Family Guy Mafia - Game Over

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/mirf

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I assume something weird happened in other game. Care to share what?

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Before anyone says anything I will point out rule one again.

1) This is a game.

Play for fun. Don't be rude to other players

and remember this is Family Guy so swearing is bound to happen

This is a warning!

What did I say?

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Vote:Greasy Spot.

Stop messing with my puta puta.

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You know what does Puta mean in Spanish, right?

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Ding ding ding.

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Elvis, have we been in a game before together?

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Farside, relax. We all love the random stage.

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Qué puta que eres!

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What the fuck are guys even talking about?

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Farside prob used some features from her last FG game, prob not the most obvious ones. That game ended well balanced, right? I assume it because she did this.
So, to the players of the other game, is wondering about about the flavour a valid strategy for town, not so valid, null, etc?

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Women are so predictable /runs.

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I dont know how my reading of that topic ended in the discovery of Primate being cr3tin.

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Something about the security of Kmd is making me wonder.
Will reread Zilla later and give my thoughts of this wagon. For now.

Unvote Vote:Kmd

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I was worried about Kmd's security because it seems to me like he is too quick to dismiss Zilla as scum and to affirm that scum are using her as an easy wagon with no direct implication of the people in the wagon. Feels off.
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So, I reread the thread and specially famewhore Zilla and this is a decent summary.
Page 1-3 are random fun.
Zilla last to confirm. I love Forb's post restriction. Funny coincidence (hope so) with another game she's modding.
Puta seems a little eager to start jumping against Hybris. Zilla notices this.
Kmd has a post restricition though. News man, I guess.
With little knowledge of the theme, I dont understand what charter and Kmd are talking about in page 4.
Xtoxm starts wondering about the names of the chatters. ManaKu doesnt like it.
Llama as usual feels town.
Zilla is 7 of 10 serious about his Puta vote. Mmm. I dont know if her reasoning about Kmd makes sense to the people who know the flavor.
More flavor speculation.
Charter has a PR? Votes Zilla.
Hybris and Zilla are in love. Top of page 6.
Charter explains his vote. Seems to be reading too much in Zilla's wonderings about some double agent that I dont know who the fuck is.
Zilla still suspects Puta. But I dont know why she is so serious about it in page 6.
Llama questions that too.
Hybris and Zilla are in love x2. Post 142. Horrible semirandom stage reason.
I dont like this.

I obviously don't have much to go on for Puta, but I still spelled out why he registered on my radar, and he's done nothing to allay my suspicions

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No much to go on her but she hasnt done nothing to allay suspicions?
Page 7. Debate about farside using flavour as a big feature of the game.
Mana votes Zilla.
Elvis feels town a bit after.
Poro votes Zilla.
Zilla is figthing quite hard to be honest. But I dont like the way she's going against Puta and she even admits she doesnt have much against her.
FL votes Zilla. Me likes her.
Zilla explains is her fists game but then again seems to be pushing Puta's case with no arguments other than the information gained from her lynch.
Puta Foses for rolefishing. WTF?
Zilla and Llama have a nice chat there.
Tony doesnt sees the Zilla case.
And Kmd also doesnt see it but comes up with a post that felt off. See above.
Blackadder dislikes both Puta and Zilla wagon. Foses Kmd. Mana asks some questions about WIFOM.
RF feels town in 203.
Zilla leaves Puta and charges against Mana for horrible logic (sic).

So, the problem with Zilla is the fact that she pushed a weak case (Puta's) for reasons I still dont get and that she apparently isnt so sure about. I also dont like Kmd's reaction to this event, making a hypothesis about scum going against her but not directly suspecting the people directly implicated. So.

Unvote Vote Zilla FOS:Kmd

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So you would vote someone for being scum and then advise them how they should play if they're town?

I dont see how both of them are mutually exclusive.
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Having skimmed the thread I give you some thoughts...
Charter is stretching this wolf thing to levels he only knows why. Will be good to look at after this.
I am still happy with my Zilla vote because no one has explained yet why Puta deserves a vote with that security. (Zilla even admits that that she doesnt have much to go with) Yes, that bitch is lurking but so many players are and her behaviour doesnt scream that obvscum to me. Her screams and selfvote are null, IMO. Some guy, I think Xtoxm, said that this came from town. I thought like that too until I played with Ala who was Bowser scum in MKM and tricked me with the same idea. What I didnt like is that she forgot her frustration like hours after that act and now jumps back and forward against Hybris and Puta Puta. Backtracking all the way.
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The Hybris wagon has potential. Hybris seems to worried about his scummyness. Didnt like that vote/unvote also.
I will read with more time the other posts later and come up with something decent tomorrow.

