Mini Normal 2223 | Town Wins!

[T3]

Players

Bold = confirmed.
* denotes a prod.

• 1.
  Not_Mafia*
  was eliminated day 3. He was a Mafia Goon.
  2.
  MathBlade who replaced Saudade
  was eliminated day 6. He was a Mafia Goon.
  3.
  oʍo
  died night 2. They were a Vanilla Townie.
  4.
  Roden
  died night 1. He was a Vanilla Townie.
  5.
  geraintm
  died night 3. He was a Town Day 3 Innocent Child.
  6.
  DrippingGoofball who replaced Looker
  was eliminated day 1. It was a Mafia Goon.
  7.
  Dwlee99
  survives to endgame. He was a Vanila Townie.
  8.
  MaxTheFox
  was eliminated day 2. She was a Vanilla Townie.
  9.
  Titus
  died night 2. She was a Town Babysitter.
  10.
  ssbm_Kyouko
  survives to endgame. She was a Vanilla Townie.
  11.
  ManateeDude
  died night 4. She was a Town Friendly Neighbor.
  12.
  Salsabil Faria
  was eliminated day 4. She was a Vanilla Townie.
  13.
  marcistar
  died night 5. She was a Vanilla Townie.

Reviewed by Isis and mastina. Backup mod is ArcAngel9.

[T3]

The Rules

rules stolen and adapted from SirCakes and Dannflor

General Rules

1. 1. Obey all site rules, which can be found here.
   2. Do not, under any circumstances, quote your role PMs or any other PMs sent by the moderator. Paraphrasing is okay.
   3. Do not contact other players to discuss the game outside of the game thread. This includes both PMs and offsite communication.
   4. Play to win this game, not your future games.
   5. Do not use extremely tiny text, cryptography, invisible text, or anything of the sort. Everything you post should be public info.
   6. Do not use provable randomness. This includes dice tags.
   7. Do not impersonate the moderator.
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   is my mod color. Don't use it!
   8. Once you have died, you lose the ability to post. Do not make a “bah” post.
   9. When in doubt about the rules, do not hesitate to ask me for clarification.

Voting and Deadlines

1. 1. All votes and unvotes must be put in bold or with VOTE: tags. Vote tags are highly preferred.
   2. Votes made in spoilers will not be counted.
   3. Abbreviations and nicknames in votes are acceptable, as long as I can clearly tell who you are referencing.
   4. When a player reaches a majority of votes, all votes are frozen and that player is eliminated. It takes half the players to no eliminate when on evens. All players may continue to post up until the thread is locked.
   5. Players may vote to end the phase without an elimination. Do this by voting for a “No Elimination” with vote or bold tags. No Elimination will happen at half the players votes when on evens.
   6. Day phases will last up to 7 days. Night phases will last for 48 hours.
   7. If >80% living players agree to it via PM, I will end the night phase early.

Activity

1. 1. You are expected to make at least one game-relevant post every 48 hours. Players who go 48 hours without posting will be prodded. The prod timer resets in the night.
   2. If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. Prod dodges do not count. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. Additionally, if you accumulate more than 3 prods, I may force replace you.
   3. If I have not yet found a replacement for a player being replaced and they post in thread, they may retake their slot. If I am force replacing a player, this rule does not apply.
   4. If you are going to be V/LA, please announce it in thread or PM me. Players on V/LA are exempt from the prod rules for the duration of their V/LA.

Setup Specific

1. 1. Scum have daytalk.
   2. Scum do not have multi-tasking by default.
   3. At least one player will receive the following role PM:
   
   Spoiler:

   Welcome, you are a Vanilla Townie.
   
   You have no special abilities.
   
   Win Condition: You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

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[T3]

Sending out role PM's now.

[T3]

All role PM's have been sent out. I will start with [8/8] confirms or after 24 hours since this was posted.

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not voting: All players

[T3]

Votecount:

• Dwlee99 (2): ManateeDude, ssbm_Kyouko
  Saudade (1): Salsabil Faria
  MaxTheFox (1): Titus
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
  Titus (1): Roden
  omo (1): Saudade

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Hi guys!

VOTE: Saudade

o/
VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: MaxTheFox

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

sup nerds and jester and marci

I'm mason

With Dwlee?
VOTE: dwlee99

VOTE: Titus

Serial killer hero solve.

VOTE: omo

[T3]

Votecount:

• Looker (3): marcistar, ManateeDude, Titus
  Titus (2): Roden, ssbm_Kyouko
  omo (2): Saudade, MaxTheFox
  ssbm_Kyouko (1): Dwlee99
  Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
  geraintm (1): Salsabil Faria
  MaxTheFox (1): omo
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

I'm mason
VOTE: SSBM_KYOUKO

ive decided im townreading u

can we be townbuddies? :0

yes yes ofc ofc, tho we cant let the mafia know

I know

VOTE: salsa Bill

ive decided im townreading u

can we be townbuddies? :0

yes yes ofc ofc, tho we cant let the mafia know

I know

VOTE: salsa Bill

This is my real name which you're mocking without my permission, not cool buddy!

UNVOTE: Saudade

VOTE: geraintm

Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.

[Progressionless post until MaxTheFox arrives]

VOTE: looker

VOTE: looker

@looker any reason u havent lay down a vote?

VOTE: looker

Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.

VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here

VOTE: looker

@looker any reason u havent lay down a vote?

Hello.
It's 5am here, and I'm spending the day decorating:(

VOTE: Titus

[T3]

Votecount:

Looker (4): marcistar, ManateeDude, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko
omo (2): MaxTheFox, Salsabil Faria
MaxTheFox (2): Saudade, Dwlee99
Titus (1); Women
Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
marcistar (1): omo

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: maxthefox

VOTE: Max
Okay

VOTE: marci

We can't say

lynch

; it's forbidden.

