Open 86 - Lovers Multiball (Game Over)

[ThAdmiral]

vote: alabaska j

- you were scum in the last game i was in!

[ThAdmiral]

I am against the early mass claim. While there are good arguments for and against I feel that a) it is not in the spirit of the game, and b) it is something we can do if and when we need to later.

I think a massclaim later in the game would provide us with more revealing information as scum might be more cautious about how they play if they and their partner are already out in the open from day 1 (for example they may be less inclined to jump on to a bandwagon together etc.).

[ThAdmiral]

Just to make it clear.

vote: no massclaim

(although if we did one I would participate)

[ThAdmiral]

I just hope adels "tell" isn't just some mathematical formula that will wind up getting her lynched.

[ThAdmiral]

I just hope adels "tell" isn't just some mathematical formula that will wind up getting her lynched.

This is a useless one-liner that almost sounds like fishing for the tell..

FoS ThAdmiral

Not fishing. This has happened before in a game we were both in. Her tell was wrong too, I believe.

@ crazy: asking to be kept around for 3-4 days is a bit much.

[ThAdmiral]

did you know that I've won 12 out of 18 games as town since mini 515?

how has your record been since that game?

I actually don't keep track. I'd imagine it would be a bit over 50% just like yours.

By the way, it may not sound like it but I generally like your maths equations and statistics. Unlike (seemingly) most other people.



@crazy: don't like the self vote/talk of suicide. It's bad enough in a normal game, but if you really are town you are dragging down a partner with you.
I also don't like the seeming last ditch effort to get iceman to reveal his tell (post 256).

vote: crazy

[ThAdmiral]

wow, four pages a day.

Don't have time to read but I know I have to...

unvote

vote: crazy

(ugh, games where you have to unvote - although I fully understand as it is a very large game)

[ThAdmiral]

Is iceman supposed to have slipped up, cause I don't see it.

[ThAdmiral]

Oh wait, I see it now.

vote: iceman

[ThAdmiral]

Dammit caught by the unvote trap again.

unvote

vote: iceman

[ThAdmiral]

I want to believe you because I like the way you post and you're saying some good things, but that seemed like a pretty cut-and-dry scum-slip.

Convince me otherwise.

[ThAdmiral]

i.e. about the "you are town" thing

[ThAdmiral]

This lynch has all the hallmarks of a lazy lynch by a town that has closed its mind to other options.

This post has all the hallmarks of scum knowing a townie will be lynched so he can say "told you so" tomorrow.

Almost makes me want to get off the wagon.

[ThAdmiral]

This lynch has all the hallmarks of a lazy lynch by a town that has closed its mind to other options.

This post has all the hallmarks of scum knowing a townie will be lynched so he can say "told you so" tomorrow.

Almost makes me want to get off the wagon.

Don't just talk about it, do it. If you think he's a townie, stop voting for him. All it needs is a few people to jump off and we can really go scumhunting.

Now it looks like you're trying to save a buddy. In which case I might as well leave my vote where it is.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm not liking the "let's set up tomorrow's lynch" talk by a couple of players.

also adel has clearly gone mad with the power she has (or at least thinks she has) over the rest of the town.

[ThAdmiral]

ThAdmiral, is there anything wrong with discussing possible lynch candidates for tomorrow when there is obviously not going to be any alternative to the ice/op lynch today? I see discussion happening, not necessarily the setting up of lynches.

There's a fine line between discussing options and setting up lynches. I don't really think there's any danger of an actual chain-lynch being set up, but it's better to make sure of that by mentioning the possibility, methinks.

[ThAdmiral]

We're one up - we don't need to massclaim just yet.

vote: dybeck

I'm happy to wipe out the werewolves myself.

[ThAdmiral]

Adel wagon = people voting for the person who is speaking the most.

Massclaim = I bet when we do it (cause it seems that we will) lots of people will end up just voting for a pair who was lurking.

