What meta?Santos seems town to me, especially given with his meta.
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CarnCarn wrote:How do you deduce he's town from his metaless meta?
I get the general sense of newbie cluelessness.
From what I've noticed from newbies, and newbie games, is that they have their own perspective on things generally, which is the vibe I am getting from him.
And since I feel that he fits that part of such, my general perspective on meta of that character type fits in with a more town-like course of actions of what he has done so far.
This is his first, and only game on the site. That is, unless he is just an Alt, then my read on him is shot to pieces.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Vote Count:
Santos (6): ZazieR, Moses le fou, Save the Dragon, ZTR, hp [leaves], Sineish
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath
Riceballtail (1): Battle Mage
armlx (1): Riceballtail
ZTR (1): Empking
Not voting (6): Thunder, Santos, CarnCarn, armlx, ribwich, oEJo
With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.
Lynch Method Vote Count:
Rope (7): Save the Dragons, Riceballtail, Empking, Moses le fou, CarnCarn, ZazieR, ZTR
Gun (7): hp [leaves], oEJo, ribwich, SocioPath, Battle Mage, armlx, Sineish
Not voting for a lynch method (1): Thunder, Santos
If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Rope would be used.-
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I swear, no matter what game it is I play in, if I am a regular townie, I am always a terrible player. I know how to be conservative otherwise :p[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Santos wrote:I swear, no matter what game it is I play in, if I am a regular townie, I am always a terrible player.SocioPath wrote:That is, unless he is just an Alt, then my read on him is shot to pieces.
STD.armlx wrote:Socio: Who do you suggest as scum then?Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Unvote, Vote: Santos
STD and Armlx have me convinced. But STD-take your vote off Rope please!
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Actually, i'd been thinking about it since STD's post on the last page. 497 doesnt show him in the best of lights, and i think the reason this wagon is stalling as opposed to disintegrating is that Santos is actually scum.armlx wrote:
I'm interested.STD.
Unvote
Elaborate please.
This also has to do with how BM's vote swapped right after you said that.
I have to say, it hasn't escaped my attention that you were pushing a Santos-lynch from off-wagon. But this is just an instinct call now.
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Hmm... I seem to have forgotten about my unvote when we were discussing the lynch method. As evidenced by my reunvote, I clearly intended to be on said wagon.I have to say, it hasn't escaped my attention that you were pushing a Santos-lynch from off-wagon. But this is just an instinct call now.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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This is the one game we've shared of late where i DON'T think you are scum. dont jinx it!
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October 16th:Santos wrote: I still maintain that I was the first of these 3 claimed masons to actually come forth with an actual role name.
October 19th:hp [leaves] wrote:I agree with Santos' idea to delay the choice of method.unvote
I alsounvoteandvote: mosesbecause I'm thinking he's trying too hard and pointing out ideas is aneighbor'sduty.
Santos wrote:'Neighbor'
This, butSocioPath wrote:All in all, looking at the Santos wagoning, it seems both scum driven, as well as town driven.
Not this.SocioPath wrote:Santos seems town to me, especially given with his meta.
That's not no meta, that's a specific meta. What's your point with the no meta thing?SocioPath wrote:CarnCarn wrote:How do you deduce he's town from his metaless meta?
I get the general sense of newbie cluelessness.
I KNEW IT!Sociopath wrote:
STD.armlx wrote:Socio: Who do you suggest as scum then?
K, seriously...now that you've danced around this for a couple of posts, care to explain why?
BM: Sorry about this, but can you point out any post again where you explain why gun is preferred to rope?-
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This one should suffice.Battle Mage wrote:
Simple really. Now his choice REALLY MATTERS because he is quite likely to die today, he chose to vote for Rope. Hence, it is likely that, IF he is scum, Gun is his weakness. This logic will be WIFOM after today, so let's make the most of it.ZazieR wrote:
If Santos thought this at the beginning then why would he choose gun? That's why i think rope is the right choice for him.Santos wrote:Rope lynches scum, gun kills townies.