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Reaction-tester?

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Zilla, that is not the reason of my vote.
The reason of my vote is

I am still happy with my Zilla vote because no one has explained yet why Puta deserves a vote with that security. (Zilla even admits that that she doesnt have much to go with) Yes, that bitch is lurking but so many players are and her behaviour doesnt scream that obvscum to me.

I am not defending her. She could well be scum but I DONT seen anything until now that tells me that.
You can yell all you want, vote yourself, etc, etc. That doesnt make you more scum or more town. I have been frustrated before and I know that is not the way to go.
So lets do something. Answer this.
1. What does diferentiate Puta from than the other lurkers?
2. What besides of lurking has she done to gather her only vote?
3. Do you think that if you lynch Puta and she comes up scum, the people that doesnt agree with you are inmediately scum?
4. What do you think of Hybris?
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I am also possibly V/LA until tomorrow, maybe two days. See ya.

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who you be?

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Posting from a phone. Woot.

furthermore, I don't claim

wolfram

Puta is innocent, but he hasn't done anything as remotely scummy

as you trumpeting him as being "for sure" scum because he said "especially if you are town."

In fact, you are the only one pushing for her right now.

Building a weak case on someone is stupid, harmful to town, and shouldn't be done by anyone. Especially if you are town.

This is exactly how I feel about you, Zilla.
Will come back with more after my LA.

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Catching up. Will post something later.

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Just came back from a trip in the weekend. Im going to have some LA all this week for job motives but I should be able to check and post some things.
Puta is prob just a null idiot. I dont endorse modkilling and I think someone else could replace her before modkilling inmediately.
I join the group worried about Xtoxm. Usually he's a multiple one liner but he is too quiet for the level of the game. Could be that he isnt interested but he has some "I know what is going on" votes.
You know something isnt right when Xtoxm is quiet.

FOS.

Will catch up with other things that have been posted during the week.

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Come on, tell me, tell me who that bitch is.

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That was like "well Zilla is honestly making a lot of sense lately" to "here we go again".
Am I the only one that thinks Puta is just a retard and is fucking the game Gimbo-inverse-style?

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BM?

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Mmmm, I dont know if this changes things.

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Sigh.

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Something like a revelation?

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The right question is to ask in which and in how many games (if ongoing) he has been lynched D1.

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Llama, I feel like I am asking this question in every game. What does differentiate the Internet* from other possible more suspicious, IMO, candidates?
*To be honest I didnt even realize he was in this game until those posts.

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The ironic thing is that Xtoxm is doing this to avoid being lynched D1.
I agree with Xtoxm in that last paragraph. I think you are exagerating with that. Also just wondering, where did Puta go in your blatantly scummy type?
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@Llama
Ive seen both TM and TI lurk in some games I am/was with them. I usually hate lynching people for lurking but can you show that neutral stance you are talking about?

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Exaggerating on this.

Because clearly it is entirely the fault of the lynchee for getting

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lynched, never your fault for voting him.

What are you trying to say here? I know it's sarcasm, but you're basically saying...

Unvote: Wolfram
Vote: Xtoxm

It so seems to me like a general comment.

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You are exaggerating about his last paragraph.

Because clearly it is entirely the fault of the lynchee for getting

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lynched, never your fault for voting him.

What are you trying to say here? I know it's sarcasm, but you're basically saying...

Unvote: Wolfram
Vote: Xtoxm

You're saying you know or expect Wolf to be town (mislynched), and trying to cast blame on his voter preemptively? And trying to set it up so you look good when that happens? DESPITE VOTING FOR HIM YOURSELF?

Hey charter, here's an example of the exact thing you're campaigning, and a much more concrete one.

It sounds to me like a general comment, not Wolf related. Or I am missing something?

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Sorry just replaced in two games and I needed defending in other. I should give the time this one needs after my V/LA.

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Quick posting since the conference room:
-WTF is Kmd talking about? What is the logiceal answer to that question? "Yes?"
-i think Tony Montawna is antitown in all his games, Ive seen him before and I think thats just his playstyle. So his actions are null based in meyta and the people in his wagon are votidng him why?
-wheres Xtoxm , huh?
Will be full access possible tomorrrow, max two days.

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I never said ignore him. I want to know why exactly people are voting him or singling him out of other players with the same playstyle and if they are going to keep their votes now that they know he has an antitown meta.
Ive seen wagons full of weak reasoning. This is one.

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Kmd what is the correct answer to that question?

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I am not scum.
Does that make me scum?
I dont get it.

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732 still waits an asnwer.