[ThAdmiral]

Charter = too pedantic

I will change "the most vocal" to "person who the most people are paying attention to due to what she is saying".

[ThAdmiral]

Charter = too pedantic

I will change "the most vocal" to "person who the most people are paying attention to due to what she is saying".

You can never be too pedantic in a Mafia game. as Adel (?) mentioned earlier on, it's pedanticism and nit-picking that grab those little slip-ups that un-mask scum. Calling someone too pedantic is basically saying "stop looking at my posts!"

And did it occur to you that, despite my faint niggle about Adel that I can't put down to anything but a minor dislike of town-leaders, Adel is actually making more sense than your annoying, worthless and frankly scummy one-liners?

Vote:ThAdmiral

J'accuse!

I think you misunderstand me. I am a fan of adel.
And while you're right about paying close attention, it can also go the other way with making mountains out of molehills.

Also: what Adel wagon? It hit two votes at most so far today. Yesterday, it got a little bigger before the lynch, then shrank nearer to deadline, but it never looked like being a lynching wagon. Why would you feel the need to implya wagon that was never there, other than to defame those few who did vote Adel?

It may have only been two votes but they were in quick succession and they were bad. They were lazy votes at a big target.



*sigh* I guess if everybody wants to claim...

my lover is darla. (She has dazzling eyes by the way)

she's on L/A but says she'll do a big post when she gets back.

[ThAdmiral]

I think you misunderstand me. I am a fan of adel.
And while you're right about paying close attention, it can also go the other way with making mountains out of molehills.

I never said you weren't. I said you were trying to use the two votes on Adel to create a wagon out of a toy car, and use said wagon as evidence against those two voters.

It was more to stop any wagon that may have started.

Adel wagon = people voting for the person who is speaking the most.

See, you've implied a connection between two facts with nothing in the way of actually backing this up.

It seemed obvious to me.

I will change "the most vocal" to "person who the most people are paying attention to due to what she is saying".

So, you think the Adel wagon exists solely because Adel is in the spotlight? Adel was under the spotlight and seemed to slip, so some people voted. I fail to see why this makes it an inherently

bad

wagon.

I think it's bad to go after someone who basically single handedly delivered us scum yesterday. If someone is posting as much as she is obviously they will "slip" and say something not-quite-right eventually. I think it is inherently bad to forget everything else that person has done and just focus on that.

*sigh* I guess if everybody wants to claim...

my lover is darla. (She has dazzling eyes by the way)

she's on L/A but says she'll do a big post when she gets back.

Um, so what if everyone wants to claim? You don't necessarily have to - indeed, if Darla is on L/A, why not wait until you can talk it over with her, and decide whether or not to claim each other? If you really didn't want to claim lover, you could easily have just not done so - with the recent proliferation of claims, you'd probably be outed anyway, assuming no-one is lying.

I said previously that while I was against a mass claim I would do it if the majority wanted it. And as you said my pair would have come out in to the open one way or another.
(although you're right about the talking it over with darla first - she was against the massclaim too, and might be pissed when she gets back! But I reckon she'll be alright with it...)

Until DBE returns, I'm wondering about ThAdmiral and DBE as a pair, actually.
If DBE returns and confirms that, my unease will be assauged, but... I dunno. I can't see much that would link them in posting, really.

I know this was already shut down by cephrir but I would just like to reiterate that this is just ridiculous. There's no point in me lying.

I'm thinking ThAdmiral Scum could maybe have swapped lovers with the other Mafia pair, although I can't imagine why. I'm not accusing on that point, I'd merely be happier to see DBE confirm when her L/A is over.

This makes slightly more sense, but even if I had swapped partners wouldn't darla just back me up anyway?

[ThAdmiral]

RR - it's just an eye, blinking.

It's the blinking part that gets me, the constant movement on the side of the screen is really annoying when I'm trying to read. Maybe it's just me.

