Mafia 83 - Game Ended Scum Win!

[bionicchop2]

I'm a mason. I won't tell who my buddy is or any other details, unless I'm asked to and my buddy doesn't mind.

We know your buddy and we know some details. This is a cross check to make sure both stories coincide.

[qwints]

Lawrencelot, as I've told you. I already claimed that we 2 are the masons and that you know I'm town, but I don't know your alignment.

Please confirm this.

[hasdgfas]

Lawrencelot, as I've told you. I already claimed that we 2 are the masons and that you know I'm town, but I don't know your alignment.

Please confirm this.

/headdesk

FoS: qwints

[qwints]

???

I've already made the claim in thread. I've already messaged it to him. In what scenario does this make me more likely to be scum?

[hasdgfas]

???

I've already made the claim in thread. I've already messaged it to him. In what scenario does this make me more likely to be scum?

I will answer this after Lawrence answers.

[Lawrencelot]

Lawrencelot, as I've told you. I already claimed that we 2 are the masons and that you know I'm town, but I don't know your alignment.

Please confirm this.

This is true

[hasdgfas]

Now, can anyone tell me why what qwints said is scummy, before I say why?

[qwints]

While Haz waits to tell us what I've done wrong...

Anybody want to comment on my attack on xtoxm? His hammering yesterday could be seen as additional evidence of being scum.

[bionicchop2]

Now, can anyone tell me why what qwints said is scummy, before I say why?

It could be seen as scummy if he wasn't obvious town. In order to convince me he is scum, you have to convince me he meta'd the mod and found a role he has used in his games before, but no other mods typically do.

[bionicchop2]

While Haz waits to tell us what I've done wrong...

Anybody want to comment on my attack on xtoxm? His hammering yesterday could be seen as additional evidence of being scum.

I think my opinion of Xtoxm is pretty clear. Would be nice if he would return since he is in most of my games.

I disagree on the hammer part even though I think he is scum, because I would have hammered if my vote wasn't already there. Asking for unvotes so you can claim seems to be the new trend for scum.

[qwints]

I've re-read Hascow and I'm not sure what to think. xtoxm's actions line up with hazcow being a scum partner better than any player, and hazcow has criticized xtoxm several times, but never voted him. BUT, there are 2 key pro-town facts in hazcow's favor:

1. He tried to put the breaks on the panzer lynch. We now know that Panzer was mistaken on Day 3 when he claimed to have blocked a kill from hazcow. Hazcow, as eitehr town or scum, knew it then. He almost certainly could have gotten away with pushing the lynch of a town power role harder than he did.

2. We also know that Panzer blocked Hazcow on N2 without stopping the mafia kill. That means Hazcow did not send in the mafia kill on N2. Of course, xtoxm could have sent in the kill (he posted during the night), and Hazcow had been attracting more attention than xtomx, but Hazcow seems the more assertive of the two.

Then there is his voting history - which I can't get a read on.
Day 1:
vote: Ya
unvote, vote alvinz
unvote, vote Netman
unvote, vote: Jebus
unvote, vote Alvinz
unvote, vote Netman

Day 2
vote: alvinz [incredibly scummy]

Day 3
no vote

Day 4
vote : killa seven [megalurking, at deadline]

Not a single possibly controversial vote since day 1. I honestly don't know what to make of this fact.

[bionicchop2]

If we are both pretty sure of Xtoxm being scum, let's vote him. He is posting in all his other games, but avoiding this one. I don't really care which one of the two get lynched today out of Xtoxm and Has since I am pretty convinced on both of them.

I don't see not voting for Panzer as a sign of him being town. I see it more as a sign of scum knowing somebody is town and seeing he will get lynched anyway.

[qwints]

Ok. I'm fine with voting xtoxm, but I want to wait for Lawrencelot's take on it.

Hazcow didn't just not vote for panzer. He actively campaigned against the lynch. If it hadn't been for the mod's post implying panzer had lied then we might not have lynched panzer. Not proof positive, but certainly pro-town.

[bionicchop2]

Hazcow didn't just not vote for panzer. He actively campaigned against the lynch. If it hadn't been for the mod's post implying panzer had lied then we might not have lynched panzer. Not proof positive, but certainly pro-town.

When evidence points to something being true and someone argues the other side, it often means they have more information than the others. Mafia have every incentive to argue for keeping a town player alive, especially in the situation we are discussing.

[bionicchop2]

Also, I am going to

vote xtoxm

now. As a minimum it will force him to address this game.

[qwints]

Well, I'll vote once the others have a chance to react to your vote. I think xtoxm and hascow are the most likely scum team, but there's no need to risk a quick-lynch.

If xtoxm doesn't post in the next 24 hours, I will vote him.

[Xtoxm]

If we are both pretty sure of Xtoxm being scum, let's vote him. He is posting in all his other games, but avoiding this one. I don't really care which one of the two get lynched today out of Xtoxm and Has since I am pretty convinced on both of them.

I don't see not voting for Panzer as a sign of him being town. I see it more as a sign of scum knowing somebody is town and seeing he will get lynched anyway.

That's just a blatant lie. I haven't posted in half my games for a week. I'm posting in the ones that are interesting me most.

Vote Bio

As he's voting me this is the only option anyway.

[bionicchop2]

lol. like clockwork.

Please outline the reasons you have to be suspicious of me. You aren't forced to vote me, so not sure how you conclude this is your only option.

- You haven't expressed any suspicion of me up until this point
- Almost immediately after I vote for you, you vote for me. This shows you are reading the thread and discussion about you, but haven't responded to anything until now.

You expressed suspicion of reclusion and minor suspicion of Has. Now you just drop that suspicion and set up where they can quicklynch me if you were right before? I don't think a quicklynch can happen since you are already voting me, but according to what you have posted, those 2 would be your suspects.

Now you just recklessly toss your suspicions aside because I voted you. Nice.

[Xtoxm]

You're either scum, or you're town and scum win by lynching me. What I think doesn't matter.

[Lawrencelot]

I would like to note that I will start to read Day 3 now, and also something about Xtoxm. I often find his play scummy, but that's the case no matter his alignment (at least, that's my experience with him). I'm not suggesting not to lynch Xtoxm, as scummy players just need to get lynched, but I would only lynch him if there are no other scummy players that deserve to be lynched.

And now I'll go find out if Xtoxm's play is indeed scummy in this game as well

[hasdgfas]

Now, can anyone tell me why what qwints said is scummy, before I say why?

It could be seen as scummy if he wasn't obvious town. In order to convince me he is scum, you have to convince me he meta'd the mod and found a role he has used in his games before, but no other mods typically do.

I'm not really trying to say he's scum, because I haven't seen enough scummy things from him to think he's scum, but he did something really, really, really stupid that I had to call him out on at the very least.

Xtoxm's blatant OMGUS of bionic is probably the single scummiest thing I've seen him do all game. I need to reread him and then I will probably vote for him.

[Xtoxm]

That's just BS.

OMGUS is the ONLY thing anyone can do, and SHOULD do in lylo.

[hasdgfas]

That's just BS.

OMGUS is the ONLY thing anyone can do, and SHOULD do in lylo.

3 person lylo, yes, 5 person, not necessarily

[Lawrencelot]

Read up until page 20, would like to note that Xtoxm's play has been surprisingly protown considering my meta on him. I'm leaning towards hasdgfas-scum.

FOS: hasdgfas

as a note to myself

[bionicchop2]

unvote

while the only other 2 people who could possibly be scum are online. My vote will go back on xtoxm, but just as a precaution in that 1% doubt in my mind.