Also, Titus and ssbm_Kyouko are dating. Congrats!

I'm married, but are you hinting at something game related with this?

Also VOTE: Marcistar masons unite on this

on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.

Mention the post(s) you find town indicative please.

Which ones are scum indicative?

This isn't the answer of my question and their posts are either NAI or fluff so far.

UNVOTE: geraintm

VOTE: OMO

Disagree. Hilarious.

Disagree with your disagree

VOTE: Looker

[T3]

Looker is force replaced for mocking homosexuality and then doubling down.

[T3]

DrippingGoofball replaces Looker.

[T3]

Votecount:

• omo (4): MaxTheFox, Salsabil Faria, DrippingGoofball, Saudade
  Roden (4): ssbm_Kyouko, omo, Dwlee99, ManateeDude
  DrippingGoofball (2): marcistar, Titus
  Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
  ManateeDude (1): Roden

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: dwlee99
why'd you sheepe me bro

Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.

Everything up to 172 is RVS, but in no way does it try to get out of RVS

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

A Death Neighborizer!?

Deez Nuts

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

I think scum's getting restless with RVS and is waiting for someone to make a move they can pounce on

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Here there is a believable attempt to start solving, but since then, feels like a good amount has happened that Roden could be commenting on, especially given they feel RVS is going on too long

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Didn't get an answer to this.

But instead of continuing to look for solving info they're making a busy post.

VOTE: Roden

The way Marci reacted to me pushing on them feels towny in retrospect, I was just a bit taken aback at the time when they were not suspicious of me which made me feel like there was TMI at play but at the end of the day scum leans towards actually questioning people who are FoSing them.

I'll sheep you for now kyouko VOTE: Roden

VOTE: omo

VOTE: Rodent
Kyo town?

I am masons with your mum

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Not_Mafia

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

He's the only one who is actually trying to play the game.

Scum!Not_Mafia is usually happy to troll.

I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.

do u usually play like this..?

Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.

i dont think its unreasonable, you seem a bit held back this game
do you usually play so go-with-the-flow held back type of style?

I've literally never played a game with you before? What are you talking about here?

And haven't you just been memeing all game and brushing off every accusation toward you?

VOTE: Marcistar

VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy

VOTE: ManateeDude

So you're saying you're not paying attention and just sheeping the first player to make a detailed scum read? And your own justification for voting me is that I'm "defensive"? You might as well be scum claiming tbh.

[T3]

Prodding Not_Mafia.

[T3]

Saudade is force replaced for deliberate and malicious use of the L-word.

[T3]

MathBlade replaces Saudade

[T3]

Votecount:

• Dwlee99 (4): Salsabil Faria, ssbm_Kyouko, Titus, ManateeDude
  ManateeDude (2): omo, Dwlee99
  omo (2): MaxTheFox, DrippingGoofball
  DrippingGoofball (1): marcistar
  Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
  marcistar (1): Roden

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:22:01).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: Manatee

sorry kyouko i think roden prob town here

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Manatee

sorry kyouko i think roden prob town here

Okay, saudade, manatee are 2 town down I think. I was ready to vote manatee earlier too. Are scum not posting? Dwlee/Titus/?

? Could be max but i was in both her previous games and i can say with certainty that entrance is nai.

VOTE: titus

I am having trouble reading people so I'm sheeping my mason buddy.
VOTE: Titus

Roden i think ur theorycrafting bc ur reading into normal interactions on a way deeper level

You mean like me who you sheeped in voting Rowen?
VOTE: manatee

I am having trouble reading people so I'm sheeping my mason buddy.
VOTE: Titus

UNVOTE: OMO

VOTE: Dwlee99

and I'm still SR

OMO

FYI... Not sure about

Roten

atm.

Women = Roden, and I'm not switching because I like owo more. The cliqueyness was half-assed. It can be re-attacked later.

We get it, you're either scum claiming or you're a PR trying to hide yourself with scumminess so you don't get NK'd. Whatever, moving on.

This mentioning PR part seems TMI.

I don't understand how this seems TMI. How'd you come to this conclusion? The rest of your posting tracks, but this doesn't for me.

BTW last game I played with Dwlee he was scum and was talkative. Now he's quieter. Anyone who knows Dwlee better, is this NAI or no?

So you will meta N_M but not Dwlee? Why is that?

Upon skim the Titus vote stands.

In the last game she was the same, but you were more chatty, what change?

I have less to say and my eyes are glazing over on half of these posts.

VOTE: Dwlee
I think your attention span is better than you'd like us to believe

VOTE: Dwlee

Omgus haha.

VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.

VOTE: Dwlee

Also a lot of the pushing on me felt like they wanted me to out who my mason partner was cause it obviously wasn't Saudade.

I just wanted you to play, you're coming off as very passive and just sheeping other people. Even when pressured you're just lightly flailing. I don't think you're necessarily scummy, but you're not really doing much to help town and the Kyokou read isn't good. Who do you suspect besides her?

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna write up a reads list and figure who to push from there. Idk if Dwlee is the right vote today.

Apparently no one in FIA made my eyes roll behind my head trying to read their posts, so we move to this
VOTE: Manatee

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

A Death Neighborizer!?

Deez Nuts

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

Agreed.

VOTE: Titus

Town Titus wants out of RVS ASAP. Not seeing that here.

What dad joke?

When does a joke become a dad joke?

Heheheheh.

Gonna produce some content?

Also Roden’s post sucks. FoS’s can be on more players than scum. It’s also possible there’s four scum we don’t know

VOTE: Roden

VOTE: oʍo

Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.

its a lot harder to townread someone being an asshole

Yeahhhh...

Kinda wondering if this is gonna be a game where town cannibalizes itself Days 1 and 2 while scum just lays low for free.

First post I have vibed with you on. You might be town after all.

