Crackers! Mafia -- Game Over. See page 50

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empirical evidence shows that if korts and i are in the same game, he is always scum

vote korts

who's twito? [/worthless newb]

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i love starting wagons

dgb, who do you think is most likely town?

vollkan, who do you think is most likely town?

kison, what do you think of bm?

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We should let the SK kill some Mafia for us first.

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2. Yosarian2
3. Raging Rabbit
4. Kison

i'm on that shortlist why?

more interestingly, yosarian is on that list why?

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You are the four I've never played with before.

Why is it more interesting that Yos was on the list?

cause yos hadn't even posted yet. it would have been interesting if the list had anything to do with things going on in this game, but it turns out it didn't, it was just random.

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Destructor is 100% town.

i broadly agree

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yeah i'm a person not an expression of mildly amused dismissal. though sometimes i'm that too.

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not particularly

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responding to korts post directly above that post

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still waiting for vollkan to respond to me

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but yeah its valid

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ckd, because?

korts, i'd rather wait

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fair nuff

out of curiousity, who do you think is the most pro town at this moment

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yeah aside from you

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des is so town

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unvote, vote: ckd

scum hate it so much when town starts clearing other town, it makes it so much harder to get mislynches

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scum also love to be able to call any vote on themselves omgus

acting protown and being protown are different things. i'm not sure how my sk performance is of any relevance here. you'd have to ask other players in that game if i was scummy.

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what? being scum versus acting scum? what are you even talking about?

its a page 5 gut read. sound familiar?

and yes, as the sk i legitimately hunted scum and was, in general, quite pro town, except for the unfortunate fact that my win condition was solo. but i'm still lost as to how that game has any bearing on this discussion.

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Now I'm confused.

Because I caught all three scum, and now there's a fourth.

CKD...

this one's for real

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i'm not about to give a playbook as to what makes someone seem protown to me. you're trying really hard to make this about something it isn't. bringing in the sk game, for example, is an unnecessary distraction.

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please note how ckd's insistence that i must be buddying up to des is pretty much admitting that he knows des is town

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Des, gut (page 4)..couple posts caught my attention...

ckd, gut (page 5)..couple posts caught my attention...

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DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.

god what an astute comment! des is

so

town its like blindingly obvious.

Avoidance of them, however minor or pointless they seem to be, is a scumtell...

so you think avoiding any question ever is automatically a scumtell? thats just an unreasonable statement.

...and is done for a reason

yes this is true

Incidentally, rofl, you may now answer.

dgb and vollkan were two people i personally found marginally more likely than average to be protown at that stage, and i wanted their opinions on who

they

thought likely to be protown because i like to see scum squirm if townspeople start to recognize one another early. as happened.

on a related note, vollkan's answer was legitimate, but not what i had been looking for. too late now though.

and ckd, i have been saying that my town read on des is a gut read just like your scum read on me is, not that my vote on you is gut. my vote on you is perfectly well reasoned, and has nothing to do with oh my god sucking you.

kison deserves some closer scrutiny

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I actually agree with ckd on all of this. Having a gut scum read on page 4-5 is not the same at alll of claiming to have a gut town read on page 3.

whats the difference, exactly?

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i don't see why not

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See something scummy and you can get a gut scum read.
Seeing something 'townie' can hardly lead to a gut town read.

and why does townie need quotation marks but scummy doesn't?

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i think its in our best interest to reach a lynch in this game before deadline (well before deadline, ideally) to give scum less time to make an optimal kill or possibly catch them off guard and deprive them of a kill altogether.

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kison deserves some closer scrutiny

Why?

you pretty well demonstrate why with the rest of what follows in your post

and ckd, i have been saying that my town read on des is a gut read just like your scum read on me is, not that my vote on you is gut. my vote on you is perfectly well reasoned, and has nothing to do with oh my god sucking you.

god what an astute comment! des is

so

town its like blindingly obvious.

He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?

