Mafia 83 - Game Ended Scum Win!

[Xtoxm]

Vote K7

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Let's not talk about ongoing games, thnx...

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I had him pegged in the second one...

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I think it's ok. Not much going on anyway.

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I was actually talking to Tovarish, about the disagree with playstyle thing.

But if I hadn't, what's the problem with that?

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I'd say Chronic lurker is someone who lurks every game, Full-Throttle lurker refers to a Chronic lurker who is at the height of his lurkiness.

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Well, pretty much what I said.

Is K7 really a chronic lurker?

Yes.

[Xtoxm]

May as well get rid of him Day One, no?

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Lol. Good luck

[Xtoxm]

Yes, I believe so.

This is sexual, right?

[Xtoxm]

It was a joke.

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So, Xtoxm, do you have any comments about anyone yet? Any positions on issues you'd like to take?

Not really that I haven't said already. What are you looking for?

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I wouldn't disagree with that.

But also not much is really happening yet...The only thing really is the lurker thing. I am generally pro attacking lurkers, but recently I've been through a phase where i've been lurking myself, for various reasons. There's a difference between lurking and not contributing...K7 generally falls into the latter category, in my experience. But my vote still doesn't have anything behind it, really.

[Xtoxm]

It's the same for almost everyone...

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Lol, it took me a few seconds to realise what you were talking about. That game had a poor mod. And I wasn't really ever annoyed at you, I just thought you were scum. I was very frustrated by the cop's play, though. But that's not really related to this.

Games that start out slow tend to be painfull

Mm, yeh.

Maybe MK can pull this off...

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On page 1? I don't believe anyone could really believe a wagon on page one is liekly to lead to a lynch.

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I don't think multiple scum groups are allowed in Normal games? At any rate, for a game this size, 3 scum is what i'd expect. Maybe an SK too.

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Ok, well i've never heard of it, and it doesn't sound very Normal to me.

And I didn't answer for Jebus, she is still fully capable of answerinf herself. I didn't say "Jebus said it because [this]", I just gave my opinion.

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Actually, come to think of it, I have done this before, and had someone get annoyed at me. Sorry. Wasn't trying to answer for Jebus, lol.

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Went back and checked my game where someone attacked me for answering for someone else, cause I had the feeling it was scum...But it was actually a townie. Probably not much we can get from that but just something I thought worth mentioning.

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I doubt it tbh. Generally it's 16-20 players for a scumgroup of 4...3:1 ratio and all that. But it is possible.

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Could you explain where you see that post as saying Jebus knows how many scum there are?

Sure. Jebus's first post mentioning her thoughts about the scum team:

A semi-educated guess as to this games mafia would be BM, Reclusion, and Yaw, though I doubt that'd really lead to much.

The above quote implies a three-person scum team.

I'd have to disagree on that, actually. I sometimes state that I think the mafia are X and Y when I think there are 3, just because I don't know who else could be a part of that group.

I see what you mean, but Jebus's comment did kinda sound to me like she was naming who she thought all the mafia were. The "this games mafia" I think is what does it. But I don't think it's all that important.

My opinions so far the only thing really, i'm not getting a good feeling from Hasd. I'm not sure why. But I do always seem to struggle to get good reads on Hasd. Scum could well be trying to lie low, too. I've been yelled for starting lurker hunts too early before though...

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Would it be a good idea for everyone to claim how many mafia they think are in the game? I think it could help some. Like if everyone thinks there's 3, or 4..?

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Well, in the least it tells us how many scum each person are saying they're looking for. And also, I was thinking it might lead scum into revealing their group size.

Also, you imply it would be useful on subsequent days.

How would it be useful later on, but not today?

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Ugh, Cult would be annoying...I liked cults when I first started playing, but I really don't like the changing alignment thing. Cults should be open games only

And I didn't assume idiocy.

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Yeh, why the hell would you say who you thought was scum? I've never seen that before. Jebus has gotta be scum...

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You shouldn't underestimate BM. He's tough and everyone who attacks him has to admit after a while how great he is.

Not really.

xtoxm, I meant that as far as I know, he started talking about it without someone asking him. And that at the start of day 1.

I see nothing wrong with that. You other point is valid though, imo.

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And BM appears to be lurking, by his standards.

My 100% realiable meta of 1 game says BM-lurker = Scum.

Unvote Vote BM

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Lol.

BM's usually a disappointment. I thought I was dying to get a scum killed, but no. BM was just being an ass.

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We're both dead in an ongoing game, but I still can't reference anything...When said game is finished i'll do so...

It's not much important anyway...Unless said incident recurrs, lol.