VOTE: Unvote

Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity.

Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.

having trouble with my reads, though that isn't too much of a valid excuse. I have townreads mostly, and "they dont seem scummy enough to vote" reads, but im not really too confident in anything.

All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.

whatchu waiting for? why didnt u vote in this post if ur willing to vote out either of me/max?

Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?

I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.

VOTE: Marcistar

Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.

I haven't been exactly laying low. Look at my ISO.

I've seen your ISO, a lot of your posts became very safe after your wagon cooled off. It's hard to read your posts and not notice how cautious you've been.

Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.

No he's just an pillion. An pillion with town vibes tho. I can't quite explain it.

Wait he got replaced? I didn't catch up yet. Welcome Math!

I can agree with this.

[T3]

Votecount:

• marcistar (5): Roden, ssbm_Kyouko, Salsabil Faria, omo, DrippingGoofball
  omo (3): MaxTheFox, ManateeDude, MathBlade
  ManateeDude (1): Dwlee99
  Dwlee99 (1): Titus
  DrippingGoofball (1): marcistar
  Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:22:01).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Elimination on omo seems the safest to me at this point. They haven't countered my last response to them (466) at all despite posting after I posted it. They're just oddly detached despite being aggressive if that makes sense.

Wait, where is

OMO

?? They suddenly vanished!

UNVOTE: Dwlee99

VOTE: OMO

Titus is actually more likely scum than manatee I think so if people are down for a flash wagon

Hmmmm.....
Fine, will sheep you this time, if anyone from

Titus

and

Manatee

will flip green, you're red... deal?

UNVOTE: OMO

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: manatee
I'm content with a titus lim on the basis that it is outside my confident townreads because i cant read titus but would be a loss if they flipped town for us.

VOTE: omo

dwlee i cant figure out why u TR them

VOTE: salsabil

VOTE: marcistar I would come to manatee as well because I think this "limbo" in my reads is one scum buddying town/trying to create partner equity with town.

Manatee has better upsides in her posting. I also feel like Marci's vote has generally been wasted this game and that is where scum likes to sit when town eats each other up. Others are also guilty of this.

VOTE: omo

dwlee i cant figure out why u TR them

I can definitely sheep this given Owo’s push of Titus before her claim and lack of vote.

For all the sussing of Titus she had very few votes IIRC probably looking for a Titus susser, nonvoter

VOTE: Owo

Everyone is claiming, now it’s my turn... I'm an ascetic mafia rolecop

UNVOTE: Titus

VOTE: Marci

UNVOTE:

OmO looking better and dropping town tells.

oh yeah I forgot looker was towny, DGB goes up to my townlean area.

VOTE: Marci
I'll consolidate here since I saw a lot of votes here.

If it flips scum it'd be good to just plow through manatee and then reeval only if that flips town then.

Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.

Based on this alone, she's scum.

VOTE: marci

[T3]

Votecount:

• marcistar (4): Roden, ssbm_Kyouko, Salsabil Faria, omo
  omo (2): MaxTheFox, MathBlade
  ManateeDude (1): Dwlee99
  Dwlee99 (1): Titus
  DrippingGoofball (1): marcistar
  Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:22:01).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

UNVOTE: hmmmmmm

UNVOTE:

not sure about omo but we can adress it again tmrw

[T3]

Votecount:

• DrippingGoofball (4): marcistar, ssbm_Kyouko, ManateeDude, Roden
  Salsabil Faria (2): geraintm, Salsabil Fariua
  marcistar (1): MathBlade
  omo (1): MaxTheFox
  ManateeDude (1): Dwlee99
  Dwlee99 (1): Titus
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
  Roden (1): DrippingGoofball

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:22:01).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: Marci

I think I am okay with a Marci elim here.

UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

omo has generally been very wishy washy, inconsistent and intentionally offputting so far this game. a skim of their iso will find a lot of fencesits, votes that are quickly rescinded. they seem pretty willing to follow stronger players more silently and are quite often vague in their statements, in what i think is an attempt to avoid locking themselves into a thought process that isnt favourable for town later down the road. a skim through their iso reveals a lack of reads on a lot of players, and many are purposely vague or based on an another players perspective. its pretty easy for omo to take up a few semi-popular viewpoints that they can fencesit, and pull through on at a later point when its convinient for them. omos posts voting me as opposed to a more popular pick are all coupled with a statement they'd also be ok pushing the more popular pick which feels like perfect positioning for a mislim on either end

omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?

this post is super telling and i think it sets up for a discred on max bc her thought process was really solid, and omo AS max stated does the aforementioned dodging real criticism by not adressing the other aspects of max's reasoning. its really not a good look for early game and i didnt even notice it until here

dont care, I'm blatantly town and you're not

you are most definitenly not blatantly town omo

why am I scum then?

omo does some more doubtcasting, and the obvtown comment is really bad. this response looks like a pretty obvious way to distract from their original point (not a good look) and immediately flip to the other end of the spectrum in attempt to doubtcast the original point (being that omo is NOT obvtown)

omo you are taco right?

yup thats another one of my alts

yeah I'm not that complex in early game and just shit out random reads, it's gonna develop over time like right now

not noticing this pattern in at least one aforementioned taco game

wrongo

i wont claim to be a huge meta reader but when theres a pretty obvious discepancy i can point it out. this game gives pretty different scope of how they act, with them supplying many complicated takes and engaging in a complex manner with various players. i wouldnt find this huge if they didn't say it was objectively untrue, but from the way i see it they made a statement about their style that doesnt match the way i analyzed their behavior

VOTE: manatee
I'm content with a titus lim on the basis that it is outside my confident townreads because i cant read titus but would be a loss if they flipped town for us.

