New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Firebringer]

the towniest thing IMO is that his solve is just bad unless he is town and I feel like scum in his shoes would be trying harder than just pointing fingers at the LHF slots (Enchant, FB, Owen)

wait how am i low hanging fruit.

firebringer dance game teamsolve possibly 0/3 = must be scum = low hanging fruit

i need to have more incorrect solves if i get scumread more for it.

[Gimli]

IDK if misrepresenting the PT is scummy. it just makes no sense, unless they're both scum.

[Firebringer]

who cares. if ur using ur PT to solve. Ur playing this game wrong tbh.

[fireisredsir]

i think it's somewhat shady bc it wasn't an outright lie but it did conveniently come at a time when there was a lot of suspicion on maria and people were asking for reasons for a townread there

i think exaggerating the towniness of the pt in that situation makes some sense for scum to do

[VP Baltar]

Spoiler:

Maybe its slightly +town to be so open about all this. his mindset feels very open.

"romance is dead and I'm here to hit on everyone"

Maybe its slightly +town to be so open about all this. his mindset feels very open.

"romance is dead and I'm here to hit on everyone"

who are you talking about here?

tsq

I dont think Shirou's scumread of Ausuka is really scum-motivated because shading in the paired ladies doesnt really help shirou get paired?

If he was scum trying to push a scumread atp I'd expect him to be shading in the unpaired ladies.

I don't think there's a real gain for scum!ausuka to push shirou!town here because if it works, shirou gets left out, and that just signal boosts the scumread on Ausuka?

the comparison you're making shea is different because scum!ausuka in pictures needs to elim you to win the game.

she does bristle as town when she gets pushed

Oh really? That's actually a bummer, it makes it a bit more unlikely that she's scum perhaps. Not yet convinced she isn't though.

this is the last time i pushed ausuka town in d1;

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she is pretty quick on the omgus button

When Shirou and Ausuka were going at it I found Aristeia’s defense of Ausuka towny

I think??? this is a good take: TSQ as scum would not be so present in the thread on New Years Eve?? This might be dumb but if anyone as I was skimming, he kinda seemed the most like an old guy seated out on his front porch to oversee everything and comment on it all… and that sounds fun to do as town and sounds like hard work to do as scum. And idk my gut says scum doesn’t take on hard work on New Years Eve.

Shirou/Ausuka did very little to help me read either of them, but I thought Shirou saying “I made up the scumread so Meuh would pair with me” was lightly scummy

I think the towniest thing tsq did was like signal amplifying on Ausuka immediately after Shirou pushed her because I don't see why mafia would ever do that to their own dance partner because like ??

why does it even matter what Unowen's alignment is to Baltar at that point in time?

Baltar's a lady. Getting a match is more important than checking to make sure the player he's matching with is town.

If Unowen is mafia, he's getting paired with someone regardless of whether Baltar reads him correctly.

Hypothetically speaking if Baltar is town and Unowen is mafia, how does Baltar scumreading Unowen correctly before the pairing really do anything?

Like let's say Baltar reads Unowen and decides Unowen's mafia.

What's he supposed to do then? If he says no I don't want to dance with you, Unowen!Scum just goes and picks another lady and baltar gets flipped and then ???

If Baltar pairs with Unowen and then decides later in the PT that Unowen is mafia, he can just press leave and Unowen gets flipped.