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If I had said no, things would be different?
You realize you arent being pretty logical, or am I missing something?

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Looking at your avatar, Id dare you to kiss me, RF. <3

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Zilla I think you need a man.
You have voted a great amount of players but the problem is that you forget about your previous suspects with an astonishing easiness.

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I am back. Let me catch up.

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Welcome replacements. I just finished both of my rereads in the games I just replaced, one was 30sh so I should be able to give this one the time it deserves today. I will find you the scum tonight. Ta ta.

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That FOS is strange, considering Puta has been very liberal about her votes.
Who are you?!111 exc sign!!

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TI wants to feel town to me. I know I should stop this cuz it makes me looks bad calling someone suspected, a townie, but Im a sucker for ma townie gut. Kinda like how he has reacted to the semipressure. His reads dont feel noncomittal to me as he has stated who he thinks is more protown and more scum.
In the other hand. still thinking TM's behaviour is null but just reread his posts and it makes me wonder about his early claim, especially his flavor claim. I usually claim early too but Im worried why he used his flavour claim first and then added the vanilla part. Something feels off there. Why did you claim flavour first?
I want someone to tell me if charter plays like that everytime. I know lovers multiball just ended. Did he jump in weak tells like that or he is usually more reasonable?

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Zilla is still meh, cant stop thinking she is too quick to dismiss his other cases, has some fabricated posts and some interesting frustration, and pretty much everyone has reacted to her wagon. still thinking this makes her an optymal lynch.
Xtomx is also meh. Acting like that for avoiding another D1 fiasco. I know how it feels but you are usually reasonable. Share with us.
Fluff, usual protown read, null read. Only worry about him when he's alive D3.
CC09, Ive palyed with him before. He was a newbie that time and had the same style there. Usually scummy, not much posting, jumping in weak wagons. Dont know what else can be said about him other than healthy D2, D3 lynch.
Puta, my Puta. Who the fuck are you? Still thinking some asshole dude that thought it was funny to alt and have a dick meta. Lycnhable, yes, but not optymal for information reasons.

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Hahahah, I knew it, poor Gimbo.

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I agree. Lets see that if in the meanwhile, Zilla stops ignoring my posts.

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What, this?

Zilla is still meh, cant stop thinking she is too quick to dismiss his other cases, has some fabricated posts and some interesting frustration, and pretty much everyone has reacted to her wagon. still thinking this makes her an optymal lynch.

That's all you've got on me for the past 4 pages, and it isn't even any direct accusation. It's all subjective analysis. If you want, I'll point out that it's a really weak analysis because it doesn't provide any real instances of "fabricated posts," my "interesting frustration" isn't scum related, and just because everyone was on my case doesn't make me scum (actually more likely to be the opposite). I don't know what you mean by "she is too quick to dismiss his other cases" because I don't know who the "his cases" refers to, and I'm not dismissing them, Charter's just at the top of my list.

I thought you already knew it but here we go again.
Fabricated posts : voting for two persons in the same post. What do you want to accomplish with that?
Interesting frustration: voting for yourself and less than one day away unvoting and going crazy against Puta, again for a weak reason. What was the reason for that selfvote? Real frustration or you wanted it to look like frustration?
Everyone reacted to your wagon: The fact that you think that EVERYONE in your wagon is scum makes sense to you? Do you think you are a good at lynch after all?
Quick to dismiss your other cases: What happened with Puta, Hybris, TI, Wolf, Xtomx? Do you still think they are scum?

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Could spol, tajo, zilla, BA, kmd, hybris, pacman and TI explain why they are either voting for someone that isnt going to be lynched or not voting at all? Given that deadline at the latest is in about three and a half days, it doesnt make much sense, especially since there isnt a lot of talk about why we should be lynching these people instead of TM or TI.

TI really should think about claiming since I still dont think the vote count is as straightforward as it appears. I really dont want to out anyone, but this isnt looking like a two gap difference between TM and TI. I would say im about 80% sure on this.

The thing is that Ive stated I dont think both lynches are optymal but ne vous inquietez pas. I am in the site almost every day and Im willing to vote for someone to avoid no lynch. Prob TM for his flavour claim.
Why do I have the feeling that no one reads my posts?

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TI coming up scum renforces the idea of TM town, unless we have 2 scum groups. SK/vig combo is also possible. Zilla screams vig action, though.
Llama : why do you think there is a vig? And why are you alive D2? Explain, plz.
Poro, really?
I agree that TI was an easy bus and there is prob some scum there (prob late) and some scum in the TM wagon (prob early). Will reread to find out names.

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Sorry for not posting much. Im in too many games and one awesome game just started, coug, mind screw, cough.
All the voters for Nitro can explain why they are voting for him?

