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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:40 am

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Empking wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Empking wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Empking wrote:Memorized everybody's roles?

I doubt it.
We're in a 19 player game, by my count. If a Mod can't remember 19 roles, he's in a lot of trouble. How do you expect someone to moderate a game when they dont know everyone's role??
Wow.... 0.o

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Why would they need to know everybody's role?

Because, roles do stuff. And in THEME games especially, the Mod really needs to be aware of who can do what. Do you think it's viable for a mod to accept night actions from vanilla townies? Daykills from Roleblockers?
This argument is ridiculous. The Mod should know everyone's role. End of story. -.-

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No, but the mod doesn't need to remember who has what role. Just have a record of who has what role.
It depends on the setup. Typically in a theme game, you can get wierder roles, and having a record isnt enough. Have you ever moderated a game on MS?

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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:41 am

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On MS, no.
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:42 am

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Empking wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Empking wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Empking wrote:Memorized everybody's roles?

I doubt it.
We're in a 19 player game, by my count. If a Mod can't remember 19 roles, he's in a lot of trouble. How do you expect someone to moderate a game when they dont know everyone's role??
Wow.... 0.o

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Why would they need to know everybody's role?

Because, roles do stuff. And in THEME games especially, the Mod really needs to be aware of who can do what. Do you think it's viable for a mod to accept night actions from vanilla townies? Daykills from Roleblockers?
This argument is ridiculous. The Mod should know everyone's role. End of story. -.-

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No, but the mod doesn't need to remember who has what role. Just have a record of who has what role.
And if they were ever unsure they woud check and know - therfore not needing to memorise anything.
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:49 am

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Empking wrote:On MS, no.
That explains it then. I guess you'll just have to trust me on this.

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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:50 am

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christiano drago wrote:
Empking wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Empking wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Empking wrote:Memorized everybody's roles?

I doubt it.
We're in a 19 player game, by my count. If a Mod can't remember 19 roles, he's in a lot of trouble. How do you expect someone to moderate a game when they dont know everyone's role??
Wow.... 0.o

BM
Why would they need to know everybody's role?

Because, roles do stuff. And in THEME games especially, the Mod really needs to be aware of who can do what. Do you think it's viable for a mod to accept night actions from vanilla townies? Daykills from Roleblockers?
This argument is ridiculous. The Mod should know everyone's role. End of story. -.-

BM
No, but the mod doesn't need to remember who has what role. Just have a record of who has what role.
And if they were ever unsure they woud check and know - therfore not needing to memorise anything.
If they didnt KNOW, theyd always be unsure, and would thus, always be checking, until such a time as they LEARNT THE DAMN ROLES. :roll:
It's not difficult to remember something fairly simple. If your brain cant keep track of 'Name: Role' for 16 people, then you have serious problems.

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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:50 am

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Umm, mods
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*hopes he isn't modkilled for that*
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:54 am

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What are we attaining from this 'mod is wrong' thing?

Also, no one addressed my question.
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:32 am

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My vote is on Moses, not Santos.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:50 am

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A lot of mods also enjoy reading their own games to see the ebb and flow of how each role reacts with each other, so they are very familier with everyone and what they do.

Also, generally when a mod makes a mistake, its a simple one such as a misplaced vote, not a game mechanic one dealing with interaction of roles.


There in no reason in my mind to believe that the mod is just ignorantly bumbling through the game actting only as a vote counter.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:13 am

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On the other hand, i really dont see abstaining as scummy at this point
Its the whole random vote principle. Random votes are fairly useless early on, but not random voting is anti-town for reasons I'm sure you have heard/understand.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:20 am

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Please enlighten me :)
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:00 am

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Vote Count:
Santos (5): ZazieR, Moses le fou, armlx, Save the Dragon, ZTR
Empking (1): CarnCarn
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath
SocioPath (1): christiano drago,
oEJo (1): hp [leaves]
Riceballtail (1): Battle Mage
Moses le fou (1): Riceballtail
CarnCarn (1): Sineish
hp [leaves] (1): CarnCarn

Not voting (2): Thunder, Santos

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

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Gun (6): CarnCarn, ZazieR, hp [leaves], oEJo, christiano drago, ZTR
Rope (6): Save the Dragons, Riceballtail, armlx, Empking, Sineish, Moses le fou

Not voting for a lynch method (4): Battle Mage, Thunder, SocioPath, Santos

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Gun would be used.
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:15 pm

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Unvote: CarnCarn

Battle Mage wrote:If your brain cant keep track of 'Name: Role' for 16 people, then you have serious problems.
I would hope all mods would have the roles noted down and use their notes when processing night actions. Trying to do it all in your head is when mistakes happen.