this post is super in that they kind of back away from developing any sort of read on titus and WHILE voting me. i'd be content if they admitted they couldn't read titus without the caveat that theyd also be ok limming them but it feels weird to say you cant read someone and be in favour of their lim. they ALSO ackonwledge T!Titus would be a loss but they're also perfectly content with the same person going without any real read on them?

feel like a lot of people are hedging on their reads on me cos mafia dont know if they can push me as a mislim

Perspective slip alert

If yall were unsure b4 that post is disgustingly scum mindset based on that wording^^

But you said that's because mafia isn't sure. How did you figure that?

i dont think everyone pushing me fully is scum? that means mafia is unsure of whether or not theyre going to push me as a whole

ur reasoning is oh she has thoughts about mafia perspective so she slipped as mafia from what im getting

alright so what's your perspective on the gamestate ATP?

this series of responses is kind of telling around omo's wishy-washy behavior as their noted "perspective slip" on me which was originally extremely fragile falls apart with a bit of pushback and without anyone agreeing. i find it interesting that even now when they r back to voting me no mention of this perspective slip has been raised. i think its bc as a point against me it doesnt work and they realized it.


VOTE: omo

I'm getting paranoid about my read on Marci. Like on one hand, I'm starting to doubt it after her defense because it was pretty reasonable, and looking through her ISO all of what she said checks out. And the wagon on her built surprisingly quickly before I could even make a full scum case, which feels off. But on the other hand, she's openly admitting to using scum tactics, she isn't pushing her biggest scum read, and I get a sense she's doing her homework to make sure everything she says checks out, which kinda conflicts with her overall vibe and demeanor that she's putting across. Like, using a lot of emojis and hearts, but then making passive aggressive statements.

"blatant distancing" i started distancing with manatee after i suddenly didnt like their vote, wow really a big shock how i dont wanna continue buddying someone i dont agree with anymore
but if yall think that distancing can only come from scum honey u got a big storm coming for ya <3

This specifically pinged me a lot. There's a lot of tonal dissonance in her posts but this is stands out the most to me.

UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

Bless your beautiful souls VOTE: manatee

VOTE: marci

im not going today and i will make that 100% true if need be

UNVOTE: I don't even know with this game anymore. Theres a hole in my reads somewhere.
I guess I could do max
VOTE: max

Pedit: Roden I think omo was voting Marci while she was he wagon and the same post you thought was townie from Marci, he thought too. So did I.

Fuck it what about this iso?
Desperately flocking to the prevailing wagons seemingly for no reason, assuming they're both town, 962 is the perfect time to make that post as scum. You get the towncred but also the prevailing wagons are TvT and it's safe to do so.

No content. Flip-flops onto town wagons without reason. Tries to scoop up low-hanging towncred. Yeet

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

sold.

VOTE: DGB

I was damn near town locking DGB due to Looker, but that is a good point about DGB's posts. Last game I was with DGB I ended up tunneling them to the point I tried to Vig them, but they also played way differently in that game. They've been extremely inactive and not really trying to make any waves this time around, possibly just coasting on the town read Looker forged for them. Re-evaluating Looker again, I also remember thinking they were trying to look scummy on purpose. It made me think they were either too scummy to be scummy and maybe had a PR, or they were gambitting we would assume TSTBS. I should've had them null in my reads list tbh.

I think I'm actually fine with this wagon.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

What a hypocrite pl!!
When I was voting

OMO

and

Dwlee

, either I was completely ignored or they were strongly townread by others which made me back off a little and I decided to sheep others. But now I am not town to all of you because I went against

Titus

or to your precious M3 group, which you guys want to eliminate???
You guys deserve each other, not gonna post anymore, screw yourselves!!

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Read-list

Town:

ssbm

,

Math

,

Titus

,

Roden

Scum:

Dwlee

,

OMO

,

goofball

Rests are null now, will be changed after the D1 and N1 flips most probably.

VOTE: Roden

[T3]

Votecount:

• DrippingGoofball (7): marcistar, ssbm_Kyouko, ManateeDude, Roden, Titus, MathBlade, omo
  Roden (2): DrippingGoofball, Dwlee99
  Salsabil Faria (2): geraintm, Salsabil Faria
  omo (1): MaxTheFox
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:22:01).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: DGB

TRing everyone on this wagon.

VOTE: Roden

VOTE: DGB

TRing everyone on this wagon.

VOTE: DGB

Ditto.

Oh and not sure if anyone saw a recent WWF ad? It’s so cute I just have to share it.



Show love to people <3

VOTE: Roden after some thought I think Roden TMId in their response to me regarding my assertion that it is unrealistic from their POV that I helped shut down a wagon on them that I initiated and am scum to them. The motivations for me as scum to do that are dubious at best considering the gamestate at the time.


I thought they were town but perhaps I am threatening their other 2 partners ergo that's dangerous to them - or they need to dismantle a townblock that's formed in a way. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this, as I've been rereading my own ISO and noticed some things I had forgotten about.


The fact this isn't the first time this day phase Roden has made very questionable play in terms of not bad play but like .. dunno how to explain it its just weird/not town motivated.

I'm hungover as shit so not in the mood to really ellaborate but I'll quote Kyouko's case in my next post.

VOTE: DGB

whatever

there's absolutely no agreement here and I don't think DGB is that valuable to the gamestate anyways so yeah

I'm hammering this so no shit counterwagon happens because no one wants to go for any of my scumreads and this is at least low in my reads

[T3]

DrippingGoofball was eliminated. It was a Mafia Goon.
Night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-07-26 23:25:01).

[T3]

I may not be able to get on at deadline because I have a debate tournament so I will start the day ~12 hours early.

[T3]

Roden died in the night. He was a Vanilla Townie.