Like I don't really see a scenario where it's better to be picky instead of just grabbing the first proposal that comes your way unless you want to like endgame and everyone thinks you're town.

ok yeah mostly these + the push on cakez were where i felt the vibes

so that's
- defending shea (ausuka and shea are paired at this point)
- pushing that ausuka and shirou are tvt
- again defending shea
- defending baltar

all of these felt off to me at the time and were a part of why i was scumreading ari. the points were correct but the way she was making them felt like it was motivated

i think it's pretty likely that a standard scum approach to this would be to defend the town that is paired with a scum partner. it's easy to do because you can use your tmi powers to push something that is correct, it doesn't actually implicate you for defending scum, and it helps prevent your scum partners from getting eliminated

im slightly talking myself into a furtive scum world here. i think especially that ari's argument with shea, while probably unaligned with shea, is interesting for the fact that she never really pressured shea at all for it or had any sense of a threat of scumreading him due to the argument. some people have said that the argument felt off, and i think it's possible that this is why. not that she's paired with shea, but that she isn't interested in limming him bc his partner was scum

i also think that similarly the defense of baltar could be motivated to protect owen

thoughts?

It's not a crazy take at all.

[Firebringer]

at best if u want to use ur PT to be useful. I would be using it as a personal notes PT of ur thoughts u don't want to get lost in the noise.
If ur using it to sort ur partner or as a pseudo hydra PT u just make it so ur partner can pocket u.
all dance PTs should be story PTs or just music like fire/ydra

[Firebringer]

@GL I NEED YOU TO COME TO OUR PT TO CONTINUE OUR STORY

[Gimli]

i think it's somewhat shady bc it wasn't an outright lie but it did conveniently come at a time when there was a lot of suspicion on maria and people were asking for reasons for a townread there

i think exaggerating the towniness of the pt in that situation makes some sense for scum to do

you're right. I agree. it's late here, I should get some rest.

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: furtive

made you look

[Firebringer]

what if he never looked tho

[Firebringer]

i think scum are gonna kill ydra/fire pair tonight.
I woner how good that prediction will hold up considering my past predictions.

[VP Baltar]

Enchant is clearly the NK if you're smart scum

[Firebringer]

feel town fire/ydra is more threatening than enchant/midway

[fireisredsir]

i think scum are gonna kill ydra/fire pair tonight.
I woner how good that prediction will hold up considering my past predictions.

that would be somewhat dumb of them

[Firebringer]

i think scum are gonna kill ydra/fire pair tonight.
I woner how good that prediction will hold up considering my past predictions.

that would be somewhat dumb of them

only because ur saying ur going to leave before ELO.
99% certain ur a town pair.

[Shirou]

If by any chance MariaR/Furt are both scum I guess we got lucky. Feels possible since both sound varying levels of sketchy to me but I don't think our luck is that good. But who knows I guess.

[Firebringer]

im fairly certain mariar is town.
and so far my townreads haven't been wrong soooo

[Firebringer]

actually thats a lie, i did townread ari even though i had doubts on it.
I am more certain mariar is town than i was ari tho

[Shirou]

Well, if she is that's a shame really. The game is more amusing with her alive, but I have the opposite so...

If I'm wrong on her here hopefully I can get better at reading her the next time around.

[Firebringer]

Shirou ur scum here.
Who do u night kill?
Fire/ydra, right?

[Firebringer]

I mean thats what i would do. I don't think thats dumb at all.
Fire is the dumb one.

[Shirou]

Uhh...if I was scum you ask?

What a fun hypothetical, I'm generally honest at those times as town so hmm...

Supposing I'm not bussing MariaR or you here, I think I do nightkill either Fire/Ydra or You/GL depending on where I sense people reads are going in intermission.

Most likely your pair though so that I can act all depressed and just sheep people with the excuse I'm not confident to do anything in the game.

I don't feel like Fire/Ydra is that great of a NK though, if they were both town it does feel like they can be miseliminated but at the same time maybe there's less support for them than there is for Enchant/Midway surprisingly? so maybe they unexpectedly are an okay NK even if I can't picture them being townier than Enchant/Midway to me personally?

[Shirou]

By the way, I once again have a functioning a PC.

Spoiler: powerlevel multiplied

However, 0 times 10 is still 0 huh? Curious phenomenon...

[Shirou]

but I can't blame autocorrect for my typos anymore...

What a sad world it is when people need to take responsibility for their own mistakes