As far as random-voting for a lynch method at the moment, I think stating that you have no preference right now is ok, as long as everyone votes one way or the other by the end of the day.
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:29 pm

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Battle Mage wrote:
Empking wrote:Memorized everybody's roles?

I doubt it.
We're in a 19 player game, by my count. If a Mod can't remember 19 roles, he's in a lot of trouble. How do you expect someone to moderate a game when they dont know everyone's role??
Wow.... 0.o

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Hi. I have modded on MS. I've modded newbies back when they were 7 players, and I've had to check to make sure that people were what I thought they were.
Empking wrote: No, but the mod doesn't need to remember who has what role. Just have a record of who has what role.
QFT. Dude, the point is that a mod may not remember exactly which player has what role on D1, nor do they need to, because, it's...uh...day, and no one...uh...does anything.
Battle Mage wrote: If they didnt KNOW, theyd always be unsure, and would thus, always be checking, until such a time as they LEARNT THE DAMN ROLES. :roll:
Uh...dude. The posts in question are 42 and 79 (after about 16 confirmation posts). There's no reason to check what role someone is just because they've posted.
Battle Mage wrote: It's not difficult to remember something fairly simple. If your brain cant keep track of 'Name: Role' for 16 people, then you have serious problems.
Uh...dude. I memorized the english equivalent to 125 spanish phrases in one afternoon, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to memorize the roles to all the players in Newbie 680 (game I'm modding).

And your statement requires all three of my points to be true...can I assume you agree with the others and this is the only one you had problems with?

So now that we've had this pointless argument, what's next?
SocioPath wrote:A lot of mods also enjoy reading their own games to see the ebb and flow of how each role reacts with each other, so they are very familier with everyone and what they do.

Also, generally when a mod makes a mistake, its a simple one such as a misplaced vote, not a game mechanic one dealing with interaction of roles.


There in no reason in my mind to believe that the mod is just ignorantly bumbling through the game actting only as a vote counter.
Hi. I've modded both ways. There's no reason to assume our mod is one way or the other. But then again, that's not really the point.





EVERYONE STOP.

We are getting waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic. If your name is not BM, then talk about anything else. The point is,
STD wrote:The mod correcting a mistake is not a tell or an error at all. You're assuming that the mod has memorized the setup up, knows which scum group each player is off the top of his head, and that the mod would think that a scum player would automatically vote for the weapon that doesn't kill them.
The most important one is the last one, because technically the mod could look it up if he felt like it, but in order for BM's accusation to be true, all of those statements need to be correct, in that the mod must know which role a player is (the first two), and that he must make the mistake of assuming the scum would act a certain way.

Three other factors serve to be problematic:

1) If Santos isn't scum, this all doesn't matter.
2) The mod is equally likely to correct a mistake made by player regardless of role.
3) There's no really good way for the scum to vote for a lynching weapon. Voting for the opposite one seems to make sense, but they can WIFOM by voting for their own, or they could abstain. You're accusation also requires voting for the opposite weapon to be the most desireable outcome for scum, which I'm not sure it is.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:08 pm

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1) If Santos isn't scum, this all doesn't matter.
So you're still happy to lynch me without having a thoughtful accusation? I need discourse and a cookie!
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:30 pm

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I still want confirmation if Santos was actually claiming "mason" or not.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:36 pm

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Santos wrote:
1) If Santos isn't scum, this all doesn't matter.
So you're still happy to lynch me without having a thoughtful accusation? I need discourse and a cookie!
Yes, that's exactly what I said. (Sarcasm!)

And that is definitely the one point you should take out of my post. (More sarcasm!)
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:37 pm

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armlx wrote:I still want confirmation if Santos was actually claiming "mason" or not.
Oh yeah, and this would be nice.
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:47 pm

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armlx wrote: I still want confirmation if Santos was actually claiming "mason" or not.
Yeah, he's given us no reason to believe it, with all his "maybe"s. And unless it's confirmed masons, it doesn't give any idea about alignment at all, and would be pretty moot to even mention at this point.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:04 pm

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I still want confirmation of it.
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:05 pm

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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:06 pm

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Now that's he has already brought up the topic, I agree.
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:35 pm

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Unvote


Just noticed that my random vote was still active.

Currently I believe that armlx and carncarn are indeed masons. I'd also like santos' partner to come up and say if he's his partner (if santos is actually claiming mason)
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:52 pm

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FoS:
HP for wanting to out more possible masons.
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:51 am

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why are you
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