But if you think gun is the right choice, then why is that?
As far as your logic goes, you assume that if Santos is scum, he would be telling the truth. Somehow, i find this doubtful. But, if you assume he is scum, the only motive he would have for that comment, would be to persuade the town to use ROPE, and NOT GUN. Hence, your argument further reinforces that Gun is the weapon most likely to kill him.
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STD, in light of your recent Neighbor claim... some things that stick out in a re-read:Save The Dragons wrote:
I KNEW IT!Sociopath wrote:
STD.armlx wrote: Socio: Who do you suggest as scum then?
K, seriously...now that you've danced around this for a couple of posts, care to explain why?
This is before I actually claimed what my role was, but I figured Neighbor is a relatively vanilla role that others might has as well. What would I have misread? You have the same info about someone in your own role PM that should make you suspicious of them (even if you are scum, but especially if you are town).Save The Dragons wrote:Sineish wrote: it's logical to assume that he must have been named to you in your role.
How can you be so sure about what he said that allows you to think he must have armlx in his PM? You seriously think he couldn't
a) be making shit up
b) have misread something <===this is my pick right now.
c) have received information pre game from the mod
d) have picked up a meta tell
e) be reading too much into BM's mention of armlx's name.
It sounds like you were pushing me to reveal myself here. Not cool - I was waiting for armlx to commit either way to whether he has me named in his role PM and whether I was described as unconfirmed.Save The Dragons wrote: Carncarn, are you going to talk about it, or are you just going to dangle this piece of candy in front of us and withdraw your hand at the last minute? I don't really respond to arguments like, "I have info, but I'm not sayin' nothin'."
This is your only communication with your mason partner before he claimed.Save The Dragons wrote: @hp [leaves]: I'm a little disappointed with your latest contribution. Anyone looking suspicious to you?
What?? This really bothers me. How could it possibly say his buddy was confirmed? You have the same role info as me and armlx. It just sounds like you were trying too hard to get Santos nailed.Save The Dragons wrote: Your role PM better say that your buddy is confirmed, or I'm probably not taking my vote off you. I'm not really sure how you can be bugged by someone having your own role.
Huh? Again, just reads of trying too hard.Save The Dragons wrote: This. Even if a partner does come out, I'm sold.
Confirm vote: Santosdie scum die.
How do you know this? Are you sure scum can be both NeighborSave The Dragons wrote: (and actually claiming Neighbor doesn't really affect anything, because it doesn't mean you can't be scum...)andanother role name? Only if you were scum yourself could you know this.
And yet, while you accuse Santos of obfuscating armlx's and my own role claim, you are guilty of doing similar things.Save The Dragons wrote:
He has the exact same role! How can he say that them having something he doesn't have bothers him?Santos wrote:I can't help myself. The claim for having a mason and NOT knowing the other mason's alignment bugs me. Is there more we can break from this? Obviously the plain fact that they're masons we would naturally assume they would both be town aligned, but adding in the fact that they do not know each other's alignment makes me a lot more skeptical. I mean, what good is having this ability? EX: If I were in CarnCarn/armlx's shoes why not just talk in the game thread to each other?
Seriously. Armlx and CarnCarn, masons, are like Santos and oEJo. So why is he doubting something their role doesn't have if he doesn't have it himself? If he sees that they have the exact same details as him, that should help confirm them as their role (not alignment, of course, but their role).
Ironic, but thanks for the tip.Save The Dragons wrote: Goddamnit. The Santos wagon is riddled with scum.
Vote: Save The Dragons
Unvote: Rope
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Yeah, this is especially confusing:armlx wrote: The thing that confuses me is why STD and hp let us carry on so long on the false premise of 2/4 being scum.
When were you planning to reveal this info, if at all? Did you think it was anti-town to reveal it?Save The Dragons wrote: My bad to RBT and armlx...I did miss the S1-S2 and T-T possibility. Still, I'm not going to discount the possibility of 3+ mason sets so easily (even if it does seem a little weird).-
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