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I know, I know I should pay more attention to this game but Im trying something here. If Nitro is town then I want to prevent more "easy wagon" paraphernalia.
If Nitro is scum, then prob all the people already in his wagon are prob town since I consider bussing this early pretty improb.
The basic question is if Nitro has been scummy enough to be optymal today when we (I) havent even looked around other interesting targets from yesterday, taking into account the amount of dead people today.
I know Im partially guilty of this and some others are but Im going to give a reread this weekend. I have to.

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Prodded. Not much time for all my games but Im skimming the majority of them. TM, after TI flip and assuming 1 scum team, is still prob town with a bad play, for experience reasons.
Nitro, zero posting, awful easy target vote. He prob tried to read the game Prob scum.

Unovte Vote:Nitro.

I dont get whats the reasoning for voting/suspecting TM. Havent you played with someone like that before? Is there any indication of scum behaviour, knowing that his meta is nonhelpful regardless role? I know all of them cant be scum so explanation, pluz.
Hi, Zilla.

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FOS: Acid Flux.

You know what you did there.

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FOS: Acid Flux.

You know what you did there.

I know exactly what I did. I asked for another player to clarify their statement. Why is this suspicious to you?

Want to know why yet?

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Well I'm at Lynch -2, and I'm stuck, it doesn't look like you people are going to unvote me so I'm going to claim to prevent any sort of "accidental" lynch.

I'm Bonnie Swanson. Mommy. I'm eternally pregnant, until now. Each night i could search to try and find Joe, if I did, I'd give birth and our lovely bastard mod would add a new player to the game. Sadly, my husband has died, so I will continue to be pregnant forever and as such have been relegated to the land of Vanilla Townie.

But you are gay, right?
Need to reread something.

Unvote.

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Regarding our "mommy", I looked to some posts from wolf and KOC, trying to look for some interrelation between them since I assume both should be looking each other, but I found nothing. Pretty inclined to believe Zone's claim, though. Seems too hard to craft to be a fakeclaim and someone said before farside likes babies. Seems plausible.
Would come back with a decent suspect, although this Charter-Zilla-Fluff-BA-RF chat is making me nervous, dont know why yet.

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Farisde, Prob V/LA since today until after Christmas, maybe more.

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Dont worry gay dude from MS.
I will come up with a vote after my V/LA.

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Im here.
Need to reread some but I promissed some time ago I would find you the scum and I owe you all a Christmas present, so yeah, expect some comments of me later.

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I support a deadline extension. Im currently at page 10 and I think I can do it to deadline if nobody else supports its extension.
Not so happy with this vote since I haven't finished my reread but its better than not having a vote

unvote vote:tubby

Claim, plz.
Llama, I think I know why you are alive today but Ill comment about it later.

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Ive been in two games with double voters. One was Blood something mafia with a townie orator as double voter and the other was Mushroom Kingdom Mafia that had many double voters. Peach and Bowser come to mind.
I was thinking that double voting is prob more a townie ability . Imagine an endgame 2 town-1 scum scenario with a scum that can double vote getting an inmediate win. I could prob be wrong in this one since I havent seen a game where scum was a double voter as well. People with more experience?
In the other hand, if tubby is scum then he is prob a godfather for that additional benefit, dont you think?
Tubby, if you are town, the logical next step in your defense is to try to find out who is the scum you are saying are in your wagon.
LF, why did you unvote?

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You know, it does seem odd that we have a non-voter that has earned little to no suspicion, and a double-voter that everyone thinks is scum. Wouldn't a town non-voter and a scum double-voter be very unbalanced? Still, farside has a way of smoothing these things out in unconventional ways, at least from what I've seen.

What are you implying here?
Also, love your new avatar.

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Tajo, what makes you think Tubby would be a Godfather if he is scum?

In the other hand, if tubby is scum then he is prob a godfather for that additional benefit, dont you think?

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Who has more possibilities of getting additional scum benefits? A goon or a godfather?
I also biased my reasoning a little bit with the fact that in Mushroom Kingdom Mafia, Bowserscum was a dobule voter.

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tajo

did you feel your vote on zilla was a good choice given that ti was scum?


what to you did i do that warranted your vote on me?

Obv was not a good choice since Zilla came up town. I dont know how TI is related to this. Can you read my case of her and tell me if you disagree entirely with it? Also, at that moment I didnt think neither TM or TI were scum and I really really think we were pretty lucky to nail scum D1. Do you disagree?
And about your vote. When I voted for you I posted that I wasnt happy with that vote since I was currently at page 10 but if we couldnt get a deadline extension at least my vote/pressure would be on someone about to claim. And yes Im a lazy bastard.
I assume you find me the most suspicious in your wagon?