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not voting (11): All players

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-08-02 11:22:01).
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

[T3]

Votecount:

• omo (2): ManateeDude, ssbm_Kyouko

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-08-02 11:22:01).
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

first VOTE: omo

Oh you ninjad me
VOTE: omo

[T3]

Votecount:

• MaxTheFox (3): omo, Dwlee99, ManateeDude
  omo (2): MaxTheFox, Salsabil Faria
  Dwlee99 (1): ssbm_Kyouko

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-08-02 11:22:01).
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: DGB

whatever

there's absolutely no agreement here and I don't think DGB is that valuable to the gamestate anyways so yeah

I'm hammering this so no shit counterwagon happens because no one wants to go for any of my scumreads and this is at least low in my reads

DGB feels slightly off. I don't want to go into too much detail on it but it feels like DGB is doing a different playstyle this game which is the <> thing. I don't like meta much unless a player has shown they're incapable of surpressing their meta tells.

LMAO! I want to eliminate

Dwlee

today,

OMO

tomorrow,

want to keep them alive to torture

VOTE: Dwlee

Anyways VOTE: max
Dwlee scum doesnt incite me to hammer their partner there.
Thats a t3 move not a dwlee move

Also im not miller, i dont wanna ruin ppls mech solves. Was just playing around with fakrclaming a non vt pr cuz i always like to do that in games.

Called it.

Always scrutinize freakin Miller claims.

VOTE: omo

Mix policy and scum pings and Roden dead

Pedit lmao no

VOTE: Max
I'll just plop my vote here cause idk if they even gave an opinion on dgb

VOTE: unvote

VOTE: Max

im fucking killing this english work btw

I have concluded... you did not derail the roden wagon. Roden's interactions with me and manatee are why I stopped SRing him.

However, it does seem that you came to the same conclusion though, and I remember when I read that string of posts that it reinforced my TR on you when I saw you had posted what I was thinking.

In rereading, I'm noticing manatee, omo, and I all seem to have concluded Roden was town. But dwlee does not. Instead he says hes having trouble reading people so he's sheeping and follows me to titus.

What are your reads dwlee?
VOTE: Dwlee99

I stand by my meta-read on Dwlee (town, he was more talkative as scum IIRC) and my general SR on omo.

VOTE: omo

Roden asked me a question and I answered it. What's wrong with my response?

Wait, I misread the situation! For some reason I thought you voted

DGB

, then kept telling you're unsure

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: OMO

[T3]

Votecount:

• MaxTheFox (4): omo, Dwlee99, ManateeDude, Salsabil Faria
  omo (2): MaxTheFox
  Dwlee99 (2): ssbm_Kyouko, Titus

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-08-02 11:22:01).
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

targeting babysitter is dangerous no matter what and im of the belief mafia missed my soft

It seems that way but it could easily be scum that

ignored

your crumb to make it appear that they missed it.

Missed the crumb:
{Max (newb), Salsa (English as a second language), Not_Mafia (not_reading)}

Ignored the crumb:
{Dwlee, omo, Titus, MathBlade}

Marci/Geraint, I don't feel confident putting them in either category. Either way, I think if one scum missed the crumb they both did.

pedit: these wagons are giving me the spooks. omo and dwlee voting together, and Max and Salsa voting together, cross-voting
TvS wagons I think.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: dwlee yay it's not dead - do think it's possible dwlee is intentionally associating himself with omo as the sheeping is always unidirectional.

[T3]

, fixing VC.

[T3]

Votecount:

• MaxTheFox (6): omo, Dwlee99, ManateeDude, Salsabil Faria, ssbm_Kyouko, marcistar
  omo (2): MaxTheFox, Titus
  Salsabil Faria (1): MathBlade

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-08-02 11:22:01).
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: Owo
I think I like my vote here based on day play and will help me figure out if we are in scum Owo land or if we are in town Owo land which then has drastic consequences for the game as a whole imho

In fact,

VOTE: owo

Feel more confident here than Dwlee atm.

I said im lurking. salsa what r ur thoughts on max rn? you lay down a vote but im curious how serious it was

Said already, I think her lurking in this game is scum indicative, the vote on her is moderately serious. Like

Math

, I also think now we have at least one deepwolf (considering both

Dwlee

and

OMO

are town).

u said u think im town, so who does that leave as the deepwolf?
"considering both dwlee and omo are town" how do you know that..?

What if it’s

Max

and

geraintm

? 2 lurkers

i do think geraintm has a decent chance of being scum here, but max im kinda unsure on.

pedit: these wagons are giving me the spooks. omo and dwlee voting together, and Max and Salsa voting together, cross-voting
TvS wagons I think.

i dont think scum would wanna wagon together so openly. do you think they would?

1-5 Maricstar omo dynamic is interesting. Marci might be a wagon to save owo.

didn't think of this originally.

Looking at this VC here, assuming Titus town, I know I am town, then if there is scum in the wagon it is in Marci/Kyo/owo if the wagons are TvT as I suspect then a Marci Kyo wagon pops up again. I coulda sworn Kyo was the first voter on DGB though I am going to have to reread that.

i voted drippinggoofballs slot early on (i think in the first few pages..? not sure exactly) and just never moved off.


- -

out of 1333s vc,
i dont think owo would be a good move, they've felt generally towny to me this game.

max is a good vote, im not sure if i exactly trust theyre vt rn.
so is dwlee, they could be doing a lot more but they aren't doing much.

i really really really want geraintm today to give us stuff, they better not slide by like a slipperly snake

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Hey Titus, how do you feel about flash wagon part two?

Marci brings up a good point and if y’all are all town and I am just paranoid then Faria is just buddying the shit out of me and I am wrong.

Didn't catch up fully but my reads are formed, might as well.

Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me

Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.

What discussion have you been doing until page 10? Most of your posts up to that point were, as I said, question-dodges. What town intent could this possibly have? But honestly it's early and I'm not locking onto you yet. Do better.