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I believe prods are issued automatically this one...But if not, add BM to that list

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I haven't pushed "lynch all lurkers" for a while now...Truth is I went through a phase of it myself...It wasn't lurking as such, but infrequent, large posting. He does raise a good point though. Personally, I think Netman isn't lurking, but is away. He's new, and I think he's probably flaked and will get replaced. There's only really K7 who always does it, everyone else seems to be here, with a ? over BM.

So, actually there might not be too much to be gained from that, thinking about it.

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I think Netman is just as worthy, if not more so, of that honour, SSK.

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Welcome Qwints.

Iam might have a point, it does seem to be contradictive, but I didn't find it scummy when I first saw it.

I do agree that i've not been getting a good feel from Hasd.

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Welcome Qwints.

Iam might have a point, it does seem to be contradictive, but I didn't find it scummy when I first saw it.

I do agree that i've not been getting a good feel from Hasd.

Could you explain that not good feeling or do you just like agreeing with people who have no reasoning without even giving your reasoning.

I mentioned this early before BM said anything about you. It's hard for me to point out something particular, it's just a general feeling i've been getting from you.

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*Earlier

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Just to let you all know, I am V/LA now.

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Hey guys - This is going to be my last post for about 10 days. Can't check new posts right now, about to go out, see friends for the last time etc

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Uhh..Hi guys. Post.

Got internet at uni now, so hopefully should be able to start playing properly again!

Still V/LA officially for now.

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I don't think it's fair to run up a bandwagon on someone who's V/LA with an upcoming deadline

LOL I couldn't disagree more!!! But yeh you rock.

Self protecting doctor...? Heh.

Try to check stuffs proply in the morning...

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Vote Alvinz

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I

have

been getting a bad feeling from Hasd, but I don't like what Panzer said at all. The mafia are a much bigger threat than an SK, and should be sought before the SK. It is beneficial for the mafia to have the SK lynched. There could still be 3 left, given the game size. Also, Iam's death scene looks like lover suicide and SK kill to me, I think it's worth mentioning.

Vote Panzer

Also, I think I believe Jebus. By looks of it, either she's telling the truth, or mafia NKed to try and strengthen the claim, and I don't think mafia would waste a kill like that, really.

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I think it is quite likely there is a SK present. If you look at the scenes, Yaw was "Stuck to a flagpole". This is SK kill flavour, and it is evidently not the mafia's kill.

Now, last night, BM was "Shot". I think it is a fair assumption that this was the mafia's work. But that's not much important.

Iam was "stabbed", clearly his own doing, by the flavour, AND drowned. It looks very much like Iam was killed both by himself, and this SK. From the flavour alone, I do not believe it can be a vig, not in a Normal game...On top of that, though, both these kills targets were vocal the day before they died.

But like I said, SK is not the primary concern.

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I think I know what you're implying there.

Unvote

If Hasd is SK, then although we need to get rid of him, he essentially counts as a mislynch, in terms of finding mafia.

With a dead mafia RB, it's probably a pretty easy claim to test...

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Yeh, I agree, I think a full claim is best.

What it looks like he's implying to me is that he tracked has to Iam, or the other SK kill.

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There is no SK, I'm quite sure.

Night 1 - No kill, I saved Chaz.
Night 2 - A lover is killed, and his/her partner dies (which is part of the role).

No SK here :/

I have already explained.

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I think we need some prods...

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You have already claimed an information role. Why don't you want to make a full claim?

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I think this game is slowly dying...

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Lol. I guess not.

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Eh?

How does that make Hasd SK?

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My point is that if we have a known sk, we should lynch them. That doesn't mean we should focus our efforts on finding the sk before the mafia, just that we should lynch known scum.

Yes, I pretty much agree with this. It does have to be removed for town to win, and it's absense is one less kill a night. But if unknown, the larger scum team should be sought.

I also fail to see how Panzer's claim would in any way make Cow SK.

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Hmm...About the protective roles topic, it varies massively between games, that it's really hard to make an estimate. For example, i've seen (atleast one) games with no protective roles, and another I played in had about 6 or 7. Those are pretty much the extremes, but just to illustrate the point.

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Stabbed through the heart

and then

drowned in a lake

Although SSK was (probably intentionly) vague, I still think this was a double kill.

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117 - makes an assumption there is a serial killer?

Generally vigs don't kill the most active players by sticking them on flagpoles.

The death flavour, this being a Normal game, means it's an SK.

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Current read: more scummy than town. Content has been low, but does match some previous experience with him. Will need to meta to determine if it is consistent or varies with alignment. Did have a V/LA mixed in.

Other than that, I fail to see how you can say i've been low content.

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I repsonded to that as soon as I saw it, before I read the next part.

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Not to give him an out, but SSK said "has" replaced directly after he posted the scene. I think he could have sent an action himself.