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then hammer me and be done with it,, sheesh i don't mind honest

Arg.

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New Year, parties and deadline extension are making me neglect this game like crazy. Thx for the new wallotext, BTW.
Happy New Year!
I dont like how tubby has been going underadar lately. Im expecting a list of players he think he is scum in his next posts.

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Ouch. Enough with procrastinating this game. I should have something today, not more than tomorrow.

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Okay I like 69 so here I go. In order of players alive in FP.

1 TonyMontana.- D1-D2 he was meh. D3 hasnt improved. I always play in games where there is a player like him and so far scum likes to use them as easy targets for mislynches. So far Ive seen this is his strategy in all games, something like an smarter K7 or MafiaSSK that has no reasons to be lynched beacuse he doesnt do anything. I shouldnt consider him as townie as I thought D1-D2 but so long he hasnt given me reasons to think he is scum. So null, slightly townie for the fact that TI come up scum and the possible idea that RF investigated him N1. he HE SHOULD participate more, though, as I know his analysis should be valuable if he is t own. Small odds of being scum if there are two mafia groups.

2 LlamaFluff .- Okay. He has a meta of being a good player as town and as scum. So why isnt he dead yet and players like KOC and RF are? With the amount of kills every night (it seems to be 3) there has to be at least 2 antitown groups since 2 vigs is overpowered for town. Mafia/Sk or possibly 2 mafia groups combo. Smart scum would have killed him N1 but smarter scum would leave him alive? Or maybe because he is confused? Or maybe he is scum? This is something that has been bugging me since D2 so lets look at some of his story.
D1, half of D2 is ok. Seems to be in the same TM boat and supported TI lynch. Lastly he has been going so-so. First post of the day is terrible. It really feels a fake frustration. LF 131 in his only posts is a decent attack against Hybristown and some promises of more reasons that he never posted.

Hell I am probably going to catch quite a bit of flack for this move... but
unvote
Vote Hybris

Mmmm. So, LF is of course a good town player and knows how to look protown if he is scum. There is no clear indication of scummy moves and it would be tough to find one but there is something off with him. I need to reread him and just not skim for his posts. Id be very wary of him if he makes it to endgame. Neutral slightly scummy.

3 Kmd4390 .- Im biased with this player. I find him ext protown in all the games Ive been/am with him. Here is a little different. First the PR that can be broken for a benefit. Is it possible? The question to Porochaz (I dont remember the name of this "tactic") is ridiculous and I disliked when he proposed it. The PR situation is polemical and I dont know if I buy it yet, specially for the refusal to claim it at first glance but then be very open about it. His EK case is decent and I think that I can rule out bussing from this pair. Also his role if Im reading it right and if he is telling the truth isnt that useless. They have to tell you the truth, right? Conclusion depends of his answer to this.

5 Acid Flux .- Not much from this player. A blatant rolefishing yesterday. So so contributions, pretty much answering to attacks and following trends. Zilla scared the hell out of him because after a wall of attacks he just went back t charter. "Zilla is reactionary" Why do you think that about her so late in the game after voting her? Pretty much the typical under the radar player. Scummy.

6 CoheedCambria09.- Asked for replacement. I was in another game with him where he was the cop and also lurked but never asked for a replacement. There is no pressure in him. If either LF or Ace is scum, I think there could be possibilities of he being scum bored with the game/ impossible to catch up and with scumteam losing a member. Slightly scummy for some attacks with no backup and zero contribution to the game.

7 Elivs knits.- EK is an strange read. I just found she was a woman. Smetimes I think she is town, sometimes I think she is scum. Supported charter in the wolf thing. Good reasoning in the TI/TM thing. Need to prob reread her more. This KMD-Elvis thing feels non fabricated as I said before. Neutral.

8 Zilla.- Also biased on this one. Was town in Lovers mafia and she was as crazy as she is here. If she is town, I wouldnt be amazed if the majority of her fights here are townie vs townie because she always jumps. Reactionary makes sense here. Interesting attacks on LF. I found Kloud protown in some of his posts. Will like to reread her more in the future. Neutral slightly townie.

9 charter.- I liked him until he came up with the retarded wolf thing. Thats not a legit scumtell and LF proved some posts ago that that same sentence has been posted by a lot of players here. Does that mean they are all scum? Ofc not. Many people seem to suspect him but Ive played with players like him before. Ortolan in Crush mafia is a perfect example. Charter isnt that logical but he has that crazy style that makes him think that he is right in everything he does and just push things to level of crazyness. Meh. Last posts have been good. Scum wouldnt confirm a player like TM and look for a special cop-hint after death. They just dont. All this Zoneace fight is full of childlish accusations and may as well safely rule out this scumpair.