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this smells an awful lot like a chainsaw defense of ckd

DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.

I had contemplated it, but I've played with DrippingGoofball before. She's crazy(I say this lovingly) and does that sort of thing. Note she 'pegged' the three scum and Serial Killer. A very similar line of thinking in the madness that is DrippingGoofball's mind. Simply put, I do not know how to deal with zany players like DrippingGoofball. It's like trying to deal with the Battle Mage version 1.0.

thats a nice excuse for selectively persecuting one person instead of another for doing the same thing. what makes me any less "zany" than dgb?

i think its in our best interest to reach a lynch in this game before deadline (well before deadline, ideally) to give scum less time to make an optimal kill or possibly catch them off guard and deprive them of a kill altogether.

And what does less time mean for Town? Less time to reach an optimal lynch. Read this. Similar strategy. Catastrophic consequences.

i'll concede this point, your example persuades me i was wrong

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kison, your post 138 originally got my attention, thus the statement that you deserved some scrutiny, and your following post confirmed that theory for me

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this page has suddenly experienced an explosion of noise from battle mage with very little signal

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oh yeah i almost forgot about bm's conviction that ckd is protown

ckd, kison: how does bm's declaration that ckd is protown differ from my own about des, and why has it gone ignored by you two up to this point?

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I am very unconvinced by the case on CKD, and mention this because I think it is mostly wasting our time . Is the case anything more than him having a strong gut read early in the game, and saying so? If it is please enlighten me. If not, please move on.

if this is all you think the case on ckd is, you obviously didn't actually bother to read my posts. please do so before you accuse me of contributing garbage.

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mod, please prod yosarian2

he hasn't posted at all

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So what percentage of the last nine pages are actually worth reading?

100% minus BM

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i'd like kison and ckd to come back and continue making themselves obvious

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a few extremely pro town des quotes

Korts, do you think asking someone who they this is town is a scumtell?

Is anything interesting you besides rofl's question?

How about ckd unvoting you?

directed at korts, shows a keen eye for korts getting hung up on my questions and a depth of curiosity consistent with a solid pro town scumhunter. his questions are relevant and get straight to the heart of the matter, and offer a great opportunity to examine both korts and ckd's possible alignments as well as the relation between their alignments.

If ckd is scum, is his vote still random?
He didn't say why he voted for rofl either, so why say that was a better place for his vote?
I can understand asking rofl that question the first time. I don't see as much merit in persisting for an answer like you have, though. I'm not convinced that your play so far is pro-town, so I wonder about ckd leaving your wagon.

rather than be dissuaded by korts explanation, which was both insufficient and in parts answering on behalf of ckd (*scummy*), destructor delves further into it.

Also, it's self-bus'ing. I mean, he can only bus himself. He's doing it to get town cred in case he goes down in flames.

I'd strongly encourage any SK/s to adopt this excellent strategy.

Whether this is what's happening here or not, if you swap bussing with distancing, what DGB says has merit. A Mafiate can die and still win. SKs need to stay alive, so implying that you're willing to be lynched is alluding to not having survival in your win condition.


I think rofl's "clearing" of me is being blown out of proportion. I said I'm not sure of what rofl meant, but I have an idea of what rofl's train of thought was. I'm not saying more than that because it's not my place to speak for him.

and Des, you are voting me why?..becauase you think it is noise?

I think it's an unreasonably reachy argument. There is no reason arguments and cases have to be weak just because it's early in the game. What you're doing isn't even prodding and probing.

I stated several times it wasnt a case...I am not trying to parade it as anything else

I don't buy this. It's like you're saying you're only testing the waters. Here are some quotes:

first major scum move this game..

vote in the right place.

because I dont think you are "clearing" people right now. you are trying to buddy up with people right now.

he knows I caught him in a load a bullshit and he trying to avoid admitting it.

These all sound like you're definitely accusing rofl of being scum, more than just sniffing around.

it looks like someone trying to LOOK like they are doing something without really doing anything.