It's not just you.

[ThAdmiral]

Still here.

This game is pretty hard to keep up with, but I'm fairly sure I'm happy where my vote is. I don't really think there have been any other cases to get me to turn my head.

Lover! Post more!



(i miss you...)

[ThAdmiral]

I have the feeling the mafia will be able to easily avoid being lynched via the three way tie.

we'll see though.

[ThAdmiral]

Darla, sweety, can you please vote for someone soon?

Preferably kloud.

[ThAdmiral]

Posting this in all my threads. And again I feel really bad for how little I am able to do right now. Gustov forced me to ecacuate, and I will have V/LA for a few days.

I don't want to be replaced but if the mod would like to, please PM me.

I'm so lonely...

REGARDING DAROX:
Very comprehensive daytalk, which means I'm leaning towards believing it.
However the case on cephrir seems a bit like a witch-hunt, and not even a very convincing one.

[ThAdmiral]

Are you ever going to post anything mroe than un-related comments and appeals to emotion?

Knight, here is a select from your rational and so logical posts:

I really don't like Adel
your annoying, worthless and frankly scummy one-liners
unease
I'm not saying he's scummy in any way, other than the fact he's been unhelpful.
doesn't exactly engender confidence
it's more a mixture of gut... and a bone-deep mistrust
It just makes me a little wary
I don't like Adel and pwnz much
slightly lurking
I'm not happy

You are much more liable to emotion and flabby nebulous reasoing than myself. To try and dismiss everything I write as an appeal to emotion is incorrect and

intentionally misleading:

vote: Crazy

This is clearly unrelated comments and appeals to emotion.

vote: harvey

[ThAdmiral]

@ crazy confirmed town: well it's no cop investigation, but it's better than what most have so I'm inclined to give you a free pass for now.

[ThAdmiral]

I'd like to hear more from dbe and thAd

Anything in particular. I'm happy to answer questions by any and all.

@ Harvey: well you shouldn't have done in your post what you were accusing KoC of doing. And quoting people out of context is just plain bad anyway.

[ThAdmiral]

I'd like to hear more from dbe and thAd

Anything in particular. I'm happy to answer questions by any and all.

I don't remember hearing much from you during Day 2, if at all, about your suspicions. Doing a quick look back, you didn't even bother to voice your opinion on the two major wagons, kloud and cerebus, or anyone for that matter. Your vote was on kloud for the majority of Day 2, placing it on dybeck at the start, then it remained there unchanged until deadline. You haven't said anything the entire day that was related, besides telling DBE to vote kloud as well. You were the first to vote dybeck, yet as his wagon slowly built, you've said nothing. Why play so passively?

Day 3, after 5 votes are on HP, you hop on the wagon for his "appeal to emotions", basically parroting what KoC has said previously. What I see in common between your votes is that you wait until others have built up a case, or at least place pressure on someone, before you decide to vote. In the same posts that you place your vote, your reasons for doing so are usually one liners and you don't really go into more detail. All of your votes so far seem extremely opportunistic.

When I have more time, I'll reread Admiral more carefully and some other people.

Vote: ThAdmiral

Your post doesn't sit right with me for a number of reasons.

First of all you seem to have misunderstood my actions:
In reference to my actions yesterday I voted dybeck/cloud for the things that dybeck had done the day before. Everybody else's later cases on kloud only further confirmed in my mind that I had put my vote on the right person. Perhaps I should have said this but I didn't feel the need.
In reference to my vote on Harvey, I voted for him mainly because of his exceptionally bad post in which he displayed hypocrisy (i.e. doing the thing he was accusing someone else of) and also quoted someone out of context, which in my mind is a no-no.

Secondly there are two examples of contradictory stances by yourself:
Firstly you say that I was playing passively on the kloud wagon, but you concede that I tried to get dbe to vote for kloud as well.
You also say that I vote opportunistically but concede that I voted for dybeck at the start of the day. In fact if you look back through the game you will find that I have hardly ever changed my vote off someone when I have placed it, which would indicate I am not just opportunistically putting my vote on whoever I feel.

These problems with your post probably come down to that fact, and you seem to admit this yourself in your last line, that you haven't really read up on my play before voting me.

I'd like to hear more from dbe and thAd

Anything in particular. I'm happy to answer questions by any and all.

ThAd, nothing more specific than what SP wrote, I'd just like to hear from you in general. What your thoughts are so far, who you think is most scummy thus far and why, however the question is more directed for dbe.

Well I'm most suspicious of harvey right now because of his recent play and, it must be said, since he was a member of the surviving couple yesterday. I am less suspicious of darox since his posted daytalk is long and seems pretty real.

It bugs me that TheAdmiral and DBE have posted very little content this whole game. And we shouldn't have to ask them questions; they should provide their opinions without us telling them to.

Unvote
Vote ThAdmiral

I must admit that me and darla have been struggling to keep up with the pace of this game. It is currently the only game I am in at the moment and I have been busy preparing to travel to New York (I live in Melbourne), and working to pay for said trip to New York. I think you all know about Darla's problems.

sometimes the Crazy can see the truth!

Unvote
Vote ThAdmiral

Why do I get the feeling that it brings you great joy to vote me?

[ThAdmiral]

In reference to my vote on Harvey, I voted for him mainly because of his exceptionally bad

post

in which he displayed hypocrisy (i.e. doing the thing he was accusing someone else of) and also quoted someone out of context, which in my mind is a no-no.

Your vote on him is mainly for

one

post of his? You don't care to reflect on any of his other posts?

Do you think HP is mafia or werewolf?

Yes mainly. Also because he was a member of the surviving wagon for yesterday. As I said yesterday the whole even votes thing would probably be exploited by the scum to save who they wanted to so I reckon he is in the team which has the most members left. I.e. mafia.

Secondly there are two examples of contradictory stances by yourself:
Firstly you say that I was playing passively on the kloud wagon, but you concede that I tried to get dbe to vote for kloud as well.

I'm pretty sure I included the adverb,

besides

, when referring to you telling DBE to vote. Only telling your lover to vote doesn't excuse doing nothing for the rest of the day. I don't see what argument you're trying to make here. You're telling DBE to blindly vote with you a couple day before deadline. Yeah, I'm sure that really sealed the case on kloud for everyone else. You didn't bother to give additional reasons for his wagon. You didn't bother saying what you thought of kloud's posts, if it supported your thoughts that dybeck was scum or not. That's not considered passive playing?

I just don't really think I had anything to add to the conversation. Other then state where my suspicions lay.

You also say that I vote opportunistically but concede that I voted for dybeck at the start of the day. In fact if you look back through the game you will find that I have hardly ever changed my vote off someone when I have placed it, which would indicate I am not just opportunistically putting my vote on whoever I feel.

I don't understand what you're trying to show me here. People that you voted were already wagons established by others, besides dybeck. Hopping on a wagon isn't opportunistic? With dybeck, you didn't feel the need to make sure that your vote was in the right place? In hindsight, you probably should've, right?

So you're basing this off the two times I've voted, and one of them doesn't even back up your argument. Good point.

When I say that your vote on dybeck seems opportunistic, it's because during Day 1, when people were questioning dybeck, you only popped in to drop a few comments, which seem would help you determine your decision for the next day. First, you mention that dybeck seemed like scum trying to stay off the wagon of a townie. Then, you go on to say that dybeck seems more like trying to save his scum partner. If ice flipped town, what would you have done? Would you not have went back to your previous position, that dybeck was scum defending a townie?

Probably not, in the same way that you probably would not be voting me right now if Dybeck had turned up scum. Lynch results will always determine what one does and different results generally lead to different outcomes.

These problems with your post probably come down to that fact, and you seem to admit this yourself in your last line, that you haven't really read up on my play before voting me.

I read your posts in isolation without bothering to look back at the context, and went by memory instead. I've read your posts before voting you. It only took 5 minutes, if that.

Well I still think you are misunderstanding me, or at least making wild (and incorrect) assumptions about my intentions.

[ThAdmiral]

Just arrived in ny after a long flight from melbourne australia!

Will post after I've slept etc.

[ThAdmiral]

@ waltwishbone: haven't you ever heard of pressuring someone who is suspicous and seeing how they react?
Also you ask adel why she asks a questions when she knows the answer to it, but doing that is one of the prinicple things lawyers/interrogators do.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm thinking the people that say crazy is "confirmed town" might just be town themselves (even though I don't agree with them). I just don't see why scum would want to narrow down the list of potential lynchees.

[ThAdmiral]

@harvey: have you posted your lover talk? If not know might be a good time.

[ThAdmiral]

@ThAdmiral - That's not a great analogy. Three things; this is not in real time, I have been away for the last 48 hours and could have been hung by the time I returned without a say in the matter. Second, a defendent does not have the right to question his prosecuter for the same crime in a court of law. Lastly, a response may also contain the same tone or redundancy in order to ellciit a reaction as someone who asked the question in the first place. Get it yet?

Taking the analogy a bit too seriously.

TO ALL: I don't know where darla is either. I would also like her to post more. However - I don't really see why this makes us seem scummy. Why does more active = town? I'm trying to get on and talk as much as possible, but I am also trying to enjoy my holiday in new york - hence you may not get as much out of me as other people.

[ThAdmiral]

TO ALL: I don't know where darla is either. I would also like her to post more. However - I don't really see why this makes us seem scummy. Why does more active = town? I'm trying to get on and talk as much as possible, but I am also trying to enjoy my holiday in new york - hence you may not get as much out of me as other people.

It's not entirely based on just activity that makes you two scummy. Even though she is V/LA, she can still read, right? She has done almost zero scumhunting. With her last two votes (for iceman and HP, she didn't vote Day 2), both times, she said she had a longer post, but the site had an error and it disappeared. With no follow up, it's basically placing a vote with no reason at all. I would even buy "I'm just following my lover" than the excuse she has given. I would still like to hear her reasons for her votes, but I'm guessing she'll say something like she forgot.

To be fair I think she has said that.

I'm going to look at how all the lynch wagons started over the course of the game, and see if I can glean anything from it.

[ThAdmiral]

Final Vote Analysis

I've made this as neutral as possible so I haven't towned myself etc.
Also this is mainly for others to use, and I plan to do a few of these, so there wont be much analysis until the very end.

.::] Final Day 1 Vote Count [::.

Crazy (4)

-

icemanE

,

Harvey Pew

,

orangepenguin

, OpposedForce

charter (1)

- farside22

orangepenguin

(3)

- neko2086,

cerebus3

, SleepyPanda

somestrangeflea (1)

-

kloud1516

*

IcemanE

(9)

- Cephrir, Erratus Apathos, WaltWishbone, somestrangeflea, sekinj, Crazy, ThAdmiral, charter, Raging Rabbit

DarlaBlueEyes (2)

- Adel, pwnz

Adel (1)

-

Alabaska J

Not Voting (3) - armlx, wolframnhart, DarlaBlueEyes

.::] Final Day 2 Vote Count [::.

OpposedForce (1)

- Crazy
*

kloud1516

(8)

- ThAdmiral, Erratus Apathos, Cephrir, armlx, WaltWishbone, Adel, Darox, charter

cerebus3

(7)

- SleepyPanda, Raging Rabbit, sekinj, Knight of Cydonia, neko2086, Battle Mage,

Alabaska J

Crazy (1)

- OpposedForce

Knight of Cydonia (1)

- pwnz
Not Voting (4) - DarlaBlueEyes,

cerebus3

,

kloud1516

,

Harvey Pew

.::] Final Day 3 Vote Count [::.

*

Harvey Pew

(8)

- armlx, neko2086, sekinj, ThAdmiral, DarlaBlueEyes, Raging Rabbit, Knight of Cydonia, Cephrir

Crazy (2)

- Battle Mage,

Harvey Pew

ThAdmiral (2)

- SleepyPanda, Crazy

Darox (1)

- charter

Raging Rabbit (2)

- Adel, Toaster Strudel
Not Voting (5) - starrie,

ace1217

, WaltWishbone, Darox, ClockworkRuse


People on a bandwagon on all three days (i.e. including the iceman werewolf wagon):
- Thadmiral
- Cephrir
- Sekinj
- Raging Rabbit
These people are more likely scum, but less likely werewolves

People on a bandwagon of a town for last two days (including cerberus day 2):
- Thadmiral
- Cephrir
- Armlx
- Neko2086
- Sekinj
- Raging Rabbit
- Knight of Cydonia
Sekinj/Neko is the only team to have bandwagoned both days. I'm not sure if this makes them more scum or less scum given that it just means that they agree with each other.

In my next episode I will look into how the teams have voted...

[ThAdmiral]

I said I would do all my main analysis at the end. Judge me then.

[ThAdmiral]

Hey everyone!

Vote all should post daytalk.

Haven't been able to get on recently as I was attending the new york television festival (an independant festival thing) and my show won best writing! WooT! So I've been partying and stuff, and to be honest am drunk now. Will post content when sober...

[ThAdmiral]

So just to clear it up that is from most recent to earliest.

[ThAdmiral]

Once again, sorry to everyone. After new york I travelled down to stay with my grandparents in florida AND THEY DON"T HAVE INTERNET!!! Seriously come one, how do they survive.

I'm at the library at the moment and am trying to frantically read up. To be honest I am buying charter's behavior. I know how frustrating it can get when your town and are going to be lynched so unless he's acting really well I think he might be town.

Will try to get to the library more often in the following days.

[ThAdmiral]

I actually think alerting the mod is a more scummy thing to do.

unvote

(if I was voting),

vote: crazy

[ThAdmiral]

I suppose it was about time I got a new partner. But I'll never forget those nights I had with darla...

In other news we definately need everybody's day talk. The only way the system works is if everybody gets the same treatment.

[ThAdmiral]

I actually don't think charter/ceph are scum. I always thought ceph was pretty townish, and on a number of occasions there have been attacks on him that seemed out of nowhere. Charter's recent actions made me think he might be a frustrated townie, but I suppose he could also be scum who is just giving up.

I definately think bm/cw should post daytalk. Although I'm not sure it is necessarily something scum would do to hold back on revealing it. If they wanted to remain out of the spotlight it would make more sense to fabricate it.

[ThAdmiral]

I'll always welcome darla back, but I believe she is gone for good.

BM's daytalk is sparse, but then again so is mine so who am I to judge.

[ThAdmiral]

crazy pointed out to the mod that toaster strudel had broken the rules, leading to his death.
That and the fact that everyone keeps saying he's confirmed town, when he's not.

[ThAdmiral]

I don't think Crazy is confirmed, but I think he's probably town. Do you seriously think the above is the best case out there?

To be honest no. But I don't really like the other two options either.

[ThAdmiral]

I don't think Crazy is confirmed, but I think he's probably town. Do you seriously think the above is the best case out there?

To be honest no. But I don't really like the other two options either.

Why not?
Why is it a scumtell that everyone thinks Crazy's town, are you saying we're

all

his partners? Do you really think he deserves to be lynched for alerting the mod on foul play?

I think I've already explained it in other posts but:
- Against charter wagon because I think his reactions to his wagon were what a frustrated townie would do.
- Against BM wagon because I think not submitting his daytalk is a null tell since it wouldn't be in the best interests of scum or town.

The fact that lots of people think crazy is confirmed town is just suspicious to me, especially since I don't see it. The most dangerous thing scum can have is someone who is seen as confirmed.

Also I do think pointing out the rule break to the mod was a low act, and possibly scummy since it killed off the two people I trusted most in this game (and who were also quite active).

I suggest, ThAd, you find a case with some actual evidence behind it.

I'm so keeping my vote where it is just because you said that.

[ThAdmiral]

Also I do think pointing out the rule break to the mod was a low act, and possibly scummy since it killed off the two people I trusted most in this game (and who were also quite active).

Again, just because they turned town doesn't mean they should have been left alone. A rule-break is a rule break, and Crazy did nothing wrong by pointing it out - as a Mod, I'd be grateful if someone did that for me. And saying Crazy only did it because you trusted them is a pile of crap - we would have done the same regardless of our opinion on the matter.

I'm not suggesting he did it to spite me. I'm just saying it was a shit thing to do. Which it was.

@crazy: I agree that we should test the theory, although admit that you picked battle mage because he already has a pile of votes on him.

vote: battle mage

that's why I'm doing it.

[ThAdmiral]

unvote, vote: bm

[ThAdmiral]

vote: sekinj

This is not a joke vote

[ThAdmiral]

No, just one based on something the mod has already debunked - policy lynch ftl.

I believe the mod was just saying that in order to save the game. In any case it will prove or disprove the theory once and for all.

[ThAdmiral]

The sekinj case may not be solid, but it's as good as any I've seen in mafia, and better than most. If the timestamp theory is correct it could basically end this game...which is unfortunate but I'd rather win than lose by playing "in the spirit of the game".

[ThAdmiral]

ThAd was just as useless then as he is now, I'm franktly surprised he's lurked his way to day 6 with such relative ease.

A. I'm good at it
B. To be fair I was on vacation for a large period of the game with limited internet access.

[ThAdmiral]

That seems more like a ploy to stay alive since armlx/sp already have their votes on you while sekinj/neko didn't and could have simply voted for you to break the tie.

Am I right?

[ThAdmiral]

looks like you got lucky today sekinj.

since armlx/sp have a different time as well I guess it still will help prove or disprove the theory.

unvote, vote: sleepypanda

[ThAdmiral]

This is actually quite sad. Opinions are extremely important, so what if we throw our opinions out there? That's how mafia is played.

This seems like something scum would say so they can form a case on nothing but opinions. This is only my opinion, but hopefully if I repeat it enough, it will eventually convince everyone else. Let's all vote charter because of this.

Opinions alone do nothing. Opinions supported by facts, combined to form a case is different.

I had a feeling that nek/sekinj were scum. Is that alone enough to vote them? If you say yes here, that is sad.

This is a weak argument, and frankly sounds a bit desperate.

[ThAdmiral]

As long as we lynch one of sekin/neko or armlx/panda I'm fine. It would be stupid in my opinion to not test the timestamp theory, especially when people also agree that these couples have been scummy as well.

[ThAdmiral]

Well it's still would give us a good indication and it's a damn sight better than a charter lynch (although that would also go a way towards proving it as well as townie = normal timestamp).

[ThAdmiral]

vote: SleepyPanda

good to have you back

[ThAdmiral]

Because apparently we're not playing Mafia, we're playing TimeStamp.

Timestamp is a sweet game.

DarlaBlueEyes hasn't posted in over 48 hours and will be replaced. =/

Such a long time coming!

I'll be away for the next two days. See ya laterz!!11

[ThAdmiral]

I knew it!!!!

I love timestamp

tm

!!!

vote: sekinj

[ThAdmiral]

Post the day talk.

I was pretty happy to fly under the radar to victory. I was also on every scum wagon!

[ThAdmiral]

After all the pairs came out in to the open I didn't think the daytalking was as useful.