10 tubby216 Replaced Puta Puta, Gimbo alt that was a headache since that awful post of rape D1. . DOuble voter. Claimed some guy that I dont remember his name. (yes Im getting tired) Zero contribution to the game but has a solid claim. Didnt like his reaction to the pressure. I ask again, doublevoter are usually townies, right? to avoid scum win win scenarios in endgame? If Im wrong, then HE SHOULD START contributing more insted of sitting in his tight doublevoter ass. Neutral.

12 populartajo. Isnt he lovely?

16 Porochaz. Not too much from this guy. Really he has so so ontributions. I find interesting his comment of TM and charter. Why is he in your top 2? Why charter is not town? KMD is still scum for you? Neutral.

17 ZONEACE. This guy has replaced and since the beginning of his life here, even before he got his PM, he went crazy against charter. Might as well rule out with a safe percent the prob of this scumpair. They are both attacking each other for reasons that go beyond this game, IMO. Agressive player, not afraid of telling what he thinks, reminds me of some IC in my newbie game. Ive heard ZA is a good player so attacking him is not the way to go here. Lets look at his replacements. I didnt like Nitro. His unexplained vote for TM under pressure is terrible and his lurking through replacement again under pressure is a solid scumtell. Wolf had that charter accusation all over again. ZA has made a good job of looking agressive, therefore not scared of telling things, town tell, but he has an interesting claim also. I dont think he faked it since it makes sense with farside Mafia Mum and seems to elaborate to be invented. But is this claim indication of allignment? If mommiescum has a child with daddytown, the bastard would be town or scum? 1 more scum in the game doesnt overpower scum considering the amount of deaths every night? Meh, ACE is a healthy lynch for replacement reasons, specially Nitro.

19 BlakAdder Also not much from this one. Totally dislike his one liners and another example of under the radar player. I dont like his stance in the Zoneace-charter fight. Why Zone over charter? Not too much to pick from. Neutral slightly scummy.

Prob Im missing a lot but lets hope that this brings me back in the game.
So, decent lynches : Acid Flux, CC09, BA, second batch, prob Llama and healthy lynch Zoneace.

Vote : Acid Flux.

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CC I have no clue on, but given that the rest of the list is either proven town or I have them as town, I would not be too surprised if he was town as well.

This is a perfect example of LF off logic in this game. I can see where he comes from but I think that not because a confirmed town is in a group of players that means every player of the list is town also. Also, Fluff, no comments of my post?

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Cool, now I get to participate more fully, and the cherry in the center is the 'I told you so' at the end.

I'll say it again. You're misinterpreting my playstyle. This is my first game at this forum. I'm not used to all the ins and outs, apparently. Where I normally play and how I normally play, we don't have 30-day long Day periods, and, to be honest, there aren't anywhere near as many Machiavellian intricacies.

I'm also not used to people being as personally antagonistic, which may have affected my own 'Scumdar'.

I'm not about to throw myself in the Noose, not by a long shot, but if it does happen, take the resulting 'Oops', and use it wisely.

Where did you play before?
Would you consider yourself a newbie?

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Mmkay. Just try to fit in here. Can you give us a little though of all the players here?

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Sure. I'll have some time after work to offer opinions. I'm probably not going to slog through all 69+ pages mining for clues, but I'll give my overall 'threat analysis'.

Cool.

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My question to AF and tajo is: Why didn't you choose between the TM and TI wagons? The wagons were close and you could have effected the outcome. Didn't you care which of them were lynched? Did you have any read on either?

I had both of them pegged as town and the inevitable but decent mislynch D1.
The small but still latent possibility of TM being mafia is that there are 2 scumgroups or that somehow we managed to catch 2 mafiosos in D1. Elvis is right in the idea that the possibilities are low and that discussing about him is not much productive.
AF, how is the list going? And, I also support a BA lynch. Prod?

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Interesting catch, Elvis. Im interested in Llama's answer to this.
I dont get what you are trying to say about the TM/TI dilemma. Could you rephrase it?

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Interesting catch, Elvis. Im interested in Llama's answer to this.
I dont get what you are trying to say about the TM/TI dilemma. Could you rephrase it?

I am just interested why you didn't vote either of them.

I guess you already answered me, saying you thought they were both town. Which is a valid answer.

But did you think they were EQUALLY townish? You didn't think one was slightly more town than the other?

Staying off both wagons just makes you look like you didn't care who was lynched. Which is not pro-town.