What do you make of Korts' contributions before page 5?

this whole post is just made of win. des highlights the weaknesses in ckd's position from several angles, with solid evidence backing himself up, and probes further by questioning ckd in regards to korts, showing how he is still investigating the connection between these two players, exactly as a legitimately curious townsperson would.

ckd saying ""vote is boring... and I think lacking" only tells me that he didn't think he should vote for you anymore. You aren't curious about what reason he had to vote rofl in the first place? You've said his vote is OMGUS, but he voted rofl before they started their exchange. ckd can't justify his vote retrospectively and you're ignoring this.

directed at korts again, simply brilliant. korts and ckd are all sorts of scum together.

DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.

incredibly protown to point out the obvious double standard, and on top of that des was the first one to say anything about this inconsistency.

in closing, des shows the curiosity and determination of true scumhunting, something that is very close to impossible to fake so convincingly, and he's casting his net wide enough that he isn't ignoring other things that go on. scum don't scumhunt - scum try to look like they're scumhunting. des is actually scumhunting, and a read of him is peppered with other very pro town odds and ends, therefore des is not scum.

hopefully that "nips things in the bud"

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Also, the reason I switched my vote to you is because you've shown resistance to multiple requests that you point out what Destructor has done to make you feel so certain he's town. That leads me to believe you simply said it without meaning it. Instead, ever since I pointed out that one thing I disliked, you've taken the stance that I'm scumnage rather than address my concern.

so, now that i've pointed out why i find des to be so protown, are you gonna stop voting me, or are you gonna manufacture another reason to keep your vote where it is?

love the graphic though

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korts just earned back a bit of town cred, and is v right about guardian

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so i read a game once where scum elmo almost lurked to victory. does anyone have a good town elmo meta?

nice birds though

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active lurking + only participating in order to self defend

yeah, elmo's probably scum here

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@Korts, Roflcopter - Why arent you voting for Yosarian2? What is your view of his lurking here?

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i'm not convinced yos is aware the game actually started.

and my vote has a very happy home already, i don't have any reason to go on a lurkerhunt.

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i agree with most of what dgb has been saying

aside from the vollkan bit, which i hope she's just joking about

scum list:
ckd
guardian
elmo
bm?
kison?
korts?

in that order

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oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

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oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?

BM

i don't, and i'm not, but what he

has

added has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.

bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa

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scum list:
ckd ✔
guardian

X

elmo

X

bm?

X

kison? ✔
korts? ✔
sensfan? ✔

thats cute, scum

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What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

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god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.

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and elmo, how would you know anything about who is and isn't scum if you have no plans to actually read the thread until page 20?

oh i know, because you're scum, so you can just manufacture checks and xes at your whim, placing some scumpartners in the check column and some in the x column to keep us guessing.

shouldn't have admitted that you had no intention to actually read the thread yet before you pulled that little stunt though

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oh, also add

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to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?

BM

i don't, and i'm not, but what he

has

added has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.

bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa

Lol, CALM DOWN DEAR!
You said you didnt want to string up a lurker because you already had a good suspect. Then you suggest a lurker, and offer no reasoning other than 'hes a lurker'. What else do you expect me to think?

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You seem panicked.

BM

you seem to be the one who is panicking, chainsaw defending sens against a suspicion that didn't even come with a vote attached.

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What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.

vote stands. I'm sorry if you resent the fact that i'll pick apart BS when i see it. Actually, i'm not. And i dont suppose you were one of the people who questionned my town read on CKD?

BM

i disagree with your town read on ckd, but i didn't try to call into question your reasons for believing ckd to be town, as you're doing with korts' reasons for believing dgb is town.

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BM, stop living up to your title.

literally minutes ago you gave BM an X on my scum list, as in "you are incorrect about BM being scum."

