New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Gimli]

otoh flipping enchant doesn't sound like a bad idea

[Firebringer]

flipping enchant actually sounds bad idea.
i guess i do still sort of feel midway might be scum? im not that strong on it anymore

[Gimli]

ah. yeah I think midway is town. let's not flip enchant then

[Meuh]

@Meuh, Gimli

I get that theoretically scum!Enchant might believe that Cakez would be a better bet to continue and refuse for that reason.

But! If we consider town reaction, when Enchant flips scum - everyone asks: "Why did scum Enchant choose to die???". That's only a defensible trade if Cakez is also scum? So I suppose the answer could be WIFOM but I think that any rational town would just ignore that and decide that the most likely answer is he wanted to save Cakez therefore Cakez is also scum.

To me it's just that I think Enchant was playing irrationally either way. You can tell me "oh but it doesn't favour scum to do this" but it ultimately doesn't matter because I don't think it'd stop that from happening. The argument hinges on scum playing in a logical and good way and I don't really think that's necessarily true, especially since Cakez seemed to have emotional investment in playing the game which could also lead to irrational actions.

[midwaybear]

@midway - does this make sense to you?

Yes. And yes Enchant could be scum is what I'm saying

What happens if midway accepted Enchants refusal and then he flips scum who committed suicide?

That seems like it would be a pretty easy deduction that he's do that to save his buddy.

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though honestly, there are rarely easy deductions in mafia...
something might seem obvious from scum pov, but town can't find consensus on it
so im not sure how much that played a role in scum decision making. ill take a look back

[Firebringer]

i need GL to come back to our story PT

[midwaybear]

Neither of those flips were unexpected by the time they happened, they weren't close run things.
From my perspective her push post Cakez flip was Irrel, who I think is town and her push post Ari was me.
If MariaR/furtive is a T/T pair do my votes really look bad? I feel like that if I equalized the wagons it wasn't inevitable what would happen.

-k but even if scum ydrasse anticipated that, i doubt she's going to draft up a post about her post flip thoughts. It's most likely she spontaneously came up with those thoughts after seeing the flip and I think that attitude comes from town more often than not
-fairly reasonable takes imo. u think she looked opportunistic?
-ur vote didn't have any words attached so it looks bad.

[Gimli]

did enchant start telling people not to pick him only after it was him and cakez left?

[Gimli]

midway, what's your read on enchant? how's PT going? I'm guessing it's not going anywhere

[UNOwen]

Ok fine, I accept that Enchant town is not as obvious as I think it should be

I still think I’m right though. If Enchant flips scum then town can at worst think that he was trying to WIFOM us into killing a T/T pair in Cakez/midway. But Enchant didn’t need to WIFOM town into doing that, he could’ve just accepted then immediately left for same result. I think we could easily figure out that the benefits were stacked on Cakez scum at that point and scum would realize that too.

Yes irrational actions, but all 4 of them not noticing the possible disaster that awaits if midway asks Cakez instead? That doesn’t seem likely.

[Gimli]

i need GL to come back to our story PT

what do you think of GL?

[midwaybear]

Meuh's post is way too large and what I read wasn't any good, feels like busywork to me but IDK I just got here

it looked fine to me, and there's no way scum meuh puts that much effort at this stage in the game

[Firebringer]

i need GL to come back to our story PT

what do you think of GL?

full blown NERD

[Gimli]

Meuh's post is way too large and what I read wasn't any good, feels like busywork to me but IDK I just got here

it looked fine to me, and there's no way scum meuh puts that much effort at this stage in the game

I'll trust your read again

do we change partners next dance? I wanna dance with midwaybear, I wanna pocket them in our PT

[midwaybear]

unfortunately im already pocketed by enchant

[Meuh]

Meuh's post is way too large and what I read wasn't any good, feels like busywork to me but IDK I just got here

it looked fine to me, and there's no way scum meuh puts that much effort at this stage in the game

I mean true but why do you think this

[Gimli]

unfortunately im already pocketed by enchant

I'm not jealous

[Meuh]

Are you an expert in Meuhology or smth?

[midwaybear]

I mean true but why do you think this

Cuz I don't see what your objective is as scum in making that post. I think scum want to preserve themself or set up their buddy at this point in game (duh). But idk what that accomplishes in terms of self-pres and if you're w/w w/ furtive, I feel like a mega post explaining why he is town is not the first thing that comes up when you think of how to defend a partner.

[Gimli]

midway what's your read on baltar?

I'm asking many things and trying to read parts of the game at the same time. if it's annoying people I'll stop

[fireisredsir]

Meuh's post is way too large and what I read wasn't any good, feels like busywork to me but IDK I just got here

it looked fine to me, and there's no way scum meuh puts that much effort at this stage in the game

i think it's towny more bc it feels like she's genuinely evaluating and isn't trying to push any narrative with it

its a post that's fakeable as scum but it is more likely to be town imo

[Firebringer]

Are you an expert in Meuhology or smth?

no one can be expert in meuhology. Not even Meuh

[Gimli]

yo all these quick pairs are sus af

to be less obnoxiously vague - mainly not a fan of Drapion slot/Aristeia or StD/Irrel.

hey do you think this spews me/std town? would cakez be randomly suspicious about two pairs that formed that contains both his team mates?

[fireisredsir]

probably yes he would, so no i don't think it does

[Gimli]

writing a huge thing without pushing anything feels like busywork, which is why I had a problem with it. but I'm sheeping midway's read anyway.