Equally townish no. TBH, I thought at the moment that if any of them was scum, TM would had more probs of being scum. TI just felt weak townie to me.
Its not that I didnt care who was lynched. Its just that I dont usually play D1s if Im not generally interested. It also helps me survive through D3, D4, endgame where analysis is more precise.
Also I think that TI coming up scum doesnt add up to the idea of not caring who would be lynched. Scum would either be in the TM late votes or (less prob) in early TI voters.

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Elvis, just interested, what were your thoughts of the TI/TM dilemma?

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This is the final VC that lynched TI instead of TM.

TonyMontana 7 votes: (RestFermata, forbiddanlight, Nitro Styles, Porochaz, tubby, The Internet, BlakAdder)
The Internet 8 votes: (LlamaFluff, charter, CoheedCambria09, TonyMontana, Elivs knits, Zilla, Kmd4390, Knight of Cydonia)

The interesting fact is that TM was fluctuating between 6-8 votes much before TI was pressured to death. A distancing vote at that moment would have been a very good move if TM would have been lynched and TI vigged or lynched next day. But we know how that ended. Thats why I think that in the early voters group (LF, charter and CC) its possible we can find a very calculating scum.
In the TM wagon: Poro, tubby and BA all make equal sense as scum trying to change the target of the lynch.
Ofc this is avoiding the prob of TM being part of second scum group.
What conclusions can you gather of the same VC? I think everyone should answer this.

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What conclusions can you gather of the same VC? I think everyone should answer this.

Can't rule out the possibility of a later bus either. It's a risky choice for scum to try to edge out a buddy's wagon.

Are you suggesting KMD?

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What conclusions can you gather of the same VC? I think everyone should answer this.

Can't rule out the possibility of a later bus either. It's a risky choice for scum to try to edge out a buddy's wagon.

Are you suggesting KMD?

I'm not suggesting anything, and certainly not kmd over elvis, which would be the only 2 people applicable to my comment.

So who are you suggesting?
LF, can you back up that with quotes?

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LlamaFluff: -3 (This was pro-town on Day 1, but Day 2 has been a mess, he's pushed on two people who have claimed, then backed off. At best, he's got a broken scumdar and too much impetus. At worst, he's keniving scum playing outside of his group.

Actually, that seems to fit with self-aligned. Make that a -5, since we know self-aligned is in this game

)

Here is one of the times, I thought there was another but I didnt find it on a skim.

I'm always suspicious of people who seem able to tell SK from mafia. Most town will just lump them together as scum. When a person is able to make a distinction, it makes me think they have extra info (ie, they're scum).

QFT.
Elvis, this also applies to Sks? Or do you use the word "scum" to refer only to "mafia"?

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^ Wolf did do it a lot softer than BA though, BA was pretty hardcore about it, and actively advocated TM over TI, while Wolf seemed a lot more indecisive. I'm just saying it pays to make the distinction.

Oh, also, I just figured out by checking my replacement notes that RF did NOT investigate TM day 1, I can guarantee that.

Are you claiming some kind of investigative role here, Zilla?
And before anyone jumps on me for role-fishing, yes, it is, but I have a damn good pro-town reason for it.

I'll bite. You think Zilla is lying?

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Errr, KOC, I think you are missing a big piece of information.

Zilla - Meg Griffin - Townie - Killed Night one with exploding pants

Or do you mean CC targeted kloud? That could make sense.
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Fluff, why do you believe it? If things are like I think, you thought there should be someone lying between KOC and Zilla. Why didnt you go for any of them?

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TM so why did you suggest KMD?

Big [face_palm] to KoC if CC tracked Zilla.

I agree and I could bet a 100 trillion dollar bill from Zimbabwe that this is what happened. KOC never reads the games.
Im more bothered by LF behaviour after the claim.

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I will comment on this more after Zilla posts, either I am missing something obvious or people are acting irrationally. It could easily be either.

I think reading the thread will help you decide things, LF.

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I too am scared that Llama might have been busing TI. I expect better logic from Llama than all this WIFOM he's been spitting out.

It's like he thinks that everyone who is town MUST have been on the TI wagon and everyone who is scum MUST have been on the TM wagon.

Personally I know that's not true.

...

She investigated somebody on TM's wagon.

Happy now?

If you read RF posts in isolation you can find that there is a big switch between what he thought about LF D1

Llama seems pretty pro-town to me

People that I think are town: Llama, Kmd, forbiddan, populartajo, and I'm starting to get a town read from Zilla as well.

the middle of D1

I'm not sure what to think of Llama. Though I am getting a town read on him, he does seem a little overconfident. I'd encourage the town not to follow him just because he is sure of himself.

and the beginning of D2.