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i don't think your criticism was either honest or correct

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stop trying to get my vote off your scumpartner ckd

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Please explain why each is scummy, and why that order. Otherwise, cease and desist from this sort of posting because it is completely useless.

well, i believe i commented on the scummy things they were doing in situ, and the order is just my own personal weighting, but i disagree with you whole heartedly that this sort of posting is completely useless. the more transparent we all are with our current opinions on other players, the easier it becomes to track possible connections and spot inconsistencies. but i don't want to drag you into yet another theory debate, this game already has far too many of those going on.

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BM seems meta-townish.

define meta-townish. because it sounds mostly like an excuse for you to ignore whatever scummy things bm does.

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How has what Sensfan has said thus far been scummy?

see the bottom of page six/top of page seven

How is BM criticising an attack scummy?

because he wasn't just criticising it, he was mischaracterizing it as a lurkerhunt, which makes it sound like it doesn't have any basis in sens' actions. but if you'll do as i suggested with the quote right above this you'll see that it does in fact have a basis in sens' actions, and i was on his case when they were happening.

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i should also point out that you appear to have the preconception that i am going to do scummy things. I find it hard to believe that an open minded townie would have that approach.

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you are really good at framing your statements in such a way that they sound really damning without having actually proven anything.

i had no preconceptions about you or anyone else coming into this game. i am observing in the process of doing scummy things here.

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i am observing *you* in the process of doing scummy things here, that should say

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where did i ever say i assume you will behave in a scummy way?

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as in, he's ignoring all of the scummy things you've done, by saying he has a "meta-town" read on you

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Tunnel vision much?

wouldn't that require me to be voting you and not voicing my suspicions of a number of other players concurrently? do you think before you accuse me of things?

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you must be the one with the guilty conscience, bm, because i was referring to how scummy you had already looked, not how scummy you'd look in the future. but you're doing a great job of continuing to look scummy. carry on.

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In an instant, the future can become the present. 'Does' can be used in the future tense.

see the key word in that sentence is "can."

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Des pretty much has a huge neon "I AM TOWN" sign glued to him at the moment. I can't point to any one specific thing, but it does seem fairly obvious, especially when I played with his town self recently. I literally flipped through the thread, read a post or two of his and went "oh, good, Des is town". Currently, either he's town here, or he's absolutely godly as scum. I don't think that's contradictory at all.

Any chance you can back that up, for those of us who HAVEN'T played with TownDes recently?

why do people keep trying to do this?

also, sens, please answer the questions i posed to you in regards to the last time you posted.

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Is CKD trying to quietly slip his scummy self out from our collective consciousness?

Discuss.

his v/la seems legitimate, but he's not getting out of the limelight that easily

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so who's up for a theory discussion on self voting when under heavy pressure?

i'm kidding lets just lynch the scum

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i'm mildly confused by what guardian just said, but no, not unvoting

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ok, so then you should be saying you don't want any more votes put on ckd.

not telling us to unvote him, and raising the specter of some convoluted way for mafia to get a quicklynch to scare us into doing so.

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i'm surprised by the guardian kill

i don't see how elmo can be so sure it was the scum kill

ckd needs to go in the ground

vollkan, i thought it went without saying that what i wrote in response to sens in the passage i directed you to made it obvious that i found his actions there scummy. you characterized it as a theory debate, i disagree with you.

voting someone, or threatening to vote someone, for "not answering questions" is still stupid, as kison discovered when i answered his questions and he had no good reason to keep his vote on me.

i agree with destructor.

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is it easier for you if i just say its a gut feeling that i can't quantify based on those posts in particular which i pointed out?

i'm unclear on why this is such a big deal, sens is one of many people who caught my eye, but i'm obviously not trying to lynch him right now, and its hardly the most important aspect of my overall play in this game. it seems like nitpicking to be taking issue with that.

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i'm confused by dgb and ckd's little back and forth about death scenes here. i never saw anything but the death of guardian.