Reads:

TOWN BIN

MaxTheFox - I'm town.
Salsabil - good tone and trying to solve the game early = town in my eyes.

TOWN LEAN

Saudade - at first I didn't like their tone but I don't really see scum being likely to be so nonchalant, if that's the right word.
Manatee - gut read. Trust me on this.
Not_Mafia - yes he is a troll but at the same time it looks like he's actually contributing and trying to solve. Unlike the other Miltank avatar in the game...

NULL

Everyone else, expect another list later in day 1 when there is more content.

SCUM LEAN

omo - trolled in an useless way, dodged questions, picked up the slack in the last page which is why I'm not binning them as scum,
DGB (Looker) - another gut read. I'll let DGB post before voting them though.

SCUM BIN

Nobody yet.

Reads (this is sorted within tiers):

TOWN BIN

MaxTheFox - I'm town.
MathBlade (this was Saudade) - his attempts at solving earn him a lot of good boy points.
Salsabil - kept up the good tone.

TOWN LEAN

Manatee - gut read remains.
Not_Mafia - read stayed.
Dwlee - 50% meta read on this, dubious, I'm not locked onto this in any way.

NULL

marcistar - barely there. Lurker.
ssbm - just generally doesn't ping me as

anything

.
Titus - same.

SCUM LEAN

geraintm - suggested no-lim day 1 which is usually considered a bad idea. Also lurking.

SCUM BIN

omo - see the previous list, except their accusation of a scumclaim is serious now apparently.

---

It's easier for me to townread than scumread people, I found.

Weewooweewoo sound the alarms
VOTE: Max

In actuality I skimmed her iso in the other games she posted and I think this is clearly scum!Max.

VOTE: maxthefox

[T3]

MaxTheFox was eliminated. She was a Vanilla Townie.
Night 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-07-30 10:54:01).

[T3]

Because I have (yet another ) debate round at deadline I will start day early.

[T3]

Titus died in the night. She was a Town Babysitter.
omo died in the night. They were a Vanilla Townie.
geraintm is publicly confirmed by the moderator to be town.

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not Voting (8): All

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

[T3]

Votecount:

• Dwlee99 (1): Salsabil Faria

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Personally I think Marci fits the VCA a lot better.

It explains why the wagon stalled. Marci had a lag vote on DGB she planned to move then boom Kyo wagons DGB out of no where and she can’t move it.

Then the rest of us hurry on with the flash wagon and her partner can’t move.

It’s possible that Marci is town and Kyo is a deep wolf but I think it’s more likely Marci here.

VOTE: Marci

Kyo/you/omo but omo is dead now.

VOTE: Unvote

Damn couple things missing here for sure.

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

Wait, I forget about

Not_Mafia

....

Dwlee

's green flip will show the scumteam of

Marci

&

Not_Mafia

.
I'm more sure about

Marci

now than

Dwlee

(want to consider

Omo

's read here), so I'm switching my vote...

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

Salsa > Marci > Kyo (except Kyo gives me the deepwolg heebie jeebies)

Ok,

Dwlee

is scum! Partner is either

Marci

or

Not_Mafia

.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Dwlee

Final vote of today!

[T3]

The prod timer resets during the night and will be clarified in the OP.

[T3]

Please don't spam.

[T3]

I will be vla for 6 days. During this time ArcAngel9 may have to step in and do moderation duties in my place.

[T3]

I will be vla for 6 days. During this time ArcAngel9 may have to step in and do moderation duties in my place.

Turns out I'll have internet. Ignore this.

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not_Mafia (2): MathBlade, geraintm
  Dwlee99 (1): Salsabil Faria

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Personally I think Marci fits the VCA a lot better.

It explains why the wagon stalled. Marci had a lag vote on DGB she planned to move then boom Kyo wagons DGB out of no where and she can’t move it.

Then the rest of us hurry on with the flash wagon and her partner can’t move.

It’s possible that Marci is town and Kyo is a deep wolf but I think it’s more likely Marci here.

VOTE: Marci

Kyo/you/omo but omo is dead now.

VOTE: Unvote

Damn couple things missing here for sure.

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

Wait, I forget about

Not_Mafia

....

Dwlee

's green flip will show the scumteam of

Marci

&

Not_Mafia

.
I'm more sure about

Marci

now than

Dwlee

(want to consider

Omo

's read here), so I'm switching my vote...

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

Salsa > Marci > Kyo (except Kyo gives me the deepwolg heebie jeebies)

Ok,

Dwlee

is scum! Partner is either

Marci

or

Not_Mafia

.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Dwlee

Final vote of today!

I'll edit the votes since last votecount when I'm not on mobile.

[/quote]

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not_Mafia (3): MathBlade, geraintm, Dwlee99
  Salsabil Faria (2): Salsabil Faria, Not_Mafia
  Dwlee99 (1): ssbm_Kyouko

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Personally I think Marci fits the VCA a lot better.

It explains why the wagon stalled. Marci had a lag vote on DGB she planned to move then boom Kyo wagons DGB out of no where and she can’t move it.

Then the rest of us hurry on with the flash wagon and her partner can’t move.

It’s possible that Marci is town and Kyo is a deep wolf but I think it’s more likely Marci here.

VOTE: Marci

Kyo/you/omo but omo is dead now.

VOTE: Unvote

Damn couple things missing here for sure.

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

Wait, I forget about

Not_Mafia

....

Dwlee

's green flip will show the scumteam of

Marci

&

Not_Mafia

.
I'm more sure about

Marci

now than

Dwlee

(want to consider

Omo

's read here), so I'm switching my vote...

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

Salsa > Marci > Kyo (except Kyo gives me the deepwolg heebie jeebies)

Ok,

Dwlee

is scum! Partner is either

Marci

or

Not_Mafia

.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Dwlee

Final vote of today!