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Welcome.

I weighed it up, but I really couldn't see him saying "You got me" rather than simply saying he sent it himself. So just saying I don't see it as a point against him basically.

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When I read it sounded kinda past tense to me.

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Not really. Well not as I said it as such necessarily but anything else would be pretty much tantamount to it, no?

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I checked SSK's isolation when I said that, I didn't realise there were other posts in between. I think that does make my point null, actually.

I was thinking that even if he was faking, he wouldn't have overlooked something like that, but I can't really see anything that backs him up now.

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That's a reasonable assumption. I can see myself doing that.

Panzer's looking worse and worse in my eyes.

Vote Panzer

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sorry for lack of posting, id like to hear from panzer regarding his claim.

And in the meantime, I really want to hear your opinions on the other players.

I wouldn't count on it, lol.

I support him being replaced. He's just going to lurk to endgame again...

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Note: K7, i'm sorry if you feel i've got something personal against you - I don't. I only attack you because you never play, you just lurk, and I find it very frustrating.

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...Have you not been following..?

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What do you make of the night-actions?

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You're not paying attention.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 17#1319217

He said this after Panzer claimed to know what his role did N1.

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Well, I can't see a way it works.

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Finding it hard to see Panzer as town right now.

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I believe the claim, but having 1 knowing the other's town and the other not doesn't sound right. I've never seen that before, it's either been both know they're both inno, or both don't know about the other. I think that's kind of incriminating on Reclusion.

I'd say there's either 2 or 3 mafia left, but 1 SK + 3 Maf sounds like it'd fit for a 15 player game...5 scum sounds a bit harsh. Definately won't be only 1 maf left...

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Been a bit busy recently. Not that much has gone on as far as I can tell.

Well I am going to

Vote Reclusion

. Not seen conflicting knowledge of partners alignment before, and wouldn't expect it in a Normal.

[Xtoxm]

Been a bit busy recently. Not that much has gone on as far as I can tell.

Well I am going to Vote Reclusion. Not seen conflicting knowledge of partners alignment before, and wouldn't expect it in a Normal.

So you are basing your vote entirely on the fact you have not seen this before and it makes it possible for reclusion to be scum? What other actions lead you to this conclusion?

That is information enough by itself.

Why WOULD there be a role you hadn't met before in a Normal. There wouldn't. That role wouldn't make a Normal game.

If a cop claims a guilty on someone, and all previous games the cop has been sane, is it not a fair assumption that this cop is sane too? [does not refer to this sites Normal games]

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Not alternating masons.

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Because Qwints can only be scum if both are scum, and even if Rec is I doubt it, because it wouldn't say scum mason on death, confirming Qwints scum.

Fair enough. Doesn't clear her.

Why are you defending her so hard?

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I'd be ok with a lynch. Being that Reclusion is mason it removes the possibility that she is SK (or atleast, I think it's safe to assume that), and I can see the mod having the unconfirmed mason as scum for the second time he does it.

I've had a bad feeling about Hasd all game, but he's looking better lately.

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If I think someone is scum, what difference does it make if they are here or not?

Already claimed, too.

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If she flips scum mason qwintz is clear. And I can't see him faking this, if scum are going to fakeclaim mason they may aswell claim confirmed innoocence as if one dies the other is caught. Can't see Qwintz being scum, and he looks good to me anyway.

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Unvote Vote K7

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If any of the unclaimed had a role, it would have come out yesterday...

At any rate, i'm vanilla.

I've got my idea of scum...

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If we are both pretty sure of Xtoxm being scum, let's vote him. He is posting in all his other games, but avoiding this one. I don't really care which one of the two get lynched today out of Xtoxm and Has since I am pretty convinced on both of them.

I don't see not voting for Panzer as a sign of him being town. I see it more as a sign of scum knowing somebody is town and seeing he will get lynched anyway.

That's just a blatant lie. I haven't posted in half my games for a week. I'm posting in the ones that are interesting me most.

Vote Bio

As he's voting me this is the only option anyway.

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You're either scum, or you're town and scum win by lynching me. What I think doesn't matter.

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That's just BS.

OMGUS is the ONLY thing anyone can do, and SHOULD do in lylo.

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Unvote Vote Xtoxm

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Well done Bio nice one!

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Heh.

I knew you were SK too, wastrying to avoid getting you lynched.

Only hammered like that cos I was scum.

And with the self-hammer, what I was hoping it would look like was me saying "Ok, Bio is town, and I can't see him being mislynched, so i'm protecting one of the other's".

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Btw:

http://www.quicktopic.com/42/H/M9ySvv9rmx2wu

I so nearly posted the link to an ongoing game's scum talk by accident :s