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you mean the statement he made during a spamming frenzy in between jokes and votes on page 2? Did you take that seriously? Should I have not taken your clearing of Des seriously?..I fail to see how they are similar…

you're leaving out the (at least) two other times bm has referenced you being obviously town or having a strong town read on you that were outside a page two spamming joke vote frenzy.

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re guardian death, i don't see why it couldn't have been a vig kill, there were several people who were publically suspicious of guardian before his death.

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vollkan, you're better than voting for someone by claiming "you're better than this"

yos, stop trying to take credit for catching the scum i caught

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you won't flip town, but the answer to that hypothetical question is "like a champ"

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Just reading the game ROFL, you are not really scum hunting

thats a lie

curious what this list is to date...care to provide another..top 3 will be fine for me…also why would be good too.

sure, updated list:
ckd
bm
sensfan
elmo

if I were to die this moment…and I flip town, who would be on your scum list..would it change?

you won't, but i'll humor you. if you flip town, i would have to take a very close look at yos and vollkan

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dear vollkan,

here is my concrete reason for suspecting sensfan

he has done nothing but make jokes and get involved in theory debates. zero scum hunting. even his bm vote, here:

Vote: BM

for a self-vote followed by a No Lynch vote.

which he's stuck to since the beginning, is for theoretical points, not actual scumtells.

this is scummy in and of itself, but it is coupled with the fact that his stances in all of the debates he's gotten into have directly worked to benefit ckd.

finally, he is active elsewhere on the site, but he's very noticeably absent here.

satisfied?

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ps, in light of sussing this out for myself, you can safely switch bm and sensfans' places on the updated list i just posted.

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dgb gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. that has no bearing on her alignment at all, i just like her.

i also find her townish in this game.

ragingrabbit, what is your opinion of sensfan? post 441 left him out entirely.

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more like intuition. that sounds better than gut, maybe vollkan won't have to go on another tirade because of it.

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dgb gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. that has no bearing on her alignment at all, i just like her.

Quote added on my wiki page.

i'm famous!

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its really disturbing me how ckd's self vote apparently managed to derail the wagon on him

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Satisfied? Not really - given how long it took. Placated? For now.

do you agree/disagree with my assessment? did you really care either way what i said about sensfan or were you more concerned with attacking me for not saying anything?

"Intuition" is gut in a cheap tuxedo. Nice try.

but doesn't it look good? tuxedos make everything look awesome.

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vollkan is selectively attacking people on my townie list. Is that any surprise, given that he's scum?

vollkan is also trying way, way, way too hard to stop the ckd wagon. so yeah, you're right, vollkan is scum.

yos is also winning the argument hands down.

populartajo is right, this thread needs more ckd lynch

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, since it was an early vote on BM.

you are so scum. stop active lurking like right now. if ckd didn't need to be lynched so badly right now you would have my vote in a heartbeat.

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this yos hate makes no sense to me

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deadline's coming, why hasn't ckd been lynched yet?

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yos' points against des are lacking

yos' points against voll are winning

voll's argument about yos leaving his vote on ckd when he was at L-1 or -2 or whatever is a load of crap and he knows it because ckd was only at that stage due to a SELF VOTE. stop trying to argue that anyone should have unvoted ckd for self voting.

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I'd like vollkanscum to park his vote in a more productive place. You're not going to be a chicken with your vote, are you, vollkan?

word

i mean that like the homies say it

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awesomesauce

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if the ckd wagon falls apart at the 11th hour it will be the biggest, scummiest fail in mafiascum history

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dgb, you should still be voting ckd, giving him the chance to get out of the being lynched in the last two hours before the deadline is asinine

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dgb, vollkan is already voting ckd, and its pretty clear bm won't be doing anything to participate in the day's lynch. only ckd remains of your "cowards" and the only concievable thing he could do if he changed his vote is push korts ahead of him, which is the least desirable outcome. so as i said, you should still be voting ckd.

