arguments when the world has just collapsed in front of us

My world hasn't collapsed. I didn't think VP/Owen were that likely to be scum as much as I didn't want to look double the amount of foolish if I defended them and they flipped red.

Is it a petty reason? Sure, but you can't blame me after people were being snarky about me. So I sheeped majority hoping I was just wrong.

I never believed Enchant/Midway was anything other than t/t though you can look at my ISO, so it was like, just disappointing to see Enchant leaving.

[Shirou]

shirou your argument is that cakez bussed his entire team?

I didn't believe it at first but between you and Gimli, Gimli feels townier

Between Ydra and Fire, Ydra feels townier

I need to revisit Meuh but I've been townreading her quite a bit just like I did to Midway/Enchant. I really don't think it's Meuh, although that does sound a bit convenient to me huh

[Shirou]

shirou/ydra/meuh I think is where the two scum are cause they're townreading me because they're TMIing

I'm town reading you because you've been passive aggressive to me and sorry but I think it's a jerk move if you're scum and I don't believe you're a jerk so far.

If you insist on knowing my reason, yes, it's not related to your game content at all.

[Shirou]

like, you were trying to sting me with "I'm better for correctly town reading MariaR" which is a bit of an insane feeling for scum to have given they should already know everyone alignments. I think it would be rather self-serving to blame me for making mistakes due to being uninformed when you are informed and already knew MariaR alignment so stuff would naturally sound townier to you.

p-edit: I still do think Meuh can be scum playing a really good game but I'm gonna try to explain why I think it's unlikely for her to be scum in my view and...honestly, if she's scum I think I would rather lose to her than either Fire/StD. She has done some stuff that's statically unlikely for scum to do and I would be surprised if she was scum I guess, the end.

(if she's scum I gotta say, she has promise on it imo)

[Shirou]

What...

[Shirou]

Ok Gimli don't leave.

[Shirou]

or StD for that matter, I don't know anymore. I may be paired with scum instead. I don't understand ydra here.

[Shirou]

Was Ydrasse exhausted of the game or...it was because she thought it was won anyway if I didn't leave Meuh?

Like I'm really confused

now *my* world has crumbled.

[Shirou]

calm down Gimli please let's talk don't leave yet

I'm really scared of scum!Meuh right now

[Shirou]

Gimli I don't blame you but I was really eager to leave after Meuh posted something fake-ish in the PT

Oh well GG, I think Meuh played really well

[Shirou]

LOL I GOT ONE IN MY SOLVE

I BET MEUH EVEN SAID IN THE PT:

"Hi I am Mueh"

CALLED IT

I SHOULD HAVE TRUSTED YOU EARLIER FIRE

[Shirou]

I blame all this on shirou,
because bullying shirou is fun

I don't dislike it

MORE

FIREBRINGER

[Shirou]

If Meuh posted that in the scum PT Firebringer should be nommed Paragon tbh

[Shirou]

also i left to avoid associatives and to not let fire solve
also more chaos is good

i knew it smh

Actually funnily enough

I would probably never have left Meuh rather than saying for Gimli to leave StD if Ydra hadn't left

I got really eager to leave Meuh when Ydra left because it felt there was a ~plan~ to win

[Shirou]

Also PT was really fun, thanks for dancing with me Shirou <3

You broke my heart by the end but I forgive you~

[Shirou]

Shirou i still don't get what content u wanted out of me and why u expected more. I already told u i was fucking busy with life shit lol. I gave alot too. i don't think u even once said "fire i want more content from u. Whats ur thoughts on X, Y, Z" all u said was "ur solve makes no sense" what am i supposed to do with that besides ask "what part of it doesn't make sense"

ohh yeah already said this but well done scum team. Ydrasse that leave was masterfully done. Best psychological warfare used in dance in long ass time

I'm sorry...you told me you were busy with life shit?

I really missed that post?

[Shirou]

I'm sorry...you told me you were busy with life shit?

I think i literally said twice in the game that i was working 12 hour shifts so me not being around during the workdays like crazy when the game was spam fest shouldn't mean anything.

Ouch...my bad, I really didn't see that, I hadn't visited your ISO yet because I was hoping if wrong on you, you would just be NK'd

[Shirou]

Also Fire I didn't know you were busy for not reading (my fault) but I didn't ask you for content because I thought whether you gave out content on your own or not was one of the ways to read you but

huh

I was wrong again lol?

[Shirou]

Subject: Meuh & Shirou dance pt

It would be funny if you were scum pocketing me though. I'm so deep on it that I'm not sure I see the light anymore if that's the case...

I'm weak to praise/consoling mkay?

Especially after MariaR's flip.

[Shirou]

Also I think I have Shirou pretty well pocketed, unless he's just... lying to me

[Shirou]

where's your clown nose

Eh, as funny as it is to blame me for this game we all clowned quite a bit

Had the panic leaves not happened we probably would have won this by me bringing you/Midway to the end (I would leave Meuh before I voted you guys, I town read your pair more than anything else) or me just eventually leaving Meuh as I was eager to according to my last posts in the main thread or PT.

Sure I clowned on MariaR (because I do refuse to town read replace outs) but I'm not the unique clown on this circus you know...

[Shirou]

And main circus:


P.S. Sorry Owen and midway but you are noseless.

Not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed.