Choose Carefully Mafia: (Game Over)

[Santos]

/confirm

[Santos]

Vote: CarnCarn

to add a little pressure.

[Santos]

Vote Santos Ordered by the disguised guys of his avatar who aimed their vote gun at me.

They are women.

[Santos]

Vote: Gun

[Santos]

I am pretty sure I voted for gun.

Fixed.

[Santos]

Unvote: CarnCarn

Unvote: Gun

[Santos]

Also, the vote count has some discrepancies. ex: BattleMage is not voting when he clearly is voting for me.

[Santos]

*edit

my bad...missed the 'lynch method'.

Redacted.

[Santos]

So what are you getting from that?

[Santos]

sorry

[q]This is 'why Santos'. [/q]
What are you getting from that?

[Santos]

Vote: Moses le fou

I am not going to vote for a rope or gun at the moment because now it just seems to mess with other player's abilities to find scummy tells when they have become much too reliant on these abrasive lynch methods.

[Santos]

[q]This, I don't like. The Gun/Rope vote is very linked to people possibly being scum. Avoiding it = bad. [/q]
How do you get this? I'm just being honest. Why should I vote for something when people are just going to point the finger at me? At least have a reason to FoS me if you're just going to say, "Hey, look at that apple among the apples in that barrel! I'm going to choose this one for the hell of it!"
Basically, why is my vote/unvote more suspicious than others who have voted or unvoted the same material? Since the day is not ending soon, why do I need to be immediately hasty and appease everyone with a vote that doesn't matter at the moment? We have time to make up for that.

Also, I want to make a collaborative effort and make sure there is a good reason to have a vote for whatever particular lynch method; that would be working together to find scum this day and then deciding on a method, or am I shooting blanks with this logic?

Can we make a list of priorities?

1) Lets hold off methods until we decide to lynch someone.
2) Lets pick a method and have a good reason to choose just that method.
3) Lets pick a method and someone to vote for immediately.

Option 3 just seems too hasty, IMO. The other two are satisfactory, and perhaps more preferable.

As for my 'bandwagon' vote I didn't want to be redundant in saying 'to add some pressure'.

[Santos]

Unvote: Moses le fou

.

I can't help myself. The claim for having a mason and NOT knowing the other mason's alignment bugs me. Is there more we can break from this? Obviously the plain fact that they're masons we would naturally assume they would both be town aligned, but adding in the fact that they do not know each other's alignment makes me a lot more skeptical. I mean, what good is having this ability? EX: If I were in CarnCarn/armlx's shoes why not just talk in the game thread to each other?

Basically, what are the pros and cons of this claim?

[Santos]

Just thought I would also throw it out there...

I have been examining Riceballtail's play and I am impressed with his performance. I'm not sure whether I want to follow it or not. There is nothing ambiguous at all in his posting skills. Its either a very good scum poster, or a very careful power role. I aspire to play this way :p

[Santos]

Yes, I mean this game.

The ability appears worthless; albeit I believe the claim entirely.

[Santos]

RE: Riceballtail

Because its good play, but not entirely dismissible as pro town or scummy. So, with that being said, I will watch carefully.

[Santos]

I'm down with the Santos wagon. The last 4 posts have been buddying, going from poking suspicion at my/CC's role to "believing it entirely", and distancing from a wagon.

Maybe because I have a very similar role to what you two have claimed. Though, in this case, I do not advise my 'mason' to announce it now.[/quote]

[Santos]

Where did I not believe you?

[Santos]

Santos, if that is indeed your role, step up. In that case its pretty much confirmed due to set up symmetry being cool that one of each group is scum.

Did you 'Choose Carefully' in saying that or did you just completely hop the fence and come to that conclusion?

[Santos]

Define: 'Scummy'

And how I have acted as so.

[Santos]

What are we attaining from this 'mod is wrong' thing?

Also, no one addressed my question.

[Santos]

Please enlighten me

[Santos]

1) If Santos isn't scum, this all doesn't matter.

So you're still happy to lynch me without having a thoughtful accusation? I need discourse and a cookie!

[Santos]

why are you

begging

for my mason to come out?

[Santos]

STD, I don't think the order really matters that much because if we lynch a scum immune to the method, then it will be obvious. Unless it becomes clear that someone is scum of a definate group, I don't see how it matters which order we settle on method and player.

This is about the most legitimate and concrete thing I have seen this entire thread.

[Santos]

Are you or are you not also an unconfirmed mason?

I'm happy to answer because I have no problem answering whatever you have to inquire about:

I am a mason as described by you two people earlier, but why should I ask for him to come out? Yes, at this juncture it means I am unconfirmed, but why the hell should I appease just you that is hammering me most about it?

[Santos]

Well...

I'm glad we can all agree to disagree.

[Santos]

Santos, can you definately say that you don't know the alignment of your mason buddy and that they don't know yours? If this is the case, I don't see any reason to reveal any more information right now.

I can definitely say that we do not know each others' alignment. Furthermore, I have not even contacted said mason yet because it is not night, obviously; and I have no idea what we would talk about anyway.

[Santos]

And that's really being nitpicky, IMO, Save the Dragons, but that is what is nice about having our own opinions I guess.

[Santos]

'Neighbor'

[Santos]

Save the Dragon, I said nitpicky because I had already explained everything I can. Unless you know something more? Enlighten me please.

[Santos]

Really? Because there are a lot of ambiguities I have not seen answered.

Yes, and one in particular is how hasty people are to get vote happy when certain things have not been discussed to the fullest.
ex: Someone mentioned how a scum would avoid a particular lynch method, or WIFOM vote for their lynch method that is sure to kill them. Right? Wasn't this brought up? Well, did anyone ask if scum REALLY know what it is that they would be more susceptible to? If there are different lynch methods, then why would scum be privy to such information beforehand in a voting scheme? Answer that one and you get a million ducks!

Why did you vote Moses, citing as your evidence for voting him a bandwagon/pressure vote, when Moses had no votes at the time, and you didn't give any reason for wanting to pressure Moses?

As I recall, I was the SECOND vote on Moses and it was purely random, again, but I mentioned I didn't want to sound redundant later because it would appear scummy. But if someone throws in their little tid-bit about 'WIFOM'

someone

my get nitpicky and have a hay-day with it.

Why did you unvote him after nothing had happened?

No particular reason. I just wanted to mention Riceballtail's ability to stay behind the scenes and at the same time be omnipresent throughout the thread...its either a good scum tactic, or a strong pro town power role being conservative...you take your pick.

Why did you arbitrarily commend RBT's play when it has not been all the great in the opinions of other players? Why RBT specifically, why at the time, what specifically (i.e. examples) about his play has been good?

Read above.

Why do you ask me for discourse when you don't provide it yourself? Why do you accuse me of lynching you with no evidence when you claim that I have said stuff (but it's already been explained)?

What did I need to provide to anyone when I was asking the questions that no one seemed to be answering (I'm talking to the people who have votes on me).
So far, Your evidence against me is that I
1) random vote
2) unvote a lynch method
3) mention a player's playing abilities
4) hammer me for my mason partner when its purely not even needed
5) Ask me for a specific role in which I was PMed and I ANSWERED
6) And still think I have not answered anything to the fullest.

I'm here. I've answered questions. I don't believe I deserve so many votes. The only people who have constantly badgered me for information are armlx and Save the Dragons...the other voters on my person have not said a word! Whats the deal?

The claim for having a mason and NOT knowing the other mason's alignment bugs me.

Yes, I mentioned this because I was not going to jump right in and say 'OMG I HAVE THE SAME ROLE' I wanted to test the water with the people who claimed to have the same ability I did. Why can I not do this? If armlx and CarnCarn ARE really masons, why not speculate about the ability to see if its true what they are saying? That's what you guys seem to have done to me, no; speculating as to whether I am lying or not?

Your role PM better say that your buddy is confirmed, or I'm probably not taking my vote off you. I'm not really sure how you can be bugged by someone having your own role.

It doesn't have to appeal to you. It is strict in the fact that I am a 'neighbor' and my mason's alignment is unknown. If you're going to make up other things about my role email, then you might as well throw an 'OMGUS' at me as well! :p

This really bothers me in context of things you've you said.

Read above...I've explained it that I was merely speculating because I thought it strange that multiple mason groups would exist...wouldn't you be a tad suspicious seeing this (mason partners, alignment unknown, restricted to night talking)? It seemed to much of a coincidence right? But maybe there are multiple mason groups...maybe there aren't. All I can say is that I believe armlx and CarnCarn.

I agree with armlx here. Now that Santos has already 'revealed' that he's a mason, he already has a higher chance of being NK'ed. If there isn't a third mason it doesn't matter if Santos reveals or doesn't reveal his partner as Santos can get NK'ed and his partner changes in a normal townie.
I would like to know who his partner is. If his partner can confirm that they are masons, then we at least know there's another mason group. Now there's still a chance of him lying.

IMO, this seems to demand a lot more than you need to know, especially since you think I should be NK'd. And where do you get the idea of 'confirmations'? As I see it, there are TWO mason groups claimed on the table...myself and CarnCarn/armlx...right? (thinking about it...i may have armlx mentioned, but it could be someone else...i don't remember who CarnCarn said was his mason). Anways, couldn't it be possible that a Sicilian might be a mason with a townie and a Corsican might be a mason with another townie? So how does lynching me confirm anything of my mason partner? All that would do is either:

A) Prove that my other mason partner is scum when I am revealed townie
B) Prove nothing at all that my other mason is scum because he could be townie as well. The whole predicament is whether we need to 'Choose Carefully' IN OUR ASSUMPTIONS!

I have a feel that because Santos's partner hasn't stepped up, he is probably just scum and no buddy wants to be linked like that.

This makes a good point. So I will mentioned his name for my own sake (hopefully) and for your sake if you're going to lynch me and go into the night knowing that you lynched me, but never got my mason's name. (oEJo)

I want this over with as this is only distracting.

I believe you are just being a hasty scum, amirite?

Not to mention that he hasn't answered any of the other questions that have been posed to him.

Let me know if I missed any.

[Santos]

Since I'm town, Santos is scum due do that reasoning.

ORLY? I'm glad it took much speculation to come to that conclusion. Just know that you will be looked at closely the next day, if not the night.

FoS: oEJo

Vote: Rope

. Why, now? Well, CarnCarn brought up a pretty solid point making me think that its plain jane mafia now...

Rope lynches scum, gun kills townies. Why would it be the other way around?

[Santos]

I don't get how you know that: 'Gun kills Corsicans, Rope kills Sicilians. '

[Santos]

that sucks.

[Santos]

Sure. If that's what you think when you touch yourself at night :p

[Santos]

Well, I am glad someone read and answered my long post, thank you Save the Dragon...I actually think more highly of you because I had retrospectively thought I brought up some good points regarding my role and the game mechanics.

If he were scum and he believed this, then if/when I am lynched and flip town, then he would be an obvious target. However, since I know I'm town and that armlx would only say what he said if he were town, I'm thinking we are a town-town mason pair.

So why is oEJo off the list as a scum bandwagoner? He didn't have much to say and what he said is in no way concrete evidence that I am scum!

[Santos]

Can someone remind me what was the role name of CC and armlx? I looked through the thread and couldn't find it.

I don't recall them saying either.

Odd, considering I am the only one to claim 'Neighbor', right? It seems my lynch party ignored this claim and gave me no leniency...

[Santos]

I have spoken only the truth.

[Santos]

I would vote for myself if I was scum. Put that in your pipe and smoke it :p

[Santos]

so you believe oEJo and I are the S1 and S2 group while armlx and CarnCarn are the T1 and T2? How the hell can you prove this as well as prove me scum? I would like to know that.

[Santos]

Vote: Rope

located at 323.

[Santos]

I also don't understand why my cooperation with everyone who asked me anything makes me scum. I am pretty sure I participated in everything that was asked of me (except maybe some minor details, which if you don't mind pointing out to me, I wouldn't mind answering).

Other than that, I seriously don't understand where you guys have concrete information fingering me as scum.

[Santos]

I explained my logic about the game mechanics right after that post,

sir

.

So if you're going to lynch a townie, you might as well do it with a rope. That is the only dignified way I can go down. (Now you might think 'OMG, he is using reverse psychology because he is really a scum trying to get us to not use his REAL method!)

Whatever, as Kimbo Slice once said, "It is what it is."

[Santos]

Actually, your co-operation is the one scummy thing you have done in my mind. I'm still waiting to hear what the others have.

This pertains no logic whatsoever, IMO, because I could have not cooperated at all and other people would have considered me scummy.

[Santos]

Those

people don't seem to care. I am here waiting for something more.

[Santos]

Zazier, christiano drago and ZTR...why are you voting me?

[Santos]

I just can't believe oEJo was so quick to put me on the stocks...I mean, why not try chatting one night with each other at all? How can he assume such simple logic that I am scum without referring to anything else?

[Santos]

(Santos voted rope, mod said gun, santos said no rope)

No. I voted for gun as a lynch method in the beginning. The mod did not count my vote when he made the next vote count, so I informed him of this. Later, I unvoted everything because people thought I was too hasty or starting bandwagons, when in fact, I was not. I 'added pressure' but nothing else. Since random votes started I jumped on to get the ball rolling...and it seems that is why I am most scummy, but as I recall DAY 1's start. like. this.

Eventually, after following CarnCarn's logic about the game mechanics, I chose 'rope' because I figure since I am townie I might as well be lynched with a rope instead of being shot with a gun. So I voted rope.

Now, no one is giving me the benefit of a doubt that I am not scum and are just fine with lynching me based on simple day one mechanics of pressuring and bandwagons. There are no discrepancies I have made unless someone can point them out to which I can better explain them (although I have multiple times :/ )

[Santos]

no one

Correction = 'some' as not everyone thinks I am scum.

[Santos]

Corsicans lynched by one method as opposed to the Sicilians being lynched by another. So I voted for rope because if you're going to lynch a townie, I might as well vote for how a townie should properly die: lynch.

[Santos]

So you're saying that you've been running around in circles for the sake of write-up flavor?

Yes. What is the point of 'write-up flavor' if its not going to be of any use in the analysation of the game mechanics and player's posting styles?

[Santos]

Christiano, you want my place? Its not too difficult :p[/joke]

[Santos]

oEJo, can you elaborate on how I am scum again?

[Santos]

If you honestly believe I am scum, then tell me which lynch method to vote for and I promise I will do it. What do YOU have to lose? I already know I'm lost.

[Santos]

Unvote: Rope

, TBD.

[Santos]

Hmm, I'm not convinced on this plan. Why?

Oh, because its my neck in the noose (or gun to the head) at this point!

[Santos]

I still maintain that I was the first mason to role claim 'Neighbor' and no one paid attention to that.

Save the Dragons, its too confusing to read what you thought of my statements, especially when they're not in chronological order. Wouldn't that make more sense in explaining the case against me chronologically instead of pulling my quotes and placing them in your explanation of how I am scummy? It comes off rather as an opinion as opposed to evidence, no?

[Santos]

I still maintain that I was the first mason to role claim 'Neighbor' and no one paid attention to that.

Lol, I guess this doesn't really matter that I did that because you'll say 'scum could know that too.'

Santos - FAIL :p

[Santos]

Huh.

[Santos]

why are you guys discussing something I already explained? They claimed to be uninformed masons so i wanted to speculate more on that before I claimed. Whats so hard to believe about that?

[Santos]

Yes. Have I claimed otherwise?

[Santos]

It does. He argues it then, comes back later saying he didn't want to counter claim. I feel as town you would consider it more likely given the unconfirmed nature of the role for there to be multiples.

In my defense, before this game started, I figured one mason group is a decent call in a game this size. When you guys claimed mason I thought it kind of a coincidence that it sounds just like my role! After testing the water and trying to get more from your guy's situation I figured if I claimed at the right time it would make sense that I am not lying about anything I have to say. I am town. I am a 'neighbor' and am able to talk at night via PM with oEJo. There is nothing between those lines except that I don't know the alignment of my mason. Although I have already disproved that me saying 'neighbor' first kind of contradicts itself, I still maintain that I was the first of these 3 claimed masons to actually come forth with an actual role name.

[Santos]

I swear, no matter what game it is I play in, if I am a regular townie, I am always a terrible player. I know how to be conservative otherwise :p

[Santos]

Unvote: whoever

Unvote: Rope

Vote: Save the Dragons

Vote: Gun

I

really

like how someone finally compiled some evidence against this guy; not to mention it makes loads of sense now that he was leading the town to get me lynched.

[Santos]

Is 'Neighbor' spelled differently in other parts of the world? Why 'Neighbour'?

[Santos]

Sorry, I'm English. :p

[Santos]

I thought I was actually following your lead, CarnCarn. I have no explanation except to say that I am glad someone focused on someone who was trying to lead the town which is either what a scum falls into doing, or a vanilla townie will do. Power roles usually stay dormant or lurk like a mafia godfather.

[Santos]

Carn?

[Santos]

Well, Save the Dragons has seemed the most hostile towards me out of anyone, but it will probably be argued that its just an 'OMGUS' vote. However, he seemed to be leading most people to getting me lynched quick, fast and in a hurry. When CarnCarn made his points earlier, I agreed with those and probably will not change my vote at this time.

He goes back to me because he loves me so much.

Its comments like these that are pretty much waaaaay too ambiguous to ever know if he is a scum flirting with other players cutely, or a power role doing the same thing. He is definitely worth some paying attention to, IMO.

[Santos]

oh noes, i can't impress you!

[Santos]

Why exactly are you following CarnCarn's lead?

Well, after the fact that a third mason came out before my lynch I felt his notice of a town leader was sufficient enough because that person was pushing the most for me to be lynched.

[Santos]

Save the Dragons just sounds really annoyed that I am not dead yet. What could be more suspect?

[Santos]

I missed it. What did Socio do?

[Santos]

For what it's worth, I'm annoyed by your continued survival.

So you've just been ready to lynch like something 15 pages ago, amirite? :p

But that's partially because I think night actions would shed some light onto what's going on.

Well, I believe you're right, but what about speculating on what can ALSO happen at night? -
Does anyone want to fathom the odds that the Sicilians and Corsicans will be hacking each other up tonight as well as town players? Is it possible to work out some percentage factors there since we have already cranked the numbers on the hypotheticals regarding the mason groups?

[Santos]

ty

[Santos]

FoS: Socio

, until he explains why.

[Santos]

'You are a Neighbor, your neighbor is (oEJo), each night you may talk to him. You do not know what alignment he is, only that you can talk to him. During the day, you vote on who you think is a member of the one of the Mafia and whether the lynch should be by rope or by gun. You win when all the Sicilians and Corsicans are dead.'

[Santos]

yeah, didn't see the 'don't quote PMs' in there either.

[Santos]

lame.

[Santos]

What has been decided on the symmetry theory? I don't trust it, but I wouldn't want to ignore it either. Its really hard to decide. The only thing that really put me off was oEJo's lack of effort to explain his vote, but that has already been discussed and I'm over that issue. Ah well.

[Santos]

I believe almost half would be. There are definitely enough claims to support the majority having 'neighbors'.

[Santos]

Unvote: Gun

oEJo will not hammer himself because he maintains he is town, right?

[Santos]

Idea: Cop investigates oEJo tonight and if he is NOT scum, then we move on. If he is scum, then we lynch him tomorrow?

Thoughts----

[Santos]

Yeah, I'm not sure.

[Santos]

Not a plan; an idea.

[Santos]

omg fos :p

[Santos]

There are a lot of good points made about the scummy style of posting by those few individuals, but I still question Save the Dragons' allegiance for leading the lynch party earlier as 'he was annoyed that you

was not dead, yet'.

And stemming from yesterday:

Vote: Gun
Vote: oEJo

Based on the odds that he is more likely to be scum than town.

[Santos]

fix.

'[he]I'm annoyed that you are not dead, yet'.

[Santos]

Didn't oEJo's character laugh at us for trying to lynch him by the rope?

[Santos]

Since STD disappeared, I will wait for Detspeed to catch up and answer the previously asked questions directed at Save the Dragons.

[Santos]

I am going to choose to

Vote: Detspeed

at the moment because his (Save the Dragons') past actions led me to.

How can we deduce that the rope is the right method?

[Santos]

Santos II needs a prod for four days as well. And that's it.

Also, I will be V/LA until Tuesday night because I am going out of town.

MOD, please prepare yourself for a future prod when Kairyuu is not going to post for the matter of 2 days from now; I know its a lot of time to give him, but we may be lenient later

.

[Santos]

[/blatant sarcasm]

[Santos]

So hp leaves is on the suspicious list now because he asked for information that everyone should essentially already know?

[Santos]

Before I signed up here I never thought there would be so much inactivity...its rampant!

[Santos]

Given that you have voiced absolutely no suspicions of your own since replacing, and even went so far as to quasi-defend oEJo until he resisted the D1 lynch, only voting him once it was 100% guarenteed that he would be lynched, I have reason to believe that you are scum. Specifically, that you are (ironically) oEJo's scumbuddy.

Where did I 'defend' oEJo? Quote please.
How could I be his scum buddy when my original 'Santos I' role was Vanilla Townie?
As it seems right now you are fishing for something, but I don't quite know what you are trying to attain other than trying to implicate something about my new role. You had pointed out my comment about my Vanilla Town play as opposed to how I would play as any other given role. So what?

In this case I was more wondering why there are not more than 2 vanillas.

And these people would be?

And Kairyuu brings up a good point: Why were you suggesting we not lynch oEJo?

Why were you so eager to lynch a townie? (Yes, I was modkilled, but the rules in this game thread didn't specify I couldn't quote my role; the 'mafiascum.net' rules said players typically aren't allowed to quote their role emails, which I didn't know were relevant to this game that didn't mention those specific rules, so my bad. Curse it all! )
Oh and to answer your question in reference to Kairyuu's question: Kairyuu needs to quote what I have said so I may reference it directly so there is no ambiguity about my position regarding oEJo, because I believed he was scum ever since his first post in regards to our affiliation with our roles. His wreaked scum.

[Santos]

Apparently people don't realize I was taking the role of TWO different roles.

1) I was lynched as a townie
2) Now you're saying that I'm scum

Where is your proof? You keep showing me quotes from when I was 'Santos I' not Santos II. Hello?

[Santos]

edit: dammit, sorry. I was MODKILLED as a townie, and everyone lynched oEJo.

Also, to answer the investigation suggestion: I was not trying to have the cop outed. If the cop found oEJo to be innocent, then they would not have to reveal them self the next day. I thought that is what I wrote because that was what intention I had. WHY THE HELL WOULD I BE THAT RETARDED OF A SCUM PLAYER TO ASK THE COP TO DO THAT AND REVEAL THEIR POSITION? You've got to be kidding me, Kairyuu, that's just ludicrous!

And why the hell would I defend the guy who wanted me lynched the entirety of Day 1 when i come back with a new role? This makes no sense.

[Santos]

Uhhh, thats completely irrelevant. Way to just completely OMGUS pre-answering question, then not answer.

Uhhh, what is irrelevant? Did I not explain why I could not answer until Kairyuu could quote me on what I said?

[Santos]

Also, could someone define 'OMGUS' for me? Why is this used so much, especially when I thought voting right back at someone seemed more for an 'OMGUS' as opposed to a mention that people were so lynch happy before Santos I was modkilled?

[Santos]

What is the focal point of your accusation against me,armlx? Where is it that its acceptable to apply a vote on my person?

[Santos]

I still fail to realize what the deal is. Armlx is pulling the 'cop' card, Kairyuu says I'm freaking out, and Moses wants to clear my name. Where's the consistency in the accusations as opposed to the inconsistency you claim to see in my posts?

[Santos]

Accusations for one person should typically be congruent if a person is going to be lynched today. Why do you think I haven't voted for anyone yet? We have several players on the board, but nothing concrete or consistent in the accusations. Where is the median?

[Santos]

I'm a 'proof' guy, armlx. What do you have?

[Santos]

Idea: Cop investigates oEJo tonight and if he is NOT scum, then we move on. If he is scum, then we lynch him tomorrow?

Thoughts----

Well, I did ask for 'thoughts', but no one gave me their thoughts. Accusations just started flying that I was scum. I figured oEJo deserved a benefit of a doubt because I thought it would be inappropriate to come back as another role and have a personal vendetta against him. I was trying to be fair, but that ended up biting me in the butt.

What would you do with your new role when you came back? Would you attack oEJo immediately for how he was against you the whole time or try to get a new angle on what his strategy was for his earlier actions and non-cooperation as a neighbor?

[Santos]

Unvote, Unvote
Vote: Detspeed
Vote: Rope

Freebies are great. Bye bye scum!

[Santos]

Of course someone would kill Kairyuu because he and I were having the largest discussion against each other the other day. Sheesh, I have no chance at staking my claim because everyone will be on Kairyuu's side since he is now a confirmed townie.

[Santos]

Unvote, unvote

Vote: Rope
Vote: ZTR

Or a vanilla townie who doesn't want to waste his time fighting an already decided lynch party. But more likely mafia.

[Santos]

So is this a 'pity me because I lurk' or what? So what that the townie role is listed in the OP. If you want to keep playing, then defend yourself with a passion!

[Santos]

Unvote, unvote

.

I would like to hear from the others.

[Santos]

inform me of that acronym.

[Santos]

Just to let the mod and everyone know I will be traveling home and won't have computer access for a day or so.

Cheers.

[Santos]

What is 'popcorn'? Is that like in elementary school when we 'popcorn' (choose) player x?

[Santos]

I am a

Mafia Goon

, but I am not telling you which one

I choose

CarnCarn

to claim next.

[Santos]

I think the Mafia will win this game

[Santos]

lol

[Santos]

popcorn?

[Santos]

I don't understand how the town can win.

Hypothetically, if another townie is killed wouldn't the 2 mafias eventually hold majority? Or does one mafia or the other have to kill the other if say only one townie, one Corsican and one Sicilian are left?

[Santos]

lol

[Santos]

Vote: Gun

[Santos]

SocioPath: I was thinking the same thing since a cop already died and was apparently a normal cop and not one with a special investigative decision like

Moses

.

[Santos]

Vote: Santos

Good luck mafia

[Santos]

is that 'smiley' a disconcerting one? :p

[Santos]

I claimed scum because I was trying to divert the attention away from the other scum. I just wanted a scum victory.

[Santos]

Maybe cuz I didn't give a ****!