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on a side note, elmo needs to stop hiding behind his "i'm too lazy/uninterested to be caught up in this game" schtick and sensfan needs to get his ass in here too

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how is not voting korts to save my ass a coward move?

i never called you a coward, that was all dgb

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rofl, do you think if you push hard enough to lynch a townie, you will have some WIFOM arguement tomorrow? "scum wouldnt have pushed that hard"..

ckd, if you really do flip town, i'll be too busy still scumhunting to bother responding to anyone who tries to pin the entire blame for your lynch on me

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why do you think I am not voting korts?...

i'm honestly surprised you're not. the options are he's your scum buddy, or you think not doing so is going to wifom people into believing you're town by not following the path of self preservation.

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laughing....like you have been scum hunting today?

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in six minutes? not a fucking chance

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vote: sensfan

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a counterpoint to the theory that sens is lurking everywhere (though i too feel his absence from his modded games), i present the recently concluded open 102 where town sens was incredibly active. it ran concurrently with his inability to post anything meaningful in this thread whatsoever.

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I'm very disappointed with CKD for not having moved his vote to Korts.

I agree with RR, we'll have to utility lynch SensFan at some point. That coward didn't even vote in a hotly contested race. Maybe he should be replaced at this point.

not a utility lynch, sens is obvscum. having him replaced would be cruel to the replacement.

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I'm very disappointed with CKD for not having moved his vote to Korts.

I agree with RR, we'll have to utility lynch SensFan at some point. That coward didn't even vote in a hotly contested race. Maybe he should be replaced at this point.

not a utility lynch, sens is obvscum. having him replaced would be cruel to the replacement.

Then he should be modkilled outright. He is modding a game, isn't he?

at least two that i'm in

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i'm interested in how likely people think it is that there is at least one of [compulsive vig, serial killer] in the setup.

personally i can't imagine there isn't, which means we have a missing kill somewhere yesterday.

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also if you truly think sens is just a utility lynch, it should be done today because utility lynches becomes exponentially more damaging for town the later in the game they must be performed.

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i still think there's a good chance that guardian was a vig kill

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compulsive vig is compulsive

not lynching sensfan today would be a mistake

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lurking is only one part of the equation of sens' scumminess

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yos, do you think sens is scummy for anything aside from lurking?

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bm stop talking nonsense

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if we get a sens replacement bm is a good wagon

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unvote, vote: battle mage

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guh, really bm, that was ridiculous

vote: vollkan

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I'm here. I shouldn't have taken this game on, but I will play to the best of my ability. Anyway, I have no idea what's going on, and I'm not focusing well at ALL right now. I'll try to catch up tomorrow/Friday.

welcome forb. but that quote is depressingly similar to the majority of what we got out of sensfan.

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i think yos and des are both town and this feud between them is a big waste of time

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geez, thanks for immediately proving me wrong, whoever did that

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the killing of a mafia member proves beyond a doubt that there have been kills missing these past two days. something to keep in mind.

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i think the most likely yosarian scumpartner is korts

unvote, vote: korts

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Thats why yos was feeling a bit weak when reasoning against vollkan and des.
I dont know, rolf. Yos messed twice with Korts' name. I mean, if they were scumpartners he would think twice before confusing him with Kison, right?

i think its more likely that the name switch was a legitimate mental lapse on yos' part which had nothing to do with his or korts' alignments, but that was certainly a noteworthy attempt to dissuade me from my conclusion for shitty reasons.

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yos was way too concerned about why people were wagoning you day one and made it his business to make sure your wagon didn't outcompete ckd's. then the continued expressions of exasperation over the fact that not many people did address his concerns about your wagon. thats the biggest thing.

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I can see your point of view.

