Mafia 83 - Game Ended Scum Win!

chazworthington · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:26 pm

hasdgfas wrote:
chazworthington wrote:In Yaw's list of players D1, he mentioned that Cow was unjustly targeted D1. That might be the closest thing we have to Yaw defending another player.
I find that scum more often defend townies than their partners. Have I actually done anything scummy to make you think I'm scum? Or are you just thinking that based on dead scum "defending me" and Panzer's terrible "info" on me?

I'm not basing it on Panser's posts on you. Mostly Yaw's posts as frankly that was the best stuff to go on at the time. There isn't much chatter going on. That said, I'm not voing for you at the moment, although I am considering what BC has to say.

chazworthington · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:30 pm

qwints wrote: Are you saying the sk is basically a vig for the purposes of today? It's not like the sk knows who is scum and who isn't, so the question appears to be if the chance of the sk hitting scum tonight is greater than the chance of them hitting town.

Pretty much. Lynching the SK today lets the mafia hide another day and then we've got one more day until LYLO. Fortumately, the SK is in the same situation. At the moment, our interests are aligned. That's why I'm not too thrilled about the discussion focusing around the SK during D3.

chazworthington · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:41 pm

Welcome, BC and thanks for the posts. At the moment, I only have a comment on the following blurb about reclusion:

bionicchop2 wrote: I had a scum gut on him too, but I can't find any evidence to support it based on posting, so I can't really get behind that one. I still can't pinpoint where the original feeling came from. Also, if he was on vacation for 4 weeks (announced properly) it would kind of suck to not get replaced as requested and then get lynched immediately upon return.

Yaw made mention in one of his posts that he'd hate to see reclusion get replaced. I don't have the time to search for it now. It's probably nothing, but I don't think it should be forgotten.

Unvote

Need to review the exchange between BC and Cow.

Reclusion · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:13 pm

Only have time for a quick post while I continue to try to catch up. Why exactly has Panzerjager only considered hasdgfas as an SK? Is there any reason why hasdgfas can't be mafia-scum who was in charge of submitting the kill on the night that Panzerjager claims to have roleblocked him?

Also,

mod

, can you perhaps push that deadline back a bit as a favor for me considering that you didn't find a temp replacement for me? Please and thank you.

PJ. · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:27 pm

Didn't I replace Reclsion?

qwints · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:34 pm

Nope, you replaced netman.

MafiaSSK · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:30 am

Deadline will be moved to Halloween again.

bionicchop2 · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:55 am

Reclusion wrote:Why exactly has Panzerjager only considered hasdgfas as an SK?

Maybe it is a flavor thing like what Xtoxm was talking about. Flagpole vs. gunshot. The non-mafia kill was by flagpole and there was no flagpole death.

bionicchop2 · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:32 am

I would like some more opinions on who people think is scum. The deadline is shifted, so let's take advantage.

Jebus · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:07 am

Panzer, I'd like the your response to make enough sense for the average person, so I don't have to interpret what you mean, please.

Let me get this straight, first of all. You are a roleblocker, right? You say Hascow is scum/SK because you blocked him N1 and there was one less kill? But wait a minute... you replaced Netman after the block was made (

and mod, would you have given a replacement the info of who the person they replace acted on (aside from a cop?)?

), then how would you know?

After that, anyway, who did you block N2?

bionicchop2 · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:16 am

Jebus - replacements get previous players night actions. I have replaced many different roles and always gotten their targets (doc, vig, etc.) along with the role PM.

MafiaSSK · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:33 am

I have not give a replacer what their predeseccor has done the previous nights. If any replacements would like to know if/what they have done the previous nights PM me.

bionicchop2 · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:35 am

MafiaSSK wrote:
I have not give a replacer what their predeseccor has done the previous nights. If any replacements would like to know if/what they have done the previous nights PM me.

wow - that kind of incriminates panzer. He was lying about Alvinz

unvote has;vote panzer

bionicchop2 · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:37 am

actually, let me not jump to any conclusions without hearing from panz,

unvote

. Can't really afford to be wrong on this one.

Xtoxm · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:50 am

Not to give him an out, but SSK said "has" replaced directly after he posted the scene. I think he could have sent an action himself.

hasdgfas · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:54 am

Xtoxm wrote:Not to give him an out, but SSK said "has" replaced directly after he posted the scene. I think he could have sent an action himself.

Thank you, Xtoxm, for answering before Panzer did and thus losing our only chance of actually catching him in any sort of lie.........

Xtoxm · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:57 am

Welcome.

I weighed it up, but I really couldn't see him saying "You got me" rather than simply saying he sent it himself. So just saying I don't see it as a point against him basically.

bionicchop2 · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:57 am

hasdgfas wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:Not to give him an out, but SSK said "has" replaced directly after he posted the scene. I think he could have sent an action himself.
Thank you, Xtoxm, for answering before Panzer did and thus losing our only chance of actually catching him in any sort of lie.........

If it makes you feel any better, 'has' is present tense, so does not imply they replaced any time prior to the post.

Xtoxm · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:59 am

When I read it sounded kinda past tense to me.

bionicchop2 · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:00 pm

Xtoxm wrote:Welcome.

I weighed it up, but I really couldn't see him saying "You got me" rather than simply saying he sent it himself. So just saying I don't see it as a point against him basically.

You do realize there are other possibilities, right? There are many other responses he could have made.

Xtoxm · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:04 pm

Not really. Well not as I said it as such necessarily but anything else would be pretty much tantamount to it, no?

bionicchop2 · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:07 pm

The point is we don't know. Now we might not. Fortunately, has is both past and almost present tense (even though it is has replaced). Has could mean immediately before the post was made. He still needs to answer.

qwints · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:55 pm

We still need to hear from Panzer.

chazworthington · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:37 am

Apologies for lack of posting. Got busy in the planning/executing of the girlfriend's birthday. Will be posting tonight.

Off the cuff, not pleased about Xtoxm defending panser like that. When's the last time we heard from him? Do we need a prod?

Reclusion · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:09 am

Still here. Apologies for not posting -- I probably should have just asked for a complete replacement four weeks ago instead of the temp stuff since I've still been crazy busy haha.

Anyway, I should hopefully give some brief kind of player-by-player feelings later today.

I, too, would like to hear from Panzerjager. If I read correctly, Panzerjager replaced Netman directly after we came out of Night 1, and in his claim he mentioned that he roleblocked alvinz95 during Night 1, but we just got mod confirmation that he hasn't been supplying role actions to the replacements and that they should be asked for right now.