I'll edit the votes since last votecount when I'm not on mobile.

[/quote][/quote]

VOTE: NM

VOTE: Unvote

I don’t like Dwlee’s naked hop on after having had plenty of time to do a VC or react to cases.

I just can’t tell if this is lazy Dwlee or scum Dwlee. I probably will be busy most of today but will read as I can.

If there is a vigilante or any town killing role I put the odds that "babysitter" is scum north of 80%, regardless of Titus' scummy day play.

VOTE: dwlee

Dwlee/N_M last 2 scum

Ok

Dwlee

, I

think

I can believe you for a short time

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.

Marci

is saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.

ssbm

still town to me, that left:

Dwlee

Not_Mafia

Math

You can go for in this order tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

I know there’s a lot of words and stuff I am supposed to read since work just ended I am just not feeling it.

I think we should do NM today since he’s not playing. If y’all feel more confident in a read do it. I just don’t.

VOTE: Not Mafia

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not_Mafia (4): MathBlade, geraintm, Dwlee99, Salsabil Faria
  Dwlee99 (2): ssbm_Kyouko, Not_Mafia

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Personally I think Marci fits the VCA a lot better.

It explains why the wagon stalled. Marci had a lag vote on DGB she planned to move then boom Kyo wagons DGB out of no where and she can’t move it.

Then the rest of us hurry on with the flash wagon and her partner can’t move.

It’s possible that Marci is town and Kyo is a deep wolf but I think it’s more likely Marci here.

VOTE: Marci

Kyo/you/omo but omo is dead now.

VOTE: Unvote

Damn couple things missing here for sure.

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

Wait, I forget about

Not_Mafia

....

Dwlee

's green flip will show the scumteam of

Marci

&

Not_Mafia

.
I'm more sure about

Marci

now than

Dwlee

(want to consider

Omo

's read here), so I'm switching my vote...

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

Salsa > Marci > Kyo (except Kyo gives me the deepwolg heebie jeebies)

Ok,

Dwlee

is scum! Partner is either

Marci

or

Not_Mafia

.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Dwlee

Final vote of today!

I'll edit the votes since last votecount when I'm not on mobile.

[/quote][/quote]

Spoiler:

VOTE: NM

VOTE: Unvote

I don’t like Dwlee’s naked hop on after having had plenty of time to do a VC or react to cases.

I just can’t tell if this is lazy Dwlee or scum Dwlee. I probably will be busy most of today but will read as I can.

If there is a vigilante or any town killing role I put the odds that "babysitter" is scum north of 80%, regardless of Titus' scummy day play.

VOTE: dwlee

Dwlee/N_M last 2 scum

Ok

Dwlee

, I

think

I can believe you for a short time

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.

Marci

is saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.

ssbm

still town to me, that left:

Dwlee

Not_Mafia

Math

You can go for in this order tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

I know there’s a lot of words and stuff I am supposed to read since work just ended I am just not feeling it.

I think we should do NM today since he’s not playing. If y’all feel more confident in a read do it. I just don’t.

VOTE: Not Mafia

[/quote]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

Thanks for the scum claim, who are you trying to save?
Btw, don't remember if I say this already but I don’t buy your

I can read

geraintm

read, it’s sounded TMI. And at that point, if you could really read them correctly (while they were not active that much iirr), then you

should

read me properly too, because you were the mod in one of my scum games and you played with town!me in several game as both alignment. Yes, I change my play style recently but why scum!me will play like this, what benefit I'm having rn?

TL;DR you're scum!

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: geraintm

I always vote self voters

VOTE: geraintm

VOTE: geraintm

VOTE: not mafia

Voting an innocent child....scummy behaviour

VOTE: dwlww

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not_Mafia (5): MathBlade, geraintm, Dwlee99, Salsabil Faria, ssbm_Kyouko
  Dwlee99 (1): Not_Mafia
  Salsabil Faria (1): ManateeDude

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Personally I think Marci fits the VCA a lot better.

It explains why the wagon stalled. Marci had a lag vote on DGB she planned to move then boom Kyo wagons DGB out of no where and she can’t move it.

Then the rest of us hurry on with the flash wagon and her partner can’t move.

It’s possible that Marci is town and Kyo is a deep wolf but I think it’s more likely Marci here.

VOTE: Marci

Kyo/you/omo but omo is dead now.

VOTE: Unvote

Damn couple things missing here for sure.

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

Wait, I forget about

Not_Mafia

....

Dwlee

's green flip will show the scumteam of

Marci

&

Not_Mafia

.
I'm more sure about

Marci

now than

Dwlee

(want to consider

Omo

's read here), so I'm switching my vote...

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

Salsa > Marci > Kyo (except Kyo gives me the deepwolg heebie jeebies)

Ok,

Dwlee

is scum! Partner is either

Marci

or

Not_Mafia

.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Dwlee

Final vote of today!

I'll edit the votes since last votecount when I'm not on mobile.

[/quote][/quote]

Spoiler:

VOTE: NM

VOTE: Unvote

I don’t like Dwlee’s naked hop on after having had plenty of time to do a VC or react to cases.

I just can’t tell if this is lazy Dwlee or scum Dwlee. I probably will be busy most of today but will read as I can.

If there is a vigilante or any town killing role I put the odds that "babysitter" is scum north of 80%, regardless of Titus' scummy day play.

VOTE: dwlee

Dwlee/N_M last 2 scum

Ok

Dwlee

, I

think

I can believe you for a short time

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.

Marci

is saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.

ssbm

still town to me, that left:

Dwlee

Not_Mafia

Math

You can go for in this order tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

I know there’s a lot of words and stuff I am supposed to read since work just ended I am just not feeling it.

I think we should do NM today since he’s not playing. If y’all feel more confident in a read do it. I just don’t.

VOTE: Not Mafia

[/quote]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

Thanks for the scum claim, who are you trying to save?
Btw, don't remember if I say this already but I don’t buy your

I can read

geraintm

read, it’s sounded TMI. And at that point, if you could really read them correctly (while they were not active that much iirr), then you

should

read me properly too, because you were the mod in one of my scum games and you played with town!me in several game as both alignment. Yes, I change my play style recently but why scum!me will play like this, what benefit I'm having rn?

TL;DR you're scum!

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: geraintm

I always vote self voters

VOTE: geraintm

VOTE: geraintm

VOTE: not mafia

Voting an innocent child....scummy behaviour

VOTE: dwlww

[/quote]

Spoiler:

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Dwlee

Reason? Top scumread

Hmm...

I just opened all of MathBlade's replaced-into games for the past 2 years. I'd estimate there are about 15 of them but wasn't counting the total.

Every town game, except one, he replaces in calmly (no exclamation points in his intro). There was one exception where he rolled mason, Mini 2179.
In about half of his scum games, (again an estimate, but there were 3 exceptions) he replaces in with an exclamation point in his intro. The exceptions are games where he replaced in later into the game, BooneyToonz XV - post 1395, and mystery box of silver 10 - post 2899, and Calculasia, where he replaced in early, but his intro post is not his normal intro of "hi everyone" or "hi awesome people" + "catching up" or "skimming" or "point me in the right direction". It is a post about how he likes math and doesn't follow his normal pattern when replacing in.

Considering every time he was town he did NOT have an exclamation point except once, and there are many more town than scum games to examine, I'd say the lack of an exclamation point is not AI, but the presence of one is a hard scumtell.
VOTE: MathBlade

Disregard my exclamation point point

VOTE: dwlee

The first time I went through I was looking at Math's whole ego and clicking what looked like Games, then when I went to get quotes I did an advanced search for Author "MathBlade" Return results as "Post Topics" and Search Forums under "Mafia Games" to filter out all the other topics I was sifting through visually the first time.

I've already found 2 towngames in the first 4 or so I opened that have exclamation points, so the presence is not AI after all

VOTE: dwlee

i think

VOTE: N_M

satisfactory dwlee response

VOTE: salsa

VOTE: Salsa

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Not_Mafia

@

Marci

! no! one! is! at! E-1! so! you! can! vote! anyone! who! you! want!

Alright, we got

something

out of Salsa/Marci toward the end at least. I still have the feeling this is going to flip town though.

VOTE: N_M

VOTE: salsa

The hammer don't happen yet ig...

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: ssbm

[T3]

Not_Mafia was eliminated. He was a Mafia Goon.
Night 3 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-08-07 11:48:01).

[T3]

geraintm died in the night. He was a Town Day 3 Innocent Child.

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not voting: All players

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-08-14 17:26:01).
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

[T3]

Votecount:

• ssbm_Kyouko (1): MathBlade, Salsabil Faria
  Salsabil Faria (1): ManateeDude

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-08-14 17:26:01).
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

[T3]

Votecount:

• Salsabil Faria (4): ManateeDude, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade, Salsabil Faria

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-08-14 17:26:01).
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

[T3]

Salsabil Faria was eliminated. She was a Vanilla Townie.
Night 4 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-08-11 16:12:30).

[T3]

Fast night has been achieved.
ManateeDude died in the night. She was a Town Friendly Neighbor.

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not voting (4): All players

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-08-17 15:53:01).
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

[T3]

Votecount:

• No elimination (1): Dwlee99

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-08-17 15:53:01).
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

[T3]

This has not been clarified in the rules, but when there are 3 consecutive day/night phases without any action from the mafia andno elimination the game will end and everyone will lose.

[T3]

Is that day AND night or day OR night.

And.

[T3]

To further clarify: no lim no kill no lim no kill no lim no kill would result in everyone losing.

[T3]

@T3 isn't no lim hammered?

No.

[T3]

Or @T3 can you come up with some kind of compromise so we dont have to wait over 3 weeks to finish this if scum decide to no kill? Maybe allow 50% to hammer no lim once 50% of the day deadline has passed or something so we can finish a bit quicker?

I really don't want to make new rules that could affect the natural flow of the game bu from now, votes are reset and it takes 50% to no lim.

[T3]

Votecount:

• No elimination (2): ssbm_kyouko, Dwlee99

Day 5 will end in (expired on 2021-08-17 15:53:01).
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate and 2 to no eliminate.

[T3]

No one was eliminated.
Night 5 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-08-15 19:57:01).

[T3]

marcistar died in the night. She was a Vanilla Townie.

[T3]

Votecount:

• Not voting (3): All players

Day 6 will end in (expired on 2021-08-22 16:12:01).
With 3 alive, it takes 2 to eliminate and 2 to no eliminate.

[T3]

Votecount:

• MathBlade (1): ssbm_Kyouko
  ssbm_Kyouko (1): MathBlade

Day 6 will end in (expired on 2021-08-22 16:12:01).
With 3 alive, it takes 2 to eliminate and 2 to no eliminate.

[T3]

Votecount:

• MathBlade (1): ssbm_Kyouko
  ssbm_Kyouko (1): MathBlade

Day 6 will end in (expired on 2021-08-22 16:12:01).
With 3 alive, it takes 2 to eliminate and 2 to no eliminate.

[T3]

MathBlade was eliminated. He was a Mafia Goon.
The town has won!

[T3]

Isis suggested I should use Day 2 IC in place of a Universal Backup [my original design had a Mafia Neapolitan also]

[T3]

Reminds me of OMB where I incorrectly believed a softed cop inno in MELO and it happened to work out that the player actually was town.

That was me on an alt lol

[T3]

I was an idiot with the looker force replace

[T3]

You just have an evolved sense of humor