I too am scared that Llama might have been busing TI. I expect better logic from Llama than all this WIFOM he's been spitting out. It's like he thinks that everyone who is town MUST have been on the TI wagon and everyone who is scum MUST have been on the TM wagon. Personally I know that's not true. I feel like he may be trying to get us to buy into that, so he can clear himself while simultaneously putting suspicion on townies. I don't have a lot of logic to back that, but my gut says be weary, so I'm keeping it in mind.

Perfect cop reasoning progression.

Unvote Vote:LF.

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Mmmm. Id say a believable claim from Fluff

if

no one counterclaims. In the prob he is mafia or SK in charge of the kills (we know he does) we may as well control his vigs as a second lynch for the day.

Unvote. Vote: BA

Has lurked since he got lynch pressure.
I might as well go with Poro.

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Sorry for doing this but Im V/LA for two, maybe three days. If I check back it will only prob be for the game Im modding. Thx.

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I was just checking the game Im modding and found myself pretty shocked when I found KMD pushing for my lynch.
KMD what happened with me being town all the game?
What are your thoughts of tubby and AcidFlux?
And do you really think scum would recruit someone like Blakadder? No offense to BA, but really why him?
Also please check your only 2 NKs. I would bet a 100 that RF was targetted twice that night.
Recruiting and 3 NKS is totally ridiculous, imo.
So, why are you doing this?
I have a full response after my V/LA. You have made reconsider my opinion of you.

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I think I have it! Choice of kill/recruit for the FCC!!! Night 2, there were only 2 kills. Blak was lynched day 3. Blak was recruited on Night 2 instead of the FCC submitting a kill. He was lynched Day 3. But why? Townie points! Scum was on Blak's wagon.

There were 2 kills, but the flavor suggests RF was double-killed.

EBWOP

Seriously though, can anyone figure out what is up with TM in 1905 and 1906?

Yeah, what is up with that guy?
(thought I explained it pretty clearly in the end of 1906, they were EBWOPs)

You know, this is the time where you start playing...

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Opinions change. I mostly found you town based on my failed T/D thing. I tried to use something I didn't have enough knowledge about.

So you thought I was town for that weak thing that also pinged Poro as scum? Why did you try it first?

Acid, I think is town right now. Tubby, I haven't decided on. I think he may be scum, but if you are scum, he's probably town.

Why do you think Tubby may be scum and why is he prob town?

BA would be a good recruit so he could be easily bussed the next day for the scum to gain townie points.

How does this make sense? First recruiting scum that can both kill and recruit is totally imbalanced. And if it were true, why would scum prefer to recruit someone so weak to bus rather than almost anyone else?

I'm not seeing where it absolutely HAS to be a double-target on RF.

RestFermata-Stewie Griffin – Baby genius (aka Cop) - beaten

and

sucked dry by vampire kittens night 2
Are you missing the killing methods for some reason?

If the scum can choose between NK/recruit, it could be balanced.

I agree but this is not the case because a five years old kid would realize who scum killed.

Because I think you are scum.

Your theory of me being scum started with the assumption that scum had to be in BA's wagon because they would bus their recruiter. Does this make sense? NO.
And I admit this is not my best participation in mafiascum.net but it is much better than the random actions that you wrote in your previous post.
I think you are prob town and you are a good player, really, but why are you pushing this exactly when AF was rat L-2. Why do you believe AF? Why are you avoiding the obvious NKs results?
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AF, weak claim, there is something that doesnt feel right. But why is he admitting that its weak? You say you dont feel too involved with this game. Why did you pick Zilla, charter and Zoneace?

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AF did I ask you before what was your experience in mafia games?
EK, believe it or not, this is a good point, why AF hasnt claimed flavor?

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Be back in a bit to answer most recent questions. Transiting from work to home.

Mmmmm.

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It would only took him a minute to post his flavor name rather than posting that he targetted Zilla,charter or Zoneace for gut or becuase they were being too active.. (I could swear there were other better options)

Unvote Vote: AF.

Also if AF comes up scum, KMD is very possible scumpartner. You heard it here first.

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KMD, if there is a limitation for recruiting (which would make things balanced if there is a cult), do you think it would have been used in a player like BA only for using him the next day to get townie points by bussing him?

[populartajo]

Bah.

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I thought this would be my first win as scum.
GG Elvis.
GG everyone.
Thx Farside.

[populartajo]

Good game, everyone.
Anyone have any tips for my playstyle after what went on in this game?

Lurk less.
@Llama, actually I was thinking at some period of the game I was thinking in claiming doctor with protection on you.