He was a bit too obvious, though. Buddying up, incriminating me, red herring for the town, I don't have much else I can reply with.

well that was thoroughly unconvincing

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we should lynch before scum make their kill for the day

its interesting that yos chose to lurkerhunt sens but made no mention of the equally lurking elmo

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congratulations korts, the only person who i would have believed had vidged both guardian and kison

unvote

now seriously, what happened to all the mafia kills?

vote: elmo

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]Rolf, why do you believe him?

he and i were the only ones who kept insisting that kison and guardian made sense as vig kills, not just necessarily mafia kills. and i'm not counterclaiming.

i agree with dgb

unvote, vote: vollkan

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i like the leave korts alive til it seems like we've run out of scum to kill plan. i for one don't think his kills are that preposterous from his perspective. i would have considered the same kills in his position, except that i wouldn't have killed yos, so i guess you guys should be happy he's the one with his finger on the trigger and not me.

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Locking in RR as town for remainder of game.

for reals

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RR, you're excluding the possibility that scum failed to send in a kill Day 2; BM was lynched pretty suddenly.

thats a fair point. des and i basically quickhammered him between us.

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k, vollkan claim time

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i think elmo is a good vig target

why hasn't vollkan been lynched yet?

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nope, can't put my finger on it right now, but elmo is definitely scum, and this vollkan wagon seems to have stopped short of the lynch i was hoping for

unvote, vote: elmo

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I would obviously vote for him over being lynched. That would make four. You could easily make him the deadline lynch by keeping your vote on him, I think. Why the switch?

real lynches are much preferable to deadline lynches

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i'm cool with an fl lynch too, y'all know where i stood on sens. not gonna put my vote there for the same reason as rr says, so there can't be a quickhammer-by-way-of-mafia-kill

i'll give some details on why i think elmo is scum tonight or tomorrow, i've just spent the day at the funeral of someone very close to me and am not up to that right now

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Wow.

I really don't like that list, but I have no idea why.

is it because he is basically refusing to take a stance on three out of eight people? thats one of my problems with it.

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well if korts is scum he's an sk. but we should be voting on directing his kill today as well as a lynch.

dgb, des and raging rabbit are all surely town, so i think we're in pretty great shape right now.

and hey i was right about sens! go me.

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vote: vollkan

and i would like korts to

vig: elmo

that would be a successful day.

at this point, there must either be a very successful rb or doctor in our midst to explain the lack of a second kill every day. if anyone rbed korts on days one two or three i think they would have spoken up by now.

is it time for a massclaim?

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also, possible korts should be suiciding today or tomorrow

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if the game's not over with vollkan and elmo dead he'd be the way to go

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i think the ideal next two days would be lynch/vig voll and elmo today, then if the game isn't over lynch tajo and have korts vig himself.

dgb, opinion on massclaim?

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yeeehaw!

yeah i totally thought i had confirmed dgb as town on d3. good thing she was actually town.

i´m glad the scum took so long to catch onto the fact that the people i was calling pro town from as early as possible were failing to die to night kills.

and i don´t think you should change the doctor role, adel. it was a very important strategic element of the game trying to determine the optimal protection as early in the day as possible. thats why i started day one aggressively hunting for town tells instead of scum tells.

and finally, this game is just one more piece of evidence for my thesis that whenever i´m in a game with korts, he´s scum

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ps i don´t know if it was just the deep south setup or what but doctor is not an easy role, this was probably the most stressful game for me as far as night choices go that i´ve ever played

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thanks guardian. sorry i was so adamantly against you d1, that was my biggest misread of the game.

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oh yeah, reasons for protects: d1 des bc obvtown, d2 des bc i guessed i had a successful protect, d3 bc dgb bc also obvtown and i thought the mafia would stop trying to kill des after failing twice, d4 ragingrabbit because also obvtown. i´m way better and reading townness than scumitude, i think

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i also tried really hard d1 to make des an nk target, so that whole "who do you think is town" schtick was part of my strategy

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yeah that tajo lynch was pretty silly, but hey everything worked out

adel, why was the game named crackers!

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did i miss a link to the scum qt somewhere? i wanna see it.

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ok then, could someone from the scumteam post the link or pm it to me? i promise i rarely put enough effort into games to even meta other games, let alone scum qts

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yos? vollkan? nothing?